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PhishFanInNY
02-06-2008, 08:31 PM
http://www.wgrz.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=55137



I wonder how the fans up there are reacting

dominizzo
02-06-2008, 09:10 PM
The NfL wouldn be the same if the team locates in Canada

Buzz Killington
02-06-2008, 09:17 PM
As Dolphin fan in Toronto, I am very much in favour relocating the Bills here. It would be great to not have to drive 90 miles to see the fins once a year.

Tone_E
02-06-2008, 09:38 PM
As Dolphin fan in Toronto, I am very much in favour relocating the Bills here. It would be great to not have to drive 90 miles to see the fins once a year.

I live in Toronto as well, and DO NOT want to see an NFL team in Canada. It is an American game, and should be left that way.

Can we support a team? Depends. The Rogers Center or "Centre" as us Canadians like to spell it would be the third smallest stadium in the NFL. Also, the F'N day cops around here let you walk on the sidewalk with a beer. WTF are you gonna tailgate anyway? There is no space. We can't even support the culture of an NFL team, why go any further.

HurriPhin
02-07-2008, 01:11 AM
I'm all for the importance of history and I love the rivalry against the Bills. In fact, I have a permanent black hole of hate in my heart made especially for the Bills, but sometimes you just have to burn it down and start over. Thats what I see in Buffalo. Yes, I as well believe it is America's game, but if you talk to Goodell I'm sure he can't wait for the 1st NFL team to pop up outside the US. I just might visit ol' Toronto to see the Fins play or who knows maybe even the Super Bowl might be played in Canada sooner than we think, but trust me I would never go to Buffalo. never have never will. I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen a couple years from now.

dominizzo
02-07-2008, 01:42 AM
sad

Zeke0123
02-07-2008, 02:22 AM
The Bills have a very dedicated fan base...moving them to toronto would suck..period.

rev kev
02-07-2008, 10:49 AM
As Dolphin fan in Toronto, I am very much in favour relocating the Bills here. It would be great to not have to drive 90 miles to see the fins once a year.

Dude I'm flying TO and staying at your place..., the day of the big game :lol:

HaRdKoReXXX
02-07-2008, 12:01 PM
The Bills have a very dedicated fan base...moving them to toronto would suck..period.

I agree, I would seriously miss all those knuckleheads comin down here to all the games. The rivalry as we know it would take a huge it. (This is of course assuming all those Jills fans jump to the Giants/Jets bandwagon)
Hopefully they maintain there allegiance.

FinsNCanes
02-07-2008, 12:36 PM
I wouldn't want to see it but also wouldn't be suprised. They say Baseball is America's game (atleast was) but in reality it's far from it..

FinsNCanes
02-07-2008, 12:37 PM
The Bills have a very dedicated fan base...moving them to toronto would suck..period.

It can't be that great if they're talking of moving them.

Dolfan32323
02-07-2008, 07:08 PM
I love Toronto and think it would be exciting if the NFL expanded it's borders but the Argonauts are already pretty big there. Plus I would hate it for the fans of Buffalo if the Bills moved. Keep them in that miserable hole called Buffalo.

Buzz Killington
02-07-2008, 10:29 PM
I live in Toronto as well, and DO NOT want to see an NFL team in Canada. It is an American game, and should be left that way.

Can we support a team? Depends. The Rogers Center or "Centre" as us Canadians like to spell it would be the third smallest stadium in the NFL. Also, the F'N day cops around here let you walk on the sidewalk with a beer. WTF are you gonna tailgate anyway? There is no space. We can't even support the culture of an NFL team, why go any further.

Toronto would not be a big tail gate city, but for those who want to imbibe there are plenty of bars downtown to drink before the games.

Bring the Bills to Toronto. Plenty of NFL fans here.

Mike13
02-08-2008, 12:01 AM
Keep them in Buffalo.

ch19079
02-08-2008, 01:32 AM
If the bills ever left buffalo, I dont think i could watch football anymore.

I have no problem with the bills playing a game or 2 in Canada, if it brings in enough money to keep the bills in buffalo.

though I dont see the bills moving to canada any time soon.

Bills16Fins6
02-08-2008, 05:08 PM
As Dolphin fan in Toronto, I am very much in favour relocating the Bills here. It would be great to not have to drive 90 miles to see the fins once a year.The Bills in Toronto would suck plain and simple.

VanDolPhan
02-08-2008, 05:56 PM
I live in Toronto as well, and DO NOT want to see an NFL team in Canada. It is an American game, and should be left that way.

Can we support a team? Depends. The Rogers Center or "Centre" as us Canadians like to spell it would be the third smallest stadium in the NFL. Also, the F'N day cops around here let you walk on the sidewalk with a beer. WTF are you gonna tailgate anyway? There is no space. We can't even support the culture of an NFL team, why go any further.


What makes you think they wouldn't build a new stadium? Got 5 years to do it now and they got very very rich backers.

Nublar7
02-08-2008, 10:28 PM
I think the Bills moving to Buffalo is inevitable. Buffalo is a dying city, and a move to Toronto would skyrocket the franchise's revenue. This one game a year thing is not because Ralph Wilson likes Canada, it is because his team is failing financially in Buffalo and needs help from another area.

I think this one game a year over the next five years is the first step in moving the team. Sure they could rent a Mayflower truck and move tonight, but that would upset all the current fans in Buffalo. By slowing moving the team over the next five years, not only would you get new fans in Toronto, you may be able to keep a portion of the fans in Buffalo.

The signs are there, and unless something drastic happens, Toronto will be the new home of the Bills by 2013. Though most likely, they won't be the Bills anymore. Wouldn't make sense. It will be like when the Oilers moves to Tennessee and became the Titans or when the Browns moved to Baltimore and became the Ravens.

alen1
02-08-2008, 11:57 PM
i HATE the bills but i wouldnt want them to move anywhere but Buffalo. It would be wierd as hell and awkward.

Celtkin
02-09-2008, 12:34 AM
I vote to move all of the 'other' AFC East teams to other countries but, if given a choice, I'd opt to move them to sub-Saharan continent of Africa or someplace just as inhospitable. :woot:

CDNPHIN
02-09-2008, 12:53 AM
This "little stunt" by the bills is nothing more than a ca$h grab!And and everyone here in T.O knows it.8-games over 5 years (and 3 of 'em are preseason) is just a dying owner with a dying city going for one last score.We've already got the NBA,MLB and of course the NHL,and we'll eventually get our own NFL team with or without the city of Buffalo's blessing!This market is way to big for the NFL to keep ignoring.The NBA or MLB haven't changed because of Canadian teams and the NFL won't either.

3rdandinches
02-09-2008, 10:34 AM
If you want to kill the atmosphere, have fans doing business instead of caring what's going on the field,no tailgating, even higher prices for everything from parking to hotdogs it's a great idea.Otherwise it's a better idea to keep it in Buffalo,it's not like they can't make any money where they are maybe it's just not "enough" for poor Ralph.It truely would be a mistake bringing them here to Canada.The NFL would do well here but it's not a "religion" (and I mean without the passion that Americans have for this great sport )here, why change what's a great product in the USA just for a few more dollars.

I am Bane
02-10-2008, 02:32 AM
http://www.wgrz.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=55137



I wonder how the fans up there are reacting


I am alive and well in Bills Land!!! my friends that are Bills fans do not like the aspect of playing games in Canada. they understand they are trying to obtain more fans and revenue from the northern country, but the Bills are from Buffalo. This is where they ened to thrive. Kelly and other palyers have moved up in Buffalo to help keep the Bills in Buffalo. My friends said if Buffalo relocated to Canada (Toronto) they would become Giants fans.


think how sad it would be... NFL without the Buffalo Bills. i hate them ever so, but would hate the fact of them completely gone more than anything. Tradition, history, rivalry

I am Bane
02-10-2008, 02:34 AM
I think the Bills moving to Buffalo is inevitable. Buffalo is a dying city, and a move to Toronto would skyrocket the franchise's revenue. This one game a year thing is not because Ralph Wilson likes Canada, it is because his team is failing financially in Buffalo and needs help from another area.

I think this one game a year over the next five years is the first step in moving the team. Sure they could rent a Mayflower truck and move tonight, but that would upset all the current fans in Buffalo. By slowing moving the team over the next five years, not only would you get new fans in Toronto, you may be able to keep a portion of the fans in Buffalo.

The signs are there, and unless something drastic happens, Toronto will be the new home of the Bills by 2013. Though most likely, they won't be the Bills anymore. Wouldn't make sense. It will be like when the Oilers moves to Tennessee and became the Titans or when the Browns moved to Baltimore and became the Ravens.




yup, i agree.... i am scared of it too since i do not want it to happen.... i imed my friend like 3 hours ago, and i said exactly the same stuff you did basically..... man i dislike it.

Tone_E
02-10-2008, 11:22 AM
What makes you think they wouldn't build a new stadium? Got 5 years to do it now and they got very very rich backers.

There just isn't enough real estate. Check out google maps ore virtual earth. Unless the stadium is located somewhere in the burbs, I dont see it happening. They would more than likely try to retrofit the Rogers Centre to try to accomodate an additional 10-15K people. Even then, we dont have the parking space to tailgate, unless it is done in various pockets of the downtown district.

Still, I do not want to see an NFL team here. It just wouldn't feel right. I think we wouldn't welcome the priveledge as compared to other cities in the States. Sure, us Canadians LOVE the NFL, and would fill the stadium every week, but to many, it would be a novelty, just another Toronto team to support.

I don't know, I may change my mind, but I doubt it. At least if the Bills move to Toronto, the AFC East won't get messed up. What would happen if the Bills move to LA?

THT

CDNPHIN
02-10-2008, 04:51 PM
There just isn't enough real estate. Check out google maps ore virtual earth. Unless the stadium is located somewhere in the burbs, I dont see it happening. They would more than likely try to retrofit the Rogers Centre to try to accomodate an additional 10-15K people. Even then, we dont have the parking space to tailgate, unless it is done in various pockets of the downtown district.

Still, I do not want to see an NFL team here. It just wouldn't feel right. I think we wouldn't welcome the priveledge as compared to other cities in the States. Sure, us Canadians LOVE the NFL, and would fill the stadium every week, but to many, it would be a novelty, just another Toronto team to support.

I don't know, I may change my mind, but I doubt it. At least if the Bills move to Toronto, the AFC East won't get messed up. What would happen if the Bills move to LA?

THT

The land is already picked out Buck,along with a proposed new Casino,a new stadium is set to be built beside Woodbine.All rumour for now of course,but you have to admit its a perfect location.

Tone_E
02-10-2008, 07:17 PM
The land is already picked out Buck,along with a proposed new Casino,a new stadium is set to be built beside Woodbine.All rumour for now of course,but you have to admit its a perfect location.


Thanks for the info. Do you have a link?

I live 5 mins away from Woodbine, that would be interesting. A nice casino plus an NFL venue. Damn.

cnc66
02-10-2008, 07:22 PM
If the Buffalo Bills were to move anywhere, the name, and colors stay with Buffalo. The team would have a new name, and color scheme in the new location.

VanDolPhan
02-11-2008, 05:27 AM
If you want to kill the atmosphere, have fans doing business instead of caring what's going on the field,no tailgating, even higher prices for everything from parking to hotdogs it's a great idea.Otherwise it's a better idea to keep it in Buffalo,it's not like they can't make any money where they are maybe it's just not "enough" for poor Ralph.It truely would be a mistake bringing them here to Canada.The NFL would do well here but it's not a "religion" (and I mean without the passion that Americans have for this great sport )here, why change what's a great product in the USA just for a few more dollars.

Are you seriously from the area cause that's highly ignorant. Every cable company across Canada offers the Sunday Ticket and it sells well. 1/4th of Buffalo's home games are attended by Canadians already. There's plenty of land options for those that don't have limited imaginations.

My family alone based in Hamilton has 2 Bills fans, 3 Miami fans, a Titan fan, a Steelers fan, a Chicago fan and a K.C. fan. That's just my dad's side of the family. Toronto's also a top 15 t.v. market in North America and would get added coverage from all those time zone cable packages.

My only issue would be that it's the Bills ;)

Aqua4Ever04
02-11-2008, 06:15 AM
The Bills have a very dedicated fan base...moving them to toronto would suck..period.

The NFL needs to look back to that Monday night game against the Bills and get a look at the bleechers. I hate the Bills and their fans, but they love their team and moving them would be a bad thing for the NFL IMO.

AquaAdrenaline
02-11-2008, 09:02 AM
I live in Toronto as well, and if they can get 60,000 suckers to pay $250 CAN on avg. per ticket over the next 5 years, then they can sure as hell sell out 75,000 personal seat licences as well.

However, I think this move is a very arrogant one by Rogers and Wilson and I for one am against it. Again, I use the word "suckers" to describe the kind of customers they view Torontonian NFL fans as and this move to me is nothing but a way to make profit for Rogers. As for Wilson, this is like Torontonians paying lots of money to keep the Bills in Buffalo. If Rogers ever owned an NFL team in Toronto, I think a lot of people would remember what a jackass he was while the Bills were visiting, and there would be a big rush of people who would say, "screw this, we're going to support our own brand of Canadian football" and they're going to buy CFL tickets instead.

phunwin
02-11-2008, 09:11 AM
If the Buffalo Bills were to move anywhere, the name, and colors stay with Buffalo. The team would have a new name, and color scheme in the new location.

If the Bills left Buffalo, I don't think the NFL would grant an expansion team. For one, Goodell and the owners are plenty happy with a 32 team format. For another, the line for an expansion franchise starts with Los Angeles. Finally, it's an open question whether Buffalo can support the Bills, given that the local economy has vacillated between "stagnant" and "near-collapse" for most of the last 30 years, and I don't know that significantly sunnier days are ahead. This isn't a Cleveland situation; Cleveland's a much bigger city (and metro area) than Buffalo, and has a lot more corporate and business money to put into the team.

Buffalo's best hope for survival is to make the Bills more of a regional franchise, which means drawing heavily from Southern Ontario, which, in turn, means the occasional Toronto game. They already hold training camp here in Rochester, which helps the "regional" label.

I think there's at least a 50-50 chance that the team will be sold to Toronto-area interests upon Ralph Wilson's death. Wilson intends to leave the team to his kids, and the kids intend to sell. A consortium of local interests (perhaps headed by Tom Golisano, and involving Jim Kelly) could probably put up enough money to buy the team, but I would think that the Toronto backers (whose names escape me at the moment, but I think they own the Rogers Centre) could probably offer more.

BuffaloSoldier2
02-13-2008, 01:34 PM
I'm all for the importance of history and I love the rivalry against the Bills. In fact, I have a permanent black hole of hate in my heart made especially for the Bills, but sometimes you just have to burn it down and start over. Thats what I see in Buffalo. Yes, I as well believe it is America's game, but if you talk to Goodell I'm sure he can't wait for the 1st NFL team to pop up outside the US. I just might visit ol' Toronto to see the Fins play or who knows maybe even the Super Bowl might be played in Canada sooner than we think, but trust me I would never go to Buffalo. never have never will. I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen a couple years from now.

There's a lot of class in this thread but not in this post. You claim you never will go to Buffalo and have never ever been there? So basically you know nothing about the city or the atmosphere surrounding the team. What if I said everyone who lives in a college town past the age of 25 and isn't in grad school is a loser and needs to grow up? That would be pretty ignorant right? Well that's how your statement is.

It sucks to be part of a team that has to deal with this crap. Buffalo is a struggling city. Yet, we have sold out 90% of our games in one of the biggest stadiums in the league without covering up our seats (see the Jaguars). The team is till making serious money and is finally primed for a playoff run. If Ralph Wilson is doing this for the good of the team, then I will cheer him. But if he is setting the Bills up for a move, I hope he runs in hell and I will pss on his grave. Sorry if that's offensive but that's how strongly I fell about this. This team means more to the city than most people can understand. We haven't made the playoffs in 8 years & yet we are always amongst the top 10 in attendence. The NFL belongs in Buffalo and Buffalo deserves their yearly beating of the Fins in the snow (just kidding). :up:

BuffaloSoldier2
02-13-2008, 01:39 PM
It can't be that great if they're talking of moving them.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

AquaAdrenaline
02-14-2008, 09:04 AM
Well, Roger Goodell grew up around 50 miles of Buffalo...

ganooch
02-14-2008, 10:11 AM
It can't be that great if they're talking of moving them.


Wrong. Just ask the Colts' fans in Blatimore and the Browns fans in Cleveland. THer support was never in question but their owners moved them.

maybe the NFl should tweek the rule on community ownership and see if the citizens of Buffalo are really interested in buying them as do the fans of the Packers. Buffalo is definately not the same city it was 40 years ago but it is an original AFL franchise and should stay where they are as long as the fans keep coming!

Iroquois Joe
02-14-2008, 11:57 AM
Well, Roger Goodell grew up around 50 miles of Buffalo...
What keeps Buffalo down?
Prime boarder location, excellent transportaion network, rail, road and water, one of the last undeveloped water fronts for a major city, beautiful natural location.
Doesn't make sense why there is no big investment there. But then the same thing can be said about Detroit.

AquaAdrenaline
02-15-2008, 09:16 AM
I think the Toronto people might have just shot themselves in the foot because like you said, the Buffalo people will rally around the team and somehow, someway, that they'll gather up the funds to win the auction after Wilson dies and the team will stay. But by then, teams around the NFL like the Saints or the Jaguars who might have looked to Toronto as a possible relocation site up until this press conference last week, will acknowledge Toronto as part of the Bills territory and not dare to infringe onto it, therefore Toronto gets no team.

I am Bane
02-17-2008, 09:13 PM
Wrong. Just ask the Colts' fans in Blatimore and the Browns fans in Cleveland. THer support was never in question but their owners moved them.

maybe the NFl should tweek the rule on community ownership and see if the citizens of Buffalo are really interested in buying them as do the fans of the Packers. Buffalo is definately not the same city it was 40 years ago but it is an original AFL franchise and should stay where they are as long as the fans keep coming!


when Art Modell moved Cleveland to Baltimore i was so angry. Cleveland has possibly the bestest fans in the whole league. they live and die by their football. i loved the dog pound since iwas a kid. loved walking through the stadium as a kid, standing where big dog thompson stood (too bad it was summer and i couldnt see a game).... its a great city for football.

the city tried everything to raise money, petition, whatever to keep Modell from moving the Browns. the city even offered proposals for a new stadium (ones that Modell basically turned down himself)... he wanted more luxury boxes and more money basically. so Modell ripped the heart of Cleveland and took them out. I hope that Buffalo isn't preparing to do the same. it'll be sad to see something like that again.