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JIVE
06-05-2007, 02:52 PM
There are quite a few blurbs on him in here and how well he has been doing so far in mini camp. I thought you guys might be interested.

http://officialnewenglandpatriots.wordpress.com/

It won't let me copey and paste the specific parts about him but their are a few entries with praise for him, even saying he looks the best of any player at camp.

Tetragrammaton
06-05-2007, 02:56 PM
I like Welker. I want him to have fourteen good games, but to be held without any catches for when NE plays us.

Majpain
06-05-2007, 03:13 PM
He is the type of player that works hard and it pays off. I just wished he didn't goto the Pats : /

finsmx
06-05-2007, 03:23 PM
Damn Pats :oldman:

Nice to hear that about Wes, I always liked the guy.

greatwade
06-05-2007, 03:26 PM
Tom Brady talked to the media on Tuesday and discussed one of his new weapons: Wes Welker. Brady came away as the early leader for quote of the year when he compared Welker to a Labrador retriever.
“Wes has killed us the last few years, with the Dolphins. It’s nice to have him in a Patriot uniform. He has great quickness. He’s very smart. He’s like a Labrador out there. You can throw the ball, he runs and fetches it, runs back, gets to the huddle and looks up and he’s panting with sweat coming down his face. He’s been great to have around. He works extremely hard. He sets a great example. The one thing is that we’ve brought in some veteran players who have some leadership ability and who are really willing to make sacrifices to win. It’s been nice over the years, so many of our guys have left for other teams via free agency, coaches have left, but it’s nice to be able to add some veteran players that are very professional at this point in your career – you show up to work, you know what is expected of you, you’re willing to put that work in, rather than a 22, 21-year-old rookie who you hope brings his playbook to the meeting at the right time. It’s a little bit different in that sense. It’s been fun in offseason workouts thus far. We have three weeks left and we have to finish up strong.”
We’ll be back on Wednesday with more updates from mini-camp.

Tom means he LOOKS GREAT. You know.

PhinzN703
06-05-2007, 03:33 PM
There are quite a few blurbs on him in here and how well he has been doing so far in mini camp. I thought you guys might be interested.

http://officialnewenglandpatriots.wordpress.com/

It won't let me copey and paste the specific parts about him but their are a few entries with praise for him, even saying he looks the best of any player at camp.

I wonder how many compliments you Pats fans gave Wes when he was a Dolphin compared to how many you'll give him now

BlueFin
06-05-2007, 03:50 PM
Welker is just good enough to get you beat, he teases but he really doesn't produce many touchdowns.

I liked him like everybody does, you like to pull for the underdog, but a second rounder and a seventh rounder for him was a steal.

I really think the Patsies got pretty desperate this off-season in their attempts to get back over the hill, and in the end it will hasten their fall.

Moss is a cancer.

Sofa_King_Drunk
06-05-2007, 03:53 PM
Wes was a real bright spot the last few years, but c'mon, a second and a seventh for a guy like that? The Rams got Marshall Faulk in his prime for a second and a fifth! Wes will play his guts out, but eventually that convict with the snowplow is gonna get the call to sweep his headless body off the field after he gets crushed on a punt return. Maybe it'll even be Abraham Wright ( the guy we took with your seventh rounder )who blasts him.


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JIVE
06-05-2007, 04:01 PM
I wonder how many compliments you Pats fans gave Wes when he was a Dolphin compared to how many you'll give him now

Most Pats fans I know have been slobering over Welker since his first year with the Dolphins. On my fave Patriots board everyone was always saying how they wished he was a Patriot, well before the trade happened.

shastz
06-05-2007, 04:01 PM
Welker is just good enough to get you beat, he teases but he really doesn't produce many touchdowns.

I liked him like everybody does, you like to pull for the underdog, but a second rounder and a seventh rounder for him was a steal.

I really think the Patsies got pretty desperate this off-season in their attempts to get back over the hill, and in the end it will hasten their fall.

Moss is a cancer.


You can say that all summer if it makes you feel better, the bottom line is nothing you say is going to change what happens when the season starts. Get ready for it, it's going to hurt. :boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:

Dirtywater
06-05-2007, 04:32 PM
I wonder how many compliments you Pats fans gave Wes when he was a Dolphin compared to how many you'll give him now

Well, considering the fact that he burned us virtually every game, a lot of us gave him compliments.... back-handed or straight-out. :wink:

Jt0323
06-05-2007, 04:52 PM
good for him!

Aqua4Ever04
06-05-2007, 05:51 PM
I bet the lions den that is our linebackers won't take to kindly to his parting words and make sure he gets a good deal of lumber laid to him. I'm rooting for Yerimiah Bell to come up and knock Welker's *** out.

The New Guy
06-06-2007, 01:35 AM
Well, considering the fact that he burned us virtually every game, a lot of us gave him compliments.... back-handed or straight-out. :wink:


You must be easily impressed if you think Wes burned the Pats virtually every game. He only had 157 yards and no tds in his 4 meeting against you guys. That is an average of under 40 yards a game.

He had 2 receptions for 61 yards in his first meeting. 2 receptions for 20 yards in his second meeting, 9 receptions for 77 yards in his third meeting, and 1 reception for -1 yard in his last meeting.

Those overall numbers are not bad, but not very impressive either. If you think Wes burned you guys, I can't imagine what you Pats fans say about Marvin Harrison. Since he had 8 receptions for 145 yards and 2 tds in just his last regular season game against the Pats. :D

Don't get me wrong, I like Wes and think that he is a great addition to your team. I just feel that you guys way overpaid and am happy that we made the trade.

Tpaddle
06-06-2007, 01:45 AM
i think we got the better end of the bargain personally...but welker is a solid player and will be a great returner for the pats

Dirtywater
06-06-2007, 02:12 AM
Don't get me wrong, I like Wes and think that he is a great addition to your team. I just feel that you guys way overpaid and am happy that we made the trade.

How can anyone judge this trade yet? What, you're happy over speculation? For all we know it could work out terrible for one side. Until then, saying you're happy about the trade is just talk to convince yourself you won the trade before we see the results.

I mean, I hope Wes works out for us, but he might not. Then again, he could thrive. I'll wait before I call who won this deal.

And yeah, I feel we over-payed a bit for him. Seems you guys did a similar move with Ginn at the 9 spot. I mean, the Houston argument is not even valid. Who looks to Houston as a draft standard? I mean, if they wanted him, isn't that a clue not to pick him?

I think he will be a good NFL player in the end, but he was a reach at 9. You'll overpay him for where you picked him, but in the end, does overpayment really matter? We'll see I guess. With the rate of busts in the NFL, if you know what you are getting for a role you need, then overpayment is all relative.

Muck
06-06-2007, 08:41 AM
You must be easily impressed if you think Wes burned the Pats virtually every game. He only had 157 yards and no tds in his 4 meeting against you guys. That is an average of under 40 yards a game.

He had 2 receptions for 61 yards in his first meeting. 2 receptions for 20 yards in his second meeting, 9 receptions for 77 yards in his third meeting, and 1 reception for -1 yard in his last meeting.

Those overall numbers are not bad, but not very impressive either. If you think Wes burned you guys, I can't imagine what you Pats fans say about Marvin Harrison. Since he had 8 receptions for 145 yards and 2 tds in just his last regular season game against the Pats. :D

Don't get me wrong, I like Wes and think that he is a great addition to your team. I just feel that you guys way overpaid and am happy that we made the trade.

Wanna know why he was held in check the last meeting? Because New England double-teamed him the entire game. And that was a result of the first meeting, where he did burn them.

Miami got a good deal for him, but New England will get its money's worth. I don't think we've seen everything Welker's got. But I think a lot of fans underrate what we've already seen.

Stitches
06-06-2007, 09:13 AM
Wanna know why he was held in check the last meeting? Because New England double-teamed him the entire game. And that was a result of the first meeting, where he did burn them.

Miami got a good deal for him, but New England will get its money's worth. I don't think we've seen everything Welker's got. But I think a lot of fans underrate what we've already seen.

I think a lot of fans overrate both him and Bell.

nyjunc
06-06-2007, 09:22 AM
There are quite a few blurbs on him in here and how well he has been doing so far in mini camp. I thought you guys might be interested.

http://officialnewenglandpatriots.wordpress.com/

It won't let me copey and paste the specific parts about him but their are a few entries with praise for him, even saying he looks the best of any player at camp.

It's MINI-CAMP, everyone looks good in mini-camp. Read the reviews out of NY and you'll hear how great Justin McCareins has been. A year ago we heard how great Daunte Culpepper looked. It's meaningless.

nyjunc
06-06-2007, 09:32 AM
Well, considering the fact that he burned us virtually every game, a lot of us gave him compliments.... back-handed or straight-out. :wink:

Where does this myth about Welker killing the Pats come from? h had ONE good game against you.

2005:

vs. NE: 2 recs, 61 yds, 0 TDs
at NE: 2 recs, 20 yds, 0 TDs

2006:

at NE: 9 recs, 77 yds(a whopping 8.6 per), 0 TDs
vs. NE: 1 rec, -1 yds

Lets total that up:

4 games, 14 recs, 157 yds, 0 TDs

per game average: 3.5 recs, 39 yds, 0 TDs



Wanna know why he was held in check the last meeting? Because New England double-teamed him the entire game. And that was a result of the first meeting, where he did burn them.

Miami got a good deal for him, but New England will get its money's worth. I don't think we've seen everything Welker's got. But I think a lot of fans underrate what we've already seen.

Why would NE double team Welker? were all those dump offs really killing NE from the 1st meeting in '06? 9 recs sounds like alot but but averaging 8.6 per w/ only 2 1st downs PLUS 2 passes intended for Welker were picked off and NE wold score Tds off those TOs. It doesn't mak any sense for NE to double WE- maybe that's why they won the 1st meeting and lost the 2nd?

PhinzN703
06-06-2007, 10:08 AM
Most Pats fans I know have been slobering over Welker since his first year with the Dolphins. On my fave Patriots board everyone was always saying how they wished he was a Patriot, well before the trade happened.

I'm not talking about your message board, I'm talking about the trolls here

PhinzN703
06-06-2007, 10:09 AM
Well, considering the fact that he burned us virtually every game, a lot of us gave him compliments.... back-handed or straight-out. :wink:

Yeah, as Junc pointed out, he didn't burn ****. Nice try though

PhinzN703
06-06-2007, 10:10 AM
Where does this myth about Welker killing the Pats come from? h had ONE good game against you.

2005:

vs. NE: 2 recs, 61 yds, 0 TDs
at NE: 2 recs, 20 yds, 0 TDs

2006:

at NE: 9 recs, 77 yds(a whopping 8.6 per), 0 TDs
vs. NE: 1 rec, -1 yds

Lets total that up:

4 games, 14 recs, 157 yds, 0 TDs

per game average: 3.5 recs, 39 yds, 0 TDs




Why would NE double team Welker? were all those dump offs really killing NE from the 1st meeting in '06? 9 recs sounds like alot but but averaging 8.6 per w/ only 2 1st downs PLUS 2 passes intended for Welker were picked off and NE wold score Tds off those TOs. It doesn't mak any sense for NE to double WE- maybe that's why they won the 1st meeting and lost the 2nd?

How can a guy burn a team without scoring a TD anyway?

satz
06-06-2007, 11:30 AM
Why do i have a feeling he is going to have better numbers than Tedd Ginn in 07 and 08.

SamTodd
06-06-2007, 02:48 PM
Why do i have a feeling he is going to have better numbers than Tedd Ginn in 07 and 08.

because randy moss will be taking plays off, stallworth will have a hammy injury and then there will be welker, getting every open 8-10 yard route with zero t.d.'s.

The New Guy
06-06-2007, 05:54 PM
How can anyone judge this trade yet? What, you're happy over speculation? For all we know it could work out terrible for one side. Until then, saying you're happy about the trade is just talk to convince yourself you won the trade before we see the results.


It does not matter how good or bad Welker ends up doing with the Pats to make this a good or bad trade for the Dolphins. Welker was nothing more than a 3rd WR and a special teams player for the Dolphins. A guy, that in my opinion, can be replaced. To get a 2nd and a 7th round draft pick for him was a good move for the Dolphins no matter how he performs in NE. Welker may end up being a pro bowl receiver for you guys, but he never showed that he could be anything close to that in Miami.

You guys picked up Randy Moss for a 4th round pick and Pats fans don't have any trouble judging that trade as a success.


Wanna know why he was held in check the last meeting? Because New England double-teamed him the entire game. And that was a result of the first meeting, where he did burn them.


He had a good game, but 9 rec for 77 yds is not great.

satz
06-06-2007, 08:00 PM
because randy moss will be taking plays off, stallworth will have a hammy injury and then there will be welker, getting every open 8-10 yard route with zero t.d.'s.
thanks for atleast saying ted ginn sucks.

Mike13
06-07-2007, 11:33 AM
I like Wes, I wish him luck.

He's got a lot of heart and good work ethic, if he had the athletic abilty to match that, he'd be a top 10 reciever.

nahmoss
06-07-2007, 12:59 PM
We only got the better half of that deal if Satale pans out.

Scott Pioli
06-08-2007, 01:29 PM
I bet the lions den that is our linebackers won't take to kindly to his parting words and make sure he gets a good deal of lumber laid to him. I'm rooting for Yerimiah Bell to come up and knock Welker's *** out.

Welker will be good in NE, but he'll be no Ted Ginn. :sidelol:

Colorado Dolfan
06-08-2007, 02:37 PM
Most Pats fans I know have been slobering over Welker since his first year with the Dolphins. On my fave Patriots board everyone was always saying how they wished he was a Patriot, well before the trade happened.

True... I remember watching a 'Phins-Pats game with my father (huge Pats fan) and he was constantly praising Welker for his play. He's truly relieved that he's with the Pats instead of us this year... :shakeno:

MR NFLFAN
06-09-2007, 05:38 PM
True... I remember watching a 'Phins-Pats game with my father (huge Pats fan) and he was constantly praising Welker for his play. He's truly relieved that he's with the Pats instead of us this year... :shakeno:


Your Father sounds like a smart man....you should have listened to him more often. :wink:

cnc66
06-09-2007, 05:45 PM
Wes is going to kick butt... Brady will find him all over the place. He will be used properly for the first time.

Smoke
06-10-2007, 11:15 AM
I hate the fact Welker is a Patriot. With the way the Pats find ways to utilize their players, I bet he'll make more of an impact than Moss or Stallworth will. Hopefully Satele turns into one hell of a center so I won't have to be bitter about the trade.

Muck
01-19-2008, 01:02 AM
112 recs | 1,175 yds | 8 TDs

Trivia: How many players caught more passes than Wes Welker this year?

TBW2RFM4TD
01-19-2008, 02:17 AM
112 recs | 1,175 yds | 8 TDs

Trivia: How many players caught more passes than Wes Welker this year?


I'll go with none.:hi5:

nyjunc
01-19-2008, 07:32 AM
112 recs | 1,175 yds | 8 TDs

Trivia: How many players caught more passes than Wes Welker this year?

That's great but he averaged just 10 yards per rec and benfiots greatly from Moss and the other weapons. he would not have caught 112 in Miami but he still would have averaged about 10 yards per rec. That is what he is, He gets alot of screens and is almost like a running back catching balls out of the backfield. D's do not worry about him for a second w/ the other weapons NE has. Wes is a GOOD player, he was not worth what NE gave up to get him and he would have cost you guys too much to keep him.

Muck
01-19-2008, 10:37 AM
That's great but he averaged just 10 yards per rec and benfiots greatly from Moss and the other weapons. he would not have caught 112 in Miami but he still would have averaged about 10 yards per rec. That is what he is, He gets alot of screens and is almost like a running back catching balls out of the backfield. D's do not worry about him for a second w/ the other weapons NE has. Wes is a GOOD player, he was not worth what NE gave up to get him and he would have cost you guys too much to keep him.

He's basically the TE in that offense. His ypc aren't going to be high anyway. And as the TE/slot WR, he's a mismatch for everyone assigned to him. He's a very good player who's great at what he does. If defenses don't want to worry about him, NE will take it all day long. They'll gladly march down the field 10.5 yards at a time.

I think NE made a great trade. If you can get that kind of production out of a second round pick, regardless of scheme, I doubt a GM in the league will argue with that.

Would Dolphin fans spend the 60th overall pick if it meant the return of Mr. 1st Down, O.J. McDuffie? Gladly.

Welker's numbers were basically identical to TJ Houshmanzadeh's, with a slightly higher ypc.

nyjunc
01-19-2008, 10:42 AM
He's basically the TE in that offense. His ypc aren't going to be high anyway. And as the TE/slot WR, he's a mismatch for everyone assigned to him. He's a very good player who's great at what he does. If defenses don't want to worry about him, NE will take it all day long. They'll gladly march down the field 10.5 yards at a time.

I think NE made a great trade. If you can get that kind of production out of a second round pick, regardless of scheme, I doubt a GM in the league will argue with that.

Would Dolphin fans spend the 60th overall pick if it meant the return of Mr. 1st Down, O.J. McDuffie? Gladly.

Welker's numbers were basically identical to TJ Houshmanzadeh's, with a slightly higher ypc.

Gaffney or anyone could have done what Welker did. It's easy to find Wes Welkers which is why you don't give him $10 mil guaranteed and give up a 2nd and 7th rd pick for him. Teams don't worry about him, they can't b/c of the other weapons. Any halfway decent player could put up Wes' #s in that offense.

Let's also not forget how Wes had a good % of his #s in garbage time when the Pats were running up the score. He's a GOOD player, still not worth what NE gave up for him. I just hope Moss is gone next year by some miracle(maybe Daniel Snyder will open up the checkbook?) then we'll see what Wes can do. he's a nice possession receiver, nothing special.

Muck
01-19-2008, 11:03 AM
Gaffney or anyone could have done what Welker did. It's easy to find Wes Welkers which is why you don't give him $10 mil guaranteed and give up a 2nd and 7th rd pick for him. Teams don't worry about him, they can't b/c of the other weapons. Any halfway decent player could put up Wes' #s in that offense.

They're certainly an offensive juggernaut.

But since Gaffney was already under contract, wouldn't the Patriots have known that they had a 'Welker' on the roster?

The reason Gaffney wasn't handed that job was because he caught 11 passes the year before (with New England) and wasn't expected to make the team. He'd been cut by Philly and sat on the street prior to. The fact is, Gaffney made big a huge improvement in training camp.

Welker, meanwhile, caught a lot of clutch passes for Miami the previous year, and 67 total. And there was that familiarity. Hey, it might be stoopid, but the Pats chose to double him rather than Chambers/Booker in 2006.


Let's also not forget how Wes had a good % of his #s in garbage time when the Pats were running up the score. He's a GOOD player, still not worth what NE gave up for him. I just hope Moss is gone next year by some miracle(maybe Daniel Snyder will open up the checkbook?) then we'll see what Wes can do. he's a nice possession receiver, nothing special.A good bunch of all of their stats came in garbage time. If you're going to discount his, you should discount Brady's, Moss', etc.

And while we're at it, we should discount every other QB/WR's stats that came while they were playing from way behind and throwing every down.

I've already seen what Welker can do without a Moss. Or a Brady. Or a great number of other things. I'm a Dolphins fan. :lol:

He'll still catch a bunch of passes, many in the clutch, and pick up first downs.

nyjunc
01-19-2008, 11:21 AM
Welker cuahgt alot of clutch p;asses for Miami in '06? You guys were out of the race by October, how many clutch situations was he in? and they got Welker before they got Moss, if they had gotten Moss first I doubt they waste the money on Welker and then gaffney couild have become what Welker was this year.

I don't believe that the Pats doubled him, that was alot of talk AFTER NE acquired him but Wes never did anything against NE- why would they double him instead of Chambers and/or Booker?

2005:

vs. NE: 2 recs, 61 yds, 0 TDs
at NE: 2 recs, 20 yds, 0 TDs

2006:

at NE: 9 recs, 77 yds(a whopping 8.6 per), 0 TDs
vs. NE: 1 rec, -1 yds

Lets total that up:

4 games, 14 recs, 157 yds, 0 TDs

per game average: 3.5 recs, 39 yds, 0 TDs

muscle979
01-19-2008, 12:44 PM
Welker cuahgt alot of clutch p;asses for Miami in '06? You guys were out of the race by October, how many clutch situations was he in? and they got Welker before they got Moss, if they had gotten Moss first I doubt they waste the money on Welker and then gaffney couild have become what Welker was this year.

I don't believe that the Pats doubled him, that was alot of talk AFTER NE acquired him but Wes never did anything against NE- why would they double him instead of Chambers and/or Booker?

2005:

vs. NE: 2 recs, 61 yds, 0 TDs
at NE: 2 recs, 20 yds, 0 TDs

2006:

at NE: 9 recs, 77 yds(a whopping 8.6 per), 0 TDs
vs. NE: 1 rec, -1 yds

Lets total that up:

4 games, 14 recs, 157 yds, 0 TDs

per game average: 3.5 recs, 39 yds, 0 TDs

He must have been too busy dreaming of being on the other sideline to produce in those games. I agree with you, Welker's numbers are blown up from being on a very good, pass happy team with Randy Moss. He doesn't produce numbers like that on any other team in the league.

BwanaZulia
01-19-2008, 05:05 PM
This has to be the biggest of the biggest Dolphin blunders in letting him go (second only to not taking Brady Quinn).

BZ

Section126
01-19-2008, 11:01 PM
This has to be the biggest of the biggest Dolphin blunders in letting him go (second only to not taking Brady Quinn).

BZ

It is clearly not a blunder ...but a bonanza.

He was a slot reciever and still is.

The Patriots signed him away. We recieved compensation. We used the compensation to pick Samson Satele who is a very good center and will be around long after Welker is gone.

So NO. it was a good move for the Dolphins.

Section126
01-19-2008, 11:03 PM
Welker cuahgt alot of clutch p;asses for Miami in '06? You guys were out of the race by October, how many clutch situations was he in? and they got Welker before they got Moss, if they had gotten Moss first I doubt they waste the money on Welker and then gaffney couild have become what Welker was this year.

I don't believe that the Pats doubled him, that was alot of talk AFTER NE acquired him but Wes never did anything against NE- why would they double him instead of Chambers and/or Booker?

2005:

vs. NE: 2 recs, 61 yds, 0 TDs
at NE: 2 recs, 20 yds, 0 TDs

2006:

at NE: 9 recs, 77 yds(a whopping 8.6 per), 0 TDs
vs. NE: 1 rec, -1 yds

Lets total that up:

4 games, 14 recs, 157 yds, 0 TDs

per game average: 3.5 recs, 39 yds, 0 TDs



Well said. There are at least 30 other guys that could do what Welker does: Catch the ball and fall down.

cnc66
01-19-2008, 11:05 PM
Well said. There are at least 30 other guys that could do what Welker does: Catch the ball and fall down.


quit hatin'.. guy gets great yaks in tough territory

Section126
01-19-2008, 11:08 PM
quit hatin'.. guy gets great yaks in tough territory

I AM hatin'. And loving it.

unluckyluciano
01-19-2008, 11:11 PM
This has to be the biggest of the biggest Dolphin blunders in letting him go (second only to not taking Brady Quinn).

BZ
And you can make that assessment why again?

Silverphin
01-20-2008, 01:11 AM
This has to be the biggest of the biggest Dolphin blunders in letting him go (second only to not taking Brady Quinn).

BZ

A. Look at nyjunc's post.

B. I just LOVE how people say not taking Quinn is a huge blunder mistake when Quinn has done crap to show he is better than Beck.

muscle979
01-20-2008, 01:32 AM
This has to be the biggest of the biggest Dolphin blunders in letting him go (second only to not taking Brady Quinn).

BZ

You can't be serious here. Say you're being sarcastic. Do you know what Miami would be if they would have kept Welker? 1-15 but without a center that will be playing for them for the next ten years.