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defensivefan
02-08-2008, 03:01 PM
Mel Kiper: (on 8th Feb) "When you look at his explosiveness, how tough he is and his leadership are all huge assets to any defense. He's to the DT spot what Ray Lewis is to the MLB spot. In terms of energy and enthusiasm and making everyone around him better. He played through that injury this year. He's a great character guy. He's passionate about the game. I think the world of Dorsey."

He also said that the Dolphins ought to take Ryan if they are not sold on Beck.

Charlie Brown
02-08-2008, 03:06 PM
Glenn Dorsey would be a huge upgrade and would make a imediate impact on the defence.

Beck deserves a fair chance

Spray Mucus
02-08-2008, 03:11 PM
Unless the combines and pro days prove other wise Dorsey is my number one fav for the #1 pick. It's a huge need for us and he's one of the best DT prospect to come out in many many years.

However I think Ireland/BP might take C. Long over Dorsey.

MrTree
02-08-2008, 03:11 PM
Mel Kiper: (on 8th Feb) "He's to the DT spot what Ray Lewis is to the MLB spot."


Great comparison.

phinfan33
02-08-2008, 03:15 PM
Dorsey could very well be the next Warren Sapp,and probably will be,but i'm just not sold on him. if we draft defensively first,i'd rather take Chris Long if we get a chance at him. me personally,i'm a Defensive End guy more than i am a DT guy,but again,that's just me.

MrTree
02-08-2008, 03:18 PM
Dorsey could very well be the next Warren Sapp,and probably will be,but i'm just not sold on him. if we draft defensively first,i'd rather take Chris Long if we get a chance at him. me personally,i'm a Defensive End guy more than i am a DT guy,but again,that's just me.


I don't think it is wise to draft a position rather than a player. C Long is phenomenal...Dorsey is better.

Top notch player at a position of need. I've come around to the opinion that at#1 anyone but Dorsey is a mistake.

Roman529
02-08-2008, 03:20 PM
It all depends whether or not we can trade down....I think Sedrick Ellis is just as good, and we could get him in the #5 to #7 spot, plus maybe an extra pick. That's why I hope we trade down.

MrTree
02-08-2008, 03:22 PM
It all depends whether or not we can trade down....I think Sedrick Elliss is just as good, and we could get him in the #5 to #7 spot, plus maybe an extra pick. That's why I hope we trade down.


I'm sorry but in no way is Sedrick Ellis just as good. His one great game in a senior bowl does not undo Dorsey's superior body of work. Dorsey is an incredible once in a decade, if that, prospect for his position. Ellis is just a good early first round pick. That's a world of difference.

Spray Mucus
02-08-2008, 03:24 PM
I'm sorry but in no way is Sedrick Ellis just as good. His one great game in a senior bowl does not undo Dorsey's superior body of work. Dorsey is an incredible once in a decade, if that, prospect for his position. Ellis is just a good early first round pick. That's a world of difference.

+1 :up:

Roman, you're not allowed to have an opinion anymore.

Roman529
02-08-2008, 03:29 PM
+1 :up:

Roman, you're not allowed to have an opinion anymore.

:hi5: That's ok....

I just happen to watch alot of PAC-10 games and I have seen what Ellis has done, and not just in the Senior bowl. But these other guys can go ahead and spend Ferrari money on a Cadillac and then have buyer's remorse later on when Ellis has just as good an NFL career as Dorsey. :lol:

Spray Mucus
02-08-2008, 03:32 PM
:hi5: That's ok....

I just happen to watch alot of PAC-10 games and I have seen what Ellis has done, and not just in the Senior bowl. But these other guys can go ahead and spend Ferrari money on a Cadillac and then have buyer's remorse later on when Ellis has just as good an NFL career as Dorsey. :lol:

is that opinion or fact?

MrTree
02-08-2008, 03:34 PM
+1 :up:

Roman, you're not allowed to have an opinion anymore.

:lol:

I just am tired of all of the Ellis is equal to Dorsey balogna. Ellis is a good player and if we trade down and nab him then that is fine...but he is in no way "as good" as Dorsey. We do take a trade down in value as well by nabbing him.

Roman529
02-08-2008, 03:35 PM
is that opinion or fact?

That's the fact Jack!!! Take a look:

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

MrTree
02-08-2008, 03:37 PM
:hi5: That's ok....

I just happen to watch alot of PAC-10 games and I have seen what Ellis has done, and not just in the Senior bowl. But these other guys can go ahead and spend Ferrari money on a Cadillac and then have buyer's remorse later on when Ellis has just as good an NFL career as Dorsey. :lol:


Trust me I've watched a TON of Ellis too.

He isn't Dorsey.

He doesn't display the same use of leverage. He can't wedge himself into spaces and use the linemen's body against them as well as Dorsey does. He is quick, but doesn't have the phenomenal burst of Dorsey either. The most important factor is he is not a facillitator. Dorsey commands so much attention from an offensive line that he makes the job easier for at least one guy and sometimes two on EVERY play. Ellis is quite often isolated against a single blocker.

Dorsey is a freak. Ellis merely good.

Roman529
02-08-2008, 03:42 PM
Trust me I've watched a TON of Ellis too.

He isn't Dorsey.

He doesn't display the same use of leverage. He can't wedge himself into spaces and use the linemen's body against them as well as Dorsey does. He is quick, but doesn't have the phenomenal burst of Dorsey either. The most important factor is he is not a facillitator. Dorsey commands so much attention from an offensive line that he makes the job easier for at least one guy and sometimes two on EVERY play. Ellis is quite often isolated against a single blocker.

Dorsey is a freak. Ellis merely good.

Don't get me wrong...I really like Dorsey, but Ellis is Warren Sapp Junior....he just throws off Centers and O-lineman. He lines up sideays between the Center and Guards and once the ball is snapped he is in the backfield before he can be touched. He is much quicker than Dorsey. I know Dorsey is bigger and has a bigger upper body, but I just like what I have seen in Ellis. Spray agrees with me Mr. Tree. :lol:

Spray Mucus
02-08-2008, 03:44 PM
Trust me I've watched a TON of Ellis too.

He isn't Dorsey.

He doesn't display the same use of leverage. He can't wedge himself into spaces and use the linemen's body against them as well as Dorsey does. He is quick, but doesn't have the phenomenal burst of Dorsey either. The most important factor is he is not a facillitator. Dorsey commands so much attention from an offensive line that he makes the job easier for at least one guy and sometimes two on EVERY play. Ellis is quite often isolated against a single blocker.


Beeing from Southern California USC games are on all the time... Ellis is good, very good, but not nearly as special as Dorsey. Ellis benefited from a very good surrounding cast as well... Jackson, Rivers, R. Mauler, and the other USC DT Maola (sp?) was no slouch either.

like mr. Tree said


Dorsey is a freak. Ellis merely good

MrTree
02-08-2008, 03:44 PM
Don't get me wrong...I really like Dorsey, but Ellis is Warren Sapp Junior....he just throws off Centers and O-lineman. He lines up sideays between the Center and Guards and once the ball is snapped he is in the backfield before he can be touched. He is much quicker than Dorsey. I know Dorsey is bigger and has a bigger upper body, but I just like what I have seen in Ellis. Spray agrees with me Mr. Tree. :lol:


Well then you're both wrong! Ellis is not faster than Dorsey. Dorsey's explosion is outstanding. Ellis is more quick than fast and doesn't rock back the guard at initial contact like Dorsey.

Sorry but Ellis is not the prospect that Dorsey is...it really isn't even close.

MrTree
02-08-2008, 03:45 PM
Beeing from Southern California USC games are on all the time... Ellis is good, very good, but not nearly as special as Dorsey. Ellis benefited from a very good surrounding cast as well... Jackson, Rivers, R. Mauler, and the other USC DT Maola (sp?) was no slouch either.

like mr. Tree said


Hehe, I'm afraid Spray agrees with me Roman! :lol:

Roman529
02-08-2008, 03:47 PM
Beeing from Southern California USC games are on all the time... Ellis is good, very good, but not nearly as special as Dorsey. Ellis benefited from a very good surrounding cast as well... Jackson, Rivers, R. Mauler, and the other USC DT Maola (sp?) was no slouch either.

like mr. Tree said

:ninja:

Spray Mucus
02-08-2008, 03:49 PM
:ninja:

Even if Ellis had nun chucks he;s still not better then Dorsey.

Roman529
02-08-2008, 03:54 PM
Even if Ellis had nun chucks he;s still not better then Dorsey.

I didn't get to see as many of LSU's games so I am not as familiar with Dorsey as I am with Ellis. Hopefully they will both get a good evaluation at the combines, along with Chris Long, and then we will have a D-lineman that can start for us for the next ten years. :woot:

lbmclean_sj
02-08-2008, 04:03 PM
I've said it before, but if Sparano really wants to fit the system to the players then he should draft Dorsey and Laws and play the 4-3

I swear it would be instant defense. these 2 guys together with JT at RE and Joey Porter? sick, unblockable

MrTree
02-08-2008, 04:10 PM
I've said it before, but if Sparano really wants to fit the system to the players then he should draft Dorsey and Laws and play the 4-3

I swear it would be instant defense. these 2 guys together with JT at RE and Joey Porter? sick, unblockable


That may be what happens. I don't think we will be as gung ho full time 3-4 as it is taken for granted we will.

MrTree
02-08-2008, 04:11 PM
I didn't get to see as many of LSU's games so I am not as familiar with Dorsey as I am with Ellis. Hopefully they will both get a good evaluation at the combines, along with Chris Long, and then we will have a D-lineman that can start for us for the next ten years. :woot:

:beer1: Here's to that.


And as Boomer stated earlier...Dorsey is going to be SICK at the combine. His cone drills will have scouts drooling.

lbmclean_sj
02-08-2008, 04:14 PM
That may be what happens. I don't think we will be as gung ho full time 3-4 as it is taken for granted we will.

NT's are so scarce that is makes it hard to justify.

you are lucky if you have a good NT and then you have to hope that he doesn't get hurt

adamprez2003
02-08-2008, 04:51 PM
Even if Ellis had nun chucks he;s still not better then Dorsey.

I would pay to see that sport. Football with weapons:lol: We would have to have 500 man rosters but sign me up:D

zodiak
02-09-2008, 08:51 AM
I'm of the opinion that Dorsey is better than Ellis BUT niether are for Miami "if"
the phins play 3-4.