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dolphins1972
03-03-2008, 06:47 PM
Someone please tell me how the JETS are signing everyone in free agency when they only had $14 Mil to work with when the signing period began, and they have to sign there draft picks yet.??????????????????????????????????????????????

finsfan14
03-03-2008, 06:49 PM
i have no idea but it really sucks that they are getting all these guys exspecially calvin pace

i got da juice
03-03-2008, 06:50 PM
they got rid of vilma that freed them up a lot
but it is tricky 20 plus garenteed for 2 players and like 9 for another
and you are picking in the top 5
idk risky but they did improve, at least thats what they will tell themselves when we own them!

noyz
03-03-2008, 06:50 PM
They traded guys with big contracts and they had a lot of cap to start with..I am pretty sure they are done with FA because they need omeny to sign draft picks.

dolphins1972
03-03-2008, 06:51 PM
They traded guys with big contracts and they had a lot of cap to start with..I am pretty sure they are done with FA because they need omeny to sign draft picks.


Traded who? Vilma, and they got Jenkins who is making more a year. EXPLAIN????

dolphins1972
03-03-2008, 06:52 PM
they got rid of vilma that freed them up a lot
but it is tricky 20 plus garenteed for 2 players and like 9 for another
and you are picking in the top 5
idk risky but they did improve, at least thats what they will tell themselves when we own them!


Yeah they traded Vilma, and they got Kris Jenkins who is making more a season.

NJFINSFAN1
03-03-2008, 06:52 PM
Robertson who was also a first round pick

dolphins1972
03-03-2008, 06:52 PM
Robertson who was also a first round pick

Robertson is still a JET

Dfan06
03-03-2008, 07:24 PM
I don't know they paid chris jenkins, faneca and pace a lot of money, that's better for us.

MiaDolfan2399
03-04-2008, 12:25 AM
LOL i just dont get it the jets now have visits with eugene wilson, ben utecht, and will james i mean are they like crappin money everytime they take a squat?

TonySporanoTuna
03-04-2008, 12:26 AM
LOL i just dont get it the jets now have visits with eugene wilson, ben utecht, and will james i mean are they like crappin money everytime they take a squat?Honestly who on that team commands a hefty contract? No one lol.

U-M_all_day
03-04-2008, 12:27 AM
LOL i just dont get it the jets now have visits with eugene wilson, ben utecht, and will james

their gonna pay those a combined 99.9 million dollars in guarantees....

FinsGonnaRock06
03-04-2008, 12:29 AM
the little AIRPLANES ARE going nowhere FAST, dont worry about them, MANGENIOUS, LMFAO!!!!!!!!

dh14evr
03-04-2008, 12:29 AM
I do know that they have craped like 60mil in guaranteed money inFA alone they r going to be in cap hell !!!!

Dolfan1000
03-04-2008, 12:30 AM
Im very interested in Will James for the Fins. He is gonna be an excellent value signing for some team. That, and I cant say Im a huge Andre Goodman or Travis Daniels fan.

I am Bane
03-04-2008, 12:31 AM
the little AIRPLANES ARE going nowhere FAST, dont worry about them, MANGENIOUS, LMFAO!!!!!!!!



no matter what they do or we say.... remember that they have our numbers!!! they tend to always beat us somehow, and find ways to do so every freaking year.

dh14evr
03-04-2008, 12:32 AM
LOL little airplanes!!!!

DanTheManFinFan
03-04-2008, 12:32 AM
And don't forget that they are in the #7 draft spot and now with their bonehead spending they might not have enough to to pay the $ for that high a choice, making them trade down...what morons!!

DanTheManFinFan
03-04-2008, 12:34 AM
Woops....they're picking at #6.....even better...HA!

reddbaron
03-04-2008, 12:36 AM
I feel like whenever I want someone in this Free Agency, Mangina somehow comes up with the money to get him. It's really starting to get annoying and I hope that JT breaks past Alan Faneca every play next year.

Jets Fan
03-04-2008, 12:40 AM
And yet with all these crazy signings... still $20M in cap room. And more money to go if Coles is moved, Barton/Barrett released or restructured, and then a year or two from now Pennington and Ellis contracts expiring.

In the end the decision to give some of these players this money may be questionable, but having the #1 capologist as your GM sure is nice.

FinAtic8480
03-04-2008, 12:41 AM
The little Airplanes are throwing money left and right because they are trying to load up ala NE, whats next spying

reddbaron
03-04-2008, 12:42 AM
The little Airplane are throwing money left and right because they are trying load up ala NE, whats next spying

Yes, hence Mangina...

EDIT: haha what the hell you changed completely wht you wrote..

FinAtic8480
03-04-2008, 12:44 AM
Cause I got what you had posted before, i hat those Stinkin Jets

FinAtic8480
03-04-2008, 12:45 AM
Im wondering if there are any schedule visits. One of the reasons we might not know anything right now is cause Parcells, might be holding a tight ship. Especially after he wholee JT leaked out.

DanTheManFinFan
03-04-2008, 12:47 AM
Wow JEST FAN.....$20 mil in cap room.....maybe then they'll have just enough to sign ONE pick in the draft (and probably not #6)!!

dh14evr
03-04-2008, 12:47 AM
how do you figure they r 20 mil under still jest guy???

TomBradyWoot
03-04-2008, 12:50 AM
Wow JEST FAN.....$20 mil in cap room.....maybe then they'll have just enough to sign ONE pick in the draft (and probably not #6)!!


Name me a player that would count $20 mil towards the salary cap for next year.

Jets Fan
03-04-2008, 01:00 AM
how do you figure they r 20 mil under still jest guy???

They were $33M under to start ($28.8M + $4.3M by pushing Abram Elam's money to the '07 cap). They saved $6-8M by cutting McCareins/Clarke/Dyson and trading Vilma. They'll save a little over $8M by trading/cutting D-Rob. Jenkins' cap charge is $6M. The other cap charges for this year aren't out yet, but just going on average, Faneca's base will be low early on and have about a $9-10M cap charge. Averaging out Pace/Woody, they will have a $15M.

Overall, before restructuring a few other contracts and possibly trading Coles, they're anywhere between $15-20M.

Jets Fan
03-04-2008, 01:01 AM
Wow JEST FAN.....$20 mil in cap room.....maybe then they'll have just enough to sign ONE pick in the draft (and probably not #6)!!

Do you actually think a team couldn't sign an entire standard 7 round draft including one top 10 pick, with $20M?

They could also trade down.

Tpaddle
03-04-2008, 01:04 AM
crazy...don't know where its comin from

elandre
03-04-2008, 01:36 AM
Who knows but im sure the jets arnt that stupid. They will sign there #1 pick dont worry. They dont have Cheech and Chong doing the math for em.

DanTheManFinFan
03-04-2008, 01:43 AM
JEST FAN.....read up on "signing bonuses" or "guaranteed money" and you'll see what I'm talking about.

At #6, the player will be getting a deal worth many millions and most definately a big signing bonus as part of that.

And....what a lot of people don't know is that the bonus IS included as part of the cap but is prorated over the length of the contract. BUT....there is a rule that all bonus money has to be paid within 2 years of the close of the CBA.

Now that there's talk of owner's voiding the new CBA agreement, the JEST are looking to be in big trouble if that happens which it looks like it will.

DanTheManFinFan
03-04-2008, 01:44 AM
Yes elandre... I'm sure they'll sign their #1 pick but will they have any $ left to sign the rest??...That was the point I was making..

Of course, they may still restructure/release players to help their cap but in any case they definately OVERPAID so far

Jets Fan
03-04-2008, 02:06 AM
JEST FAN.....read up on "signing bonuses" or "guaranteed money" and you'll see what I'm talking about.

At #6, the player will be getting a deal worth many millions and most definately a big signing bonus as part of that.

And....what a lot of people don't know is that the bonus IS included as part of the cap but is prorated over the length of the contract. BUT....there is a rule that all bonus money has to be paid within 2 years of the close of the CBA.

Now that there's talk of owner's voiding the new CBA agreement, the JEST are looking to be in big trouble if that happens which it looks like it will.

If there isn't a new CBA agreement, in an un-capped year, the Jets can cut players without cap repercussions.

And I don't need to read up on signing bonuses or guaranteed money, I included them in the projections. No offense, but I think Mike Tannenbaum knows more about them than either one of us. A lawyer hired by Bill Parcells to handle the cap wouldn't be throwing out all this guaranteed money if he knew it would put them in cap hell. If there's one thing he knows, it's that.

elandre
03-04-2008, 02:22 AM
Yes elandre... I'm sure they'll sign their #1 pick but will they have any $ left to sign the rest??...That was the point I was making..

Of course, they may still restructure/release players to help their cap but in any case they definately OVERPAID so far

Hey trust me i hate the jets! Should be interesting what they do about it :D

PhenomenalPhin
03-04-2008, 02:32 AM
I'm pretty sure the jets know what they're doing as far as the cap is involved. I don't think we're done either .. it's been a little quiet the past couple days so I feel some good signings are about to happen.

MiamiDolphins34
03-04-2008, 03:05 AM
Im sure they are "broke" and cant sign any more big names because of calvin "i got 6 sacks last year" pace LOL.

realdolphin
03-04-2008, 03:15 AM
making faneca the best paid lineman in history and overpaying a LB that had one good year in pace has to be a concern . i hope they get in cap hell !!!!!!...... also i hope pace breaks a leg in the first play of preseason and faneca plays like **** all year ...jejejejejejejejej

MoneyBrown
03-04-2008, 03:20 AM
They were $33M under to start ($28.8M + $4.3M by pushing Abram Elam's money to the '07 cap). They saved $6-8M by cutting McCareins/Clarke/Dyson and trading Vilma. They'll save a little over $8M by trading/cutting D-Rob. Jenkins' cap charge is $6M. The other cap charges for this year aren't out yet, but just going on average, Faneca's base will be low early on and have about a $9-10M cap charge. Averaging out Pace/Woody, they will have a $15M.

Overall, before restructuring a few other contracts and possibly trading Coles, they're anywhere between $15-20M.

They haven't traded D-Rob yet, don't count your chickens before they get traded. So IF you are correct they have around 9-14 Million right now.

Tigers2003
03-04-2008, 03:29 AM
They obviously feel they must go full boat in FA and their current talent level is not where they need to be to even sniff the evil empire. All of this and they still have draft picks to sign and pay for. How can they keep the #6 pick? Trading down seems to be part of the plan.

Just because money is available don't mean you throw it around. Signs of desperation and now or never. That kind of attitude has helped plenty(sic).

Build through the draft. If the FAs don't pan out or screw what chemistry they had on that team it could not happen to a better franchise. Unloading Robertson would be a mistake in my opinion and all for it! Screw the Green Sludge. Let's build via the draft and see them throw their money around.

Jets Fan
03-04-2008, 04:14 AM
They haven't traded D-Rob yet, don't count your chickens before they get traded. So IF you are correct they have around 9-14 Million right now.

If he's not traded, they'll just release him. They will approach the rest of free agency and the draft knowing $8.3M will be off the books by June 1.

Jets Fan
03-04-2008, 04:17 AM
They obviously feel they must go full boat in FA and their current talent level is not where they need to be to even sniff the evil empire. All of this and they still have draft picks to sign and pay for. How can they keep the #6 pick? Trading down seems to be part of the plan.

Just because money is available don't mean you throw it around. Signs of desperation and now or never. That kind of attitude has helped plenty(sic).

Build through the draft. If the FAs don't pan out or screw what chemistry they had on that team it could not happen to a better franchise. Unloading Robertson would be a mistake in my opinion and all for it! Screw the Green Sludge. Let's build via the draft and see them throw their money around.

Your first point is correct, and so then your second point isn't. They have to acquire and overpay for talent, there was a severe lack of it on the team. But they're still going to build through the draft. They just need to get more talent in here ASAP, or else they'll have another 4-5 win season.

MiamiDolphins34
03-04-2008, 04:20 AM
If they release robertson id like us to pick him up.

Jets Fan
03-04-2008, 04:59 AM
If they release robertson id like us to pick him up.

I don't think Parcells would. I'm assuming with Parcells, you'll be running a 3-4. He's not a good fit. His size and technique are average for a NT, and his arms are too short to play DE. He'll end up going to a 4-3 team and be a 3-tech. Even in that position with the Jets, he had 1 good year out of 3.

GridIronKing34
03-04-2008, 05:07 AM
I wonder if they're taking a chance on the fact that in a few years that the NFL will be without a salary cap. They've been spending a lot of money as of late, but I really think they are banking on the NFL being without a cap.

TonySporanoTuna
03-04-2008, 02:42 PM
I wonder if they're taking a chance on the fact that in a few years that the NFL will be without a salary cap. They've been spending a lot of money as of late, but I really think they are banking on the NFL being without a cap.
If that ends up the case then we will be perennial contenders. We have money bags attached to our legs.

satz
03-04-2008, 03:07 PM
Cap number is just a number a team can cook it. Its just a book keeping number.

colts were 230k over cap and yet signed clark and RG to huge deals...

HughC
06-14-2008, 11:18 PM
I have a strong feeling that the Jets will fall short of their quest to make the playoffs this year, heads will roll, and they will find themselves in cap hell in another year or two. It's not as if this scenario has not played out before in the NFL since they instituted the salary cap, and coaches and GM's started feeling the heat.

HughC
08-08-2008, 02:44 PM
According to this site, by releasing Pennington and taking on Favre's contract, the Jets are just under the cap and they will not have to make any other cuts or re-work any other contracts.

http://www.nyjetscap.com/salary.html