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Crazysimon
03-03-2008, 09:04 PM
What do you think, be realistic, put yours as well.


Pats- D- Only resigned moss

Jets-B-Big names, instant impact, but spent a little bit

Bills-C- Got alot better , added a few big names

Dolphins- C- came out strong the first day, but have been quiet recently, and havent added many instant impact players

ATVZ400
03-03-2008, 09:06 PM
i would give the phins a B they signed 7 players. The jets get A-

CitizenSnips
03-03-2008, 09:07 PM
No point in grading FA. None of the teams in the AFC east know if the players they sign will make a difference or they'll be the same old crap. If you want to grade Free AGency, then grade AFTER the season.

U-M_all_day
03-03-2008, 09:07 PM
Pats-=d

Bills =C+

Dolphins =C+

bills = B-

Crazysimon
03-03-2008, 09:08 PM
No point in grading FA. None of the teams in the AFC east know if the players they sign will make a difference or they'll be the same old crap. If you want to grade Free AGency, then grade AFTER the season.


Just having some fun

Nublar7
03-03-2008, 09:10 PM
Jets: A-
Dolphins: B-
Bills: C+
Patriots: D+

JDOE
03-03-2008, 09:13 PM
Well, he did say "thus far"...

I'd give the jets an A for effort and an A+ for blowing their whole bankroll. They get a B+ for acquiring over-aged, expensive, talented guys.

Bills did pretty good. I'd give em a B+ so far.

The Patsies get a C-. They managed to re-sign Moss (their top priority IMO) and let go of Gafney and Stallworth- 2 players that are over rated IMO.

They re-signed Tedy "heart attack" Brusci after offering Zach Thomas his job! That's gotta count for something!

I'm just happy knowing that all three opponents have improved and there shouldn't be a clean sweep of the division by the Patsies for a (chris or jake) long, long time!

U-M_all_day
03-03-2008, 09:23 PM
Well, he did say "thus far"...

I'd give the jets an A for effort and an A+ for blowing their whole bankroll. They get a B+ for acquiring over-aged, expensive, talented guys.

Bills did pretty good. I'd give em a B+ so far.

The Patsies get a C-. They managed to re-sign Moss (their top priority IMO) and let go of Gafney and Stallworth- 2 players that are over rated IMO.

They re-signed Tedy "heart attack" Brusci after offering Zach Thomas his job! That's gotta count for something!

I'm just happy knowing that all three opponents have improved and there shouldn't be a clean sweep of the division by the Patsies for a (chris or jake) long, long time!

:sidelol:

Sean
03-03-2008, 09:30 PM
I'd go

Pats :D, only brought back Moss and got TB back.

Bills: B; solid job in picking up Stroud.

Jets: B; only b/c I LOL them @ Signing Pace for 5 yrs 42M 22M Guarenteed.

Phins: B+/A-; On the verge of getting that A-, if they would sign someone like Javon Walker, but they came out storming the 1st day.

Aqua4Ever04
03-03-2008, 09:33 PM
Every team did some good things and every teams made some potentially questionable moves. I'd say the Fins, Bills and Jets got better while the Pats got worse.

Dolphins- Great Friday with a lot of depth, special teams help, and solid starters on the offensive and defensive line.

Bills- Bryan Johnson is likely to sign there and they got some much needed help on the defensive line with Stroud.

Jets- Caught some huge names but they are commiting cap suicide. Pace and Faneca has the Jets strapped for a few years while the inability to trade Robertson hurts them big time.

Pats- Loss some key parts but brought back their key guy in Moss.

feelthepain
03-03-2008, 09:43 PM
Jets -B They've made some big additions.

Dolphins- C+ multiple additions, but mostly roll players. Smiley and Wolford are decent signings

Bills-C Only one addition worthy of speaking.

*Pats-C (They did resign Randy)

BleedinGreenNC
03-03-2008, 09:48 PM
Well, he did say "thus far"...

I'd give the jets an A for effort and an A+ for blowing their whole bankroll. They get a B+ for acquiring over-aged, expensive, talented guys.

Bills did pretty good. I'd give em a B+ so far.

The Patsies get a C-. They managed to re-sign Moss (their top priority IMO) and let go of Gafney and Stallworth- 2 players that are over rated IMO.

They re-signed Tedy "heart attack" Brusci after offering Zach Thomas his job! That's gotta count for something!

I'm just happy knowing that all three opponents have improved and there shouldn't be a clean sweep of the division by the Patsies for a (chris or jake) long, long time!

Over aged talent?

Porter comes to mind.

Straztheman
03-03-2008, 09:56 PM
Well, with FA not being over yet I can;t really grade anyone, but I personally think the Bills are going to be a very good team down the road. They have a young players on offense that could be studs I mean look at this 3-5 years later. Trent Edwards, Marshwan Lynch, Lee Evans, Bryant Johnson, the whole AFC East has gotten to be contenders fast, we better start to catch up fast.

SpaceMountain16
03-03-2008, 10:00 PM
I didn't realize signing random backups to fill spots on the team equated to a decent grade. Doesn't free agency usually work with the signing of QUALITY players? Not backups who nobody wanted.

feelthepain
03-03-2008, 10:04 PM
I didn't realize signing random backups to fill spots on the team equated to a decent grade. Doesn't free agency usually work with the signing of QUALITY players? Not backups who nobody wanted.

Smiley and Wolford will most likely be starters.

SpaceMountain16
03-03-2008, 10:06 PM
Smiley and Wolford will most likely be starters.

Smiley will i'm sure. Wilford would have to be because of the lack of the Phins having anyone else who can play at WR.

feelthepain
03-03-2008, 10:17 PM
Smiley will i'm sure. Wilford would have to be because of the lack of the Phins having anyone else who can play at WR.

I'm not so sure I agree about Wilford, I have done some reading about him on the Jags sites and according to Jag fans he's a very dependable sure handed WR. (Big Ernie) as Jag fans call him has enamored himself with Jag fans.

With his big frame and experience, I think he'll be able to contribute easily, especially in the red zone.I really like the addition. Do I think he will be special? Not at all, but I do think he will improve our offense.

#1dolphinsfan
03-03-2008, 10:25 PM
Pats= D- ( all they did was re-sign Moss witch is a great pick for them but they lost way to many players in FA to be Higher then a D)

Jets= B- (i think they didnt get all that Great of players and they got a ton of players i just think they really didnt do great if you think about it)

Bills= B (i think they are the winners in the AFC east they are most likly going to get WR Bryant Johnson they got marcus stroud ETC...)

Dolphins= B-( i think we did a Little better then the jets we got alot of players that are young and can be really good but we didnt get the guy by the Name of Calvin Pace if we got him i think we did the best in FA in the AFC east)

PATSSUCK
03-03-2008, 10:32 PM
I didn't realize signing random backups to fill spots on the team equated to a decent grade. Doesn't free agency usually work with the signing of QUALITY players? Not backups who nobody wanted.

I didnt know that good teams were built through free agency. I guess I will tell that to the Giants and the Colts. Free agency is to get role players not overpay for players other teams do not want. I know you wanted to sign every big name out there, but you dont get the game yet. We did just fine... you and some of these other fans are what I call ANTI-fans, you claim to love the fins, but apparently have a problem with everything they do. By the way Wiford lead the team in receiving and many other analysis have said we did great. I will take their word over yours any day

These were not RANDOM signing, they were picked out because they fit what the group here wants to do and the types of players they need. Sheesssh

feelthepain
03-03-2008, 10:34 PM
I didnt know that good teams were built through free agency. I guess I will tell that to the Giants and the Colts. Free agency is to get role players not overpay for players other teams do not want. I know you wanted to sign every big name out there, but you dont get the game yet. We did just fine... you and some of these other fans are what I call ANTI-fans, you claim to love the fins, but apparently have a problem with everything they do. By the way Wiford lead the team in receiving and many other analysis have said we did great. I will take their word over yours any day

Yeah I like how much younger we've gotten. 6 players from the 04 draft I believe.

Whitedolphin54
03-03-2008, 10:39 PM
Smiley was a good pick, but the lack of help on the D may not be too much of a hindrance.

FinsFan74
03-03-2008, 10:40 PM
Pats-=d

Bills =C+

Dolphins =C+

bills = B-
Um.......okay........that's not fair, the Bills get 2 grades....I'm tellin' dad!

RHoffman
03-03-2008, 10:47 PM
I'll play the game...

1. Jets A-...unquestioned Starters at LG, OLB, DT...Woody is the only minus so far. As for cap suicide...I don't think you can committ anymore...heck 2011 might even be uncapped.
2. Bills B ...love the Mitchell signing...the Stroud move is interesting because I think he has tons of potential to star or spend entire seasons on IR
3. Dolphins C...the loss of Pace hurts that much...I think many of their moves were built around the confidence that they could sign this guy...especially on defense...of their signings...all of significant question marks...Smiley has a biceps question (remember Leon Searcy)...Starks (the move I might like the best) had 16 tackles last year...Wilford is interesting but far from a guarantee or upgrade over Booker...McCown is a necessary stop gap...but still a stop gap...Ferguson, I don't really understand after thinking it through...can he still play? Torbor is still young...but a role player for most of last season....could this FA grade turn into an A...possible...but it could also just as easily backfire to an F. I think PACE (one year or not) had turned his career around...not one player we signed can say that yet.
4. Patriots C-...Re-signing Moss was huge or they were looking at an F...the loss of their secondary will hurt. The lb crew hasn't been addressed either...Hard to picture them duplicating their success. (without cheating more at least.)

feelthepain
03-03-2008, 10:52 PM
I'll play the game...

1. Jets A-...unquestioned Starters at LG, OLB, DT...Woody is the only minus so far. As for cap suicide...I don't think you can committ anymore...heck 2011 might even be uncapped.
2. Bills B ...love the Mitchell signing...the Stroud move is interesting because I think he has tons of potential to star or spend entire seasons on IR
3. Dolphins C...the loss of Pace hurts that much...I think many of their moves were built around the confidence that they could sign this guy...especially on defense...of their signings...all of significant question marks...Smiley has a biceps question (remember Leon Searcy)...Starks (the move I might like the best) had 16 tackles last year...Wilford is interesting but far from a guarantee or upgrade over Booker...McCown is a necessary stop gap...but still a stop gap...Ferguson, I don't really understand after thinking it through...can he still play? Torbor is still young...but a role player for most of last season....could this FA grade turn into an A...possible...but it could also just as easily backfire to an F. I think PACE (one year or not) had turned his career around...not one player we signed can say that yet.
4. Patriots C-...Re-signing Moss was huge or they were looking at an F...the loss of their secondary will hurt. The lb crew hasn't been addressed either...Hard to picture them duplicating their success. (without cheating more at least.)

Torbor started the whole year while Mitchell only started 9 games. I think we did just as well with Torbor.

Buffalo gives Kawika Mithcell 5 years $17mil with 5 mil signing bonus. Anyone know what we paid Torbor?

Mike13
03-03-2008, 11:20 PM
McCown is a necessary stop gap...but still a stop gap..

McCown will not start he's the backup, so says the Tuna.

DaBills4life
03-03-2008, 11:45 PM
Bills - B+, A- if they get Johnson. Their Starting OLB was moved to backup OLB when we signed Mitchel. Our starting NT was moved to backup NT when we sign Stroud. Tripplett was a terible player in our rotation, instead we bring in Spencer Johnson who was one of the top 3rd down DT's in the NFL last year.

Jets - B- . Why a B-? Because you lost a good player in Vilma. I dont want to hear he didnt fit the 3-4 because we dont know how anyone fits right now. He is a good player. Faneca and Jenkins are studs. Woody is overweight. Maybe he can be your overweight reclamation project like we did with Walker last year, but he has to stya on the field for that to happen. Pace is an up and coming player, just doesnt strike fear into me.

Miami - C+. Losing Zach Thomas means something. Gaining Ferguson and Smiley were the best moves. Rebuilding the roster. Nothing really is an impact move, just nice additions.

NE - D. They Kept Moss, but lost Samuel, Gay, and Wilson.

Losing good players counts against your grade.

DaBills4life
03-03-2008, 11:47 PM
Torbor started the whole year while Mitchell only started 9 games. I think we did just as well with Torbor.

Buffalo gives Kawika Mithcell 5 years $17mil with 5 mil signing bonus. Anyone know what we paid Torbor?

Its a simple search, Torbor started 5 games, Mitchell has started all 16 games the last 3 years.

feelthepain
03-03-2008, 11:55 PM
Bills - B+, A- if they get Johnson. Their Starting OLB was moved to backup OLB when we signed Mitchel. Our starting NT was moved to backup NT when we sign Stroud. Tripplett was a terible player in our rotation, instead we bring in Spencer Johnson who was one of the top 3rd down DT's in the NFL last year.

Jets - B- . Why a B-? Because you lost a good player in Vilma. I dont want to here he didnt fit because we dont know how anyone fits right now. He is a good player. Faneca and Jenkins are studs. Woody is overweight. Maybe he can be your overweight reclamation project like we did with Walker last year, but he has to stya on the field for that to happen. Pace is an up and coming player, just doesnt strike fear into me.

Miami - C+. Losing Zach Thomas means something. Gaining Ferguson and Smiley were the best moves. Rebuilding the roster. Nothing really is an impact move, just nice additions.

NE - D. They Kept Moss, but lost Samuel, Gay, and Wilson.

Losing good players counts against your grade.

Wow that's way too high a grade for the Bills. Seriously who'd they sign? A DT that was one of many on a deep defense, with bad ankles and steroid issues? Or a LB that only played in 9 games in 07? Bill fans do this every single year, they sign two players everyone else signs 10 and the Bills two are always 10 times better then everyone else's many.

Last year the Bills sign two O-linemen to huge undeserving contracts and Bill fans claim those two signings will put them on par with the Pats.

The Bills then go out and have a statistically worse season on offense the the 1-15 Dolphins. Enough already.

feelthepain
03-04-2008, 12:10 AM
Its a simple search, Torbor started 5 games, Mitchell has started all 16 games the last 3 years.

Yeah I made a mistake with games played, but his numbers aren't that different then Torbors, so why is he a huge pickup for Bill fans and Torbor is avg for Miami? I think because the Bills signed Mitchell and the Fins signed Torbor.

TomBradyWoot
03-04-2008, 12:42 AM
Bills - B+, A- if they get Johnson. Their Starting OLB was moved to backup OLB when we signed Mitchel. Our starting NT was moved to backup NT when we sign Stroud. Tripplett was a terible player in our rotation, instead we bring in Spencer Johnson who was one of the top 3rd down DT's in the NFL last year.

Jets - B- . Why a B-? Because you lost a good player in Vilma. I dont want to hear he didnt fit the 3-4 because we dont know how anyone fits right now. He is a good player. Faneca and Jenkins are studs. Woody is overweight. Maybe he can be your overweight reclamation project like we did with Walker last year, but he has to stya on the field for that to happen. Pace is an up and coming player, just doesnt strike fear into me.

Miami - C+. Losing Zach Thomas means something. Gaining Ferguson and Smiley were the best moves. Rebuilding the roster. Nothing really is an impact move, just nice additions.

NE - D. They Kept Moss, but lost Samuel, Gay, and Wilson.

Losing good players counts against your grade.


What was so special about Randall Gay and what has Eugene Wilson done since 2004?

DaBills4life
03-04-2008, 12:45 AM
Yeah I made a mistake with games played, but his numbers aren't that different then Torbors, so why is he a huge pickup for Bill fans and Torbor is avg for Miami? I think because the Bills signed Mitchell and the Fins signed Torbor.

Im grading you guys with the loss of Zach Thomas. If Thomas wasnt released then you guys easily got a B to B+.

Same thing with the Jets. If the Jets didnt lose Vilma, its an easy A.

If the Bills released or traded Crowell or someone like that then that would drop the Bills grade.

DaBills4life
03-04-2008, 12:48 AM
What was so special about Randall Gay and what has Eugene Wilson done since 2004?

So what is your grade? I forgot Colvin and Stallworth.

The Patriots are still the best team as long as Brady is there, but your offseason hasnt been great.

nyjunc
03-04-2008, 06:44 AM
I think the Jets, Bills and Dolphins all have done very well so far while NE lost a few guys but only Samuel was significant and that was expected. Now that they got Moss back their offseason has also been a success so far.

feelthepain
03-04-2008, 07:13 AM
Im grading you guys with the loss of Zach Thomas. If Thomas wasnt released then you guys easily got a B to B+.

Same thing with the Jets. If the Jets didnt lose Vilma, its an easy A.

If the Bills released or traded Crowell or someone like that then that would drop the Bills grade.

The Bills only signed what 3 players? Stroud isn't that great, is my point. I think a C is a fair grade for the Bills. If the Bills had a top 5 defense going into FA then the Stroud would have been a better sign. But he's going from a top 5 defense to one of the worst defenses in the league.

LtDan
03-04-2008, 08:24 AM
I didn't realize signing random backups to fill spots on the team equated to a decent grade. Doesn't free agency usually work with the signing of QUALITY players? Not backups who nobody wanted.
Once again, you don't know what you speak of sir. It is to FILL NEEDS!!

LtDan
03-04-2008, 08:30 AM
What was so special about Randall Gay and what has Eugene Wilson done since 2004?
:rolleyes2: You would be singing a different tune if they were staying in Patsie land

LtDan
03-04-2008, 08:31 AM
Im grading you guys with the loss of Zach Thomas. If Thomas wasnt released then you guys easily got a B to B+.

Same thing with the Jets. If the Jets didnt lose Vilma, its an easy A.

If the Bills released or traded Crowell or someone like that then that would drop the Bills grade.
Can't count Zach. He was released before the FA period.:lol:

Stitches
03-04-2008, 08:45 AM
Jets get a B+ from me, but that includes the loss of Vilma (comparative grading, I have the jets with one of the best offseasons)

Fins get a B-. Filled tons of needs, special teams shoud be real good. Got players to transition from 4-3 to 3-4, but not much "umph" in the signings.

Bills get a C as of now. If they sign Johnson, I'd bump them up to a C+ (maybe B-).

Patsies get a C- and that is pretty much just because of Moss, otherwise it'd be a F.

Van Greco
03-04-2008, 10:09 AM
I'm not going to grade everyone individually, but it does seem that Buffalo, NY and Miami all closed the gap on NE a little. NE still probably wins the division this year barring injuries, but it will at least be a challenge this time. NE really needs to address their secondary and LB corps now. The Jets seem to be gearing up for a big push now, which is understandable as Mangini needs to show something this year. I think they overpaid Pace a little, but it's still a solid pickup and Faneca especially is an upgrade. If the Bills get Bryant Johnson then I would actually give them the best shot at challenging NE this year. They made good moves. Mitchell is an excellent player. Stroud is a gamble, but could potentially be huge.

As for Miami, well we did get some good young players. No immediate stars, but solid role playing guys who will help the team. It almost feels like we just had our 2003-2004 draft the last couple of days. I like the addition of Wilford especially. He's a known hard worker. I'm hoping that he can be a good possesion receiver for us and out jump smaller CB's in the redzone. (what I like to call "The Gadsden Maneuver" ) Smiley should be solid at G for not too much money and hopefully Ferguson can stay healthy.

TomBradyWoot
03-04-2008, 11:22 AM
:rolleyes2: You would be singing a different tune if they were staying in Patsie land


You would be singing a different tune if Buffalo or the Jets lost Randall Gay. The only reason you know they lost Randall Gay is because Randall Gay played for the mighty Patriots and they were on national TV everynight. Randall Gay is nothing more than a nickle cornerback. I'm sure Belichick is losing sleep over losing him:rolleyes2:. Eugene Wilson was a STUD in his first two years, but for some reason his play dropped off in 2005 and couldnt stay healthy in 06 or 07.

DaBills4life
03-04-2008, 11:41 AM
The Bills only signed what 3 players? Stroud isn't that great, is my point. I think a C is a fair grade for the Bills. If the Bills had a top 5 defense going into FA then the Stroud would have been a better sign. But he's going from a top 5 defense to one of the worst defenses in the league.

That makes no sense at all.

If you want to talk about Strouds injury then fine, but dont say he isnt a great player. The Bills doctors are some of the best in the world and they checked him out. He had time to heal.

NJFINSFAN1
03-04-2008, 11:46 AM
Torbor started the whole year while Mitchell only started 9 games. I think we did just as well with Torbor.

Buffalo gives Kawika Mithcell 5 years $17mil with 5 mil signing bonus. Anyone know what we paid Torbor?


Torbor only started 5 games, Mithcell was a key player in the Giants defense, one of the biggest additions they had.

Mike13
03-04-2008, 11:56 AM
Intresting tidbit from Clayton on the Fins


''They released five veterans whose average age was 34.2. Those aging vets were replaced by seven free agents whose average age is 26.7.''

Thats about a 7-8 year difference in age

IMHO the Fins, Bills and Jets all improved themselves, with the exception of Moss, the Pats lost a bunch of players.

Vertical Limit
03-04-2008, 12:26 PM
They really didn't lose anything special except for Samuel. They kept Moss and yeah, that's enough for them to make another run, though with the Jets offseason, they now have competition for the division title finally, IF Clemens stays solid and consistent.

The Patriots has been able to use, recycle and trash players at will. They still got some good defensive backs out there like Brandon Merriweather that can step up as a fulltime starter in the future.

I don't think they have dropped down so much as you all think they did. Still looks like Favorites in the AFC to me, though like I said, the Jets may surprise.

satz
03-04-2008, 01:05 PM
This post is dumb,...what if someof the signed people just stink and get cut in camp?.

thecubanluv
03-04-2008, 06:24 PM
Probably too early to grade but a half-hazard guess.

Patriots - D. Resigned Moss which was big. But lost a few pieces (Starting CB, Starting S and top nickelback). Have not addressed aging LB's or gutted secondary. Patriots usually are not big on FA (last year was exception). They will probably make this up in the draft based on history.

Bills - C so far. Stroud is a nice player they acquired via trade. But he is not young and had a couple of injuries. Lets see how much value he still has left. If they acquire Johnson at WR will help some.

Dolphins - B+. No homeruns but acquired at least one proven starter (Smiley) and a few YOUNG solid guys who can start (Starks, Wilford and Torbor) with some upside. Traded for another stopgap starter in Fergunson who can help train our future NT's. Also signed some special team standouts (Anderson, Kircus). No overly large bonus given that can kill cap room such as a Joey Porter last year.

Jets - D. If they had a legitimate QB and a couple of playmaking WR's I might make this an A. But a team without a single above average player at any skill position (T. Jones is average and Coles can be if healthy) should not be spending so much on 2 aging players over 30 (Woody and Faneca). A declining 29 yo D-lineman with attitude and 2 major injuries in last 4 years (Jenkins). And a DE converted LB who has one season at slightly above average play and 3 with below average play (Pace). By the time the Jets develop a QB, Faneca and Woody will be in mid 30's and possible cap cuts. Jenkins is a wild card and you may be sursing the Pace signing the way Dolphins curse the Porter signing.

Good luck.

BleedinGreenNC
03-04-2008, 06:50 PM
Probably too early to grade but a half-hazard guess.

Patriots - D. Resigned Moss which was big. But lost a few pieces (Starting CB, Starting S and top nickelback). Have not addressed aging LB's or gutted secondary. Patriots usually are not big on FA (last year was exception). They will probably make this up in the draft based on history.

Bills - C so far. Stroud is a nice player they acquired via trade. But he is not young and had a couple of injuries. Lets see how much value he still has left. If they acquire Johnson at WR will help some.

Dolphins - B+. No homeruns but acquired at least one proven starter (Smiley) and a few YOUNG solid guys who can start (Starks, Wilford and Torbor) with some upside. Traded for another stopgap starter in Fergunson who can help train our future NT's. Also signed some special team standouts (Anderson, Kircus). No overly large bonus given that can kill cap room such as a Joey Porter last year.

Jets - D. If they had a legitimate QB and a couple of playmaking WR's I might make this an A. But a team without a single above average player at any skill position (T. Jones is average and Coles can be if healthy) should not be spending so much on 2 aging players over 30 (Woody and Faneca). A declining 29 yo D-lineman with attitude and 2 major injuries in last 4 years (Jenkins). And a DE converted LB who has one season at slightly above average play and 3 with below average play (Pace). By the time the Jets develop a QB, Faneca and Woody will be in mid 30's and possible cap cuts. Jenkins is a wild card and you may be sursing the Pace signing the way Dolphins curse the Porter signing.

Good luck.


:sidelol:

nyjunc
03-04-2008, 07:34 PM
Probably too early to grade but a half-hazard guess.

Patriots - D. Resigned Moss which was big. But lost a few pieces (Starting CB, Starting S and top nickelback). Have not addressed aging LB's or gutted secondary. Patriots usually are not big on FA (last year was exception). They will probably make this up in the draft based on history.

Bills - C so far. Stroud is a nice player they acquired via trade. But he is not young and had a couple of injuries. Lets see how much value he still has left. If they acquire Johnson at WR will help some.

Dolphins - B+. No homeruns but acquired at least one proven starter (Smiley) and a few YOUNG solid guys who can start (Starks, Wilford and Torbor) with some upside. Traded for another stopgap starter in Fergunson who can help train our future NT's. Also signed some special team standouts (Anderson, Kircus). No overly large bonus given that can kill cap room such as a Joey Porter last year.

Jets - D. If they had a legitimate QB and a couple of playmaking WR's I might make this an A. But a team without a single above average player at any skill position (T. Jones is average and Coles can be if healthy) should not be spending so much on 2 aging players over 30 (Woody and Faneca). A declining 29 yo D-lineman with attitude and 2 major injuries in last 4 years (Jenkins). And a DE converted LB who has one season at slightly above average play and 3 with below average play (Pace). By the time the Jets develop a QB, Faneca and Woody will be in mid 30's and possible cap cuts. Jenkins is a wild card and you may be sursing the Pace signing the way Dolphins curse the Porter signing.

Good luck.

:sidelol::sidelol::rotfl1::rotfl1:

feelthepain
03-04-2008, 10:39 PM
That makes no sense at all.

If you want to talk about Strouds injury then fine, but dont say he isnt a great player. The Bills doctors are some of the best in the world and they checked him out. He had time to heal.

Stroud has bad ankles, just because he checked out this week doesn't mean he won't have more issue due to his ankles. As for the Bills doctors....is there anything in Buffalo that isn't the best in the world? Stroud played on a very..... No! Great defense in Jacksonville, he will now go to a pathetic one in Buffalo. I think he will play OK, but he will have little help.

BuffaloSoldier2
03-05-2008, 01:07 AM
Stroud has bad ankles, just because he checked out this week doesn't mean he won't have more issue due to his ankles. As for the Bills doctors....is there anything in Buffalo that isn't the best in the world? Stroud played on a very..... No! Great defense in Jacksonville, he will now go to a pathetic one in Buffalo. I think he will play OK, but he will have little help.

Hmm, Buffalo doctors what have they done lately? Oh well there was this time this year where Richard Zednik of the Panters took a skate to his neck and the doctors in Buffalo are praised for saying his life.

Oh and there was this other time this year where a guy name Kevin Everett was nearly killed on the field. But thanks to Buffalo doctors and a new revolutionary treatment, they not only saved his life but his ability to walk.

Of course, you're the same guy who every year says who bad the Bills are gonna be and look silly after they sweep the Fins again. You're a hater, plain and simple. Like you wouldn't be doing backflips to get Stroud (for a 3rd and 5th picks when the Bills have another one in both rounds). Yeah, Starks is so much better than Stroud. I'm much rather have him. :foundout:

And the Bills "pathetic" defense finsihed 18th in the NFL in the only stat that matters points against, right behind the Super Bowl champs.

As for the FA grades (way too early):

Bills - B bordering on A if Stroud can be half the player was. But Mitchell & him were acquire very cheaply.

Fins - C decent moves, nothing special

Jets - B+, good moves though overpaid and created a hole by trading Vilma

Pats - B, the champs until proven otherwise

Brassmonki14120
03-05-2008, 04:18 AM
If the we're talking FA pickups I gotta give the:

Jets A-/B+. Yeah they're spending money but it's being spent on some real talent. They are getting their money's worth.

Bills a solid B. They've signed quality "NEED" players at a good price.

Phins C/C-. They have been picking up average to below average players that may not be an upgrade from what they had last season, Smiley may be the only above average player signed but he's coming off a season ending injury to his shoulder ("Torn Labrum: a return to weight lifting is unpredictable. You may need one full year before performing activities such as the bench press and you may never recover enough to lift heavy weights.") Not good for a guy who has to battle 300 pound Gladiators for a job.

Pats C-. They lost allot but they resigned Moss and that's enough to turn the D/D- into a C-.

nyjunc
03-05-2008, 06:56 AM
Jets - B+, good moves though overpaid and created a hole by trading Vilma




What hole did we create? the man who stepped in for Vilma was ALOT better than him in this scheme. I hate seeign Vilma go but he's not the same player in a 3-4. David harris was an absolute beats last year and if he played a few more games he would have been Defensive Rookie of the Year.

feelthepain
03-05-2008, 07:54 AM
Hmm, Buffalo doctors what have they done lately? Oh well there was this time this year where Richard Zednik of the Panters took a skate to his neck and the doctors in Buffalo are praised for saying his life.

Oh and there was this other time this year where a guy name Kevin Everett was nearly killed on the field. But thanks to Buffalo doctors and a new revolutionary treatment, they not only saved his life but his ability to walk.

Of course, you're the same guy who every year says who bad the Bills are gonna be and look silly after they sweep the Fins again. You're a hater, plain and simple. Like you wouldn't be doing backflips to get Stroud (for a 3rd and 5th picks when the Bills have another one in both rounds). Yeah, Starks is so much better than Stroud. I'm much rather have him. :foundout:

And the Bills "pathetic" defense finsihed 18th in the NFL in the only stat that matters points against, right behind the Super Bowl champs.

As for the FA grades (way too early):

Bills - B bordering on A if Stroud can be half the player was. But Mitchell & him were acquire very cheaply.

Fins - C decent moves, nothing special

Jets - B+, good moves though overpaid and created a hole by trading Vilma

Pats - B, the champs until proven otherwise



So because Zednik got stitched up, Everett's injury wasn't as bad as first diagnosed Buffalo Doctors are somehow superb? OK, whatever.

Hater? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!!

I love how your team signs two or three FA's and they get a B, Miami signs 9 FA's and we get a C. It's par for the course for Bill fans. As for being happy to trade a 3 and 5 for Stroud, why would I be? You act as if the Bills signed the best DT in the league, pfft, not even close. If the Pats had signed him, I would be a little more concerned, but the Bills? Who cares, they will finish another year 2 games below 500. so gives a crap who they sign? BTW, did it ever occur to you that maybe the Jags didn't care if Stroud returned? His numbers are avg.

In the last two years he's only played in 18 games with a grand total of 5.5 sacks and 43 tkls. Oh but he's going to Buffalo, so he will now produce what 17.5 sacks and 78 takls in 08? Yeah he's a stud!! BTW,the title of this thread was "AFC EAST FA grades thus far" you can't include Stroud as a FA acquisition because he was a trade! So how can you give your team a "B" based on the FA's your team signed? Maybe you need to re-think your grade.

Brassmonki14120
03-05-2008, 01:46 PM
So because Zednik got stitched up, Everett's injury wasn't as bad as first diagnosed Buffalo Doctors are somehow superb? OK, whatever.

Hater? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!!

I love how your team signs two or three FA's and they get a B, Miami signs 9 FA's and we get a C. It's par for the course for Bill fans. As for being happy to trade a 3 and 5 for Stroud, why would I be? You act as if the Bills signed the best DT in the league, pfft, not even close. If the Pats had signed him, I would be a little more concerned, but the Bills? Who cares, they will finish another year 2 games below 500. so gives a crap who they sign? BTW, did it ever occur to you that maybe the Jags didn't care if Stroud returned? His numbers are avg.

In the last two years he's only played in 18 games with a grand total of 5.5 sacks and 43 tkls. Oh but he's going to Buffalo, so he will now produce what 17.5 sacks and 78 takls in 08? Yeah he's a stud!! BTW,the title of this thread was "AFC EAST FA grades thus far" you can't include Stroud as a FA acquisition because he was a trade! So how can you give your team a "B" based on the FA's your team signed? Maybe you need to re-think your grade.

First of all KE injury wasn't misdiagnosed, Quick thinking and the Bills medical staff having guts to use a controversial treatment are the reasons for KE's recovery.

Stroud played in 11 games in '06 and 9 games in '07, you seem to have added and subtracted 11 and 9 to come up with 18. I've checked with my 11 year old and his buddy (11 also) and they agree with me that 11 and 9 in fact equals 20.

Last season Stroud in fact played 1 more game than Smiley.

Now why Miami might get a C with their 8 FA pickups (Fergie was a trade and since the topic, as you pointed out, is about Free Agency Fergie doesn't count)


Bell SS, ok resign. looked good in '06 but only played in one game in '07. Grade B.

Anderson OLB, Back up player, in his 4 year career he has only started in 5 out of 60 games. He averages 1.48 Tackles and .05 Sacks per game. He has an average of 1 PDef per year.
Grade D.

Torbor OLB, He's started 18 of 62 career games, Averages 2.34 Tackles and .08 Sacks a game. Averages 1 PDef a year.
Grade D.

Starks NT, Rotation player who's seen less playing time over the last 2 seasons. Last year had only 16 Tackles and 0 Sacks.
Grade C.

Ryan TE, Good Blocking TE but has no Offensive skill whatsoever. 4 years, 9 catches for 90 yards and 0 TD's.
Grade D.

McCown QB, 6 years and only 6,500 yards passing. Destined to ride out the rest of his career as a back up but shuold be able to compete with Beck for the starting job in Miami.
Grade C-/D.

Wilford WR, Big guy Solid #2 Reciever for the Phins. Good pick up.
Grade B+.

Smiley G, Fast Lineman who has a quick burts off the line and great lateral speed. Tough, played through a seperated shoulder in '06 but went down with an anterior tear of his right labrum (shoulder). Expected to be OK by camp.
Grade... Tough one. Would have been a B+/A- but using your formula of games missed, problematic shoulders and going to a crummy line I would have to drop his grade to a B-.

Miami did pick up allot of guys but not much talent. C-/C is a fair grade.

On a side note, after Fergie got hurt last year (1st game) he was contemplating retirement. Not the best aquisition.

Justasportsfan
03-05-2008, 02:13 PM
Probably too early to grade but a half-hazard guess.

Patriots - D. Resigned Moss which was big. But lost a few pieces (Starting CB, Starting S and top nickelback). Have not addressed aging LB's or gutted secondary. Patriots usually are not big on FA (last year was exception). They will probably make this up in the draft based on history.

Bills - C so far. Stroud is a nice player they acquired via trade. But he is not young and had a couple of injuries. Lets see how much value he still has left. If they acquire Johnson at WR will help some.

Dolphins - B+. No homeruns but acquired at least one proven starter (Smiley) and a few YOUNG solid guys who can start (Starks, Wilford and Torbor) with some upside. Traded for another stopgap starter in Fergunson who can help train our future NT's. Also signed some special team standouts (Anderson, Kircus). No overly large bonus given that can kill cap room such as a Joey Porter last year.

Jets - D. If they had a legitimate QB and a couple of playmaking WR's I might make this an A. But a team without a single above average player at any skill position (T. Jones is average and Coles can be if healthy) should not be spending so much on 2 aging players over 30 (Woody and Faneca). A declining 29 yo D-lineman with attitude and 2 major injuries in last 4 years (Jenkins). And a DE converted LB who has one season at slightly above average play and 3 with below average play (Pace). By the time the Jets develop a QB, Faneca and Woody will be in mid 30's and possible cap cuts. Jenkins is a wild card and you may be sursing the Pace signing the way Dolphins curse the Porter signing.

Good luck. :sidelol:


Actually there are other :sidelol: posts here but NJfinfan covered it .

Mike13
03-05-2008, 03:19 PM
And now we come to main problem of these comparisons, too much bias by the fans.

John from Hemet
03-26-2008, 04:57 PM
That makes no sense at all.

If you want to talk about Strouds injury then fine, but dont say he isnt a great player. The Bills doctors are some of the best in the world and they checked him out. He had time to heal.

Not to mention the fact that Stroud is a former 3 time pro bowler and not old

The thing is....grading free agency is a hard thing to do....the jets and miami had NOWHERE to go but up so they signed a lot of players you could give them a good grade for recognising that and spending the money

The bills had a better record despite have something like 12 players on injured reserve and key guys to....there were a lot of special teamers starting and guys stocking shelves picked up to even field a team. Then you could make a case for them identifying particular needs and picking up key pieces for those needs for a good grade.

The bills defense will be better this year there is no doubt about that.....the question is will not picking up offensive FA players hurt them......

TomBradyWoot
03-26-2008, 10:44 PM
Probably too early to grade but a half-hazard guess.

Patriots - D. Resigned Moss which was big. But lost a few pieces (Starting CB, Starting S and top nickelback). Have not addressed aging LB's or gutted secondary. Patriots usually are not big on FA (last year was exception). They will probably make this up in the draft based on history.

Bills - C so far. Stroud is a nice player they acquired via trade. But he is not young and had a couple of injuries. Lets see how much value he still has left. If they acquire Johnson at WR will help some.

Dolphins - B+. No homeruns but acquired at least one proven starter (Smiley) and a few YOUNG solid guys who can start (Starks, Wilford and Torbor) with some upside. Traded for another stopgap starter in Fergunson who can help train our future NT's. Also signed some special team standouts (Anderson, Kircus). No overly large bonus given that can kill cap room such as a Joey Porter last year.

Jets - D. If they had a legitimate QB and a couple of playmaking WR's I might make this an A. But a team without a single above average player at any skill position (T. Jones is average and Coles can be if healthy) should not be spending so much on 2 aging players over 30 (Woody and Faneca). A declining 29 yo D-lineman with attitude and 2 major injuries in last 4 years (Jenkins). And a DE converted LB who has one season at slightly above average play and 3 with below average play (Pace). By the time the Jets develop a QB, Faneca and Woody will be in mid 30's and possible cap cuts. Jenkins is a wild card and you may be sursing the Pace signing the way Dolphins curse the Porter signing.

Good luck.
I'm not here to defend that we didn't go ahead and pick up a huge free agent (then again, outside of Adalius Thomas, when have we ever?) and we should be given an A by everybody but, Eugene Wilson wasn't even the starting safety. He was the 4th safety by the end of the year, James Sanders started and Meriweather the 4th CB/3rd Safety that Wilson was for a few games. Randall Gay was okay as a nickleback, he's a solid tackler and keeps plays in front of him but isn't someone who's going be able to cover a good slot receiver. IMO he would've been a good fit for a Tampa 2 type scheme but, in NO he should be okay too. Asante Samuel is a tough loss. We all knew it was coming but, tough loss nonetheless. Stallworth didn't do a whole lot, sure he had some nice plays but he still had less than 50 catches and by the end Gaffney had overtaken him as the #3. Plus they invested a high 2nd round pick in Chad Jackson two years ago and want to see him step up as that #4/becoming #3 this year and didn't feel the need to exercise Stallworth's $8Million option bonus. Colvin was good but always seemed to be injured, he missed the end of two seasons due to being on IR. And re-signing Randy Moss is one of the biggest moves in Free Agency. If he had gone anywhere else it would've been huge for that team.

We lost some depth, but outside of Samuel nobody really all that important. Depth can be restocked in the draft, as it always is here in New England. The cornerback issue is what it is, a problem. I'd give us a B-. But that's just me.

Jets81
03-27-2008, 08:27 AM
Jets - B- . Why a B-? Because you lost a good player in Vilma. I dont want to hear he didnt fit the 3-4 because we dont know how anyone fits right now. He is a good player. Faneca and Jenkins are studs. Woody is overweight. Maybe he can be your overweight reclamation project like we did with Walker last year, but he has to stya on the field for that to happen. Pace is an up and coming player, just doesnt strike fear into me.


You wouldn't be a little worried if you saw this running at you?

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2008/03/6354-1.jpg

John from Hemet
03-27-2008, 03:38 PM
I'm not here to defend that we didn't go ahead and pick up a huge free agent (then again, outside of Adalius Thomas, when have we ever?) and we should be given an A by everybody but, Eugene Wilson wasn't even the starting safety. He was the 4th safety by the end of the year, James Sanders started and Meriweather the 4th CB/3rd Safety that Wilson was for a few games. Randall Gay was okay as a nickleback, he's a solid tackler and keeps plays in front of him but isn't someone who's going be able to cover a good slot receiver. IMO he would've been a good fit for a Tampa 2 type scheme but, in NO he should be okay too. Asante Samuel is a tough loss. We all knew it was coming but, tough loss nonetheless. Stallworth didn't do a whole lot, sure he had some nice plays but he still had less than 50 catches and by the end Gaffney had overtaken him as the #3. Plus they invested a high 2nd round pick in Chad Jackson two years ago and want to see him step up as that #4/becoming #3 this year and didn't feel the need to exercise Stallworth's $8Million option bonus. Colvin was good but always seemed to be injured, he missed the end of two seasons due to being on IR. And re-signing Randy Moss is one of the biggest moves in Free Agency. If he had gone anywhere else it would've been huge for that team.

We lost some depth, but outside of Samuel nobody really all that important. Depth can be restocked in the draft, as it always is here in New England. The cornerback issue is what it is, a problem. I'd give us a B-. But that's just me.

Depth is a great thing until you have to use it.....the Bills can attest to that.

BuffaloSoldier2
03-27-2008, 11:59 PM
You wouldn't be a little worried if you saw this running at you?

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2008/03/6354-1.jpg

He looks confused. :unsure:

Pinkboy
03-28-2008, 04:13 AM
I'm not so sure I agree about Wilford, I have done some reading about him on the Jags sites and according to Jag fans he's a very dependable sure handed WR. (Big Ernie) as Jag fans call him has enamored himself with Jag fans.


Wilford is a carbon copy of Oronde Gadsden

djfresh47
03-28-2008, 04:14 PM
Bills- B+
Pats-C
Dolphins-D
Jets-C+

I'm not enamored with the moves the Dolphins made. Perhaps I need the kool-aide others drink.