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BAMAPHIN 22
07-29-2007, 02:31 PM
A 23-year-old man was arrested Friday on hate-crime charges after he threw a Quran in a toilet at Pace University on two separate occasions, police said.

http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2007/07/28/man-arrested-for-throwing-koran-in-the-toilet/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kxmc.com%2FNews%2FNation%2F147794.asp&frame=true

Antoni
07-29-2007, 03:14 PM
Muslims regularly disrespect the views of other religions so I'll be the first to offer them some cheese with that whine. Was this in bad taste? Probably. Hate crime?? No way.

ckb2001
07-29-2007, 03:21 PM
You gotta be kidding!! This happened in the US! The only question I have is whether the Koran was his or not. If it was his, he can do what the hell he wants with it, including throwing it in a toilet.

Man, if they prosecute this guy, you can say burning ANY book (read Harry Potter) is a hate crime. Geez, let's start prosecuting people for throwing away books that teach evolution next.

Nice find Bama.. I hope this guy goes free. Anyone know what the law is on such matters?

adamprez2003
07-29-2007, 03:58 PM
maybe they just take their plumbing seriously at Pace

Miamian
07-29-2007, 04:01 PM
It's not clear from the editorial whether or not it was his Quran. If he took school property and threw in the toilet, then that is vandalism and in the context of vandalism being a crime, it is a hate crime. If it's his Quran, then all bet's are off.

Whatever the case, rest assured that al Jazeera and the rest of the Arab press will be watching closely and there will be bomb threats and the like.

Mike13
07-29-2007, 04:30 PM
Hate Crime? No, was it insulting? Yes .

Alex44
07-29-2007, 04:52 PM
I wiped with disturbing sexist pages from the bible once. Send me to jail?

Eshlemon
07-31-2007, 12:56 AM
I wiped with disturbing sexist pages from the bible once. Send me to jail?

No, to a proctoloagist. That's gotta chaffe.

ih8brady
08-01-2007, 05:36 PM
What a disgusting thought crime if he is charged with anything more than vandalism (if he was destroying school property). The local justice department should be ashamed with themselves morally and professionally. This appeasement, sympathy and cowardice towards religious fundamentalism has been seen before: Rushdie, Danish cartoons. Will it now be the new rule in the U.S.? Does the Justice Department not know what the First Amendment is?

Miamian
08-02-2007, 02:25 AM
What a disgusting thought crime if he is charged with anything more than vandalism (if he was destroying school property). The local justice department should be ashamed with themselves morally and professionally. This appeasement, sympathy and cowardice towards religious fundamentalism has been seen before: Rushdie, Danish cartoons. Will it now be the new rule in the U.S.? Does the Justice Department not know what the First Amendment is?
I really don't feel comfortable arguing against my FinBrothers who are always on Israel's side. That support is so meaningful and appreciated in a world that's against us, but I really disagree on this point.

Breaking a window is vandalism but not a hate crime since the act is not directed against a group. Assuming for the moment that this was school property then it is a hate crime because the act appears directed against a particular group. The only way it wasn't is if he just happened to randomly pick some article of school property and it was the Quran, but that's unlikely.

Don't get me wrong anyone, there are passages in the Quran that find hateful and I agree that they provide the basis for conflict, serving the interests of fundamentalists. But, where the law is clear, exceptions can't be made.

Dolphan7
01-15-2008, 02:23 PM
I really don't feel comfortable arguing against my FinBrothers who are always on Israel's side. That support is so meaningful and appreciated in a world that's against us, but I really disagree on this point.

Breaking a window is vandalism but not a hate crime since the act is not directed against a group. Assuming for the moment that this was school property then it is a hate crime because the act appears directed against a particular group. The only way it wasn't is if he just happened to randomly pick some article of school property and it was the Quran, but that's unlikely.

Don't get me wrong anyone, there are passages in the Quran that find hateful and I agree that they provide the basis for conflict, serving the interests of fundamentalists. But, where the law is clear, exceptions can't be made.
Yet if the same man throws a bible in the cammode, it's not a hate crime, it's freedom of speech.

Can't have it both ways.

unluckyluciano
01-15-2008, 02:35 PM
Can we really say that if it was a bible no one would have been arrested? Is there a story for comparison?

Dolphan7
01-15-2008, 03:37 PM
Can we really say that if it was a bible no one would have been arrested? Is there a story for comparison?He may have been arrested, but not as a hate crime.

unluckyluciano
01-15-2008, 03:52 PM
He may have been arrested, but not as a hate crime.
Hmmm Is their a specific instance though is my question.

Dolphan7
01-16-2008, 12:34 PM
Hmmm Is their a specific instance though is my question.No it is just my opinion. But I have not heard of anyone arrested for throwing a bible in the trash/toilet, let alone arrested as a hate crime.

CharlestonPhan
01-21-2008, 02:45 PM
if burning the U.S. flag is protected speech, then throwing a Quran in a toilet has to be as well.

and if it is not protected speech, why havent the "artist's" (some of whom receive taxpayer funded NEA grants) who smear feces and urine on images of the Virgin Mary and Jesus been charged?

i agree with the vandalism part, though. if he damaged university property, charge him with vandalism.