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Phinsfan210
02-04-2008, 12:39 PM
This comment made me think

"wat do u think this loss means to the pats. will they come back harder next year? will seau retire? bruschi? rodney? faulk? wat about moss and stalllworth? will they now try to say get rid of stallworth [not resign him] and washington and try to make a run at chad johnson? they should get a cb definitly. and some young lbs. this could be the end of a dynasty now that i think about it"

This really could be the begining of the end of this Patriots dynasty. Im not saying there going to suck from now on, but I dont think they will be this dominant team we all looked at them as. The rise of the dolphins....:woot:

dolpns13
02-04-2008, 12:41 PM
This comment made me think

"wat do u think this loss means to the pats. will they come back harder next year? will seau retire? bruschi? rodney? faulk? wat about moss and stalllworth? will they now try to say get rid of stallworth [not resign him] and washington and try to make a run at chad johnson? they should get a cb definitly. and some young lbs. this could be the end of a dynasty now that i think about it"

This really could be the begining of the end of this Patriots dynasty. Im not saying there going to suck from now on, but I dont think they will be this dominant team we all looked at them as. The rise of the dolphins....:woot:

I hope so, but dont start underestimating them. They still have brady who made Welker look like a freak of nature all year

Dolfan1000
02-04-2008, 12:42 PM
Hate to say it, but as long as they have Brady, they will compete. That said, losing Seau, Bruschi, Harrison and Samuel would be a huge blow to that defense. Not to mention potentially not resigning Moss, and letting go of Stallworth. When you look at many of their moves last offseason, with the exception of Adalius and Wes, they were predominantly 'one year deals', as they had options in all of the contracts they offered to cut them easily after 2008. This may have been one last effort to get a ring before they lose some of the vets on D. Just a thought.

Smoke
02-04-2008, 12:45 PM
The Pats still have a lot of very talented youth and the number seven pick in the draft. Brady still has a lot of years left in him as well. I think they'll be good for a long time.

satz
02-04-2008, 12:48 PM
As we asked it this the end of camelot. I do not think so .


05 - did not make it to the afc championship lost in wildcard round
06- did not make it to the SB lost afc championship
07 - lost in SB

36 million under the cap for 08

Dolphins7273
02-04-2008, 12:49 PM
I really hope they never make it to another super bowl ever again.

Smoke
02-04-2008, 12:53 PM
I really hope they never make it to another super bowl ever again.

I don't know. It felt really good watching them lose yesterday. I wouldn't mind seeing that again.

Celtkin
02-04-2008, 12:54 PM
I don't see the Pats falling out of sight any time soon. That team is just way too good and the coaching staff has a knack of getting the best out of the players they have.

PMZQ
02-04-2008, 12:58 PM
I don't see the Pats falling out of sight any time soon. That team is just way too good and the coaching staff has a knack of getting the best out of the players they have.

Celt unfortunately I think you are right. :boohoo:

dont fumble
02-04-2008, 12:59 PM
I don't think this game will have an impact. But you have to wait what happens with the 'other story'. If the truth comes out and the NFL is forced (otherwise they wouldn't do it, as seen) to punish their cash cow, then they will go down. It's a big if and they will probably find a way to avoid the biggest scandal in the history of the league, but if it happens, it's over.

satz
02-04-2008, 01:38 PM
I don't think this game will have an impact. But you have to wait what happens with the 'other story'. If the truth comes out and the NFL is forced (otherwise they wouldn't do it, as seen) to punish their cash cow, then they will go down. It's a big if and they will probably find a way to avoid the biggest scandal in the history of the league, but if it happens, it's over.
As mentioned the senators 2 biggest contributers are Comcast and the legal firm representing the comcast and other cable TV against NFL this is more to do with NFL then this issue.

cnc66
02-04-2008, 01:48 PM
they will be back reloaded, unless the Senators inquiry finds something evil.. and then I think BB is out forever.. the NFL cannot afford to put their antitrust status in any kind of jeopardy.

This loss changes everything.. no matter what their record is from here on out, they will always be known as "choke of the century" hahahaha

SabanHater
02-04-2008, 04:24 PM
let's not forget.... the Pats have a top 10 pick.

Tetragrammaton
02-04-2008, 05:45 PM
Moss is more than likely going to take a big contract somewhere else. Their defense needs to be retooled. They will contend next year, but they won't win 16 in the regular season again.

uga3406
02-04-2008, 07:36 PM
i give them 2-3 years then after that there fair game

Predaphin
02-04-2008, 08:36 PM
This comment made me think

"wat do u think this loss means to the pats. will they come back harder next year? will seau retire? bruschi? rodney? faulk? wat about moss and stalllworth? will they now try to say get rid of stallworth [not resign him] and washington and try to make a run at chad johnson? they should get a cb definitly. and some young lbs. this could be the end of a dynasty now that i think about it"

This really could be the begining of the end of this Patriots dynasty. Im not saying there going to suck from now on, but I dont think they will be this dominant team we all looked at them as. The rise of the dolphins....:woot:

Oh this is.....The Patriots have reached peaked heights in the NFL and in this salaray cap era, you only get a small window of oppertunity.....for the Patriots it's come and now gone.....watch for the patriots to decline, it may not be from one year to the other, but they will decline for sure.

jimmy42jack0
02-05-2008, 12:04 AM
historically, you start to see a decline in the franchise after this kind of a run as well...and as a history major...who am i to argue with the facts...while they probably still walk away with the afc east...i think the days of the pats being super are over

rev kev
02-05-2008, 10:56 AM
The bills will win the division for years if the Bill Jets or Dols don't start to make a plan... the bills have a recipe for success and it is called investing money into the linemen

3Ply Stagliano
02-05-2008, 01:50 PM
I don't want to be negative but I doubt this is anything close to the end for the Pats. None of us knows but I would guess Moss will be back there next season. The loss of Bruschi wouldn't really be much of a loss for them. He's not a particularly good player nowadays. In fact, I would go as far as to say he was never 'that' good a player. Certainly not as good as his reputation would suggest. Stallworth and Washington may not be back for them next season but I think they could deal with that. The same goes for Seau.

If Samuel goes (Which he most likely will) I think he would be their greatest loss but I think they could replace him with someone who will be at least decent for them.

If Harrison retires that might not be as awful a move for them as it seems at face value either. He makes some uncharacteristic bad plays for them now and he could be replaced on the field. I know you could comment on their leadership problems without players like Harrison, Seau and even Bruschi but I really believe their coach has so much control over them that having a 'leader' as a player isn't as important as it may be with some teams. It's almost like they're brainwashed at times.

Their most important players and coaches should be returning to them next season and I can't see them dwindling too much with that happening, much as I would love them to be absolutely dire.

gunn34
02-05-2008, 03:25 PM
I don't see the Pats falling out of sight any time soon. That team is just way too good and the coaching staff has a knack of getting the best out of the players they have.


As long as Bill has a camera crew, he'll find ways to win.