PDA

View Full Version : Some more intolerance and lies.



Pagan
06-26-2007, 11:35 AM
Avoid Harry Potter. (http://www.avoidharrypotter.com/)


"Exposing Harry Potter and Witchcraft: The Menace Beneath the Magic" (Destiny Image, 2007) offers compelling evidence that the Harry Potter series is contributing to the explosive growth of real witchcraft (Wicca) among kids, teens and adults, and offers penetrating insights into the hidden dangers of casting spells, mixing potions, joining covens and practicing so-called "white magic."

:shakeno:

Stitches
06-26-2007, 11:58 AM
My ex-girfriend was Wiccan, and that didn't make her any different than anyone else.

I don't understand how Wicca is any worse than any other religion out there.

Maybe the article should talk about the dangers of blind faith, intolerance, and arrogance. :rolleyes:

finswin56
06-26-2007, 12:04 PM
:lol:
Pagan, where do you all get those cool broomsticks?

I'm not sure how exactly how much of the Christian community is obsessed with witchcraft, but it just astounds me.

Pagan
06-26-2007, 12:10 PM
:lol:
Pagan, where do you all get those cool broomsticks?
Oh if only....would make my commute MUCH easier! :lol:


I'm not sure how exactly how much of the Christian community is obsessed with witchcraft, but it just astounds me.
Right on up to the president, bro. When he was gearing up for his first presidential run in 1999, and Strom Thurmond was bitching and moaning about Wiccans practicing their faith on army bases, he said this in an interview with ABC News about the subject:


"I don't think that witchcraft is a religion. I wish the military would rethink this decision."

So much for "live and let live".

finswin56
06-26-2007, 12:31 PM
Oh if only....would make my commute MUCH easier! :lol:


Right on up to the president, bro. When he was gearing up for his first presidential run in 1999, and Strom Thurmond was bitching and moaning about Wiccans practicing their faith on army bases, he said this in an interview with ABC News about the subject:



So much for "live and let live".

Stupid is as stupid does.


I wish I was good with photoshop. I'm dying to make you a Mustand broomstick:wink:

Pagan
06-26-2007, 12:34 PM
Stupid is as stupid does.


I wish I was good with photoshop. I'm dying to make you a Mustand broomstick:wink:
I betcha InFlames could do it. :wink:

Noodle Arm
06-26-2007, 12:35 PM
You know, I wonder if people were saying this back when Lord of the Rings was published? "Gandalf is Tolkien's way of getting children into witchcraft/Satanism!"

Hell good ol' Dorothy must have wanted to be a Wiccan, what with her wanting to find "The Wizard" and all. It's a propaganda film!!

I just don't understand why dickwads like these think there has to be evil intentions behind EVERYTHING. Like J.K. Rowling is writing these novels while laughing maniacally and stirring a cauldron saying "All these kiddies will be one of us now he he heheeee!" Idiots :shakeno:

Pagan
06-26-2007, 12:48 PM
I LOVE this quote on the website:


Fair. Balanced. Credible. Eye-opening. Protect yourself and your loved ones from highly deceptive supernatural forces!
Oh yea...fair, balanced and credible alright. :rolleyes:

TrueDolFan
06-26-2007, 05:37 PM
I'm all for avoiding Harry Potter, but not because I'm a religious kook.

I firmly believe that everybody should avoid Harry Potter because it SUCKS!

DonShula84
06-26-2007, 05:54 PM
I didnt realize religious groups wasted time on this until I saw the documentary Jesus Camp. They really dont like Harry Potter lol.

And I agree w/ TruDolFan.

Quelonio
06-26-2007, 09:45 PM
I'm all for avoiding Harry Potter, but not because I'm a religious kook.

I firmly believe that everybody should avoid Harry Potter because it SUCKS!

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??????????


I love HP... I am devouring the 5th and 6th book again before no. 7 comes out....

Stitches
06-26-2007, 09:56 PM
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??????????


I love HP... I am devouring the 5th and 6th book again before no. 7 comes out....

You need fiber that badly? :tongue::wink:

Quelonio
06-26-2007, 09:58 PM
You need fiber that badly? :tongue::wink:

:lol:

guatemalanfan
06-26-2007, 10:42 PM
I'm all for avoiding Harry Potter, but not because I'm a religious kook.

I firmly believe that everybody should avoid Harry Potter because it SUCKS!


:yeahthat:

Aussiefinfan54
06-27-2007, 02:46 AM
oh well, i absolutely hate harry potter and cant stand those stupid books anyway.

Pagan
06-27-2007, 07:26 AM
Gotta remember to pick up a few nets to hand out to catch the point that's flying right over some people's heads.

This isn't about the books themselves, guys.

Pagan
06-28-2007, 06:00 PM
Read what this douche said in an interview. Read the utter hypocrisy in this. :shakeno: (my comments in red)


But while he is quick to discount the value of Harry Potter, Wohlberg is equally quick to note that he is not "an unfeeling, judgmental, rabid anti-Wiccan lunatic." "Exposing Harry Potter and Witchcraft" refers to Wiccans respectfully, he said, because he cherishes religious freedom for all.

"People have a right to read Harry Potter if they wish, or to be Wiccans if they choose," he told WND. "I also have a right to express my concerns. Based on the explosive popularity of real witchcraft among young people, such a warning is urgently needed." (okay, if he cherishes religious freedom, why is an "urgent warning" needed? I guess our evil Wiccan ways corrupt young minds huh? What a tool.)

After reading his book, Wohlberg hopes that readers will "respond with an open heart, take warning, and avoid both Harry Potter and real witchcraft in all of its forms." (whoa, there goes another lovely example of tolerance!)

"Dabbling in the occult is dangerous… but I want my readers to begin (if they don’t already) to communicate with Wiccans respectfully, viewing them not as blood-drinking evil monsters (which they aren't), but as real human beings who need additional enlightenment," he said. (again, another shining example of tolerance)
This pompous douche tries to say he respects Wiccans, then turns and says they need "enlightenment". In other words, I respect you, but I think you're full of ****.

He's dead wrong about one thing, calling Wicca the "occult". That sentence alone proves that he has NO clue what he's talking about, and is just yet another overzealous über-Christian trying to force his beliefs on everyone.

Gee, I wonder if he has a problem with the "Narnia" books? Or if he has a problem with people like himself or anyone else preaching the gospel to young kids?

But of course, he cherishes religious freedom. :rolleyes:

Scrap
06-28-2007, 09:55 PM
I love how some people won't watch Harry Potter because of the witchcraft.... but ask them what they thought of The Wizard of Oz.....

PhinPhan1227
07-02-2007, 11:39 AM
Well, obviously most christians have no problem with Rowlings books. Since the overwhelming majority of those buying and reading her books are Christians afterall. And of course, that goes for Tolkien, Lewis, Lieber, Moorcock, Butcher, Jordan, Turtledove, Goodkind, and all those other fantasy authors who have given us witches, sorcerers, wizards and warlocks. Extremists are the fringe. Every group has them, some more than others. Most liberals aren't atheist socialists, just as most conservatives aren't extremist christians. But the more attention we give them, the more their influence exceeds their actual numbers.

Pagan
07-02-2007, 12:34 PM
Phin, you don't have to come riding in like the knight in shining armor for Christianity on threads like this. I never said ALL you guys think like this. :wink:

PhinPhan1227
07-03-2007, 03:20 PM
Phin, you don't have to come riding in like the knight in shining armor for Christianity on threads like this. I never said ALL you guys think like this. :wink:

The incredible irony here is that many devout Christians wouldn't consider me a Christian because I don't hold with Christianity being the exclusive path to "heaven". I also don't see other religions being invalid. But since I consider myself at least a pseudo Christian, I find myself jumping into these discussions.

Pagan
07-03-2007, 03:48 PM
The incredible irony here is that many devout Christians wouldn't consider me a Christian because I don't hold with Christianity being the exclusive path to "heaven". I also don't see other religions being invalid. But since I consider myself at least a pseudo Christian, I find myself jumping into these discussions.
Which is one of the reasons I respect you Phin. :wink:

PhinPhan1227
07-03-2007, 03:57 PM
Which is one of the reasons I respect you Phin. :wink:


Well, I like to think that I jump just as quickly into any discussion in which another religion is being painted with too broad a brush. Of course, I'm nowhere near as inforemd about religions like Wicca and Budhism as I am about Christianity and Judaism, so that's something of a constraint.

Then again, maybe I'm just contrary by nature and like to argue. :D

Pagan
07-03-2007, 04:51 PM
Well, I like to think that I jump just as quickly into any discussion in which another religion is being painted with too broad a brush. Of course, I'm nowhere near as inforemd about religions like Wicca and Budhism as I am about Christianity and Judaism, so that's something of a constraint.

Then again, maybe I'm just contrary by nature and like to argue. :D
Ah but if only I actually was painting with a broad brush, Phin. I was pointing out one instance. :wink:

Unfortunately, Christians are the only ones who attack Witchcraft. Never read any articles of Jews or Buddhists saying things like this. Doesn't mean ALL Christians are like this, but it can be said that only Christians do this.

That's not a false statement.

PhinPhan1227
07-05-2007, 03:01 PM
Ah but if only I actually was painting with a broad brush, Phin. I was pointing out one instance. :wink:

Unfortunately, Christians are the only ones who attack Witchcraft. Never read any articles of Jews or Buddhists saying things like this. Doesn't mean ALL Christians are like this, but it can be said that only Christians do this.

That's not a false statement.


Well the last time I checked, Wicca exists almost solely in western/Christian nations. We can't say what folks in Tibet would say to Wicca because as far as I know it doesn't exist there.

Now, for the record, Muslims ACTIVELY attack witchcraft. And when I say actively, I mean they do it with rocks and guns, not just words. And we're not talking just Wicca, we are talking about people just accused of being witches because somebodies goat died.

Pagan
07-05-2007, 03:12 PM
Well the last time I checked, Wicca exists almost solely in western/Christian nations. We can't say what folks in Tibet would say to Wicca because as far as I know it doesn't exist there.
Good attempt at a kick save Phin, but the puck managed to dribble past your skate and into the net.

There's a lot of Jews here too, and I don't see them denouncing Wicca. You really need to stop with the "there's so many of us that it's okay this happens sometimes" argument. :wink:


Now, for the record, Muslims ACTIVELY attack witchcraft. And when I say actively, I mean they do it with rocks and guns, not just words. And we're not talking just Wicca, we are talking about people just accused of being witches because somebodies goat died.
To use your own logic, that's not in this country....so I shouldn't care about that. :wink:

PhinPhan1227
07-05-2007, 03:42 PM
Good attempt at a kick save Phin, but the puck managed to dribble past your skate and into the net.

There's a lot of Jews here too, and I don't see them denouncing Wicca. You really need to stop with the "there's so many of us that it's okay this happens sometimes" argument. :wink:


To use your own logic, that's not in this country....so I shouldn't care about that. :wink:


Lol...since when are the JEws into denouncing much of anything? When your history is one of suffering constant intolerance, you tend to take a very "live and let live" view of things.

As for the "not in this country" thing...um...when did I say that? And for the record, there are more Muslims in America every day.

Pagan
07-05-2007, 03:51 PM
Lol...since when are the JEws into denouncing much of anything? When your history is one of suffering constant intolerance, you tend to take a very "live and let live" view of things.
Too bad your people don't adopt that same view, eh? :wink:


As for the "not in this country" thing...um...when did I say that?
"Well the last time I checked, Wicca exists almost solely in western/Christian nations. We can't say what folks in Tibet would say to Wicca because as far as I know it doesn't exist there."

Right thar.


And for the record, there are more Muslims in America every day.
Well when they start killing people for their goats dying here I'll worry about it. :wink:

PhinPhan1227
07-05-2007, 04:08 PM
Too bad your people don't adopt that same view, eh? :wink:


"Well the last time I checked, Wicca exists almost solely in western/Christian nations. We can't say what folks in Tibet would say to Wicca because as far as I know it doesn't exist there."

Right thar.


Well when they start killing people for their goats dying here I'll worry about it. :wink:

Since I'm a Jew by Jewish reconning, by definition, they do.:tongue: That aside, the folks who are actually "my people" from a philosophical standpoint have the exact same view...because otherwise they wouldn't be my people.

And as for the "not in my country" thing, I never said we shouldn't care about what goes on in other countries, only that we can't know how those folks woul dreact under the same circumstances.

Oh, and considering things like the surge in rape cases in Europe by Muslim men and boys against non-Muslim women, all because they consider those women already "unclean", I'd be a bit more concerned if I were you. I wouldn't say it's an "if", more of a "when".

Pagan
07-05-2007, 04:21 PM
Oh, and considering things like the surge in rape cases in Europe by Muslim men and boys against non-Muslim women, all because they consider those women already "unclean", I'd be a bit more concerned if I were you. I wouldn't say it's an "if", more of a "when".
Oh I'm not worried. A Muslim man or boy makes one false step towards any female I care about, and they find out what the business end of a machete can do. :wink:

PhinPhan1227
07-05-2007, 04:35 PM
Oh I'm not worried. A Muslim man or boy makes one false step towards any female I care about, and they find out what the business end of a machete can do. :wink:

Yeah, I think that carry permits will keep that sort of thing down in America. But it's becoming a huge problem in Europe, and they are pretending it isn't.

Pagan
07-19-2007, 07:34 AM
Let's add some more, shall we?


School gets cool response from some in Rossville
By Carol Hicks
Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:29 AM CDT

ROSSVILLE – The Wicca School, which recently moved from Hoopeston to downtown Rossville, is not welcome by everyone in the Rossville community.

At Monday night's village board meeting, Dennis Barragree said the local news media made it sound as if all of Rossville was in favor of the school's move.
Advertisement

"I just wanted to set the record straight that not everyone is for that," said Barragree. "I'm not for it."

Barragree's wife, Carolyn, said there comes a time when you have to take a stand. She wanted people to make informed decisions about the school. She said the school didn't bring anything positive to Hoopeston.

"They aren't bringing anything positive to Rossville," she said.

Mayor Terry Prillaman reminded residents that the school is a business and it's not the function of the city council to accept or not accept someone moving into Rossville.

"A lot of people don't approve," Trustee Dick Queen agreed. "But the council is not in control of who moves in."

Prillaman said about half the city was for the Wicca School's move to Rossville. The positive side for Rossville, Prillaman said, is the city will receive taxes from some of the school's online and store sales. There is the added feature of it being a tourist attraction, he said, and it fills an empty building.

How nice...let's classify a religious learning building as a "tourist attraction". Wonder how that would fly if they said that about a Catholic school? I wonder how ANY of those statements would fly if said about one?

Only a matter of time before the torches and pitchforks come out. :shakeno:

WharfRat
07-19-2007, 09:55 AM
Where is Rossville?

Pagan
07-19-2007, 11:32 AM
Where is Rossville?
It's in Illinois, Wharf. Sad, innit?

Here's what happened in the town that forced them out before they could even open.


http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif
Pastor Tim Kovalcik of the East Lynn United Methodist Church led the prayer meeting on Monday outside of the potential Wicca school building, 200 E. Penn in Hoopeston. Rich Stipp led the group in a praise chorus. Steve Nelson of Hoopeston's First Baptist Church and Fred Siegle of Rossville United Methodist Church also spoke in prayer.


During the public comment portion of the city council meeting, East Lynn United Methodist Church Pastor Tim Kovalcik said the public would appreciate an opportunity to air out the issue in a public forum. Kovalcik led a prayer meeting at noon on Monday outside of the potential Wicca school building, with more than 100 residents attending. He said although the purchase of the building was a private matter, he felt an urgency for public discourse was obvious.


Hubbard said he had heard about the nearly 400-person petition, has received numerous e-mails and letters opposing the school, and he found out about Monday's prayer meeting after the fact.

"And frankly, I'm daunted and nervous," he said, "and a bit embarrassed because I've discovered Americans who have said no based on what we believe."

"What I'm hearing today is that because I'm a Wiccan, I am not welcome, regardless of the fact that I'm American," Hubbard said.
Link. (http://www.thehoopestonchronicle.com/articles/2003/07/02/news/news01.txt)

But please....someone from the God Squad tell me about those tolerant and loving Christians again, and that this is only a few. I never tire of hearing it!

:shakeno:

Stitches
07-19-2007, 11:51 AM
If I lived there, that would probably be one of the few times I'd actually take time to picket. I'd be picketing that group though, not the school.

PhinPhan1227
07-19-2007, 03:02 PM
It's in Illinois, Wharf. Sad, innit?

Here's what happened in the town that forced them out before they could even open.


http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif
Pastor Tim Kovalcik of the East Lynn United Methodist Church led the prayer meeting on Monday outside of the potential Wicca school building, 200 E. Penn in Hoopeston. Rich Stipp led the group in a praise chorus. Steve Nelson of Hoopeston's First Baptist Church and Fred Siegle of Rossville United Methodist Church also spoke in prayer.




Link. (http://www.thehoopestonchronicle.com/articles/2003/07/02/news/news01.txt)

But please....someone from the God Squad tell me about those tolerant and loving Christians again, and that this is only a few. I never tire of hearing it!

:shakeno:

It's based on ignorance Pagan. Fifty years ago those same people would have picketed a Synagogue. PEople fear what they don't understand.

I would once again remind you that I have met pagans who were just as intolerant of Christians as any christian is of pagans. It's human nature, not the religion itself.

Time will fix the problem.

Mike13
07-19-2007, 03:31 PM
Maybe the article should talk about the dangers of blind faith, intolerance, and arrogance. :rolleyes:

No because that actually makes sense, and some people don't understand that.

Pagan
07-19-2007, 04:18 PM
It's based on ignorance Pagan. Fifty years ago those same people would have picketed a Synagogue. PEople fear what they don't understand.

I would once again remind you that I have met pagans who were just as intolerant of Christians as any christian is of pagans. It's human nature, not the religion itself.

Time will fix the problem.
Phin, I respect your opinions, but please stop with the excuses.

The Jewish faith is even older than yours, and they don't picket any other religion or denounce it by saying it "brings nothing positive". And as far as Pagan intolerance, show me one instance of any Pagans picketing or protesting any Christian school or Church.

We don't get any respect because people refuse to give it. Even you, Phin...one of the good ones, disrespect us even if it isn't intentional. Don't think I haven't noticed how you capitalize the word Christian yet lower case the word Pagan. :wink:

And as for ignorance, this is the 21st Century not the 1600's. If half an entire town is that ignorant, it is only because they were taught to be that way. And when the leader of the congregation is the one leading the charge, then there is no hope. When Church officials are denouncing and protesting another faith, you cannot call that ignorance. It is pure disrespect.

And it's always Christians, no matter how many excuses are made.

Quelonio
07-19-2007, 04:22 PM
its a matter of control, the people in control fear the people that are not in control. Christians control our side of the world, and they are darn scared of anyone that is not a christian.

SkapePhin
07-19-2007, 09:38 PM
I agree that people should avoid Harry Potter.. The last movie was absolutely awful.. so boring.

adamprez2003
07-19-2007, 11:15 PM
I'm all for avoiding Harry Potter, but not because I'm a religious kook.

I firmly believe that everybody should avoid Harry Potter because it SUCKS!:lol::lol::lol: exactly

Pagan
07-19-2007, 11:19 PM
To each his own. :wink:

adamprez2003
07-19-2007, 11:21 PM
Ah but if only I actually was painting with a broad brush, Phin. I was pointing out one instance. :wink:

Unfortunately, Christians are the only ones who attack Witchcraft. Never read any articles of Jews or Buddhists saying things like this. Doesn't mean ALL Christians are like this, but it can be said that only Christians do this.

That's not a false statement.

If you're talking modern day then I think you're right that Jews havent attacked Witchcraft, but many present day Buddhists do on occasion go after witches, though I doubt they would be considered Wiccan. Historically every culture has gone after witches, though none as successfully as the Christians

PhinPhan1227
07-20-2007, 02:10 AM
Phin, I respect your opinions, but please stop with the excuses.

The Jewish faith is even older than yours, and they don't picket any other religion or denounce it by saying it "brings nothing positive". And as far as Pagan intolerance, show me one instance of any Pagans picketing or protesting any Christian school or Church.

We don't get any respect because people refuse to give it. Even you, Phin...one of the good ones, disrespect us even if it isn't intentional. Don't think I haven't noticed how you capitalize the word Christian yet lower case the word Pagan. :wink:

And as for ignorance, this is the 21st Century not the 1600's. If half an entire town is that ignorant, it is only because they were taught to be that way. And when the leader of the congregation is the one leading the charge, then there is no hope. When Church officials are denouncing and protesting another faith, you cannot call that ignorance. It is pure disrespect.

And it's always Christians, no matter how many excuses are made.


Look, I've never denied that ignorant people exist. And surprise surprise, most of them in America are Christians. What a shock given our demographic. But I've also always maintained that it is the people, not the religion. And I still maintain that fact.

I mean, come on. How many Christians even come close to the same VICINITY of what Christ taught? Love thine enemy? Turn the other cheek? If a man sues for your coat, give him also your cloak? Do you know ANYONE that lives up to even a hint of that?

Pagan, again, it kills me that I wind up defending christianity and it sounds like I'm defending christians. I'm not, I never have been, and I never will. The worst thing that ever happened to christianity was christians. They screwed the poor thing up pretty much from day one.

The thing of it is, it really is a beautiful religion as stated. It's such a beautiful relgion that no human being can ever really live up to it. At it's heart, it's as much about self realization as any budhist concept. At it's heart it is also deeply personal. Heck man, just reading the Sermon on the Mount makes me wish that I could be the person Jesus wants for five minutes in a day. It ain't gonna happen, but I fervently wish it could.

So, in a round about answer to this whole discussion, I have yet to meet an actual Christian, myself included. And if I ever did, that person would deserve the capital "C".

And I am not defending the morons who call themselves christians but who obviously don't have the brain power to actually understand what is in most of the book. What I am saying is that if they had been raised as Muslims, they would be moronic muslims. If they were raised Pagans(happy?:tongue:), they would be moronic Pagans. A significant portion of the people on this planet are idiots man. Most of the people in America call themselves christians, so most of the idiots in America are going to be people who call themselves christians. It's just simple numbers. If Paganism ever becomes a dominant religion, you will see a lot of idiotic Pagans, I promise you. It's an unfortunate fact that idiots tend to stand out.

Best thing to do, let them be idiots, then just sue them for harrassment. :D

Pagan
07-20-2007, 07:06 AM
Pagan, again, it kills me that I wind up defending christianity and it sounds like I'm defending christians. I'm not, I never have been, and I never will. The worst thing that ever happened to christianity was christians. They screwed the poor thing up pretty much from day one.
On that we can agree Phin. I never slam Christianity itself. It's message is basically the same as all faiths.


If Paganism ever becomes a dominant religion, you will see a lot of idiotic Pagans, I promise you. It's an unfortunate fact that idiots tend to stand out.
Honestly Phin, I doubt that. Our teachings and readings don't have the many, many passages like the Bible does that contain violence that can be twisted and misinterpreted by followers to compel them to do some of the sick **** that Christians do.

When the first thing you're taught is "do as you will, harm none", it's hard to be an idiot in the name of your religion.

You can, however, just be an idiot in general. :tongue:

WharfRat
07-20-2007, 09:28 AM
It's in Illinois, Wharf. Sad, innit?

Here's what happened in the town that forced them out before they could even open.


http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif
Pastor Tim Kovalcik of the East Lynn United Methodist Church led the prayer meeting on Monday outside of the potential Wicca school building, 200 E. Penn in Hoopeston. Rich Stipp led the group in a praise chorus. Steve Nelson of Hoopeston's First Baptist Church and Fred Siegle of Rossville United Methodist Church also spoke in prayer.






:shakeno:

Sad.... that is an understatement Bro....