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Celtkin
02-26-2008, 09:29 PM
Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.

Meteorologist Anthony Watts compiled the results of all the sources. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to erase nearly all the global warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year time. For all sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.

Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases.

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm

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Celtkin
02-26-2008, 09:34 PM
I don't think that anyone can deny that the human population has directly led to an increase in global CO2 levels, much of which is produced by the cattle we rely on for milk and steaks and no informed person would deny that rising CO2 levels can raise global temperatures.

What the press didn't take into serious consideration is the effects of the sun on warming and cooling of the earth as it related to global warming.

There have been 7 ice ages over the past 700,000 years and there is usually a 10,000 year interglacial period between ice ages. We are currently 10,800 years removed from our last ice age.

miamikid92
02-26-2008, 11:05 PM
i guess i'd rather it be getting colder than warmer, what do you guys think

Celtkin
02-26-2008, 11:10 PM
i guess i'd rather it be getting colder than warmer, what do you guys think

If you can get past the notion of eating, colder would be better but plants survive within a very narrow ranges of temperatures. Cold temperatures send perennial plants into sort of a hibernation and kills annuals => animals eat plants => we eat plants and animals. ;)

Perfect23
02-26-2008, 11:12 PM
So what did Al Gore win the nobel prize for?

miamikid92
02-26-2008, 11:22 PM
If you can get past the notion of eating, colder would be better but plants survive within a very narrow ranges of temperatures. Cold temperatures send perennial plants into sort of a hibernation and kills annuals => animals eat plants => we eat plants and animals. ;)
Yeah, i guess either way it will be tough

Celtkin
02-26-2008, 11:31 PM
So what did Al Gore win the nobel prize for?

Great looking hair?

Eshlemon
02-27-2008, 02:15 AM
So since we can't do anything about the Sun, now we need man-made global warming to avoid a world wide enviromental crisis.

Ice Age sucks big time for most of NA. Ironic, Mexico will have to put up a wall to keep out all the illegal immigrants from Canada and USA.

Roman529
02-28-2008, 06:49 PM
So what did Al Gore win the nobel prize for?

I am not buying the global warming stuff either. There are natural fluctuations in temperatures all the time. I think there has been damage done to the ozone layer, especially over the Antartic, but I just don't buy all the scare tactics.

cnc66
02-28-2008, 07:06 PM
So since we can't do anything about the Sun, now we need man-made global warming to avoid a world wide enviromental crisis.

Ice Age sucks big time for most of NA. Ironic, Mexico will have to put up a wall to keep out all the illegal immigrants from Canada and USA.

There has been some speculation that the human induced warming is tempering what would be a bigger drop in temperatures. :hi5:

That cracked me up... Q needs to see that.

FINintheMOON
02-28-2008, 11:09 PM
This is the stuff that will put people in the world on another trail to actually understanding our world... Too bad it is not in a media that is read by millions.

As Celtkin pointed out, there is approximately an 10,000 - 11,000 cycle for ice ages. This is based on several events that happen in our world's life. The earth itself has a celestial cycle that takes approximately 26,000 years to complete. These approximate numbers of years vary in the science community from 25,000 to 26,000 years.

A celestial cycle of the earth is like the annual cycle that we experience every year on earth. There is a Spring, Summer, Fall and Winter. Depending on the area you live in world depends on what you experience during those cycles.

Now this celestial cycle is based on the tilt of the earth on it's axis. While the earth has a tilt rotation at 23.5 degrees, there is a wobble in that rotation of the earth that takes approximately 26,000 years to complete a full rotation in that wobble. Here is a link to give you an idea of what that looks like:

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/time/seasons.html (http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/time/seasons.html)

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/time/precession.html (http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/time/precession.html)

We are now in the cycle where the northern hemisphere is seeing more direct sun light. This is what is causing MOST of the beef out there about global warming. And while it is true that we have warmed over the past century, it is part of the life cycle of our planet. I am not saying that mankind hasn’t accelerated it over the past 50 years, but that 50 years is the equivalent to a second in the time of 100 years at best.

Let's go back to Celtkin's post. Based on his post, the article has us heading into another ice age. And based on the celestial cycle of our planet, that would be true...

Our last Ice age ended approximately 11,000 years ago. This is primary In the Northern Hemisphere... This needs to be declared as all records of such have been developed there...

Now since the earth has a celestial cycle, or a better term for those that understand astrology, precession, it breaks down into 4 seasons like the annual cycle does on earth.

So every 6,500 years, the earth goes through changes based on the wobble on it's axis... Now these changes are not drastic by any means but over the course of these seasons it changes...

So 11,000 years later we are experiencing global warming and now a cooling event based on the article... Well if you stop and think about the annual cycle on earth, this would equate to the Fall/Winter transition. Think about that for a couple of minutes...

Have you thought about it? Now take into consideration the amount of fresh water being introduced into the Northern Atlantic… With the melting of the Artic ice and the glaciers in the northern hemisphere, one must ask what impact this will have other than raised sea levels… Can anyone see what is coming next?

There is a current that flows throughout the world in the oceans. This current is responsible for many a fair weather in areas that would be cold or uninhabitable without this current. This current depends on warm climates heating the water and then being cooled at its destination.

We all know that the oceans contain saltwater. As saltwater is warmed, it provides buoyancy to all that thrive it in it. However, once cooled, the water itself sinks like a rock.

Here is a link to that can help you understand about these currents.
http://earth.usc.edu/~stott/Catalina/Oceans.html (http://earth.usc.edu/~stott/Catalina/Oceans.html)

Now, if you were to put billions of gallons of fresh water into this flow, it would stop working as the saline content of the water would be diluted and it would keep the water from sinking and creating the return flow. This in itself would cause global cooling as the countries in the western world alone would experience a very bitter awaking. But is it mankind that is melting the ice? Maybe it could be the Sun! OR is the Sun responsible for the cooling of the earth as Celtkin’s article suggests…

The Sun has hit its low end on production of solar flares and such… Sun spots are at a minimum in recorded history. While the Sun plays a great part in the warming and cooling of the earth, it is our life blood.

Here are a couple of different links that may interest you….

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/10/041030221144.htm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/10/041030221144.htm)

http://www.unisci.com/stories/20022/0606022.htm (http://www.unisci.com/stories/20022/0606022.htm)

Now I would love to go into detail about the impacts of the Sun on our planet and how solar flares and the lack of such could impact our planet but, I need to do a little more research on this before making a stance. However, based on what I know right know on the impacts of other events having responsibility on our current environment, I would think that this article posted by Celtkin has validity in the argument against global warming…

finswin56
02-28-2008, 11:22 PM
So since we can't do anything about the Sun, now we need man-made global warming to avoid a world wide enviromental crisis.

Ice Age sucks big time for most of NA. Ironic, Mexico will have to put up a wall to keep out all the illegal immigrants from Canada and USA.
Damn! I knew I should have held on to my old '75 Monte!

Jets81
02-28-2008, 11:43 PM
So what did Al Gore win the nobel prize for?
Leave that man alone, he invented the internet.

Interesting stuff Celtkin. I was just getting used to the idea of New Jersey becoming the new Florida too. :boohoo:

tylerdolphin
03-29-2008, 11:13 PM
And the Bahamas had a unusually hot winter. We are always backwards to the rest of the world...