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Medieval954
07-05-2007, 10:00 PM
Seems like Circuit City was the first to spill the beans...
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2007/07/4zda643-1.jpg

...and now GameDaily BIZ says is all but certain....

A PS3 price cut rumor spread like wildfire across the Internet this afternoon when several sites spotted a new advertisement from Circuit City. The ad as seen on Kotaku (http://kotaku.com/gaming/rumor/playstation-3-100-price-cut-hits-july-15-275391.php) lists the PS3 console at $499.99, $100 less than its current price.


It wasn't clear at first if this ad was a special deal specific to the electronics retailer or if it's indeed a retail-wide price cut instituted by Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA). As it turns out, a merchandising manager (who wished to remain anonymous) at one of the world's biggest retailers has confirmed to GameDaily BIZ that the price drop is indeed retail-wide and it's scheduled to take place on July 12, although the first wave of ads to promote the PS3's new price won't kick in until Sunday, July 15.
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16721

Technically still a rumor, but there you have it. $499 is still way too much, but I guess it's better than no price drop at all.

Brown42000
07-05-2007, 10:03 PM
Damn I was just about to post this but I think Sony should see sales go up.

Dolfan32323
07-05-2007, 10:06 PM
Hopefully it helps somewhat, but It is still 100 more than a Premium 360. might take a bite out of Elite sales though.

mor911
07-05-2007, 10:20 PM
ooohhh... Maybe ol' Bill will do a $100 price drop too. Imagine Core's for $200, premies for $300, and Elites for $400.

Phin-o-rama
07-05-2007, 10:35 PM
Anyone wanna buy a Wii in mint condition, with 2 full controlers, 2 gamepads for the old games....zelda, wii sports and red steel?

Brown42000
07-05-2007, 10:46 PM
Anyone wanna buy a Wii in mint condition, with 2 full controlers, 2 gamepads for the old games....zelda, wii sports and red steel?
Try ebay if you haven't already.

dolphan117
07-05-2007, 10:46 PM
ooohhh... Maybe ol' Bill will do a $100 price drop too. Imagine Core's for $200, premies for $300, and Elites for $400.This is what I'm hoping. :yes:

I could see them waiting to do it though until right before Halo 3.

Stitches
07-05-2007, 11:22 PM
Hopefully it helps somewhat, but It is still 100 more than a Premium 360. might take a bite out of Elite sales though.

But a 360 can't play Next Gen DVDs and a blu ray player for a $100 is a good deal. Man for $500(or a used price at least) I will want to get it when a few of the games come out that are exclusives.

mor911
07-05-2007, 11:23 PM
Anyone wanna buy a Wii in mint condition, with 2 full controlers, 2 gamepads for the old games....zelda, wii sports and red steel?seriously??

Majpain
07-05-2007, 11:28 PM
:lol: at the poor souls who bought their PS3 from Ebay and stood in line.

I'm sorry but I see no reason at all to go out and buy a Console right away. I mean its not like they have spectacular games out.

mor911
07-05-2007, 11:34 PM
:lol: at the poor souls who bought their PS3 from Ebay and stood in line.

I'm sorry but I see no reason at all to go out and buy a Console right away. I mean its not like they have spectacular games out.bestr price blu-ray player out there.... Actually a plenty good reason to get a PS3

GridIronKing34
07-05-2007, 11:41 PM
If the 360 drops in price, I'll be pissed, I just bought one like two weeks ago.

Stitches
07-05-2007, 11:48 PM
If the 360 drops in price, I'll be pissed, I just bought one like two weeks ago.

30 day price match, lol.

GridIronKing34
07-05-2007, 11:54 PM
30 day price match, lol.

I'll just return it with a receipt, complain that it isn't working. If I yell loud enough they'd give me the money back.

Deus Ex Dolphin
07-06-2007, 12:00 AM
This is what I'm hoping. :yes:

I could see them waiting to do it though until right before Halo 3.


No, I think MS is more than ready to match a $100 drop by Sony. That means a $200 Core system, which should be an easy sale for cheap parents the rest of this year.

The PS3 should see a sales spike, but $500 is still serious money, and until they get it to $300 or less, most casual gamers won't bite.

Still, great to see some price wars going on. :D Sony is eating any savings they got from PS3 parts getting cheaper, but they NEED to start moving consoles and convince developers to stay with them.

In any event, we gamers win.

muscle979
07-06-2007, 12:17 AM
No, I think MS is more than ready to match a $100 drop by Sony. That means a $200 Core system, which should be an easy sale for cheap parents the rest of this year.

The PS3 should see a sales spike, but $500 is still serious money, and until they get it to $300 or less, most casual gamers won't bite.

Still, great to see some price wars going on. :D Sony is eating any savings they got from PS3 parts getting cheaper, but they NEED to start moving consoles and convince developers to stay with them.

In any event, we gamers win.

I'm a casual gamer and I bought PS3 over 360. I'll tell you why in only two words: Blu Ray. The cheapest Blu-ray player that's not a PS3 is around 700 bucks, and it doesn't play video games.

Majpain
07-06-2007, 12:58 AM
bestr price blu-ray player out there.... Actually a plenty good reason to get a PS3

:lol: sorry I wouldn't want to pay 600 bucks just to watch movies.

Boston
07-06-2007, 01:35 AM
ps3 is losing money, or was at launch.

Phinz420
07-06-2007, 02:20 AM
Sony might finally have my attention.






Now if there were only some games out there to play!

Dol-Fan Dupree
07-06-2007, 02:41 AM
:lol: sorry I wouldn't want to pay 600 bucks just to watch movies.

have you them?

Right now 30% of households in America have a high def tv set. That number is going to increase because hi def is freaking awesome. I am sure that at least 30% of these people really want to take full advantage of their high def tv sets and get a hd dvd player or a blu ray. However right now they are around 300 and something for hd dvd and around 500 for blue ray. Right now for a lot of them including myself that is just a little bit more than I really want to pay for a dvd player, even if it makes Blue Planet the greatest movie set I can own.

However at 500 dollars I would get the blu ray and also get a next gen system. That does increase the chance of me wanting to get one. I will tell you this, if they dropped the price by $200, I would be breaking out the credit card tonight.

Majpain
07-06-2007, 04:29 AM
have you them?

Right now 30% of households in America have a high def tv set. That number is going to increase because hi def is freaking awesome. I am sure that at least 30% of these people really want to take full advantage of their high def tv sets and get a hd dvd player or a blu ray. However right now they are around 300 and something for hd dvd and around 500 for blue ray. Right now for a lot of them including myself that is just a little bit more than I really want to pay for a dvd player, even if it makes Blue Planet the greatest movie set I can own.

However at 500 dollars I would get the blu ray and also get a next gen system. That does increase the chance of me wanting to get one. I will tell you this, if they dropped the price by $200, I would be breaking out the credit card tonight.

I'm satisfied watching movies on on regular High Def. Besides I can wait for Blue ray its not a must own item.

Stitches
07-06-2007, 07:16 AM
I'm satisfied watching movies on on regular High Def. Besides I can wait for Blue ray its not a must own item.

That's the case for you, but not everyone.

Bruzer
07-06-2007, 07:32 AM
ps3 is losing money, or was at launch.

So is xbox 360 whats your point?

Stitches
07-06-2007, 08:10 AM
And on top of any price drop, between July 1st and Sept 30th you get 5 free Blu Ray discs with with the purchase of a PS3(so says a gamestop ad). So that's a next gen system, blu ray player, and 5 movies for $500+ tax. That's a pretty damn good deal IMO. If I had an HDtv, I'd be all over that deal.

Phin-o-rama
07-06-2007, 08:46 AM
seriously??

yeah seriously....i never play it.

I'd much rather got ~400 for it, and put it towards a ps3, or in the bank cuz of baby on the way (prolly a ps3 :tongue: )...baby needs to watch cartoons on bluray...


seriously though...

Deus Ex Dolphin
07-06-2007, 09:17 AM
I'm a casual gamer and I bought PS3 over 360. I'll tell you why in only two words: Blu Ray. The cheapest Blu-ray player that's not a PS3 is around 700 bucks, and it doesn't play video games.

You sir, are the exception. The average person doesn't even have an HDTV yet, let alone worry about HD movies.

That means, for those that want GAMES to play, that the PS3 is still a spendy item, and harder to justify the cost without the movie feature.

Hey, I LOVE this news from Sony, as MS should respond with a price drop too and a few more friends will be buying a nextgen system cheaper.

Just don't expect $500 to be low enough for most people. For myself, I would be very tempted to own a PS3 for $300 or less.

Stitches
07-06-2007, 09:28 AM
You sir, are the exception. The average person doesn't even have an HDTV yet, let alone worry about HD movies.

That means, for those that want GAMES to play, that the PS3 is still a spendy item, and harder to justify the cost without the movie feature.

Hey, I LOVE this news from Sony, as MS should respond with a price drop too and a few more friends will be buying a nextgen system cheaper.

Just don't expect $500 to be low enough for most people. For myself, I would be very tempted to own a PS3 for $300 or less.

$400 is definitely my breaking point, much like Dupree.

SpurzN703
07-06-2007, 09:55 AM
have you them?

Right now 30% of households in America have a high def tv set. That number is going to increase because hi def is freaking awesome. I am sure that at least 30% of these people really want to take full advantage of their high def tv sets and get a hd dvd player or a blu ray. However right now they are around 300 and something for hd dvd and around 500 for blue ray. Right now for a lot of them including myself that is just a little bit more than I really want to pay for a dvd player, even if it makes Blue Planet the greatest movie set I can own.

However at 500 dollars I would get the blu ray and also get a next gen system. That does increase the chance of me wanting to get one. I will tell you this, if they dropped the price by $200, I would be breaking out the credit card tonight.

I don't have anything high definition in my apartment. The cost is too much right now. I do have the 360 and would like to buy the PS3, but for us guys who don't have HD, Blu Ray really doesn't mean **** right now

DOLPHINS34
07-06-2007, 10:08 AM
Well there might not be a price drop just yet.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/07/06/news/international/bc.sony.reut/index.htm?postversion=2007070607http://

mor911
07-06-2007, 10:12 AM
I don't have anything high definition in my apartment. The cost is too much right now. I do have the 360 and would like to buy the PS3, but for us guys who don't have HD, Blu Ray really doesn't mean **** right nowNo offense, but at $600 per unit... I don't think you're Sony's target audience. They want people that have the money to blow away on nice things (i.e. HDTVs and Blu-ray players).

Agent51
07-06-2007, 10:14 AM
And on top of any price drop, between July 1st and Sept 30th you get 5 free Blu Ray discs with with the purchase of a PS3(so says a gamestop ad). So that's a next gen system, blu ray player, and 5 movies for $500+ tax. That's a pretty damn good deal IMO. If I had an HDtv, I'd be all over that deal.

Yeah man, I think this is what finally sold me on it. I had been planning all along to get a PS3 at launch and wait til after the 1st price drop to get a 360, since I have LOVED both Playstations and wasn't a fan of the original XBox at all. Then I played a 360 and realized not only was it pretty sweet but that godforsaken controller (the main reason I hated the XBox) was not only fixed but actually prety damn comfortable. I got a 360 around E3 last year, and have been happy with it since. Then PS3 comes and I plan on buying one but there is just NOTHING out for it (exclusively anyway) that made me HAVE to have it now. Money isn't the issue here, it's just the fact that I don't have a lot of time for gaming right now anyway, so why drop $600+ on something that doesn't even have anything I wanna play. Sure, Resistance looks cool, but it'll be there when I decide to buy a PS3, it doesn't look like a "must-have". As far as all the multi-platform games, I get em for 360 for the sole fact that those stupid achievement points are so friggin addicting :lol:

This deal is pretty sweet though, $100 AND 5 free Blu-Ray movies? that makes it kinda hard to keep putting it off, lol. I'll just grab it now for the free movies and use it as a Blu-Ray player til some exclusives come out I'm interested in.

SpurzN703
07-06-2007, 10:57 AM
No offense, but at $600 per unit... I don't think you're Sony's target audience. They want people that have the money to blow away on nice things (i.e. HDTVs and Blu-ray players).

I'm not offended by that man :wink:

I'm eventually getting an HDTV, just not right now. Money is too tight

mor911
07-06-2007, 10:58 AM
I didn't mean anything by it... I have an HDTV and still have a hard time accepting a $600 price tag.

Dol-Fan Dupree
07-06-2007, 11:00 AM
I don't have anything high definition in my apartment. The cost is too much right now. I do have the 360 and would like to buy the PS3, but for us guys who don't have HD, Blu Ray really doesn't mean **** right now

Pretty much what Mor said. I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the 30% of households right now, not the 70% that do not.

If they are anything like me, they are noticing that the dvds they are watching look worse than the hi def television. Having a player that is also a game system does help justify the huge cost.

At 400 dollars I am buying one. At 500 dollars I am seriously considering it. Plus with Madden coming out and if it is actually a good game, part of me feels I need a next gen system.

muscle979
07-06-2007, 11:58 AM
ps3 is losing money, or was at launch.

According to the June issue of gameinformer magazine, Sony has sold more PS3s than they had PS2s or PSones in the same amount of time after their launch. Those systems did OK. People had unrealistic expectations for PS3's launch and that's why the incorrect notion that it's failing is out there.

Stitches
07-06-2007, 12:24 PM
According to the June issue of gameinformer magazine, Sony has sold more PS3s than they had PS2s or PSones in the same amount of time after their launch. Those systems did OK. People had unrealistic expectations for PS3's launch and that's why the incorrect notion that it's failing is out there.

:yes:

Megatron
07-06-2007, 01:30 PM
The XBOX360 is cheaper myth quashed. Prices in Canadian dollars:

Lets try to make an XBOX360 that's technically on par with the PS3. OK.

XBOX360 Elite 549.99
HD-DVD player 199.99
Wireless bridge 129.99

Total: Around 880 bucks.

PS3 659.99
Has longer range remotes, can upconvert PS2 content to 1080p as well as up convert regular DVD titles. It gives true 1080p output. The elite doesn't do this and the best resolution out of the Hd-DVD player is 1080i. So you give more money to Microsoft in the end and still don't get a machine as good as the PS3.

FinsNCanes
07-06-2007, 01:33 PM
I'd buy it for 500 over an 360. From what I've seen the ps3 is coming out with some really good games, and to be honest I haven't been that impressed with the 360.

PC for teh win I guess.

Agent51
07-06-2007, 01:38 PM
The XBOX360 is cheaper myth quashed. Prices in Canadian dollars:

Lets try to make an XBOX360 that's technically on par with the PS3. OK.

XBOX360 Elite 549.99
HD-DVD player 199.99
Wireless bridge 129.99

Total: Around 880 bucks.

PS3 659.99
Has longer range remotes, can upconvert PS2 content to 1080p as well as up convert regular DVD titles. It gives true 1080p output. The elite doesn't do this and the best resolution out of the Hd-DVD player is 1080i. So you give more money to Microsoft in the end and still don't get a machine as good as the PS3.

Not to help along the fact that this thread is fast turning into another "PS3 vs 360" thread, but this is exactly what i was saying before/around PS3's launch, the 360 is a more expensive system in the long run, when you buy all the stuff you need to make it equal to the PS3. Like $100s more expensive.

That being said, both are great machines, and this price drop for the PS3 combined with the 5 free Blu-Ray DVDs offer just sold me on getting a PS3 npw instead ofwaiting any longer.

Megatron
07-06-2007, 01:51 PM
Not to help along the fact that this thread is fast turning into another "PS3 vs 360" thread, but this is exactly what i was saying before/around PS3's launch, the 360 is a more expensive system in the long run, when you buy all the stuff you need to make it equal to the PS3. Like $100s more expensive.

That being said, both are great machines, and this price drop for the PS3 combined with the 5 free Blu-Ray DVDs offer just sold me on getting a PS3 npw instead ofwaiting any longer. Good for you, welcome to the club.:wink:

mor911
07-06-2007, 01:53 PM
I think one of Microsoft's biggest selling point with the 360 is the fact that you don't have to have features you don't need/want. Agreed, the 360 (after assembling all of the doodads piece by piece is expensive. But for the guy that doesn't use wireless and doesn't want HD-DVDs he can spend $300 and be fine.

Don't get me wrong, the PS3 is a good price for $600 being that it's a Blu-ray player. But $600 is $600. I haven't gotten one yet only because something important always comes up when I have the cash in my 'PS3 fund'.

Brown42000
07-06-2007, 01:56 PM
Well there might not be a price drop just yet.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/07/06/news/international/bc.sony.reut/index.htm?postversion=2007070607http://
Of course they will be denying it because they want to make it a surprise at E3 when they announce and just last night they weren't commenting now they are denying it. I still believe there will be a price drop.

Megatron
07-06-2007, 01:56 PM
I haven't gotten one yet only because something important always comes up when I have the cash in my 'PS3 fund'. Like hookers?

mor911
07-06-2007, 01:59 PM
Of course they will be denying it because they want to make it a surprise at E3 when they announce and just last night they weren't commenting now they are denying it. I still believe there will be a price drop.
They kinda have to deny it... If not, they'll sell ZERO PS3's until then.

Brown42000
07-06-2007, 02:04 PM
They kinda have to deny it... If not, they'll sell ZERO PS3's until then.
Yeah that too.

theghost
07-06-2007, 02:07 PM
They kinda have to deny it... If not, they'll sell ZERO PS3's until then.


Plus there has been a rumored price drop sence about a month after it was launched :lol:

Dol-Fan Dupree
07-06-2007, 02:11 PM
Plus there has been a rumored price drop sence about a month after it was launched :lol:

most of those were wishful thinking

Still I wonder if Microsoft is going to do a price drop with their losing 1 billion dollars due to fixing the broken xboxes

SpurzN703
07-06-2007, 02:15 PM
I didn't mean anything by it... I have an HDTV and still have a hard time accepting a $600 price tag.

I know man. No problem at all :wink:

Phin-o-rama
07-06-2007, 02:16 PM
The XBOX360 is cheaper myth quashed. Prices in Canadian dollars:

Lets try to make an XBOX360 that's technically on par with the PS3. OK.

XBOX360 Elite 549.99
HD-DVD player 199.99
Wireless bridge 129.99

Total: Around 880 bucks.

PS3 659.99
Has longer range remotes, can upconvert PS2 content to 1080p as well as up convert regular DVD titles. It gives true 1080p output. The elite doesn't do this and the best resolution out of the Hd-DVD player is 1080i. So you give more money to Microsoft in the end and still don't get a machine as good as the PS3.


/sigh....why do you post false information? i have disputed the resolution garbage you spew in every thread you do it in.

The Confessor
07-06-2007, 02:17 PM
most of those were wishful thinking

Still I wonder if Microsoft is going to do a price drop with their losing 1 billion dollars due to fixing the broken xboxes

Actually, on the flip-side. I would think that Sony would stay right where they are price wise with the news of this coming out.

Only two competitors out there, and now one is down with a broken leg....:cooldude:

SpurzN703
07-06-2007, 02:18 PM
Pretty much what Mor said. I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the 30% of households right now, not the 70% that do not.

If they are anything like me, they are noticing that the dvds they are watching look worse than the hi def television. Having a player that is also a game system does help justify the huge cost.

At 400 dollars I am buying one. At 500 dollars I am seriously considering it. Plus with Madden coming out and if it is actually a good game, part of me feels I need a next gen system.

No I know who you were talking about man. A lot of folks are getting HDTVs these days. I will eventually as well.

I personally don't watch much DVDs so for now having a Blu Ray player isn't a big deal. I also have the core edition of the 360 b/c I'm not as into it as you guys are (with the marketplace live and online stuff etc..).

I guess I'm just not as savvy as a lot of folks. No problem though :wink:

Dol-Fan Dupree
07-06-2007, 02:19 PM
Actually, on the flip-side. I would think that Sony would stay right where they are price wise with the news of this coming out.

Only two competitors out there, and now one is down with a broken leg....:cooldude:

Sony still needs to sell units to get developers willing to put in the extra time and cost to develop games for their console.

The Confessor
07-06-2007, 02:19 PM
No I know who you were talking about man. A lot of folks are getting HDTVs these days. I will eventually as well.

I personally don't watch much DVDs so for now having a Blu Ray player isn't a big deal. I also have the core edition of the 360 b/c I'm not as into it as you guys are (with the marketplace live and online stuff etc..).

I guess I'm just not as savvy as a lot of folks. No problem though :wink:


It's all good bro. I dont have Blu-ray or HDTV either. I seem to get along just fine, and dont have any problems remaining entertained through-out the day.:wink:

The Confessor
07-06-2007, 02:21 PM
Sony still needs to sell units to get developers willing to put in the extra time and cost to develop games for their console.


Agreed, but there is going to be a market regardless. I think the news of the excessively defective X-boxes is going to dramatically hurt their share of the market...

Dol-Fan Dupree
07-06-2007, 02:21 PM
It's all good bro. I dont have Blu-ray or HDTV either. I seem to get along just fine, and dont have any problems remaining entertained through-out the day.:wink:

you can get along just fine without a tv. Read a book!

:)

The Confessor
07-06-2007, 02:24 PM
you can get along just fine without a tv. Read a book!

:)

My point exactly.:wink:. I bet the news on my 15 year old TV is just as informative as any of the newer models.
Sure I am in the market for a nice TV, and when my dinosour goes out I will pony up the bucks and buy one. Just dont need to be on the cutting edge all the time is all..amazing how much of the cutting edge just goes away and isnt important in a matter of months...:cooldude:

Dol-Fan Dupree
07-06-2007, 02:26 PM
My point exactly.:wink:. I bet the news on my 15 year old TV is just as informative as any of the newer models.
Sure I am in the market for a nice TV, and when my dinosour goes out I will pony up the bucks and buy one. Just dont need to be on the cutting edge all the time is all..amazing how much of the cutting edge just goes away and isnt important in a matter of months...:cooldude:

I love big tvs. That is why I bought mine. I like the like I like the boobs on my women. BIG!!!! The bigger the better.

Stitches
07-06-2007, 03:15 PM
They kinda have to deny it... If not, they'll sell ZERO PS3's until then.

30 day price match FTW! :lol:

Majpain
07-06-2007, 03:16 PM
The only thing the PS3 has the 360 doesn't is better lighting and better textures.

The Confessor
07-06-2007, 03:22 PM
The only thing the PS3 has the 360 doesn't is better lighting and better textures.


.....and a better than 1 in 3 chance of being a reject:evil:

Stitches
07-06-2007, 03:23 PM
The only thing the PS3 has the 360 doesn't is better lighting and better textures.

*clears throat*

Bluetooth my friend.

Blu-ray capabilities.

And that sleek and sexy look.

mor911
07-06-2007, 03:41 PM
*clears throat*

Bluetooth my friend.

Blu-ray capabilities.

And that sleek and sexy look.I prefer radio controllers to bluetooth. Bluetooth haedsets it a gread idea imo... Use you cell phone's headset for your PS3. Blu-ray is also a win.

I don't think the 360 or the PS3 look sexy. Infact, i think the PS3 is downright ugly with the 360 being alright looking.

Medieval954
07-06-2007, 03:58 PM
Holy crap, this thread got huge fast!

I'll hit on some quick points...
- I think this will only cause a small spike in sales for Sony. $499 is still way too much for mainstream America.
- The fact Sony is giving away 5 free Blu-Ray movies instead of bundling in a game tells me that they view the PS3 as a Blu-Ray player first.
- Microsoft can still sit pretty at $399 for the Premium 360 since Halo 3 and GTA IV are coming up and it's still $100 less than a PS3. Though I'd love to be proven wrong at E3 and have them announce a price drop.
- This will have zero effect on Nintendo taking over #1 in worldwide sales by the end of 2007.

Hey Mor, make an official E3 thread like last year. It starts in 4 days.

Phin-o-rama
07-06-2007, 04:08 PM
360's GPU is superior to the ps3's, and in no way does the ps3 produce better "lighting" than the 360.

Phin-o-rama
07-06-2007, 04:09 PM
Holy crap, this thread got huge fast!

I'll hit on some quick points...
- I think this will only cause a small spike in sales for Sony. $499 is still way too much for mainstream America.
- The fact Sony is giving away 5 free Blu-Ray movies instead of bundling in a game tells me that they view the PS3 as a Blu-Ray player first.
- Microsoft can still sit pretty at $399 for the Premium 360 since Halo 3 and GTA IV are coming up and it's still $100 less than a PS3. Though I'd love to be proven wrong at E3 and have them announce a price drop.
- This will have zero effect on Nintendo taking over #1 in worldwide sales by the end of 2007.

Hey Mor, make an official E3 thread like last year. It starts in 4 days.




sony isn't gonna price drop...apparently only circuit city is running that special to get rid of an abundance of stock.

Stitches
07-06-2007, 04:23 PM
Holy crap, this thread got huge fast!

I'll hit on some quick points...
- I think this will only cause a small spike in sales for Sony. $499 is still way too much for mainstream America.
- The fact Sony is giving away 5 free Blu-Ray movies instead of bundling in a game tells me that they view the PS3 as a Blu-Ray player first.
- Microsoft can still sit pretty at $399 for the Premium 360 since Halo 3 and GTA IV are coming up and it's still $100 less than a PS3. Though I'd love to be proven wrong at E3 and have them announce a price drop.
- This will have zero effect on Nintendo taking over #1 in worldwide sales by the end of 2007.

Hey Mor, make an official E3 thread like last year. It starts in 4 days.

Nintendo may be #1 by end of 2007, but I still think they will be 3rd pony in the 2 horse race by the end of this generation.

TheMageGandalf
07-06-2007, 04:33 PM
That's the case for you, but not everyone.


Yeah, thats true but this isnt like from VHS to DVD.

I have about 500 DVD movies and I will NOT be buying them...again.

My DVD player upscales up to 1080i and thats fine for me.

If in the future prices drop and whatnot then I might get into that stuff but as it stands right now, no thanks.

Unless they invent some virtual reality thing where you can like be IN the movie and like get punched in the face by Schwarzenegger or fly around in an X-Wing. But as long as I still feel like I am sitting on my couch forget that.

Phin-o-rama
07-06-2007, 04:38 PM
there are 3 reasons why HD-DVD still has a chance:

1- porn on hd-dvd more than blu ray
2- hd-dvd has been cracked
3- dual format discs are awesome (dvd on one side, hd-dvd on the other)

Medieval954
07-06-2007, 04:47 PM
sony isn't gonna price drop...apparently only circuit city is running that special to get rid of an abundance of stock.

If you notice on the Circuit City ad, it says "advertised prices effective: 7/15/07-7/21/07". Sony's press conference is July 12th. July 15th is the first Sunday sales paper after it. Also, someone posted a Best Buy ad from Canada which drops the price from $699 CAD to $549 CAD for the same week.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2007/07/ps3_bb_drop-1.jpg

It's happening. Feel free to call me out on it though on Wednesday if it doesn't.


Nintendo may be #1 by end of 2007, but I still think they will be 3rd pony in the 2 horse race by the end of this generation.

:lol:

No chance.

Phin-o-rama
07-06-2007, 05:03 PM
i hope it does drop...i really do.


i think it would be smart on their part.

Phinz420
07-06-2007, 05:11 PM
- The fact Sony is giving away 5 free Blu-Ray movies instead of bundling in a game tells me that they view the PS3 as a Blu-Ray player first.


Not at all. There has been a bundling deal with Toshiba HD-DVD players for quite some time now.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/deals/dealzmodo-buy-an-hd-dvd-player-get-5-movies-free-253718.php

Why would Sony want to bundle games and lose more money on software(that isn't very old yet) when they can simply counter-offer what Toshiba has been doing for a few months. By Sony offering the movie bundle, it makes the decision of BlueRay over HD-DVD easier for some people that were looking to get into High Definition movies yet are intrigued by next gen consoles at the same time.

Medieval954
07-06-2007, 05:23 PM
Not at all. There has been a bundling deal with Toshiba HD-DVD players for quite some time now.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/deals/dealzmodo-buy-an-hd-dvd-player-get-5-movies-free-253718.php

Why would Sony want to bundle games and lose more money on software(that isn't very old yet) when they can simply counter-offer what Toshiba has been doing for a few months. By Sony offering the movie bundle, it makes the decision of BlueRay over HD-DVD easier for some people that were looking to get into High Definition movies yet are intrigued by next gen consoles at the same time.

Like I said, Sony views the PS3 as a Blu-Ray player first. Not exactly earth shattering news either, everyone knows the PS3 is a trojan horse for their Blu-Ray format.

Bundling in an old 1st party game wouldn't be a hit to them. They could throw in a game, like Resistence: Fall of Man or Motorstorm, just as easily as 5 movies. However, winning next-gen movie format is far more lucrative than winning next-gen console war.

Phinz420
07-06-2007, 05:51 PM
Like I said, Sony views the PS3 as a Blu-Ray player first. Not exactly earth shattering news either, everyone knows the PS3 is a trojan horse for their Blu-Ray format.

Bundling in an old 1st party game wouldn't be a hit to them. They could throw in a game, like Resistence: Fall of Man or Motorstorm, just as easily as 5 movies. However, winning next-gen movie format is far more lucrative than winning next-gen console war.

I don't agree at all. Just because they are reaching out to the movie buffs with this kind of package does not mean they see it as a movie platform foremost. As I said, Toshiba has been doing this same offer for a few months and in no way by matching their deal does it mean they consider the PS3 a "movie machine."

Why would Sony allow Toshiba to have a monopoly on that kind of offer so that people looking for the best deal on high def movies/players would pretty much automatically pick HD-DVD?

Once again, Sony's system hasn't been around that long and most of the money that Sony makes isn't from hardware sales anyways- it is from software. With the current state of the PS3 sales it would be retarded to start giving away huge game bundles(there are already small bundles that exist- E.G. Resistance).

An example of this kind of marketing would be like Dairy Queen having a sale on their cheeseburgers. It will probably draw in plenty of people that enjoy cheeseburgers, but it doesn't mean at all that they see themselves as a Cheeseburger joint foremost.

Medieval954
07-06-2007, 06:29 PM
We're gonna have to agree to disagree. :)

I'll just say there is a reason the PS3 was made with a Blu-Ray drive.

Dol-Fan Dupree
07-06-2007, 06:40 PM
We're gonna have to agree to disagree. :)

I'll just say there is a reason the PS3 was made with a Blu-Ray drive.

The guy had a good analogy. There is also a reason Dairy Queen has hamburgers.

The PS3 is definatly a trojan horse for the Blu-Ray, however it doesn't mean that it is a blu-ray player first.

Medieval954
07-06-2007, 06:54 PM
The guy had a good analogy. There is also a reason Dairy Queen has hamburgers.

The PS3 is definatly a trojan horse for the Blu-Ray, however it doesn't mean that it is a blu-ray player first.

Fair enough, but I still disagree. :D

I think I derailed my own topic. :lol:

Dol-Fan Dupree
07-06-2007, 06:58 PM
Fair enough, but I still disagree. :D

I think I derailed my own topic. :lol:

I don't see how. Might as well say the moon is made of cheese.

They make blu-ray players.

Plus why would they use the very expensive cell processor? If anything the PS3 is a cell processor unit first and a game system second.

Medieval954
07-06-2007, 08:14 PM
I don't see how. Might as well say the moon is made of cheese.

They make blu-ray players.

Plus why would they use the very expensive cell processor? If anything the PS3 is a cell processor unit first and a game system second.

I guess I'm gonna have to explain myself.

Look, I think Sony wanted people to perceive, "Hey, look at our PS3. It plays video games but you can play Blu-Ray movies too on it. Isn't that great?". I think Sony internally thought, "Hey, look at this Blu-Ray player. But we can also make it a PS3 and have it play games on it too. Isn't that great?"

Why? Because Sony has a long history of trying to come up with proprietary formats i.e. Betamax, Mini-Disc, Memory Stick, UMD, etc. so they can attempt to control a market. I think Sony thought they could use the "Playstation" brand name to assure success of their new HD format. You really think the Blu-Ray format could've survived this long on its own merit without piggybacking the "Playstation" name?

Also, you had the former "Father of the Playstation" Ken Kutaragi saying things like this leading up to the launch of the PS3...
"The PlayStation [3] is not a game machine. We've never once called it a game machine"
"We haven't been creating our [past] PlayStations for the sake of games...The PS3 isn't designed to lean towards games."

So yes, I believe the PS3 was built as a Blu-Ray player in PS3 clothing. You don't have to agree with me, but based on what I've seen, it's what I think.

Dol-Fan Dupree
07-06-2007, 08:31 PM
You don't have to agree with me, however I still find your premise very faulty.

It totally disregards the development of the cell which costs billions of dollars. PS3 was developed as a TOTAL entertainment machine. It also has an online component that if they do pull it off is going to be massive.

I think Sony thought, "Hey, what can we do to assure ourselves that every house in the world will want a ps3?" The Blu-Ray player is just one component in that idea.

I guess I believe the PS3 is a PS3 in PS3 clothing. It is meant to be everything you want in an entertainment PC and more with the cell chip, which in theory could run your coffee maker, break maker, and even the heat in your home if you have it connected to wi fi.

Also none of the quotes say that it is simply a blu ray dvd player that happens to play games.

muscle979
07-06-2007, 11:51 PM
there are 3 reasons why HD-DVD still has a chance:

1- porn on hd-dvd more than blu ray
2- hd-dvd has been cracked
3- dual format discs are awesome (dvd on one side, hd-dvd on the other)

A very small chance. Porn put VHS over the top but the big difference here is the internet. It's so easy to get porn on the web that less people care about getting it on DVD even, much less bluray or HD-dvd.

muscle979
07-06-2007, 11:55 PM
You don't have to agree with me, however I still find your premise very faulty.

It totally disregards the development of the cell which costs billions of dollars. PS3 was developed as a TOTAL entertainment machine. It also has an online component that if they do pull it off is going to be massive.

I think Sony thought, "Hey, what can we do to assure ourselves that every house in the world will want a ps3?" The Blu-Ray player is just one component in that idea.

I guess I believe the PS3 is a PS3 in PS3 clothing. It is meant to be everything you want in an entertainment PC and more with the cell chip, which in theory could run your coffee maker, break maker, and even the heat in your home if you have it connected to wi fi.

Also none of the quotes say that it is simply a blu ray dvd player that happens to play games.

Exactly, prior to PS3 the cell technology had only been used in military applications. It's cutting edge technology. You don't fork out the money to develop something like that for something that's main function is to play movies.

Phinz420
07-07-2007, 12:45 AM
A very small chance. Porn put VHS over the top but the big difference here is the internet. It's so easy to get porn on the web that less people care about getting it on DVD even, much less bluray or HD-dvd.

Personally, the thought of being able to see every pimple & mole on porn stars doesn't sound very appealing to me. :lol:

Medieval954
07-07-2007, 01:03 AM
Well, I may disagree but I respect the differing opinions and I see what you guys are getting at. :) Bottom line is (and back on topic), Sony needs to move PS3's and this price drop, while minimal, can only help. It'll be interesting to see if Microsoft and/or Nintendo respond in any way.

DonShula84
07-07-2007, 02:50 AM
If MS matches the price drop I'd have to consider getting one. I think I'd rather have a PS3 but I cant really afford either. Knock 100 off that Xbox and it becomes possible.

Dol-Fan Dupree
07-07-2007, 03:36 AM
I agree with that. Not having a price drop would really hurt Sony in my opinion

Deus Ex Dolphin
07-07-2007, 09:19 AM
Too many little clues that say Sony is, in fact, dropping the PS3 price. The fact is they need to. The shelves are well stocked, but sales are low, and developers and merchants will be upset if Sony does nothing to spur better sales.

muscle979
07-07-2007, 11:01 AM
Too many little clues that say Sony is, in fact, dropping the PS3 price. The fact is they need to. The shelves are well stocked, but sales are low, and developers and merchants will be upset if Sony does nothing to spur better sales.

I'm not saying a price drop won't help, of course it will but here's an exerpt from an article in Gameinformer magazine's june issue from an article titled, "Has the PS3 already lost":

But did the PS3 really limp out of th egate that badly? Putting its initial sales up against its direct competitor, the Xbox 360, the numbers tell a different tale. According to NPD Group data, the PS3 sold approximately 902,000 consoles during its first three months in the United States. The Xbox 360 sold 50,000 fewer consoles during its first three months on the market in the U.S., coming in at roughly 854,000. comparing the PS3 with its highly successful predecessors, it outsold both the PSOne and PS2 during the same time frame. So why the doom and gloom surrounding Sony?
"The media are plain stupid," says Michael Pachter, analyst with Wedbush Morgan Securities. "People are being overly critical on how well it's doing mostly because their expectation for what the sales should have been were too high."


It's interesting that the guy in this article goes on to predict a price cut as well as blu-ray becoming the standard HD format, which he says will eventually lead to PS3 overtaking Xbox but only by a little. The article ends by saying that all of the systems will do well in the long run. The idea though that nobody has bought or is buying a PS3 is just not true. Even at 600 dollars it's sold pretty well, with a price drop it could really take off. I guess I should have held out longer :(.

dolphan117
07-07-2007, 05:12 PM
I would actually like it if the PS3 ends up doing well. Not because I would buy one or like Sony, but because it would help keep Microsoft honest and drive down the 360 price. I want Microsoft to have another maker that competes in the High Def/Powerful processor compartments.

Phin-o-rama
07-07-2007, 08:59 PM
A very small chance. Porn put VHS over the top but the big difference here is the internet. It's so easy to get porn on the web that less people care about getting it on DVD even, much less bluray or HD-dvd.

OMG! I never thought of that! :)

regardless, it is one of the things that could help hd-dvd....i dont care which wins, just want it to end.

JuanchoColombia
07-08-2007, 02:14 AM
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/


UPDATE: GameDaily says they have confirmed the price drop will be retail-wide starting 7/12, after speaking with a "merchandising manager (who wished to remain anonymous) at one of the world's biggest retailers".
UPDATE #2: As expected, Target's 7/15 Sunday Ad also lists the PS3 for $500. In addition, PS3 Fanboy reports some Target locations have jumped the gun on the impending PS3 price drop.


http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/07/06/ps3-sold-at-target-for-499-99/


One of our readers has let us know that he was able to get his hands on a 60GB PS3 for no more than $499.99 at a Target today. In our attempts to verify this we called the store he bought it from. They confirmed that the 60GB PS3 was, indeed, in the shop's system at the price of $499.99. Whether this is an error on the individual shop's part, with the price drop being put into effect early, we weren't sure.

We are currently in the process of calling more stores nationwide, to see how isolated this event really is. We will update this post as and when we get more information. If true, then this is an excellent start for what promises to be an excellent E3. Already Microsoft's keynote is overshadowed by Killzone 2. A pricedrop by Sony before the event even starts only adds to the pressure.

[UPDATE 1] A Kansas Target has the 60GB PS3 in its computer at $599

[UPDATE 2] Another tipster has told us that today they sold two at Circuit City at $499. Confused, the manager called it in and got a confirmation that it was correct. We are in the process of verifying this.

[UPDATE 3] A Target store in Rancho Cucamonga in California has confirmed that the 60GB PS3 is in their system for $499. It looks like there's no pattern to which stores are and aren't offering the price cut.



:kick:

FinsNCanes
07-08-2007, 11:10 AM
A very small chance. Porn put VHS over the top but the big difference here is the internet. It's so easy to get porn on the web that less people care about getting it on DVD even, much less bluray or HD-dvd.

Not to mention there is a hell of alot more/bigger production companies backing Bluray than HD.

People keep saying "OMGZ PORN HDDVD!". My question is..who the hell buys porn anymore?

Phin-o-rama
07-08-2007, 11:47 AM
Not to mention there is a hell of alot more/bigger production companies backing Bluray than HD.

People keep saying "OMGZ PORN HDDVD!". My question is..who the hell buys porn anymore?


if you read my post, i said "these reasons are why hd-dvd still has a chance"

no where did i go OMFGIGGLE PRON!!!

muscle979
07-08-2007, 07:27 PM
Not to mention there is a hell of alot more/bigger production companies backing Bluray than HD.

People keep saying "OMGZ PORN HDDVD!". My question is..who the hell buys porn anymore?

I think blu-ray has five companies and hd-dvd has one. They have universal and that's it I believe. Bluray just picked up Disney too which is pretty significant.

FinsNCanes
07-08-2007, 08:09 PM
if you read my post, i said "these reasons are why hd-dvd still has a chance"

no where did i go OMFGIGGLE PRON!!!

Nobody ever said you did go OMGOAMPORN. I was just adding something to someone elses post. I also remember hearing "HD will win cause of porn" arguement months ago.

dolphan117
07-08-2007, 09:33 PM
I saw numbers the other day (don't remember where) that there were currently more Blue Ray players in peoples homes (most were PS3's) and that the public had invested 19 million in HD DVD's to 35 million for Blue Ray.

The one thing I wondered about from the start is how much impact the names of the 2 would have. Blue Ray just sounds cool while HD DVD just sounds like a recycled DVD.... Doesn't matter to me but when it come to consumer buying you never know.

Stitches
07-08-2007, 09:35 PM
I saw numbers the other day (don't remember where) that there were currently more Blue Ray players in peoples homes (most were PS3's) and that the public had invested 19 million in HD DVD's to 35 million for Blue Ray.

The one thing I wondered about from the start is how much impact the names of the 2 would have. Blue Ray just sounds cool while HD DVD just sounds like a recycled DVD.... Doesn't matter to me but when it come to consumer buying you never know.

I'm certain that actually plays some impact into certain people's decisions.

muscle979
07-08-2007, 11:43 PM
I saw numbers the other day (don't remember where) that there were currently more Blue Ray players in peoples homes (most were PS3's) and that the public had invested 19 million in HD DVD's to 35 million for Blue Ray.

The one thing I wondered about from the start is how much impact the names of the 2 would have. Blue Ray just sounds cool while HD DVD just sounds like a recycled DVD.... Doesn't matter to me but when it come to consumer buying you never know.

I think it's more than the name though. PS3 is probably a big reason why blu ray is winning. Blu ray discs hold more stuff too. Blu ray has four or five production companies giving them exclusive rights as well compared to Hd DVD only having Universal.

muscle979
07-08-2007, 11:44 PM
I'm certain that actually plays some impact into certain people's decisions.

I can't disagree that that was a good marketing move. It does sound a lot cooler than HD DVD. There are better reasons to buy blu ray, but that could have affected some people's decisions.

mor911
07-09-2007, 07:45 AM
Confirmed.... Sort of.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/09/sony-confirms-80gb-playstation-3-and-price-drop-for-60gb-model/

Sony is loosing the 20GB model and the old 60GB model will now be $499, and the new 80GB model will be $599.

So the SKUs changed, now the prices. I think they missed the idea. But hey, they're trying.

It should also be noted that the 80GB model will come with Motorstorm.

Stitches
07-09-2007, 08:20 AM
So I was just on Best Buy.com, and I was looking at the price of Blu-Ray players. The cheapest one was a Sony brand at $499, so I don't know why people interested in Blu Ray just wouldn't opt to get a PS3 at $499. I mean, at least that has the capability of doing more than play next-gen movies.

dolphan117
07-09-2007, 08:43 AM
Am I the only one that thinks $100 is a lot to pay for an extra 20 gigs of hd space and Mortorstorm? I mean at least with the 360 the elite gives you an extra 100 gigs for the $80 right?

Stitches
07-09-2007, 08:55 AM
Am I the only one that thinks $100 is a lot to pay for an extra 20 gigs of hd space and Mortorstorm? I mean at least with the 360 the elite gives you an extra 100 gigs for the $80 right?

It gives you an extra 100 gigs for $80, plus HDMi.

However, a 20gig HD by itself cost $100, while the 120gig costs $180.

Phin-o-rama
07-09-2007, 09:00 AM
which is stupid, because s0ny shows you exactly how to swap out the HDD in the ps3, and that is one of the majorly cool things about it.....

my ps3 will have a 300gig hd or some ****....dumb

BAMAPHIN 22
07-09-2007, 10:48 AM
Sony has cut the price of the PlayStation 3 by $100, or 17 percent, in the United States, a move that should boost the video game console's lackluster sales.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/07/09/sony.price.reut/index.html

Deus Ex Dolphin
07-09-2007, 10:50 AM
Confirmed.... Sort of.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/09/sony-confirms-80gb-playstation-3-and-price-drop-for-60gb-model/

Sony is loosing the 20GB model and the old 60GB model will now be $499, and the new 80GB model will be $599.

So the SKUs changed, now the prices. I think they missed the idea. But hey, they're trying.

It should also be noted that the 80GB model will come with Motorstorm.

Why do I get the feeling that Sony will clear out the 60 GB models, then make the 80 GB the new standard, probably at $499? Without the copy of Motorstorm included, of course.

SpurzN703
07-09-2007, 12:23 PM
Sony has cut the price of the PlayStation 3 by $100, or 17 percent, in the United States, a move that should boost the video game console's lackluster sales.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/07/09/sony.price.reut/index.html

I just might get this. I dunno :wink:

Amars
07-09-2007, 07:43 PM
here the link from yahoo. Sorry if posted.
http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/070709/sony_playstation.html?.v=2

unifiedtheory
07-10-2007, 01:07 AM
One more price drop and I'm buying one. I can be patient though, if I have to wait another year or so I'm fine with that.

Stitches
07-10-2007, 01:17 AM
One more price drop and I'm buying one. I can be patient though, if I have to wait another year or so I'm fine with that.

Same for me I thikn.

TexanPhinatic
07-10-2007, 03:09 AM
TBH for me its not so much the consoles that kill me, especially with price drops. Its the games. I mean, $60 for a new copy of an anticipated game like GoW for 360 or R:FoM on PS3, or Madden'08.

Hell, buy yourself 8 good games when they release and thats your consoles price right there. The console being expensive is harsh, but then to drop $50-$60 for the good games ontop of that is just wrong.

Stitches
07-10-2007, 07:12 AM
TBH for me its not so much the consoles that kill me, especially with price drops. Its the games. I mean, $60 for a new copy of an anticipated game like GoW for 360 or R:FoM on PS3, or Madden'08.

Hell, buy yourself 8 good games when they release and thats your consoles price right there. The console being expensive is harsh, but then to drop $50-$60 for the good games ontop of that is just wrong.

For a ps2, it was only 6 games to reach console price, since games were $50 and the system was $300. So, this certainly isn't unusual.

I'd prefer if games right now were only $40-50, but there isn't much I can do about it(besides wait), since most consumers are buying at that price too.

Motion
07-10-2007, 08:18 AM
Gamefly ftw

Stitches
07-10-2007, 08:44 AM
Gamefly ftw

How's that work?

I only pay like full price on at most half my games, but I was just wondering how gamefly works.

Phin-o-rama
07-10-2007, 08:54 AM
I will have a ps3 within 1 month.

Motion
07-10-2007, 09:01 AM
How's that work?

I only pay like full price on at most half my games, but I was just wondering how gamefly works.

You play a monthly fee for games by mail.

i.e.

I pay $20 a month for 2 games at a time. I keep them as long as I want and send them back as often as I want. You can easily play 15+ games in a single month, all for $20. If you really like a game, you keep it, pay a discount price and they mail you the case and booklet.

Stitches
07-10-2007, 09:42 AM
You play a monthly fee for games by mail.

i.e.

I pay $20 a month for 2 games at a time. I keep them as long as I want and send them back as often as I want. You can easily play 15+ games in a single month, all for $20. If you really like a game, you keep it, pay a discount price and they mail you the case and booklet.

What's a discount price though?

And I don't know if I could do that, because what I play usually depends on the mood I'm in(so I couldn't wait 2 days to get a game, because my mood would change then).

(And I knew it was a monthly fee through the mail service, I was just looking for prices when I aske how it worked. :wink:)

Motion
07-10-2007, 09:47 AM
What's a discount price though?

And I don't know if I could do that, because what I play usually depends on the mood I'm in(so I couldn't wait 2 days to get a game, because my mood would change then).

(And I knew it was a monthly fee through the mail service, I was just looking for prices when I aske how it worked. :wink:)

Depends on how new the game is. I've seen anywhere from $10 - $35.

StormSurge
07-10-2007, 09:48 AM
I just bought Call of Duty 3 from Gamefly for $19.

You earn discounts & money towards purchases the longer you stay a member.

Motion
07-10-2007, 09:50 AM
I just bought Call of Duty 3 from Gamefly for $19.

You earn discounts & money towards purchases the longer you stay a member.

:yeahthat: That too.

SpurzN703
07-10-2007, 09:51 AM
You play a monthly fee for games by mail.

i.e.

I pay $20 a month for 2 games at a time. I keep them as long as I want and send them back as often as I want. You can easily play 15+ games in a single month, all for $20. If you really like a game, you keep it, pay a discount price and they mail you the case and booklet.

The one thing I never understood about GF was that since you could keep it as long as you like, who's to say you couldn't keep it for 15 years but not buy it?

Why buy if you can keep it as long as you like?

Motion
07-10-2007, 10:00 AM
The one thing I never understood about GF was that since you could keep it as long as you like, who's to say you couldn't keep it for 15 years but not buy it?

Why buy if you can keep it as long as you like?

Well then you would be paying $20 a month to play that same game forever. That wouldn't be very smart. Thats what they want you to do. You get more for your money if you keep the games moving.