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rmp1515
02-09-2008, 02:41 AM
What do you guys think about drafting Matt Ryan with the #1 overall pick?

I would def draft him with the first pick if we cant trade down (and stay within the top 10 picks). I mean John Beck didnt show us enough last year for us to just rely on him for next year and Matt Ryan is the kind of QB that could be a franchise QB. Every team that made it to the playoffs this year has a franchise QB and without one I dont see us climbing out of the whole we're in or being much better than .500.

I am not saying lets give up on Beck but he was not very impressive last year and if we're going to keep the #1 overall pick than we should draft Ryan, or at the very least Mcfadden. I just think Ryan has a much higher ceiling than Beck, meaning he has alot more potential and the probability of being a good to great NFL QB. Not to mention that Beck is turning 27.

What are your thoughts?

#1dolphinsfan
02-09-2008, 02:45 AM
I dont like the Idea of Taking a QB with the First pick in the Draft i think there are alot of good QBs in the draft and i think that we could get Andre' Woodson in the 2nd or maybe the 3rd round(if he Falls) and we can get him to be a good QB if we have the Right Coachs to coach him Into an NFL starter i think there are much bigger needs then QB on our team i would much rather pick up Glenn Dorsey, or Chris long with the First overall pick

DefensiveEnd76
02-09-2008, 02:47 AM
What do you guys think about drafting Matt Ryan with the #1 overall pick?

I would def draft him with the first pick if we cant trade down (and stay within the top 10 picks). I mean John Beck didnt show us enough last year for us to just rely on him for next year and Matt Ryan is the kind of QB that could be a franchise QB. Every team that made it to the playoffs this year has a franchise QB and without one I dont see us climbing out of the whole we're in or being much better than .500.

I am not saying lets give up on Beck but he was not very impressive last year and if we're going to keep the #1 overall pick than we should draft Ryan, or at the very least Mcfadden. I just think Ryan has a much higher ceiling than Beck, meaning he has alot more potential and the probability of being a good to great NFL QB. Not to mention that Beck is turning 27.

What are your thoughts?


ABSOLUTELY NO!!!! :shakeno:

ticophin
02-09-2008, 03:05 AM
What do you guys think about drafting Matt Ryan with the #1 overall pick?

I would def draft him with the first pick if we cant trade down (and stay within the top 10 picks). I mean John Beck didnt show us enough last year for us to just rely on him for next year and Matt Ryan is the kind of QB that could be a franchise QB. Every team that made it to the playoffs this year has a franchise QB and without one I dont see us climbing out of the whole we're in or being much better than .500.

I am not saying lets give up on Beck but he was not very impressive last year and if we're going to keep the #1 overall pick than we should draft Ryan, or at the very least Mcfadden. I just think Ryan has a much higher ceiling than Beck, meaning he has alot more potential and the probability of being a good to great NFL QB. Not to mention that Beck is turning 27.

What are your thoughts?


And how did all of those Qbs do in their first year? Any better than Beck? Favre wasnt even valued in Atlanta...

TotoreMexico
02-09-2008, 03:15 AM
What do you guys think about drafting Matt Ryan with the #1 overall pick?

I would def draft him with the first pick if we cant trade down (and stay within the top 10 picks). I mean John Beck didnt show us enough last year for us to just rely on him for next year and Matt Ryan is the kind of QB that could be a franchise QB. Every team that made it to the playoffs this year has a franchise QB and without one I dont see us climbing out of the whole we're in or being much better than .500.

I am not saying lets give up on Beck but he was not very impressive last year and if we're going to keep the #1 overall pick than we should draft Ryan, or at the very least Mcfadden. I just think Ryan has a much higher ceiling than Beck, meaning he has alot more potential and the probability of being a good to great NFL QB. Not to mention that Beck is turning 27.

What are your thoughts?

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And hell no to drafting Ryan #1 overall

Colorado Dolfan
02-09-2008, 03:18 AM
No(!) to any offensive player with the first overall.

Shore up the defense or it's not going to matter how many points you score.

malzacher
02-09-2008, 03:24 AM
Oh man!! what the hell are you thinking. Matt Ryan?? What gives you the idea that he can be a franchise qb??? Because he played for Boston College lol? He has yet to take an NFL snap, He will be in the same position as beck 2 years from now. Give Beck some time. Just because he is 27 years old does not mean he is any different than a 22 year old rookie. He is on the same level as say a ELi Manning or a Brady Quinn As a rookie. Except he has more playing time than Brady, I bet if we had drafted Quinn, you all will be saying the same thing. what i am saying is that age doesnt matter. These posts are bull **** and pointless. Maybe you draft a Flacco in the second or third round, But i Guatantee that if We DO NOT trade out, then we do in deed take GFlenn Dorsey. Defense Wins Championchips. Just ask NY Giants!!!!














What do you guys think about drafting Matt Ryan with the #1 overall pick?

I would def draft him with the first pick if we cant trade down (and stay within the top 10 picks). I mean John Beck didnt show us enough last year for us to just rely on him for next year and Matt Ryan is the kind of QB that could be a franchise QB. Every team that made it to the playoffs this year has a franchise QB and without one I dont see us climbing out of the whole we're in or being much better than .500.

I am not saying lets give up on Beck but he was not very impressive last year and if we're going to keep the #1 overall pick than we should draft Ryan, or at the very least Mcfadden. I just think Ryan has a much higher ceiling than Beck, meaning he has alot more potential and the probability of being a good to great NFL QB. Not to mention that Beck is turning 27.

What are your thoughts?

sceeto
02-09-2008, 03:37 AM
What do you guys think about drafting Matt Ryan with the #1 overall pick?

I would def draft him with the first pick if we cant trade down (and stay within the top 10 picks). I mean John Beck didnt show us enough last year for us to just rely on him for next year and Matt Ryan is the kind of QB that could be a franchise QB. Every team that made it to the playoffs this year has a franchise QB and without one I dont see us climbing out of the whole we're in or being much better than .500.

I am not saying lets give up on Beck but he was not very impressive last year and if we're going to keep the #1 overall pick than we should draft Ryan, or at the very least Mcfadden. I just think Ryan has a much higher ceiling than Beck, meaning he has alot more potential and the probability of being a good to great NFL QB. Not to mention that Beck is turning 27.

What are your thoughts?
Dude. Did you see the team and coaching John Beck had around him? Oline: Gave him no time at all. Did you see him having a lot of time in the pocket in order to learn how go through all his correct reads and progressions? Receivers: How many drops did you see?...enough said, though there were some bright spots like T. Ginn towards the end. Defense: as a whole sucked, couldn't stop anyone and give him more opportunities. I could go on but too late, too tired....=)

The Ghost
02-09-2008, 07:23 AM
no need to worry, this would never happen.

DeDolfan
02-09-2008, 08:17 AM
What do you guys think about drafting Matt Ryan with the #1 overall pick?

I would def draft him with the first pick if we cant trade down (and stay within the top 10 picks). I mean John Beck didnt show us enough last year for us to just rely on him for next year and Matt Ryan is the kind of QB that could be a franchise QB. Every team that made it to the playoffs this year has a franchise QB and without one I dont see us climbing out of the whole we're in or being much better than .500.

I am not saying lets give up on Beck but he was not very impressive last year and if we're going to keep the #1 overall pick than we should draft Ryan, or at the very least Mcfadden. I just think Ryan has a much higher ceiling than Beck, meaning he has alot more potential and the probability of being a good to great NFL QB. Not to mention that Beck is turning 27.

What are your thoughts?

I wouldn't take any of these QBs with the 1st pick. If we're going to garb another QB this year, IMO, let it be Flacco in the 2nd.

adamprez2003
02-09-2008, 08:44 AM
absolutely yes. even if beck succeeds, Ryan will be a huge upgrade over him. Never pass up a franchise QB to take a NT or OLB

Lab3003
02-09-2008, 08:51 AM
What makes you think Matt Ryan is a franchise QB? I saw him play and he's not better then Andre Woodson. If the Dolphins take anyone it's likely Chad Henne, QB Michigan, in 2nd/3rd or they'll spend a low draft pick on Joe Flacco, QB Delaware.

The FO has let it be known they're committed to John Beck and helping him become a better QB. David Lee, QB coach, will help him tremendously in that regard. In addition to that, however, they will not (if they're prudent) allow the worrisome QB depth to go unaddressed. So I expect them to take QB but I won't take that as an omission that John Beck is a mistake.

DeDolfan
02-09-2008, 09:33 AM
absolutely yes. even if beck succeeds, Ryan will be a huge upgrade over him. Never pass up a franchise QB to take a NT or OLB

If Beck succeeds, then how would Ryan be an upgrade then? For the sake of an argument, IMO, succeeding would be to achieve what he was drafted for and that was to be our future [franchise] QB. If Ryan is an upgrade, then that would mean Beck didn't succeed other than just making the roster. Besides, i wouldn't bet too much on Ryan anyway. He didn't exactly step up big in his bowl game.

adamprez2003
02-09-2008, 09:42 AM
What makes you think Matt Ryan is a franchise QB? I saw him play and he's not better then Andre Woodson. If the Dolphins take anyone it's likely Chad Henne, QB Michigan, in 2nd/3rd or they'll spend a low draft pick on Joe Flacco, QB Delaware.

The FO has let it be known they're committed to John Beck and helping him become a better QB. David Lee, QB coach, will help him tremendously in that regard. In addition to that, however, they will not (if they're prudent) allow the worrisome QB depth to go unaddressed. So I expect them to take QB but I won't take that as an omission that John Beck is a mistake.

What makes me think he's a franchise QB? I have seen about 8 of his games this year. He can make all of the throws, is big, has guts, has decent mobility. Everything you need to succeed at the next level. He blows Woodson away. Woodson's stock is dropping like a stone. He's no longer considered a first rounder anymore and may drop as far as 3rd round due to the hitch in his delivery

Actually, I agree with you that if they pass on Ryan, Henne and Flacco are the most likely candidates. Actually the Fronty Office has sent mixed signals regarding Beck. They have made it known at the Senior Bowl that drafting a QB is a priority. It seems what they want is a competition. I think David Lee was brought in to train the rookie QB more than Beck who I think has only one year to show what he can do.

I'm Certainly not writing Beck off but there are no more free rides for him

adamprez2003
02-09-2008, 09:46 AM
If Beck succeeds, then how would Ryan be an upgrade then? For the sake of an argument, IMO, succeeding would be to achieve what he was drafted for and that was to be our future [franchise] QB. If Ryan is an upgrade, then that would mean Beck didn't succeed other than just making the roster. Besides, i wouldn't bet too much on Ryan anyway. He didn't exactly step up big in his bowl game.

I dont think Beck will ever be a franchise QB though he could develop into an average one. Ryan's upside is that of a top ten QB IMO, like Eli, Rivers and Roethlisberger. At worst Ryan will be Matt Schaub.

Phins28
02-09-2008, 09:59 AM
What makes you think Matt Ryan is a franchise QB? I saw him play and he's not better then Andre Woodson. If the Dolphins take anyone it's likely Chad Henne, QB Michigan, in 2nd/3rd or they'll spend a low draft pick on Joe Flacco, QB Delaware.

The FO has let it be known they're committed to John Beck and helping him become a better QB. David Lee, QB coach, will help him tremendously in that regard. In addition to that, however, they will not (if they're prudent) allow the worrisome QB depth to go unaddressed. So I expect them to take QB but I won't take that as an omission that John Beck is a mistake.

Andre Woodson is overated and John Beck is a turnover machine, so yes you take Matt Ryan with the 1 one pick.

DeDolfan
02-09-2008, 10:51 AM
I dont think Beck will ever be a franchise QB though he could develop into an average one. Ryan's upside is that of a top ten QB IMO, like Eli, Rivers and Roethlisberger. At worst Ryan will be Matt Schaub.

With that being the case, that would mean that Beck did not succeed then.

IMO, this is not a good draft year for QBs, well, the typical early 1st rnd ones we usually see. I believe that is the reason Ryan is rated as high as he is. Fortunately, we have a slew of other problems that we don't have to use the pick n a QB. For whatever it's worth, I just don't feel that Ryan is what we're looking for either. i still say take Flacco later if we must draft another QB. the dude is huge, biggest in the draft with the best arm, no doubt. We need to be able to use Ginn's speed more downfield and this past year, no one could even make those throws. Anyone can throw a short slant, etc.

NorFlaFin
02-09-2008, 10:52 AM
And how did all of those Qbs do in their first year? Any better than Beck? Favre wasnt even valued in Atlanta...

Farve drank(partied) his way out of Atlanta, old news.

JsBaugh
02-09-2008, 11:05 AM
Even if they draft Ryan he wouldn't take a snap for at least a year. Those that want Ryan don't comprehend the financial obligation to the #1 pick. For $35m they need to make an impact right away and lets face it, Ryan is a project, not a day 1 starter. Ryan is not that much better than Brohm, Flacco or Henne which can be had for a lot less money. Only upside Ryan has over Beck is height which means very little and not worth the extra money.

JsBaugh
02-09-2008, 11:07 AM
Andre Woodson is overated and John Beck is a turnover machine, so yes you take Matt Ryan with the 1 one pick.

Yea and Ryan really takes care of the ball. :sidelol:

Casas9425
02-09-2008, 11:30 AM
matt ryan and brian brohm are the only 2 qb's in this draft that may be worth anything. henne is too small and andre woodson has a dreadful release. the only qb's that may be an upgrade over beck are ryan and brohm

jim1
02-09-2008, 12:27 PM
What makes me think he's a franchise QB? I have seen about 8 of his games this year. He can make all of the throws, is big, has guts, has decent mobility. Everything you need to succeed at the next level. He blows Woodson away. Woodson's stock is dropping like a stone. He's no longer considered a first rounder anymore and may drop as far as 3rd round due to the hitch in his delivery

Actually, I agree with you that if they pass on Ryan, Henne and Flacco are the most likely candidates. Actually the Fronty Office has sent mixed signals regarding Beck. They have made it known at the Senior Bowl that drafting a QB is a priority. It seems what they want is a competition. I think David Lee was brought in to train the rookie QB more than Beck who I think has only one year to show what he can do.

I'm Certainly not writing Beck off but there are no more free rides for him

Beck doesn't need a free ride. He was a rookie playing playing on a crappy team and he didn't impress, but I expect a quantum leap by him next year. They need to draft a QB- I expect Henne or Flacco to be considered in #2b
and #3.

This is a tough one, though- Ryan is damn good. I just have faith in Beck, he's got all the tools. I just wish that he was a little bigger- he looks smaller than 6-2, 215 lbs.

My perfect scenario- trade down to #'s 3-5 and draft Jake Long, pick up a defensive player with the extra pick, and maybe still draft Cherilius in rd. 2. It might be overkill, but at this point overkill on the OL works just fine with me. Dump LJ Shelton, save the money and devote it to the D, and don't shoot me for this, but maybe move Carey back to guard. Long/Mormino/Satele/Carey/Cherilius. Then let Beck do his mojo with Ginn/RW/RB/Hagan and hopefully a TE upgrade. Jake Long will kick some serious arse.

finfan54
02-09-2008, 01:09 PM
I think Ryan is certainly worthy of consideration, but he has to pass somemore tests IMO. And one would be the BP test of teachability and all that good stuff...

Ryan IMO is one who can read defenses and had to play with lesser talent at WR and such. His delivery and dropback have to be dead on to get the #1 deal over Long and Long IMO. I am more weary of dorsey. I think he is overrated.

finfan54
02-09-2008, 01:11 PM
Flacco is the x factor in all this. If tehy like Flacco at #32, they will just take him there if all things being equal are considered vs. Ryan. I would prefer the lesser risk of Flacco.