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DOL-FAN92
01-31-2008, 06:34 PM
Gholston is faster than Chris Long...Gholston runs a 4.6,Long runs a 4.8

Gholston is stronger than Long

Gholston is a better tackler than Long

Gholston is a better size than Long....6'5"...Long Is 6'4"

Gholston is lighter than Long....264...Long is 270+

Not to mention Gholston was the number 1 DE/OLB coming out until he was shutdown in the BCS National Title Game...

Long has a better motor

Long has better intellegence

Long has better technique

Bottom Line,I dont care what you all think,I was going for a DE/OLB with the first pick,i would take Gholston over Long any day:woot:

zach8111
01-31-2008, 06:36 PM
Because he is toooooo small to play DE at a 3-4 defense. you have to weight around 285-295. he weight 260! he'd have to play OLB so we wouldnt be draft a DE we'd be drafting a OLB and he wouldnt be as effective ad DE. he'd have to fall back in coverage and that isnt his strong suite

traptses
01-31-2008, 06:39 PM
Bottom Line,I dont care what you all think,I was going for a DE/OLB with the first pick,i would take Gholston over Long any day:woot:

^this

zach8111
01-31-2008, 06:41 PM
^this
thats why you could never be a GM. Chris long is the better pick. his presence on the line overpowers gholstons physical abilities.

DOL-FAN92
01-31-2008, 06:45 PM
Because he is toooooo small to play DE at a 3-4 defense. you have to weight around 285-295. he weight 260! he'd have to play OLB so we wouldnt be draft a DE we'd be drafting a OLB and he wouldnt be as effective ad DE. he'd have to fall back in coverage and that isnt his strong suite

tell that to D.Freeney!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Freeney is 6-1 260 and he is a Pro-Bowl DE

Vernon is 6-5 260...whats your point??????????????

Retnuhrace
01-31-2008, 06:49 PM
Last I checked Freeney doesn't play in a 3-4 defense.

traptses
01-31-2008, 06:51 PM
Last I checked Freeney doesn't play in a 3-4 defense.

Did we?

Majpain
01-31-2008, 06:51 PM
Gholston WAS not shutdown in the BCS game. He drove back Tackles like they were nothing. The problem was the Secondary didn't do their job.

I'm Bias when I say I like Gholston over Long.

zach8111
01-31-2008, 06:54 PM
tell that to D.Freeney!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Freeney is 6-1 260 and he is a Pro-Bowl DE

Vernon is 6-5 260...whats your point??????????????

I know miami isnt use to running a 3-4 so you probably are that familiar with 3-4 defense but...
colts DO NOT RUNS A 3-4 defense. in a 3-4 D you have to have bigger lineman because there is only 3 instead of 4 lineman (4-3)

truckstick23
01-31-2008, 06:56 PM
First off I have to argue your points because some are incorrect and some just don't make sense.

1.) What are you basing your strength on...sure gholston is a freak of nature and looks like a body builder. But Long has 20 pounds on him.

2.) How do you figure that Gholston is a better tackler, you even say later that Long has the better technique.

3.) Your heights are incorrect, or at least Gholston's is he is actually 6'4''

4.) As a positive for Gholston you state that he is smaller? How does that benefit him?

5.) Gholston was never the number one DE coming out.

Although I really like Gholston a lot it seems like you put down wrong facts to prove your point. I'm not a fan of that. Plus you know what you're getting with Long, whereas Gholston really has to prove his athleticism at the combine and pro days. He is gonna be a blitzing linebacker, but he still has to prove he can do the other requirements of a linebacker. I think Gholston is the sexier pick and maybe someday will be the better one, but Long sure does have a lot more consistent look to him.

Majpain
01-31-2008, 06:58 PM
I feel Gholston has more potential at LB than Long. Thats just me though.

zach8111
01-31-2008, 07:00 PM
Gholston WAS not shutdown in the BCS game. He drove back Tackles like they were nothing. The problem was the Secondary didn't do their job.

I'm Bias when I say I like Gholston over Long.
well in a 4-3 defense its close between gholston and long but in a 3-4 there is not question, its long...

oh by the way my College team is OHIO ST. ya.. im a die heart buckeye fan. im from fremont, ohio and have always love hio st and yes im saying long is better than ghloston. i dont care about bias....i just want the players thqat is gonna help us win more...even if they are from d-2 schools if they give us the best chance to win

zach8111
01-31-2008, 07:02 PM
I feel Gholston has more potential at LB than Long. Thats just me though.
yes but long will be a DE. he fits in a 3-4 as DE. i think gholston would be better as a OLB.

SEC.142
01-31-2008, 07:10 PM
Gholston WAS not shutdown in the BCS game. He drove back Tackles like they were nothing. The problem was the Secondary didn't do their job.

I'm Bias when I say I like Gholston over Long.

I watched the game live all the way through once, and then about 4 or 5 times while focusing on LSU's defense. More specifically, Glenn Dorsey. So, I can't say I've ever really watched Gholston play. A few times, however, I noticed him explode into the backfield only to get caught flatfooted. My question to you, is this guy a "football player" or more of an athlete who used his strength/speed to bully college players? Does he have a lot of rough edges?

zach8111
01-31-2008, 07:12 PM
I watched the game live all the way through once, and then about 4 or 5 times while focusing on LSU's defense. More specifically, Glenn Dorsey. So, I can't say I've ever really watched Gholston play. A few times, however, I noticed him explode into the backfield only to get caught flatfooted. My question to you, is this guy a "football player" or more of an athlete who used his strength/speed to bully college players? Does he have a lot of rough edges?
that is a good question and he has a big question mark on him and shouldnt be take #1 with that big of a ?. i think he will be a good pro only if he can play DE in a 4-3. i dont see him acceling as OLB as much

SEC.142
01-31-2008, 07:17 PM
that is a good question and he has a big question mark on him and shouldnt be take #1 with that big of a ?. i think he will be a good pro only if he can play DE in a 4-3. i dont see him acceling as OLB as much


You think he lacks the "feel" to stand up and take on that role?

DOL-FAN92
01-31-2008, 07:19 PM
FYI people...Parcells and Ireland hasnt decided on 3-4 or 4-3....

zach8111
01-31-2008, 07:26 PM
You think he lacks the "feel" to stand up and take on that role?
what was Ohio states problem in the BCS game. there coverage on defense. if gholston was in a 3-4 he'd play OLB...agreed? so there fore he would have to play coverage alot (probably TE's) he isnt a coverage kind of guy. he is a rush the QB every play kind of guy. so defensive in is ideal for him. i just dont see him succeeding in that role as much as a #7 pick should and the pats are smart enough to see it. now if the jets took him at #6 he would accel because they play 4-3 and he could play DE

zach8111
01-31-2008, 07:28 PM
FYI people...Parcells and Ireland hasnt decided on 3-4 or 4-3....
also FYI parcels and ireland (3-4 guys) sign all 3-4 guys as coaches. so we are changing. and if that isnt enough we sign two LB couched (ILB and OLB coach) that is a BIG sign that we are changing to a 3-4. i know he hasnt said it but with all this going on it should be implied. it kind of common scence.

SEC.142
01-31-2008, 07:29 PM
what was Ohio states problem in the BCS game. there coverage on defense. if gholston was in a 3-4 he'd play OLB...agreed? so there fore he would have to play coverage alot (probably TE's) he isnt a coverage kind of guy. he is a rush the QB every play kind of guy. so defensive in is ideal for him. i just dont see him succeeding in that role as much as a #7 pick should and the pats are smart enough to see it. now if the jets took him at #6 he would accel because they play 4-3 and he could play DE

I thought they played a 3-4 also?

JT#1
01-31-2008, 07:29 PM
what was Ohio states problem in the BCS game. there coverage on defense. if gholston was in a 3-4 he'd play OLB...agreed? so there fore he would have to play coverage alot (probably TE's) he isnt a coverage kind of guy. he is a rush the QB every play kind of guy. so defensive in is ideal for him. i just dont see him succeeding in that role as much as a #7 pick should and the pats are smart enough to see it. now if the jets took him at #6 he would accel because they play 4-3 and he could play DE
jets actually play a 3-4

Majpain
01-31-2008, 07:30 PM
yes but long will be a DE. he fits in a 3-4 as DE. i think gholston would be better as a OLB.


I agree.

zach8111
01-31-2008, 07:32 PM
jets actually play a 3-4
well if that is true i dont see him fitting in there either. but i think he'd fit a little better than the pats. not because of him but because of parcells. he like bigger LB's like Thomas and the other old LB on there core.

sorry about that jets mistake. i didnt realize that until 2 seconds aog when tod mcshay on espn said they ran a 3-4

The Confessor
01-31-2008, 07:53 PM
Gholston WAS not shutdown in the BCS game. He drove back Tackles like they were nothing. The problem was the Secondary didn't do their job.

I'm Bias when I say I like Gholston over Long.


???? You are talking about THIS years BSC...right?

What I saw was Gholston CONSTANTLY taking himself out of the play. Over-pursuit play after play. If I was an OC facing him, it would be two dives the other direction then a counter right at him....

The Confessor
01-31-2008, 07:55 PM
Another thing about Gholston..and I DO think he is gonna be a very nice player for the right team....almost ALL his strength is above the waist. He is gonna get flat steam-rolled if trying to play on the line...and those humungous arms arent gonna help him there...

Majpain
01-31-2008, 08:40 PM
???? You are talking about THIS years BSC...right?

What I saw was Gholston CONSTANTLY taking himself out of the play. Over-pursuit play after play. If I was an OC facing him, it would be two dives the other direction then a counter right at him....
I disagree completely.

And all of his Strength is not only in his arms. He is a gym rat who spends alot of his time working out getting stronger. He works his whole body not just his Arms.

He is solid. Though I think we would dominate in a 4-3 Defense.

PerfectTeam
01-31-2008, 08:51 PM
the only way i see gholston fitting in our defense is at linebacker. although there hasnt been anything publicly said about what formation we are going to be running on defense, chances are very good that its going to be a 3-4. In the 3-4 gholston would be mis cast as a DE. He would have to move to linebacker. He could do well at LB in a 3-4 but i think there safer choices such as dorsey and chris long.