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fintip
04-27-2007, 10:07 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/04/27/draft.five.things/index.html?eref=writers

He says Russell going to Oakland is a no brainer.

BrazForPhins
04-27-2007, 10:31 PM
Well, then I don't think it's a no brainer.. JJ drafted great defensive players, but on the offensive side of the ball he got us some nice busts

jlfin
04-27-2007, 10:36 PM
Well, then I don't think it's a no brainer.. JJ drafted great defensive players, but on the offensive side of the ball he got us some nice busts


Exactly. JJ set this offense back 10 yrs and we are still feeling it.
The Troy Aikman pick was a no brainer because he was the consensus number 1 and there were no other QB's (that I can recall) worthy of a top 5 pick.

thefog
04-27-2007, 11:07 PM
john avery, jj johnson, rob knorad, yatil green and larry"i believe he will be better than moss" shannon were no brainers too. but the biggest bust of all those guys was jimmy johnson as dolphins coach. how is it possible to lose a game 62-7???

Bill C
04-27-2007, 11:12 PM
Exactly. JJ set this offense back 10 yrs and we are still feeling it.
The Troy Aikman pick was a no brainer because he was the consensus number 1 and there were no other QB's (that I can recall) worthy of a top 5 pick.

Ummm, not quite. He tried to trade up to draft Edge and could get no partners. Yatil Green was supposed to be great but then kept popping his ACL, KAJ was the first 1000 yard back we had in how long?, he took a shot on a 1st rd talent but UDFA head case in Cecil, Moss was supposed to be gone by #5 - so he traded down to get more picks - who knew Moss would slide?

Oh yah, he also turned down two first round picks from Pitts burgh for Marino so as not to make the Phins faithful go on the war path for a great QB who was two years beyond done.

Plus you forget that when he got here, the knock on Miami was No Defense and No running game. Add to that the salary cap hell this team was in. You can thank your god Shula for all of that mess.

He fixed the defense in spades and got a decent running game and got us out of cap hell. I agree some of the offensive picks later on (Avery, Shannon) made you go WTF? But the man did a lot here - give credit where credit is due.

Namor
04-27-2007, 11:18 PM
Ummm, not quite. He tried to trade up to draft Edge and could get no partners. Yatil Green was supposed to be great but then kept popping his ACL, KAJ was the first 1000 yard back we had in how long?, he took a shot on a 1st rd talent but UDFA head case in Cecil, Moss was supposed to be gone by #5 - so he traded down to get more picks - who knew Moss would slide?

Oh yah, he also turned down two first round picks from Pitts burgh for Marino so as not to make the Phins faithful go on the war path for a great QB who was two years beyond done.

Plus you forget that when he got here, the knock on Miami was No Defense and No running game. Add to that the salary cap hell this team was in. You can thank your god Shula for all of that mess.

He fixed the defense in spades and got a decent running game and got us out of cap hell. I agree some of the offensive picks later on (Avery, Shannon) made you go WTF? But the man did a lot here - give credit where credit is due.

Then explain that genius pick of James Johnson.
Jimmy was worthless as a coach in Miami.

Skeet84
04-27-2007, 11:21 PM
I agree that JaMarcus Russell will be better, But the only way to find out is to whatch them in the NFL. Russell has much better intangebles than Brady Quinn

fintip
04-27-2007, 11:54 PM
Exactly. JJ set this offense back 10 yrs and we are still feeling it.
The Troy Aikman pick was a no brainer because he was the consensus number 1 and there were no other QB's (that I can recall) worthy of a top 5 pick.
I guess D Johnson, Harper and Smith were also no brainers.:shakeno:

Bill C
04-28-2007, 01:33 AM
Then explain that genius pick of James Johnson.
Jimmy was worthless as a coach in Miami.

I think you miss the point - which was the original poster saying JJ did nothing for this offense and set it back 10 years. I'm saying he did a lot for the team he certainly addressed two of theworst area - Defense and salary cap.

Your point on James Johnson proves mine - he tried to help the offense, but some of the picks didn't work out.

If Shula was so good, why didn't we win a Super Bowl since the early 70s and he had Marino in his prime? Answer that one.

fishypete
04-28-2007, 02:04 AM
"Because football's a simple game,'' Johnson said. "You don't have a quarterback, you don't have a chance. If you had a quarterback, there wouldn't be a decision to make. You'd just sit there and take Calvin Johnson. But that's not the position the Raiders are in. And from the looks of it, Russell's a better pick than Brady Quinn. It looks to me like Quinn's maxed out his ability, or close to it. Russell has a chance to be really, really good.''

Jimmy Johnson isn't perfect...then who is....but you have to give him he's due....he took over a losing team with a old QB...that wasn't the same player he was when he came into the NFL...Lets remember that most players...regardless of position would have left football after the injury that Marino had...but Marino played on...and thats something you won't hear or read in any paper. If there's anything Jimmy Johnson knows....Jimmy knows talent when he see it...the problem he had with the Dolphins is he didn't have the picks that the Cowboys had...yet he drafted Jason Taylor...Zack Thomas...with 3rd and 5th round picks...he dumped older players because he had to because of the cap....just like Cam's doing now.

I agree with Jimmy...and have said that the reason why I don't like Quinn as much as Russell...is that Quinn after two years with Weiss...could be maxed out...he has reached his top game...but Russell is just starting....no wonder why after staying and working with Peyton Manning his off season in 2006 at Peyton Mannings passing camp...Russell came back as a better QB...he stats prove that out in a big way. So is Jimmy right? Only time will tell...and I believe we as Football fans will be amazed at both their careers.

BlueFin
04-28-2007, 07:33 AM
"Because football's a simple game,'' Johnson said. "You don't have a quarterback, you don't have a chance. If you had a quarterback, there wouldn't be a decision to make. You'd just sit there and take Calvin Johnson. But that's not the position the Raiders are in. And from the looks of it, Russell's a better pick than Brady Quinn. It looks to me like Quinn's maxed out his ability, or close to it. Russell has a chance to be really, really good.''

Jimmy Johnson isn't perfect...then who is....but you have to give him he's due....he took over a losing team with a old QB...that wasn't the same player he was when he came into the NFL...Lets remember that most players...regardless of position would have left football after the injury that Marino had...but Marino played on...and thats something you won't hear or read in any paper. If there's anything Jimmy Johnson knows....Jimmy knows talent when he see it...the problem he had with the Dolphins is he didn't have the picks that the Cowboys had...yet he drafted Jason Taylor...Zack Thomas...with 3rd and 5th round picks...he dumped older players because he had to because of the cap....just like Cam's doing now.

I agree with Jimmy...and have said that the reason why I don't like Quinn as much as Russell...is that Quinn after two years with Weiss...could be maxed out...he has reached his top game...but Russell is just starting....no wonder why after staying and working with Peyton Manning his off season in 2006 at Peyton Mannings passing camp...Russell came back as a better QB...he stats prove that out in a big way. So is Jimmy right? Only time will tell...and I believe we as Football fans will be amazed at both their careers.

No, no one is perfect, and Jimmy is more than his share of not perfect.

His last couple of drafts (98' & 99')in Miami were the beginning (building blocks)of the downward spiral thats lead to a couple of awful seasons in 2004 & 2006.

And its funny listening to Jimmy Snake Oil talk about drafting quarterbacks when he neglected to spend any worthwhile picks on a QB in four drafts here.

fishypete
04-28-2007, 09:16 AM
No, no one is perfect, and Jimmy is more than his share of not perfect.

His last couple of drafts (98' & 99')in Miami were the beginning (building blocks)of the downward spiral thats lead to a couple of awful seasons in 2004 & 2006.

And its funny listening to Jimmy Snake Oil talk about drafting quarterbacks when he neglected to spend any worthwhile picks on a QB in four drafts here.

We had a QB....we needed a team...and again, thats not easy to do when you have cap problems and so many needs. You forget that Wayne was in love with Marino...Marino...couldn't do anything wrong in his eye's...and IF Jimmy did acquire another QB...I could hear the fans now...asking for his head.

Da 'Fins
04-28-2007, 09:44 AM
I too thought the salient quote was this:

"It looks to me like Quinn's maxed out his ability, or close to it. Russell has a chance to be really, really good."

That's the real question. Is Quinn better prepared to be an NFL QB who will improve - or did we see the best of Brady at ND? And, does Russell have huge upside b/c he's so raw?

I think the upside of Russell is there. The problem with Russell is whether he'll really be willing to become a great NFL QB. Does he have the discipline to be a film room junkie like Peyton? What kind of person is he? Will he have the class of a McNabb? Or, might he be a Michael Vick type guy once he gets the $$$? Can he learn to read defenses?

I think Russell, from what little I've seen, has the positive attributes necessary.

Quinn has his question-marks as well. But, he seems ready to prove people wrong - I see a bit of a chip on his shoulder - especially if he falls to Miami's slot. I think it actually helped Leinart to drop to AZ last year - kept him from being overconfident.