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Oraclepz
02-04-2008, 05:22 PM
I have no idea what people see in him. Am i missing something? every game i seen him play in i did not see anything special. Some one show me a video or tell me that im wrong. Do i think hes gonna be a bust? no. i think he will be ok but hes not number 1 overall draft pick material in my opinion. Maybe im wrong. I would rather have Both LONGs.

Spray Mucus
02-04-2008, 05:29 PM
Plenty of posts in this forum about Dorsey... look around a little. Read just about every post on him by Boomer...


you're not even trying...

Ghetti13
02-04-2008, 05:36 PM
This is somewhere on the board, but here is my take again:

Dorsey has many positives within his game, so it is tough to know where to start. That said, a combination of four of his skills are what make him most impressive. Dorsey has a very rare combination of strength, acceleration, body control, and recognition. His strength is unreal. Offensive linemen consistently jolt back and struggle with balance the moment he engages them. Further, this unique strength allows him to consistently play on the other side of the line regardless of double teams. Dorsey also possesses unreal acceleration for a man of his strength and dimensions. He consistently beats opposing linemen into position, thus allowing him to gain leverage and and make a play on the ball carrier. Further, Dorsey moves extremely well and shows excellent body control, allowing him to adapt to all types of situations. Lastly among these prime positives are his read and recognition skills. He always sees the ball both against the run and the pass. This allows him to make calculated decisions in regards to whether he should rush the passer, hold his own and wait for the back, or attack the backfield to break up the run.
Dorsey also shows outstanding toughness and very little injury history. This goes hand in hand because Dorsey was the victim of an illegal chop block which would have signaled the bench at the very least for a lesser man. He played through the injury, showing his toughness. Dorsey also has an excellent build. This may come as a surprise to many because of what appears to be a rather large ***. The thing is, that *** and lower body is where the strength and acceleration comes from. Lastly, Dorsey is an explosive and talented tackler.
It is really an effort in futility to find negatives in Dorsey’s game. Really the only thing I can come up with is that he is probably 6’1 ½ to 6’2 instead of 6’4 or 6’5. That said, it really is no big deal because he likely would not have the athleticism or strength he has if he were that tall.
In essence, Dorsey is an absolute beast. He is probably the most talented and productive defensive tackle to enter the draft in fifteen years. That is not a joke. This kid is legit. He will be an instant difference maker at the next level. He projects to every defensive tackle position except nose tackle, and that is only because that would not be a good use of his talent. I still expect him to be drafted by the Miami Dolphins with the first pick and inserted immediately as their nose tackle. This makes sense because this style of 3-4 is more predicated on speed and attacking the quarterback (See Jay Ratliff). Dorsey is a perfect fit in the middle and should excel at the position for at least a decade.

JT#1
02-04-2008, 05:49 PM
This is somewhere on the board, but here is my take again:

Dorsey has many positives within his game, so it is tough to know where to start. That said, a combination of four of his skills are what make him most impressive. Dorsey has a very rare combination of strength, acceleration, body control, and recognition. His strength is unreal. Offensive linemen consistently jolt back and struggle with balance the moment he engages them. Further, this unique strength allows him to consistently play on the other side of the line regardless of double teams. Dorsey also possesses unreal acceleration for a man of his strength and dimensions. He consistently beats opposing linemen into position, thus allowing him to gain leverage and and make a play on the ball carrier. Further, Dorsey moves extremely well and shows excellent body control, allowing him to adapt to all types of situations. Lastly among these prime positives are his read and recognition skills. He always sees the ball both against the run and the pass. This allows him to make calculated decisions in regards to whether he should rush the passer, hold his own and wait for the back, or attack the backfield to break up the run.
Dorsey also shows outstanding toughness and very little injury history. This goes hand in hand because Dorsey was the victim of an illegal chop block which would have signaled the bench at the very least for a lesser man. He played through the injury, showing his toughness. Dorsey also has an excellent build. This may come as a surprise to many because of what appears to be a rather large ***. The thing is, that *** and lower body is where the strength and acceleration comes from. Lastly, Dorsey is an explosive and talented tackler.
It is really an effort in futility to find negatives in Dorsey’s game. Really the only thing I can come up with is that he is probably 6’1 ½ to 6’2 instead of 6’4 or 6’5. That said, it really is no big deal because he likely would not have the athleticism or strength he has if he were that tall.
In essence, Dorsey is an absolute beast. He is probably the most talented and productive defensive tackle to enter the draft in fifteen years. That is not a joke. This kid is legit. He will be an instant difference maker at the next level. He projects to every defensive tackle position except nose tackle, and that is only because that would not be a good use of his talent. I still expect him to be drafted by the Miami Dolphins with the first pick and inserted immediately as their nose tackle. This makes sense because this style of 3-4 is more predicated on speed and attacking the quarterback (See Jay Ratliff). Dorsey is a perfect fit in the middle and should excel at the position for at least a decade.
this

DOL-FAN92
02-04-2008, 06:00 PM
I have no idea what people see in him. Am i missing something? every game i seen him play in i did not see anything special. Some one show me a video or tell me that im wrong. Do i think hes gonna be a bust? no. i think he will be ok but hes not number 1 overall draft pick material in my opinion. Maybe im wrong. I would rather have Both LONGs.

I dont know man...I havent seen him play either except for the BCS National Title Bowl Game....he played very well,very dominating

All I can truely tell you is,If you go to NFLDraftCountDown.com(the 2nd ranked mock drafting website),it says that Glenn Dorsey is one of the best DT's to come along in recent drafts...i guess that says a lot

Boomer
02-04-2008, 06:33 PM
I have no idea what people see in him. Am i missing something? every game i seen him play in i did not see anything special. Some one show me a video or tell me that im wrong. Do i think hes gonna be a bust? no. i think he will be ok but hes not number 1 overall draft pick material in my opinion. Maybe im wrong. I would rather have Both LONGs.


Someone else who's been watching Ken Dorsey

2413fanphins
02-04-2008, 11:19 PM
there are worse things that could happen, than us drafting glenn dorsey.

trust

PerfectTeam
02-04-2008, 11:33 PM
Someone else who's been watching Ken Dorsey

very true......

2413fanphins
02-04-2008, 11:37 PM
Someone else who's been watching Ken Dorsey



he was awesome boom.











at the U

MrTree
02-05-2008, 10:58 AM
He's the best player in the draft at a position of HUGE need for us. Pretty simple reason to draft him right there.

2413fanphins
02-05-2008, 11:11 AM
He's the best player in the draft at a position of HUGE need for us. Pretty simple reason to draft him right there.



Hey bro... I think your going to find that on these boards, with some of these members, that reason is simply not good enough.


that being said, could someone please sell me on todd blythe??

MrTree
02-05-2008, 11:12 AM
Hey bro... I think your going to find that on these boards, with some of these members, that reason is simply not good enough.


that being said, could someone please sell me on todd blythe??


:lol:

Jed
02-05-2008, 06:13 PM
Other things about Dorsey:

Our biggest need is a run stopper, and that is where he fits perfectly, they won't be ripping us up the middle with him there.

His knowledge of LEVERAGE and quickness in small space is exceptional; he does not get pushed back, EVER.

Lastly, he is a leader by example. We could use some young leaders on the team on defense, and he would be an exceptional place to start.

Fullerboy
02-06-2008, 04:35 AM
Someone else who's been watching Ken Dorsey

I just dont understand how people have a opinion of a player without having any info. Ken Dorsey thats funny!!!:lol:

DownUnderFin13
02-06-2008, 05:35 AM
This is somewhere on the board, but here is my take again:

Dorsey has many positives within his game, so it is tough to know where to start. That said, a combination of four of his skills are what make him most impressive. Dorsey has a very rare combination of strength, acceleration, body control, and recognition. His strength is unreal. Offensive linemen consistently jolt back and struggle with balance the moment he engages them. Further, this unique strength allows him to consistently play on the other side of the line regardless of double teams. Dorsey also possesses unreal acceleration for a man of his strength and dimensions. He consistently beats opposing linemen into position, thus allowing him to gain leverage and and make a play on the ball carrier. Further, Dorsey moves extremely well and shows excellent body control, allowing him to adapt to all types of situations. Lastly among these prime positives are his read and recognition skills. He always sees the ball both against the run and the pass. This allows him to make calculated decisions in regards to whether he should rush the passer, hold his own and wait for the back, or attack the backfield to break up the run.
Dorsey also shows outstanding toughness and very little injury history. This goes hand in hand because Dorsey was the victim of an illegal chop block which would have signaled the bench at the very least for a lesser man. He played through the injury, showing his toughness. Dorsey also has an excellent build. This may come as a surprise to many because of what appears to be a rather large ***. The thing is, that *** and lower body is where the strength and acceleration comes from. Lastly, Dorsey is an explosive and talented tackler.
It is really an effort in futility to find negatives in Dorsey’s game. Really the only thing I can come up with is that he is probably 6’1 ½ to 6’2 instead of 6’4 or 6’5. That said, it really is no big deal because he likely would not have the athleticism or strength he has if he were that tall.
In essence, Dorsey is an absolute beast. He is probably the most talented and productive defensive tackle to enter the draft in fifteen years. That is not a joke. This kid is legit. He will be an instant difference maker at the next level. He projects to every defensive tackle position except nose tackle, and that is only because that would not be a good use of his talent. I still expect him to be drafted by the Miami Dolphins with the first pick and inserted immediately as their nose tackle. This makes sense because this style of 3-4 is more predicated on speed and attacking the quarterback (See Jay Ratliff). Dorsey is a perfect fit in the middle and should excel at the position for at least a decade.
Great post bro.

Fullerboy
02-06-2008, 11:51 AM
Great post bro.


I second that!!!

rev kev
02-06-2008, 12:08 PM
I have to admit "first time" that I would not be unhappy if we could not trade out and picked Dorsey..., I like that he does not get pushed back by Olineman... This frustrates Olineman beyond belief..., on top of his outstanding traits as duly noted..., I like the fact that he has a big bad ***... when i first saw his ht and weight I thought "no way" too small... then I saw his big bad gorgeous ***..., and now i to realize my mistake yes he can play in the trenches and he should be able to slide to the DE in the 3-4 scheme without compromize so please forgive my short-sightedness... His butt is where he can gain leverage over anything that movwes and he has ceent wingspan...

I would also add that I formed an opinion before the Jrs declared for the draft and the hoards of Jrs coming out mean that there will be spoils in the second round and first pick of day one... Rd 3...

I think we can still get some starting talent (more wide bodies) for our offensive line in the later rounds...

defensivefan
02-06-2008, 02:05 PM
I don't know much and I've only seen youtube bits but Dorsey looks explosive whereas Chris Long just looks persistent. I'd take Dorsey.

phinfan33
02-06-2008, 02:17 PM
I don't know anything about Dorsey either other than what i read on here,the only 2 games i watched of LSU was against Arkansas and McFadden just ran all over LSUs defense for 206 yards i believe and again in the National Championship game and i honestly didn't see much of Dorsey in that one. so to those of you who do know alot about him,i do read what y'all say and i educate myself.

rev kev
02-06-2008, 02:26 PM
I don't know anything about Dorsey either other than what i read on here,the only 2 games i watched of LSU was against Arkansas and McFadden just ran all over LSUs defense for 206 yards i believe and again in the National Championship game and i honestly didn't see much of Dorsey in that one. so to those of you who do know alot about him,i do read what y'all say and i educate myself.

Dorsey was not available much of that Arkansas game if i understand correct he was watching from the sidelines by the end of the game because of his knee... due to the cheap shot he received during the season...

He played efficiently well in the bowl game...

phinfan33
02-06-2008, 02:26 PM
This on Glenn Dorsey.....2007 Nagurski Award Winner (http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=1345469)
2007 Lombardi Award Winner (http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=1347032)
2007 Outland Trophy Winner (http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=1349605)
2007 Lott Award Winner (http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=1350708)
2007 Bednarik Award Finalist (http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=1322699)
2007 Consensus All-American
2007 First-Team All-American (AP, AFCA, Walter Camp Foundation, ESPN, Sporting News, CBSSports.com, SI.com, Rivals.com)
2007 SEC Defensive Player of the Year (http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=1346861) (SEC Coaches)
2007 First-Team All-SEC (SEC Coaches, AP)
2007 SEC Defensive Lineman of the Week (Sept. 22 vs. South Carolina)
2007 SEC Defensive Player of the Week (Nov. 3 vs. Alabama)
2007 SEC Community Service Team Player of the Week (Nov. 3 vs. Alabama)
2006 First-Team All-American (AP, AFCA, CBSSportsline.com, SI.com, Rivals.com)
2006 First-Team All-SEC (AP, SEC Coaches)
2006 SEC Defensive Lineman of the Week (Sept. 9 vs. Arizona)
2006 SEC Defensive Lineman of the Week (Sept. 16 vs. Auburn)

phinfan33
02-06-2008, 02:28 PM
More on Glenn Dorsey....
CAREER
The most decorated defender in LSU history as he claimed four national awards as a senior in 2007 ... Named the winner of the Nagurski, Lombardi, Outland and Lott Trophies becoming the first player in school history to win those awards ... A consensus first-team All-American he was also named the SEC Defensive Player of the Year by the league’s coaches ... Two-time First-Team All-American and All-SEC selection at defensive tackle ... Opted to return to LSU for senior season in 2007, passing up NFL Draft and being a first round pick following the 2006 season ... Played in 52 games during LSU career, starting 31 times ... Registered a total of 179 tackles, 27 tackles for losses and 13 sacks.

SENIOR SEASON (2007)
Team captain for LSU’s national championship team ... Played and started in all 14 games for the 12-2 Tigers ... Despite being double teamed, and sometimes triple teamed, most of the season he has still racked up 69 tackles, a total that included seven sacks and 12.5 tackles for loss ... Also been credited with four quarterback hurries and four broken up passes ... Played the last five games of the regular season at less than 100 percent after being the victim of a “chop and post” against Auburn on Oct. 20 ... Finally returned to full strength against Ohio State in the BCS National Championship Game and it showed, recording five tackles, a sack and forcing a fumble in the 38-24 LSU victory ... Was twice recognized by the conference office for his play ... Was named the SEC Defensive Player of the Week following the Alabama contest where he recorded a team-high seven tackles, a total that included a sack and two tackles for loss ... Was named the SEC’s Defensive Lineman of the Week following the Tigers’ win over South Carolina ... Recorded a season-high eight tackles and a sack in that contest ... Against La. Tech, had a team-high tying seven tackles .. Performance included a sack and a career-high tying three tackles for loss ... Against Florida, was credited with five tackles, a sack, a PBU and two quarterback hurries.
JUNIOR SEASON (2006)
The anchor of the Tigers’ defensive line, he was a vital component of a unit that has allowed just 97.1 rushing yards per game ... Named a first-team All-American by several publications ... Finished the season as the Tigers’ third-leading tackler with 64 stops, including 8.5 for losses and three sacks despite being double-teamed most of the year ... Was named the SEC Defensive Lineman of the Week twice during the season ... Was first recognized for his performance against Arizona where he was credited with four tackles, including 1.5 in losses ... Was then honored following the Auburn game where he registered eight tackles, including three for losses, and 1.5 sacks ... Both his TFL and sack totals against Auburn marked career highs ... Turned in a career-high 11 tackles in the Tigers’ win over Ole Miss ... Had six tackles for loss in LSU’s first three games of the year.
SOPHOMORE SEASON (2005)
Played in 13 games with one start ... Was among LSU’s four-player rotation at defensive tackle ... Played behind and learned from a pair of All-American defensive tackles in Kyle Williams and Claude Wroten ... Started only game of season in place of Wroten against North Texas ... Finished season with 28 tackles, four tackles for loss and three sacks ... Had a sack for a 4-yard loss against Tennessee and another for a 9-yard loss against Florida ... Posted a career-high 5 tackles to go with one tackle for a 1-yard loss against Vanderbilt.
FRESHMAN SEASON (2004)
Talented rookie who made an immediate impact in 2004 ... Played in all 12 games with three starts ... Recorded 18 tackles and two tackles for 4-yards in losses from defensive tackle position ... Forced a fumble on first collegiate snap vs. Oregon State ... Got first career start vs. Mississippi State and responded with five tackles and a tackle for a 3-yard loss ... Followed that with starts against Georgia and Florida ... Returned to backup role against Troy State ... Had four tackles and one tackle for a 1-yard loss against Vanderbilt.
HIGH SCHOOL

phinfan33
02-06-2008, 02:31 PM
I hope the info i posted on both Dorsey and Chris Long helps those who don't know much about either player

chillwill3000
02-06-2008, 03:17 PM
This is somewhere on the board, but here is my take again:

Dorsey has many positives within his game, so it is tough to know where to start. That said, a combination of four of his skills are what make him most impressive. Dorsey has a very rare combination of strength, acceleration, body control, and recognition. His strength is unreal. Offensive linemen consistently jolt back and struggle with balance the moment he engages them. Further, this unique strength allows him to consistently play on the other side of the line regardless of double teams. Dorsey also possesses unreal acceleration for a man of his strength and dimensions. He consistently beats opposing linemen into position, thus allowing him to gain leverage and and make a play on the ball carrier. Further, Dorsey moves extremely well and shows excellent body control, allowing him to adapt to all types of situations. Lastly among these prime positives are his read and recognition skills. He always sees the ball both against the run and the pass. This allows him to make calculated decisions in regards to whether he should rush the passer, hold his own and wait for the back, or attack the backfield to break up the run.
Dorsey also shows outstanding toughness and very little injury history. This goes hand in hand because Dorsey was the victim of an illegal chop block which would have signaled the bench at the very least for a lesser man. He played through the injury, showing his toughness. Dorsey also has an excellent build. This may come as a surprise to many because of what appears to be a rather large ***. The thing is, that *** and lower body is where the strength and acceleration comes from. Lastly, Dorsey is an explosive and talented tackler.
It is really an effort in futility to find negatives in Dorsey’s game. Really the only thing I can come up with is that he is probably 6’1 ½ to 6’2 instead of 6’4 or 6’5. That said, it really is no big deal because he likely would not have the athleticism or strength he has if he were that tall.
In essence, Dorsey is an absolute beast. He is probably the most talented and productive defensive tackle to enter the draft in fifteen years. That is not a joke. This kid is legit. He will be an instant difference maker at the next level. He projects to every defensive tackle position except nose tackle, and that is only because that would not be a good use of his talent. I still expect him to be drafted by the Miami Dolphins with the first pick and inserted immediately as their nose tackle. This makes sense because this style of 3-4 is more predicated on speed and attacking the quarterback (See Jay Ratliff). Dorsey is a perfect fit in the middle and should excel at the position for at least a decade.

I'm sold!

Fullerboy
02-06-2008, 08:30 PM
I'm sold!


So am I!!

HybridPHIN 23
02-06-2008, 09:41 PM
Dorsey is a rare gem. As is McFadden.
But... multi-talented, beast-like DTs are few and far between. And the Giants showed us how you beat pass happy teams with pocket quarterbacks...... You need a Super Freak D-line and one "hella" good blitz package. If we're to pick at #1, my choice at this point is Dorsey, with C. Long a pretty close 2nd.

Jed
02-06-2008, 11:30 PM
We are fortunate to have the coincidence of an incredible, consensus top 3 pick available to us at DT which is our area of greatest need. Watch the Super Bowl again to see how Tuck did against the run and the pass, then watch our run defense and middle pocket pressure against the pass (if there ever was a pass) in the 4th quarter of any game this year. Nuf said.

Fullerboy
02-07-2008, 12:11 AM
We are fortunate to have the coincidence of an incredible, consensus top 3 pick available to us at DT which is our area of greatest need. Watch the Super Bowl again to see how Tuck did against the run and the pass, then watch our run defense and middle pocket pressure against the pass (if there ever was a pass) in the 4th quarter of any game this year. Nuf said.


Well said Jed. I just dont understand what Miami team most people where looking at, we need high end talent when you pick that high, I like Chris Long a lot but based on our situation and where we pick it dont add up. We need a lot of impact players not servicable vets or just solid players, I would be crying if some of these posters where GMs. I have heard lots of reasons why we shouldnt pick Dorsey and till this day not one has been good enough not to pick him, he is exactly what we need, he fills our most pressing need. If we took Chris Long I would not be mad but I just dont think we got the best value with the number one overall pick basta!!!!!

VaFinFan
02-07-2008, 12:20 AM
Dorsey is going to be a dominating 3-4 DE. he brings all the attirbutes and then some of a richard seymour or micheal strahan. Anyone still think a fast tough d-line isnt important didnt watch this years super bowl. dorsey is a must pick if we keep our overal number one pick. If Ireland and crew dont take him then here we go agian. next year there will be another draft review of 08 where we screwed up and took undertaleneted for our high pick. dont get me wrong I love Ginn but Brady is going to be a monster Qb and we were dumb not to bite on him and take a reciever in the second. zlts hope this team of coaches have a clue. Im a VA boy so I support Long but I watched my Hokies weak O-line shut him down on his home turf. He is living of his last name and some good games agaisnt overated ACC teams. D Brown shut him down most of the second half. All his tackles came after substantial gains. Gratned UVA sucks so he didnt have much help hahha... I dont want Hoos on our team that much either. Be nice if we took Brown in later rounds though Sorry I got of the meaning of this thread!

Jed
02-07-2008, 12:37 AM
Well said Jed. I just dont understand what Miami team most people where looking at, we need high end talent when you pick that high, I like Chris Long a lot but based on our situation and where we pick it dont add up. We need a lot of impact players not servicable vets or just solid players, I would be crying if some of these posters where GMs. I have heard lots of reasons why we shouldnt pick Dorsey and till this day not one has been good enough not to pick him, he is exactly what we need, he fills our most pressing need. If we took Chris Long I would not be mad but I just dont think we got the best value with the number one overall pick basta!!!!!

I agree 100%. Chris Long is a great talent, no question. But Dorsey is the right pick for our Dolphins.

SgtPhin
02-07-2008, 01:26 AM
I agree 100%. Chris Long is a great talent, no question. But Dorsey is the right pick for our Dolphins.

I totally agree with your posts as to the caliber player that Dorsey is, but to me it's a toss up between he and C. Long, a win-win situation.

In your mock draft you have a minor error: Tracy Porter is a CB from Indiana, not Kansas, just thought I'd help clear that up. lol.