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Wolf13
01-29-2008, 07:31 AM
With all of the hype surrounding the trade with Dallas (#1 for #22, #28, Barber, and maybe a later round pick), I got to thinking that because we already have a crowded backfield as it is (Brown, Williams, Booker, potentialy chatman if he comes back) adding Barber didn't seem to add up to me (although I wouldn't mind having him).

What if this trade goes through, and we then trade Barber for even more picks, or to move down from #22 (or #28) back into the the low mid teens by packaging Barber and one of the picks and pick up a Sedrick Elis, or one of the top O-linemen?

I know trades very rarely happen (especially involving any of the top ten picks) these days, but who knows?

Nick13
01-29-2008, 03:06 PM
interesting theory. However, most teams would shy away from a player who was just traded being traded again, most teams in that scenario would think something was wrong with the player. More likely to happen would be Dallas trading Barber to someone else, and getting picks for him and then sending those picks to us in a deal for #1 overall.

Roman529
01-29-2008, 03:28 PM
With all of the hype surrounding the trade with Dallas (#1 for #22, #28, Barber, and maybe a later round pick), I got to thinking that because we already have a crowded backfield as it is (Brown, Williams, Booker, potentialy chatman if he comes back) adding Barber didn't seem to add up to me (although I wouldn't mind having him).

What if this trade goes through, and we then trade Barber for even more picks, or to move down from #22 (or #28) back into the the low mid teens by packaging Barber and one of the picks and pick up a Sedrick Elis, or one of the top O-linemen?

I know trades very rarely happen (especially involving any of the top ten picks) these days, but who knows?

I think a lot of this depends on Ronnie Brown's injury and how the team evaluates him come draft time. There is no gaurantee RB will fully recover right away from his ACL....after him we have a lot of backups who may or may nor even be here (Ricky Williams, Chatman). I like Lorenzo Booker, but Barber seems like a tough running back who breaks tackles and adds a little more toughness, so if we can bring him in I am all for it.

Myles Fynch
01-29-2008, 09:13 PM
I think a lot of this depends on Ronnie Brown's injury and how the team evaluates him come draft time. There is no gaurantee RB will fully recover right away from his ACL....after him we have a lot of backups who may or may nor even be here (Ricky Williams, Chatman). I like Lorenzo Booker, but Barber seems like a tough running back who breaks tackles and adds a little more toughness, so if we can bring him in I am all for it.

I agree. Adding Barber to the mix (if we can get him), even though he doesn't appear to be a need for us today, adds a true talent to our roster and bumps a less talented player off of it. Net result is we are better.

I think we are going to be a run heavy team next year to protect our QB , whoever it is, and continue to allow our OL to develop. BP likes having two legitimate starters on his roster at RB, and I think it's a smart approach. 16 games is a long season and it's just not realistic to think we can run Ronnie 30 times a game with no ill effects. Brown & Barber both run tough and the thought of being able to rotate them during a game against a tiring defense is tantalizing to say the least. It would also help keep our defense off the field, which for the next two years at least is probably not a bad thing.

FINishedPerfect
01-29-2008, 09:17 PM
Rb's are a dime a dozens look at guys Ryan Grant,D. Ward,E. Graham. I rather have M.Spears & B.Carpenter & picks instead.

Myles Fynch
01-29-2008, 09:47 PM
Rb's are a dime a dozens look at guys Ryan Grant,D. Ward,E. Graham. I rather have M.Spears & B.Carpenter & picks instead.

I don't think Dallas will give him up, so the point is probably moot. But I do like the tenacity with which Barber runs... he reminds me of Ricky when he was running for the Longhorns.

Wolf13
01-30-2008, 07:32 AM
Barber has shown the knack of pull out that fourth quarter back breaking TD run from long distance, similar to how Ricky did that in 2002

Elliott 1
01-30-2008, 08:12 AM
Barber goes straight to Detroit for Shaun Rogers. Detroit has already declared it won't be depending on Kevin Jones for anything. Barber is perfect for them.

There is a dearth of true NT's in this year's draft and in free agency. We are desperate in Miami for a strong nose. Nobody wants a player like Rogers, but we need him and so do a few other teams out there. We may have to send a young offensive linemen or LJ Shelton with Barber to get Rogers.

The only player in the draft with the physical ability to be a truly effective NT right away is Jason Shirley and he is a drunk.

I would acquire both of them and hope for the best because without them, our D-line may be a sive again.

Boomer
01-30-2008, 08:35 AM
This trade for Barber won't happen. Miami won't make it's two most expensive players tailbacks. Barber is a top 7/8 back in the league. You don't tie up that much money in 2 players, for them to only touch it 12 times each a game.

jim1
01-30-2008, 09:23 AM
This trade for Barber won't happen. Miami won't make it's two most expensive players tailbacks. Barber is a top 7/8 back in the league. You don't tie up that much money in 2 players, for them to only touch it 12 times each a game.

Wouldn't a 3-team deal make sense, or does Barber's expiring contract preclude that?

Boomer
01-30-2008, 09:58 AM
Wouldn't a 3-team deal make sense, or does Barber's expiring contract preclude that?

I don't know mate, if I'm honest.

jim1
01-30-2008, 10:20 AM
I don't know mate, if I'm honest.

It would make a heck of a lot of sense, I think, if:

- we could find another trading partner that needs a running back

- Parcells likes Bobby Carpenter and Marcus Spears

- there is lingering doubt about Ronnie Brown's knee. I don't know, haven't heard anything.

- there is, in fact, reason to believe that Jerry Jones not only wants a stud running back, but a former Arkansas Razorback stud running back. I'm not discounting this.

Jones' face at the end of the playoff game loss to the Giants- decimated, almost in shock. The face of an NFL owner ready to bust a move.

Boomer, while you're here- I saw a clip of S Thomas DeCloud of Cal- really impressive, it was actually a clip of a DeSean Jackson punt return. What struck me was how fast and quick DeCloud looked as compared to Jackson, it really surprised me. Good size, too. Listed as a 4.55 guy on NFLDC, that seems mighty low based upon what I saw, curious as to your opinion.

I sure hope that we trade down- I also want an OT to replace Shelton or at least move him to guard. I want Cherilius in the 2nd round- how do you compare him to Collins and Nicks? maybe Baker is an option, too. Cheers.

Boone
01-30-2008, 11:44 AM
Does anyone have links to these trade rumors with Dallas? I haven't seen any yet...

Boomer
01-30-2008, 12:07 PM
Does anyone have links to these trade rumors with Dallas? I haven't seen any yet...


www.fantasyland.com

Boomer
01-30-2008, 12:07 PM
Or try this one:

www.theworldisreallyjustonebigfairytale.org

jim1
01-30-2008, 12:16 PM
Does anyone have links to these trade rumors with Dallas? I haven't seen any yet...

http://www.yardbarker.com/teams/miami_dolphins/nfl_rumors



'BOYS TO MAKE A DEAL WITH THE FINS?
ESPN's Chris Mortensen suggested during a special edition of Sunday NFL Countdown that Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is eyeing the possibility of swinging a trade with the Dolphins for the No. 1 overall pick in the 2008 draft.
Such a deal would allow the 'Boys to bag running back Darren McFadden, who played college football at Jones' alma mater of Arkansas.
Per Mort, any such deal would have to include the rights to Cowboys running back Marion Barber, who is slated to be a restricted free agent. To make it happen, the Cowboys would have to work out a sign-and-trade deal before Barber gets a chance to ink an offer sheet that would force the Cowboys to match the terms or let him go in exchange for compensation. Thus, the safest bet for the 'Boys would be to tender Barber at the highest possible level, which would force any team that signs him to give up a first-round pick and a third-round pick. Those extra picks then could be used to sweeten the pot for the top spot in the draft.
And it's clear that the Cowboys are going to have to find a way to enhance the two first-rounders that they can offer up for the No. 1 pick. Under the revised draft order (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008DraftOrder.htm), the Cowboys pick at No. 22 (from Cleveland) and at No. 28. Under the trade chart (http://www.profootballtalk.com/draftchart.htm), the No. 22 overall pick is worth 780 points and the No. 28 selection is worth 660 points. The No. 1 selection has a value of 3,000 points; thus, the Cowboys would be a whopping 1,560 points short.
Though the trade chart arguably needs to be adjusted to reflect the fact that the enormous financial investment that is now required when using the top pick makes the prospects of a move up even more fraught with risk, the Fins could justify the 1,560-point gap by placing that value on Barber, who coupled with Ronnie Brown could give Miami a deadly one-two punch in the backfield.
Some readers think that the framework for a deal is already in place, and was part of the unspoken understanding that allowed the Dolphins to have their way with the Dallas front office and coaching staff. If that's true it wouldn't surprise us. Jones surely covets McFadden, and our guess is that he is willing to do whatever is necessary to get him.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Smoke
01-30-2008, 12:17 PM
Has Jerry Jones responded to any of these rumors? I just can't see him trading so much for a rookie running back with a huge contract. IMO, Marion Barber is already a top 5 running back. I love powerful guys like him who always get yards after contact. Jones would be a fool to trade him and a couple of first rounders to move up.

Touchnit187
01-30-2008, 12:57 PM
I would Love the fact that Barber would be part of our running game.. that would just mean one thing... our running game would be S!CK! ! ! !! LOL and that would allow beck to mature, well if he should stick around. But i was watching Joe Flacco (QB) from Delaware and if we snagged him, he could very well be the next Marino in my opinion

Boone
02-02-2008, 07:34 PM
Or try this one:

www.theworldisreallyjustonebigfairytale.org:lol:

blackthought
02-03-2008, 04:29 PM
The whole part about Barber being included is crazy to me. Dallas would only make their team better if they got McFadden and kept Barber, otherwise it becomes a wash. Where Barber is a brute, McFadden is finesse. The combination of the two, is what would be scary. Either one by themselves not so much. So if the Dolphins trade with them it'd probably be a player like M. Spears that they throw in, J. Ferguson maybe.

On another topic Bryant Johnson is on my wish list of FAs along with Trufant, and Wharton. Whose on yours?

And I also think the Fins should protect themselves in the case of Browns injury, a player like Tashard Choice or Matt Forte as a mid rounder would make for alot more peaceful nights for the new coaching staff.

I am Bane
02-03-2008, 04:33 PM
I love how everything goes to Jerry Jones... what is Phillips doing??? sitting on his bum picking his nose while watching family guy???? he has no call in anything... the guy doesnt even wear or use head-sets during games... every time they show him he's barely doing anything. what a waste he is!!!

and McFadden is NOT only a finess runner... watch tapes!!! but he isnt the power runner Barber III is

NorFlaFin
02-03-2008, 05:20 PM
If Ireland/Parcells pulled of this trade; they would be geniuses(?)

Also, I could see Barber immediately traded to the Lions for their 1st and Roy Williams.

Differently, the Boys could trade Barber to the Lions and use that 1st(15?) to sweeten the pot.

alen1
02-03-2008, 05:55 PM
I'm afraid if BP trades for barbarian and falls in love with him then ronnie could be on the outs. I dont want ronnie out, hes my fav player lol.