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zach8111
01-31-2008, 11:52 AM
2008 Miami Dolphins

Miami starts off the off-season by trading their 2nd round pick (#59) that they got for Chris Chambers to the Cincinnati Bengals for WR Chad Johnson.

Then on Draft day they shop around their #1 overall Pick. They get some offers from a few different teams but the Dallas Cowboys have the most attractive trade. They offer Miami their #22 & #28 in the first, their #60 in the 2nd round and their DE Marcus Spears for Miami's #1 overall pick.

So, then the First two rounds in the 2008 NFL Draft Goes...

Round 1
1 *Dallas (from Miami).............Darren McFadden, RB Arkansas
2 St. Louis (3-13)...................Glenn Dorsey, DT LSU
3 Atlanta (4-12)#...................Matt Ryan, QB Boston College
4 Oakland (4-12)#..................Sedrick Ellis DT, USC
5 Kansas City (4-12)#.............Jake Long, OT Michigan
6 New York Jets (4-12)............Chris Long, DE Virginia
7 New England (from S.F.)........Leodis McKelvin, CB Troy
8 Baltimore (5-11)...................Brian Brohm, QB Louisville
9 Cincinnati (7-9)....................Vernon Gholston, DE Ohio State
10 New Orleans (7-9)................Mike Jenkins, CB USF
11 Buffalo (7-9).......................Keith Rivers, OLB USC
12 Denver (7-9).......................Quentin Groves, DE Florida
13 Carolina (7-9)......................Kenny Philips, FS Miami U
14 Chicago (7-9)......................Dan Connor, OLB Penn State
15 Detroit (7-9).......................Ryan Clady, OT Boise State
16 Arizona (8-8).......................Derrick Harvey, DE Florida
17 Minnesota (8-8)...................Malcolm Kelly, WR Oklahoma
18 Houston (8-8)......................Jonathan Stewart, RB Oregon
19 Philadelphia (8-8).................Sam Baker, OT USC
20 Tampa Bay (9-7)..................Desean Jaskson, WR California
21 Washington (9-7).................Calias Campbell, DE Miami U
22 *Miami (from Dallas)..............Jeff Otah, OT Pittsburgh
23 Pittsburgh (10-6)..................Dominique Roger-Cromartie, CB Tenn. St.
24 Tennessee (10-6).................Early Doucet, WR LSU
25 Seattle (10-6)......................Rashard Mendenhall, RB Illinois
26 Jacksonville (11-5)................Reggie Smith, CB/S Oklahoma
27 San Diego (11-5)..................Kentwan Balmer, DT N. Carolina
28 *Maimi (from Dallas)..............Aquib Talib, CB Kansas
29 San Francisco (from Ind.).......Limas Sweed, WR Texas
30 Green Bay (13-3)..................Antoine Cason, CB Arizona
31 New York Giants (10-6)..........Chris Williams, OT Vanderbilt
32 New England (16-0)...............FORFIET***Spygate***

Round 2
33 Miami..................................Pat Sims, DT Auburn
34 St. Louis..............................Philip Merling, DE Clemson
35 Atlanta................................Goshder Cherilus, OT Boston College
36 Oakland...............................Carl Nicks, OT Nebraska
37 Kansas City..........................Terrell Thomas, CB/S USC
38 New York Jets.......................James Hardy, WR Indiana
39 San Francisco.......................Lawerance Jackson, DE USC
40 Baltimore.............................Anthony Collins, OT Kansas
41 Cincinnati.............................Trevor Laws, DT Notre Dame
42 New Orleans.........................Curtis Lofton, MLB Oklahoma
43 Buffalo.................................Fred Davis, TE USC
44 Denver.................................Jerod Mayo, MLB Tennessee
45 Carolina................................Andre' Woodson, QB Kentucky
46 Chicago................................Chad Henne, QB Michigan
47 Detroit.................................Tracy Porter, Indiana
48 Arizona.................................Ali Highsmith, OLB LSU
49 Minnesota.............................Jonathany Hefney, FS Tennessee
50 Atlanta (From Houston)...........Ray Rice, RB Rutgers
51 Philadelphia...........................Adarius Bowman, WR Oklahoma St.
52 Tampa Bay............................Brandon Flowers, CB Virginia Tech
53 Washington...........................Chilo Rachal, OG USC
54 Cleveland..............................Red Bryant, DT Texas A&M
55 Pittsburgh.............................Barry Richardson, OT Clemson
56 Tennessee............................Patrick Lee, CB Auburn
57 Seattle.................................Devin Thomas, WR Michigan St.
58 Jacksonville...........................Mario Manningham, WR Michigan
59 *Cincinnati (from Mia-SD)........Xavier Adibi, OLB Virginia Tech
60 *Miami (from Dallas)................Martellus Bennett, TE Texas A&M
61 Indianapolis...........................Roy Schuening, OG Oregon State
62 Green Bay.............................Jermichael Finley, TE Texas
63 New York Giants.....................DeJuan Tribble, CB Boston College
64 New England..........................Chris Ellis, DE Virginia Tech

Miami Final Draft
1-22 Jeff Otah OT Pittsburgh 6-6 340 5.24(40) -Big OT (BP Guy), Franchise LT
1-28 Aquib Talib 6-1 182 4.47 (40) -Great coverage and speed
2-33 Pat Sims, DT Auburn 6-4 316 4.92 (40)-NT, Good Run stopper and has speed to get to the QB
2-60 Martellus Bennett TE, Texas A&M 6-7 248 4.72 (40) Big TE (PB Guy) and productive
3-65 Beau Bell, MLB UNLV 6-1 245 4.57(40) -Another BP type guy (245lbs) can play ILB or OLB
4-97 Jason Jones, DE Eastern Michigan 6-5 272 4.67(40) -3-4 DE that gets o the QB
6-161 Corey Lynch, FS Appalachian State 6-0 205 4.57(40) -Special Team Guy who has blocked 6 career FG and also has 24 career INT's.
7-193 Jason Rivers, WR Hawaii 6-2 192 4.49 (40) -Has a good upside but does have some injury issues.

UDFA
I know we wont go after all of them or get but these are some guy to consider:

Kevin O'Connell, QB San Diego St. 6-6 235 4.59 (40) -Great 40 time, mobile, good arm strength, good pickup if not drafted
Robert Gustavis, OG Arizona State 6-3 303 5.32 (40) -great work ethic (cant go wrong ith a UDFA with that)
Jeremy Jones, MLB UTEP 6-4 264 4.85 (40) -notching 130 tackles, three sacks and two picks in 2005.
Nick Hill, QB Southern Illinois 6-3 2104.75 (40) -3,175 yards and 28 touchdowns and only 7 picks. 71.5 % efficiancy
Amir Pinnix, RB Minnesota 6-0 205 4.49 (40) -Pinnix rushed for 1,272 yards and 10 touchdowns in 2006 despite not being the starter until Week 4.
Lorne Sam, WR UTEP 6-3 215 4.53 (40) -Does a little bit of everything;144 passing yards, 339 rushing yards, 589 receiving yards and six total touchdowns for UTEP as a senior
Cole Bennett, TE Auburn 6-4 246 4.79 (40) -good blocking TE but thats about it.

The Depth Chart Would look Like this...
* Denote new Starters for Miami
Rookies
UDFA

QB *John Beck, Trent Green, Kevin O'Connell, Nick Hill (Prac. Sq.)
RB Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Lorenzo Booker, Amir Pinnix (Prac. Sq.)
FB Reagan Mauia
WR *Chad Johnson, Ted Ginn Jr., Derek Hagan, Jason Rivers, Lorne Sam
TE *Martellus Bennett, David Martin, Cole Bennett
LT *Jeff Otah, Anthony Alabi
LG Chris Liwienski, Chris Lekkerkereker
C Samson Satele
RG Rex Hadnot, Drew Mormino, Robert Gustavis
RT Vernon Carey, LJ Shelton
RE *Jason Jones, Matt Roth
NT *Pat Sims, Paul Soliai, Rodrigues Wright
LE *Marcus Spears, Vonnie Holliday, Quentin Moses
LOLB Joey Porter, Donnie Spragan,
MLB *Beau Bell, Jeremy Jones
MLB Zach Thomas, Channing Crowder
ROLB Jason Taylor, Abraham Wright, Derek Pope
CB *Aquib Talib, Will Allen, Andre Goodman
FS Jason Allen, Corey Lynch
SS Yeremiah Bell, Renaldo Hill
K Jay Feely
P Brandon Fields
KR Ted Ginn Jr.
PR Ted Ginn Jr.

*I done see many FA's coming here unless we overpay for them on account of our 1-15 record. But I'd really like miami to look for an OG or C in FA before the draft. If C then move Satele to OG.

Stitches
01-31-2008, 12:20 PM
I hate mocks that involve trades, until the trade happens, you should assume it won't.

The Confessor
01-31-2008, 12:26 PM
Agreed with Stitches on the trade scenario...

But, I like this MUCH more than your first draft.

BTW: My opinion. Antoine Cason is going to be nothing more than a steady nickel back and a nice returner....and his stock has absolutely plummeted. He is VERY small

Motion
01-31-2008, 12:28 PM
If Cromartie goes that late, which I don't think he will now, I'd rather grab him first. Then the best OT and/or DT with our next two picks. Otherwise not to bad although I have serious doubts either one of those trades will happen.

2413fanphins
01-31-2008, 12:33 PM
Jeez... I don't mind the trade scenarios...
if it doesn't happen it doesn't happen,

I like the cason pick. although, I may go with DRC, after the combine... if we took DRC, than I would target gosder cherilous at 33. I think talib, is the top corner right now though. May have to reach a bit though.

after watching senior bowl week, I have to wonder if trevor laws would fit anywhere on the roster. not sure he's a bonafide NT, but he was an animal in that game. I'm certain I wasn't the only one impressed.

sure would like to land marcus spears somehow.

do have to wonder though, if we wouldn't try to land matt flynn in the later rounds, if we don't address it sooner.

looks like you hit most of the major need areas though. good job

Don't know much about your TE selection. have to tell me more about him. I am going to keep an eye on kellen davis from MSU.
I like his size, just want to see his measurables at the combine.

Motion
01-31-2008, 12:38 PM
Jeez... I don't mind the trade scenarios...
if it doesn't happen it doesn't happen,

I like the cason pick. although, I may go with DRC, after the combine... if we took DRC, than I would target gosder cherilous at 33. I think talib, is the top corner right now though. May have to reach a bit though.

after watching senior bowl week, I have to wonder if trevor laws would fit anywhere on the roster. not sure he's a bonafide NT, but he was an animal in that game. I'm certain I wasn't the only one impressed.

sure would like to land marcus spears somehow.

do have to wonder though, if we wouldn't try to land matt flynn in the later rounds, if we don't address it sooner.

looks like you hit most of the major need areas though. good job

Don't know much about your TE selection. have to tell me more about him. I am going to keep an eye on kellen davis from MSU.
I like his size, just want to see his measurables at the combine.

Bennett is a stud at TE. Huge target over the middle.

As of now I think Jenkins, McKelvin, and DRC are all ahead of Talib. This class is extremely deep at CB though and alot of these guys are almost interchangeable.

zach8111
01-31-2008, 12:42 PM
Jeez... I don't mind the trade scenarios...
if it doesn't happen it doesn't happen,

I like the cason pick. although, I may go with DRC, after the combine... if we took DRC, than I would target gosder cherilous at 33. I think talib, is the top corner right now though. May have to reach a bit though.

after watching senior bowl week, I have to wonder if trevor laws would fit anywhere on the roster. not sure he's a bonafide NT, but he was an animal in that game. I'm certain I wasn't the only one impressed.

sure would like to land marcus spears somehow.

do have to wonder though, if we wouldn't try to land matt flynn in the later rounds, if we don't address it sooner.

looks like you hit most of the major need areas though. good job

Don't know much about your TE selection. have to tell me more about him. I am going to keep an eye on kellen davis from MSU.
I like his size, just want to see his measurables at the combine.
Martellus Bennett, Texas A&M
Height: 6-7. Weight: 248.
40 Time: 4.72.

projedted as 2nd best but would fit our team better than fred davis (#1). he is a good blocker, something we lack, nd a good reciever. also played basketbaall in college...most TE's do.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8AAgF6i9ukE
not the best footage but he has some great qualities and moves

DOL-FAN92
01-31-2008, 06:53 PM
i LOVE the trade scenerios....HATE the picks....

zach8111
01-31-2008, 07:04 PM
i LOVE the trade scenerios....HATE the picks....
what...who would you take?

AggieFin21
01-31-2008, 07:15 PM
Of course I'm feeling the TE pick ;-)

But for some reason, which I can't seem to figure out right now, I'm not really liking the Sims pick. With these trades, if Talib is on the board with our #2 1st, then I'd like to see us take him. The talent level between him and Cason is very, very noticable IMO. We could then look to a guy like Frank Okam (Texas) or Red Bryant (A&M) in the 2nd. But that just might be my Big 12 homerism coming out.

I also think Trevor Laws is far to high up on this draft board. Heart and a good motor translate well in college but the kid is very small for the position he played in college and not fast enough to be a NFL DE.

zach8111
01-31-2008, 07:21 PM
Of course I'm feeling the TE pick ;-)

But for some reason, which I can't seem to figure out right now, I'm not really liking the Sims pick. With these trades, if Talib is on the board with our #2 1st, then I'd like to see us take him. The talent level between him and Cason is very, very noticable IMO. We could then look to a guy like Frank Okam (Texas) or Red Bryant (A&M) in the 2nd. But that just might be my Big 12 homerism coming out.

I also think Trevor Laws is far to high up on this draft board. Heart and a good motor translate well in college but the kid is very small for the position he played in college and not fast enough to be a NFL DE.
pat sims is much better than the guys you listed. for some reason everyone is underrating cason. cason is a great CB. We are gonna need to get a NT that weighs around 316 or more and pat simsis by FAR the best out of the guys you named. by far, i love that pick. jeff otah and sims are my favorite picks and should have HUGE impacts on our team

The Confessor
01-31-2008, 07:43 PM
Of course I'm feeling the TE pick ;-)

But for some reason, which I can't seem to figure out right now, I'm not really liking the Sims pick. With these trades, if Talib is on the board with our #2 1st, then I'd like to see us take him. The talent level between him and Cason is very, very noticable IMO. We could then look to a guy like Frank Okam (Texas) or Red Bryant (A&M) in the 2nd. But that just might be my Big 12 homerism coming out.

I also think Trevor Laws is far to high up on this draft board. Heart and a good motor translate well in college but the kid is very small for the position he played in college and not fast enough to be a NFL DE.



Yes yes and yes...very nice analysis bro:up:
I also would rather have either Red Bryant or Okam..

The Confessor
01-31-2008, 07:45 PM
pat sims is much better than the guys you listed. for some reason everyone is underrating cason. cason is a great CB. We are gonna need to get a NT that weighs around 316 or more and pat simsis by FAR the best out of the guys you named. by far, i love that pick. jeff otah and sims are my favorite picks and should have HUGE impacts on our team


Why you say Sims is far better than Bryant and Okam? I disagree whole-heartedly..

Cason is TINY..he is gonna have a VERY tough time with the size of the recievers in the NFL bro...

BTW: I am in Tucson and have seen Cason up close and personal:up:

AggieFin21
01-31-2008, 08:01 PM
pat sims is much better than the guys you listed. for some reason everyone is underrating cason. cason is a great CB. We are gonna need to get a NT that weighs around 316 or more and pat simsis by FAR the best out of the guys you named. by far, i love that pick. jeff otah and sims are my favorite picks and should have HUGE impacts on our team

- Red Bryant is listed at 6-5, 322lbs.
- Frank Okam is listed at 6-5, 320lbs.

- Sims is listed at 6-4, 315lbs.

So I guess i'm not really seeing the point in your arguement as both Bryant and Okam are bigger.

The talent level better Bryant or Okam and Sims isn't near as much as the difference between Cason and Talib, and I'm only slightly figuring in that Cason is just barely hitting 6'0" and 185. I don't doubt his talent but NFL receivers are much faster, bigger and stronger than college. And if you look at a team like Jacksonville or even Detroit, many teams are looking for taller receivers now.

zach8111
01-31-2008, 08:09 PM
- Red Bryant is listed at 6-5, 322lbs.
- Frank Okam is listed at 6-5, 320lbs.

- Sims is listed at 6-4, 315lbs.

So I guess i'm not really seeing the point in your arguement as both Bryant and Okam are bigger.

The talent level better Bryant or Okam and Sims isn't near as much as the difference between Cason and Talib, and I'm only slightly figuring in that Cason is just barely hitting 6'0" and 185. I don't doubt his talent but NFL receivers are much faster, bigger and stronger than college. And if you look at a team like Jacksonville or even Detroit, many teams are looking for taller receivers now.

i didnt say that they werent good. i didnt say they were bigger. i ust siad sims is a beast and would be a better guy to take. he is really strong and fast and has the ability to get to the QB. 6-5 is kind of tall for a NT. i know that 1 inch smaller isnt gonna be the factor that gets him taken over them byut its more ideal that 6-5. it has something to doo with there leverage.
id rather solidify our D-line and O-line this year and our secondary would look better. and i think everyone is underrating cason

The Confessor
01-31-2008, 08:23 PM
i didnt say that they werent good. i didnt say they were bigger. i ust siad sims is a beast and would be a better guy to take. he is really strong and fast and has the ability to get to the QB. 6-5 is kind of tall for a NT. i know that 1 inch smaller isnt gonna be the factor that gets him taken over them byut its more ideal that 6-5. it has something to doo with there leverage.
id rather solidify our D-line and O-line this year and our secondary would look better. and i think everyone is underrating cason


I do agree with the idea that an NT can actually be too tall..

Have you actually seen Cason play? What school does he play for? Just asking

zach8111
01-31-2008, 08:27 PM
I do agree with the idea that an NT can actually be too tall..

Have you actually seen Cason play? What school does he play for? Just asking
yes ive seen him play. he plays for arizona....i didnt even have to look it up. ive been making drafts and looking at all the players in the draft and forming my own opinions of the players and taking the pro analysis evaluations in consideration and making my best judgement of the players. ive seen cason few a few times during the season and he impressed me and ive seen some highlights of him too. even though looking at highlights doesnt really tell you how good a player is

The Confessor
01-31-2008, 08:30 PM
yes ive seen him play. he plays for arizona....i didnt even have to look it up. ive been making drafts and looking at all the players in the draft and forming my own opinions of the players and taking the pro analysis evaluations in consideration and making my best judgement of the players. ive seen cason few a few times during the season and he impressed me and ive seen some highlights of him too. even though looking at highlights doesnt really tell you how good a player is


Arizona? as in University of Arizona? WIldcats? Lute Olson and all that? Isnt that in Phoenix?...just asking

zach8111
01-31-2008, 08:32 PM
Arizona? as in University of Arizona? WIldcats? Lute Olson and all that? Isnt that in Phoenix?...just asking
yes arizona wildcats...whats your point?

The Confessor
01-31-2008, 08:34 PM
yes arizona wildcats...whats your point?



If theWildcats are in Phoenix, then where are the Sundevils? How about the Lumberjacks (NAU)??? Just asking?

DonShula84
01-31-2008, 08:35 PM
I like the draft quite a bit, except for Bennett over John Carlson. The Dolphins cant pass on an ND player two years in a row lol.

zach8111
01-31-2008, 08:36 PM
If theWildcats are in Phoenix, then where are the Sundevils? How about the Lumberjacks (NAU)??? Just asking?
who cares arent we talkin about cason???

DonShula84
01-31-2008, 08:38 PM
Arizona? as in University of Arizona? WIldcats? Lute Olson and all that? Isnt that in Phoenix?...just asking

It's in Tucson

The Confessor
01-31-2008, 08:39 PM
who cares arent we talkin about cason???

Yeah, I guess I was talking about the Cason that plays HERE IN TUCSON...


What I saw of him..and I saw him live a handfull of times. He is VERYsmall, not exceptionally instinctive but VERY athletic. I watched him give everything he had on every play, but his size was very evident on many occasions.

Once again, I think he is gonna be an excellent nickle-back...just too small for an everyday CB

zach8111
01-31-2008, 08:41 PM
i dont know or care WHERE university of arizona is cuz i dont think i'll ever go there, so why would i care where it is. its not gonna change my opinion on cason. and i dont care about the sundevils or lumberjacks

The Confessor
01-31-2008, 08:43 PM
i dont know or care WHERE university of arizona is cuz i dont think i'll ever go there, so why would i care where it is. its not gonna change my opinion on cason. and i dont care about the sundevils or lumberjacks


Fair enough...btw The Lumberjacks are in Flagstaff. A excellent little school in a very nice little town, just an hour from the Grand Canyon

zach8111
01-31-2008, 08:44 PM
Yeah, I guess I was talking about the Cason that plays HERE IN TUCSON...


What I saw of him..and I saw him live a handfull of times. He is VERYsmall, not exceptionally instinctive but VERY athletic. I watched him give everything he had on every play, but his size was very evident on many occasions.

Once again, I think he is gonna be an excellent nickle-back...just too small for an everyday CB
i see you tried catching me in a lie but you failed because i never said it was in pheonix. all i said is that they were the wildcats. i didnt care where the school is. 6-0 185 isnt very small for a cb. 5-10 180 is.

dominizzo
01-31-2008, 09:22 PM
BRooo!!!!!! I like that!!! Now thats a realistic Mock and lineups.....

The Confessor
01-31-2008, 09:24 PM
i see you tried catching me in a lie but you failed because i never said it was in pheonix. all i said is that they were the wildcats. i didnt care where the school is. 6-0 185 isnt very small for a cb. 5-10 180 is.


Yeah, thats alright. You made my point for me..:up:

zach8111
01-31-2008, 09:29 PM
Yeah, thats alright. You made my point for me..:up:
and what point was that?

#1dolphinsfan
01-31-2008, 09:34 PM
I think we will get Ken Hamlin in FA and Maybe Flozell adams

dominizzo
01-31-2008, 09:47 PM
This Draft is Full Of TE's

DaytonaDolFan13
01-31-2008, 10:59 PM
-We trade down with Dallas for Their top 3, Marion Barber and Bobby Carpenter (he's a good ST player and Lhttp://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2008/02/cool-1.gif
-We trade that 2nd rounder from Dallas to Cinci for CJ
-Sign UFA Max Starks OL from Pittsburg
#22-Fred Davis TE
#28 Antoine Cason DB
#32 Derrick Harvey LB
#57 Red Bryant NT
#59 traded for 85

zach8111
01-31-2008, 11:06 PM
-We trade down with Dallas for Their top 3, Marion Barber and Bobby Carpenter (he's a good ST player and Lhttp://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2008/02/cool-1.gif
-We trade that 2nd rounder from Dallas to Cinci for CJ
-Sign UFA Max Starks OL from Pittsburg
#22-Fred Davis TE
#28 Antoine Cason DB
#32 Derrick Harvey LB
#57 Red Bryant NT
#59 traded for 85
i'll pass on that draft

#1dolphinsfan
01-31-2008, 11:55 PM
-We trade down with Dallas for Their top 3, Marion Barber and Bobby Carpenter (he's a good ST player and Lhttp://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2008/02/cool-1.gif
-We trade that 2nd rounder from Dallas to Cinci for CJ
-Sign UFA Max Starks OL from Pittsburg
#22-Fred Davis TE
#28 Antoine Cason DB
#32 Derrick Harvey LB
#57 Red Bryant NT
#59 traded for 85
there is only 2 picks i really like and it Is #59 Trading for CJ and #28 Antoine Cason

zach8111
02-01-2008, 12:19 AM
-We trade down with Dallas for Their top 3, Marion Barber and Bobby Carpenter (he's a good ST player and Lhttp://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2008/02/cool-1.gif
-We trade that 2nd rounder from Dallas to Cinci for CJ
-Sign UFA Max Starks OL from Pittsburg
#22-Fred Davis TE
#28 Antoine Cason DB
#32 Derrick Harvey LB
#57 Red Bryant NT
#59 traded for 85
too high on fred davis plus he isnt a parcells kind of guy. he like tall TE's like bennett 6-7 not davis only 6-2. he isnt gonna reach for a guy who isnt his tyope of player.