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DonShula84
01-24-2008, 10:28 PM
WASHINGTON (AFP) - US scientists have taken a major step toward creating the first ever artificial life form by synthetically reproducing the DNA of a bacteria, according to a study published Thursday.

The move, which comes after five years of research, is seen as the penultimate stage in the endeavour to create an artificial life form based entirely on a man-made DNA genome -- something which has tantalised scientists and sci-fi writers for years.
"Through dedicated teamwork we have shown that building large genomes is now feasible and scalable so that important applications such as biofuels can be developed," said Hamilton Smith, from the J. Craig Venter Institute, in the study published in Science.
The research has been carried out at the laboratories of the controversial celebrity US scientist Craig Venter, who has hailed artificial life forms as a potential remedy to illness and global warming.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080125/ts_alt_afp/sciencebiotechusresearch_080125001832

Dolphan7
01-24-2008, 10:47 PM
It takes our best scientists to make artificial life, yet.........real life happened supposedly by chance randomness. Does anyone see the irony in that?

Celtkin
01-24-2008, 11:32 PM
It takes out best scientists to make artificial life, yet.........real life happened supposedly by chance randomness. Does anyone see the irony in that?

It is amazing accomplishment indeed but as for the likelihood for 'randomness' giving rise to organic synthesis, that possibility was first proven by Miller and Urey (http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise_chem/Exobiology/miller.html) in the 1950's my brother. What Miller did in the lab over several months mimicked a very short period of the early earth (3-5 million years). Given the fact that we can prove that life existed ~3.5- 3.8 billion years ago (http://www.baylor.edu/Geology/index.php?id=26727), that gives approximately 200-500 million (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html) years from the 'creation' of the earth for life to evolve or for the earth to become a host to extraterrestrial life (on a meteor, for example).

I know we won't agree on this point and I don't wish to change your mind, even if I could. That is not my goal. I just want to offer an alternative viewpoint.

Celtkin
01-24-2008, 11:47 PM
Also, just a side note: Venter is not really one of the world's greatest scientists. He is famous for his exploits like the human genome project, but he is not in the top tier of molecular biologists IMO

Dolphan7
01-24-2008, 11:48 PM
It is amazing accomplishment indeed but as for the likelihood for 'randomness' giving rise to organic synthesis, that possibility was first proven by Miller and Urey (http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise_chem/Exobiology/miller.html) in the 1950's my brother. What Miller did in the lab over several months mimicked a very short period of the early earth (3-5 million years). Given the fact that we can prove that life existed ~3.5- 3.8 billion years ago (http://www.baylor.edu/Geology/index.php?id=26727), that gives approximately 200-500 million (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html) years from the 'creation' of the earth for life to evolve or for the earth to become a host to extraterrestrial life (on a meteor, for example).

I know we won't agree on this point and I don't wish to change your mind, even if I could. That is not my goal. I just want to offer an alternative viewpoint.
It has always been a "possibilty" within the scientific community. Duplicating this in a lab under the close and controlled supervision of a technician lends more to a creator than an accident.

But thank you for your input it was very interesting.

Celtkin
01-24-2008, 11:51 PM
It has always been a "possibilty" within the scientific community. Duplicating this in a lab under the close and controlled supervision of a technician lends more to a creator than an accident.

But thank you for your input it was very interesting.

Miller and Urey won a Nobel prize and the experiment has been repeated numerous times. I'm not sure who was the creator in this experiment you are referring to or, I could well have completely misunderstood your reply. :lol:

Dolphan7
01-24-2008, 11:56 PM
Miller and Urey won a Nobel prize and the experiment has been repeated numerous times. I'm not sure who was the creator in this experiment you are referring to or, I could well have completely misunderstood your reply. :lol:The experiments look more like duplicating "creation" by God than duplicating an accident in nature. See the irony?:err:

Celtkin
01-25-2008, 10:34 AM
The experiments look more like duplicating "creation" by God than duplicating an accident in nature. See the irony?:err:

Got it now :lol: I am a little slow in the evenings sometimes.

Eshlemon
01-25-2008, 08:09 PM
:wink:


One billion AD, outside lab of evolutionary descendants of this Institutes artificial life:

We have created artificial life, thus proving there is no Ventner almighty divine creator.

Two billiond AD, outside lab of...

Dolphan7
01-28-2008, 12:21 PM
:wink:


One billion AD, outside lab of evolutionary descendants of this Institutes artificial life:

We have created artificial life, thus proving there is no Ventner almighty divine creator.

Two billiond AD, outside lab of...:lol:

It took me a while, but I finally got it.


Classic!

Regan21286
01-28-2008, 03:02 PM
Interesting study.

Can't wait to see what idiotic idea those anti-science protesters come up with for this one. They harassed one of my fellow undergrad assistants for torturing animals and playing God. Except, we work with flies and heart tissues from consenting donors to isolate genes...

unluckyluciano
01-28-2008, 03:15 PM
Interesting study.

Can't wait to see what idiotic idea those anti-science protesters come up with for this one. They harassed one of my fellow undergrad assistants for torturing animals and playing God. Except, we work with flies and heart tissues from consenting donors to isolate genes...
The flies signed release waivers :winkwink:

EvilDylan
01-28-2008, 05:04 PM
The experiments look more like duplicating "creation" by God than duplicating an accident in nature. See the irony?:err:

The experiment looks like the act of creation, that's where the similarities to God end.