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xMChemicalRx
02-07-2008, 05:44 PM
So the seasons change and new champions are born. Congrats to the Giants (I love the giants now lol). So I wanted to post this thread to point out an obvious mistake on Roger Goodell's part, he sends this message out on the loudspeaker...

If you cheat in the NFL you'll get fined, forfeit your 1st draft pick but you'll still be declared the winner of the game.

but yet...

If you cheat in school you get a F.

The Pats should have started their season 0-1. I'm so happy the Pats didn't win the Super Bowl. I guess cheaters really don't ever prosper. =)

Am I the only one that thinks Pats should have started 0-1?

xMChemicalRx
02-07-2008, 05:52 PM
I added a new poll feel free to tell everyone what you think

NJFINSFAN1
02-07-2008, 05:54 PM
I had no problem with what happened. I thought maybe another pick, but I'm fine with what Goodell dished out for Sygate 1

dolfan4good
02-07-2008, 05:59 PM
If Spygate 2 is actually true and it turns out they taped the Rams final wlakthru before that SB, should they be stripped of that championship as well? I say a resounding "YES"!

AltSpgsFinFan
02-07-2008, 05:59 PM
I agree. They should have been penalized a win. If the cheating helped them win a game, then the punishment should have been in kind. The fine was just chump-change to them anyways.

NJFINSFAN1
02-07-2008, 06:00 PM
Do any of you think the Jets would have won the game? I don't.

Dfan06
02-07-2008, 06:02 PM
I just want to see them fall and fall hard lol. As far as receiving a loss or taking the Superbowls away from them I think not. I just want see some more controversy and a pats fall out.

Miami 13
02-07-2008, 06:02 PM
Do any of you think the Jets would have won the game? I don't.
Millions of people didn't think the Giants would win either.

NJFINSFAN1
02-07-2008, 06:08 PM
Millions of people didn't think the Giants would win either.


OH please, we are talking about a team in the Superbowl and a 4-12 team.

Roman529
02-07-2008, 06:12 PM
Even though I hate the Jets, a forfeit by the Pats to the Jets would have been appropriate. I also hope Belichick gets a year vacation (unpaid) if anything more comes out about videotaping the Ram's walk through or other incidents.

Jt0323
02-07-2008, 06:19 PM
They had a Perfect Regular season. I dont think they deserve a loss against the jets. While they had a perfect regular season it means NOTHING without the superbowl ring. to me the pats remind me of the yankees. They where the team to beat. No one thought they could lose a championship, then in 2001 they lost to the dimondbacks and they started their slump. I think the pats are about to start their slump!

phinphever
02-07-2008, 06:25 PM
If they find anymore evidence of cheating, Bellicheater should be banned from the nfl.
Also draft picks and salary cap restrictions.
Not sure about superbowls? But I am open to the idea.

KippyIA1354
02-07-2008, 06:37 PM
My problem with the GOODELL punishment is he knew the Patriots had acquired another draft pick in the upcoming 2008 NFL draft via the 49ers. I believe he should have taken away the higher pick(49ers), which in this case would have been the 7th pick this year. C'mon punishment would be felt if they took away that 7th pick instead of 31st. Now you are talking about the team that was in the Super bowl, got caught cheating, and now will get an impact player at 7th in the first round!!!Helping out his buddy Robert Kraft. I think that's an under statement!!:shakeno:

giovafin
02-07-2008, 07:06 PM
I totally agree with KippyIA1354, The league should have taken away their higher pick. That wasn't enough punishment for a cheater team, or bellichick's* ethics.

Money and a 31st pick??:err: C'mon, they can afford that.

MR NFLFAN
02-08-2008, 12:00 AM
I agree. They should have been penalized a win. If the cheating helped them win a game, then the punishment should have been in kind. The fine was just chump-change to them anyways.


If the cheating helped them win a game,

That one line answers the question. The jets tape was confiscated at end of the first half, it was never seen by Belichick of any of the other coaches so nothing illegally video taped could have been used to gain an advantage. The act of video taping was breaking the rules and using that tape to gain an unfair advantage would have been cheating. In the same instance there should be some evidence/proof that any illegal tape caused an unfair advantage. The fact that you broke the video tape rule doesn't prove diddly about what its use was or even if it was ever used at all.
Also where do you draw the pre 07 limit? 2 yrs 5 yrs and if someone else drags out proof of another team breaking the rules in the past should they also be open to investigation? What about Jimmy Johnson and his personal admittal which amounts to a plea of guilty? Shouldn't we also open an investigation into all things Jimmy Johnson? Maybe we can get Arlen Specter to investigate back to 1960 and really get to the bottom of all this? Wouldn't that be a king size pissing match.
My point is Goodell doesn't want to drag this out its not good for the league or the $$$ machine especially where he already stated he (the league) has known this has been going on league wide for years. He wants it over and put to rest.


2nd
The fine (3/4 of a mill) ...plus the loss of any first rd pick wasn't exactly "chump change" as you say. Any 1st round pick is a high price to pay even the 31st. I think for what the commisioner had it was enough.

xMChemicalRx
02-08-2008, 12:51 AM
I guess some points you make are valid. I Originally thought that the tape was used for their advantage. Apparently it wasn't. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

COMEBACKRICKY
02-08-2008, 02:24 AM
Yeah, it doesnt make sense that they wouldnt receive a loss but once people realized that this team had a chance to go perfect in the regular season, they tried the best to keep it that way (ravens game anyone??) The NFL was just trying to make as much money off the pats run as they could, and they sure as hell succeeded. Wasnt the giants-NE regular season game one of, if not the highest rated regular season game ever?

The league will slowly let this die.. they will not bring it up again. Its not in their economic or moral interest to do so.

Carlito 305
02-08-2008, 04:51 AM
i think the tapes are just the tip of the pats cheatin ways. but it dosnt matter now :D

Jt0323
02-08-2008, 05:08 AM
one word. KARMA.

Choose another name pls
02-09-2008, 01:06 PM
18-- wins
1-- GIANT loss

First you got caught, yeah everybody probably does it, but do they get caught NO.
then, Belicheat chose to flirt with destiny by not resting his starters back when they had nothing more to play for, nah they weren't trying for the Perfect Season it was just one game at a time.

Would you Patriots fans give up one or two games for a Super Bowl win instead??
If your going to try and make history, make sure your on the right side of it when it's said and done. Your not.

Perfect ending to your Perfect season

nephinsfan
02-14-2008, 07:09 PM
If the cheating helped them win a game,

That one line answers the question. The jets tape was confiscated at end of the first half, it was never seen by Belichick of any of the other coaches so nothing illegally video taped could have been used to gain an advantage. The act of video taping was breaking the rules and using that tape to gain an unfair advantage would have been cheating. In the same instance there should be some evidence/proof that any illegal tape caused an unfair advantage. The fact that you broke the video tape rule doesn't prove diddly about what its use was or even if it was ever used at all.
Also where do you draw the pre 07 limit? 2 yrs 5 yrs and if someone else drags out proof of another team breaking the rules in the past should they also be open to investigation? What about Jimmy Johnson and his personal admittal which amounts to a plea of guilty? Shouldn't we also open an investigation into all things Jimmy Johnson? Maybe we can get Arlen Specter to investigate back to 1960 and really get to the bottom of all this? Wouldn't that be a king size pissing match.
My point is Goodell doesn't want to drag this out its not good for the league or the $$$ machine especially where he already stated he (the league) has known this has been going on league wide for years. He wants it over and put to rest.


2nd
The fine (3/4 of a mill) ...plus the loss of any first rd pick wasn't exactly "chump change" as you say. Any 1st round pick is a high price to pay even the 31st. I think for what the commisioner had it was enough.


Spoken like a true patsy fan who cannot come to terms with the fact that his team will forever be tarnished and thier success questioned from now til the end of time. Taping since 2000. Wonder what the reaction would be if the pats lost the SB to the Rams and it came out that the Eagles were under investigation for taping the pats walk through. hmmmmmm.......

Agua
02-14-2008, 08:05 PM
i think the tapes are just the tip of the pats cheatin ways. but it dosnt matter now :D


Yes, it DOES matter now. Pats* have been cheating and doing this crap since 2000. Thank how much improper info they've acquired over the years from just taping every team's signals (nevermind, they've probably done a LOT more stuff we know nothing about). With that kind of competitive advantage, they need to run every one of the coaches and assistants at NE out of the NFL. No ifs, ands, or buts. They can never be allowed to come back.