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Nublar7
03-09-2008, 07:50 PM
POSTED 7:21 p.m. EDT, March 9, 2008

DEFENSIVE TACKLE TRADES BRING FALSE HOPE

We continue to receive e-mails from readers who support the various teams who picked up via trade arguably washed-up defensive tackles.

And we continue to disagree.

If Shaun Rogers or Kris Jenkins or Marcus Stroud were that good, their former teams wouldn't have traded them. As a general rule, NFL franchises don't let truly invaluable players get out of their clutches.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

#1dolphinsfan
03-09-2008, 08:08 PM
I think Rogers and jenkins got Way over Paid they are good but Jenkins gets hurt to much and Rogers just doesnt want to try that hard

BleedinGreenNC
03-09-2008, 08:25 PM
I think Rogers and jenkins got Way over Paid they are good but Jenkins gets hurt to much and Rogers just doesnt want to try that hard


I think Jenkins missed 1 game in 2 seasons, Rogers doesnt have the drive anymore.

#1dolphinsfan
03-09-2008, 08:28 PM
I think Jenkins missed 1 game in 2 seasons, Rogers doesnt have the drive anymore.
yea ur right he hasnt missed any game the last two season but he is one of those guys that gets injuryed alot

nyjunc
03-10-2008, 05:57 AM
yea ur right he hasnt missed any game the last two season but he is one of those guys that gets injuryed alot

He had a 2 year stretch of injruies but before and after he has been very healthy and jenkins wasn't overpaid, he got $9.5 mil in guaranteed money compared to $20+ mil for Rogers.

BleedinGreenNC
03-10-2008, 07:13 AM
yea ur right he hasnt missed any game the last two season but he is one of those guys that gets injuryed alot


Hasnt missed games last 2 years, and he gets injured a lot?:rolleyes:

Mike13
03-10-2008, 10:47 AM
If Shaun Rogers or Kris Jenkins or Marcus Stroud were that good, their former teams wouldn't have traded them. As a general rule, NFL franchises don't let truly invaluable players get out of their clutches.


Thats got to be the stpuidest thing ever written.
There have been plenty of bad trades in this league

Brassmonki14120
03-10-2008, 12:31 PM
By giving Rogers and Jenkins new contracts, the Browns and the Jets have taken a huge risk that both of them won't try as hard as they can. The Bills merely shuffled some of Stroud's money around, but didn't give him the big raise he wanted. Of the three, then, he's the most likely one to come out playing hard.

All three teams likely regard the risk as justifiable based on the fact that the Giants proved to the football world that the way to get past the Patriots is with a dominant defensive line. (Not coincidentally, two of the three teams play in the AFC East and the other has designs on soon competing with the Patriots for elite status in the conference.)

John from Hemet
03-26-2008, 05:03 PM
For the bills part while I expect Stroud to play well and be a contributer what really opens things up is this allows McCargo to slide into the 3 Tech spot next to him.....

McCargo was really coming on last season and as a starter with a stud next to him look for that name as one of the top DT's by the end of the season.

Having stout DT's will of course help our LB's in Poz, Crowell, and our incoming Kavika Mitchell

Justasportsfan
03-31-2008, 11:54 AM
Thats got to be the stpuidest thing ever written.
There have been plenty of bad trades in this league


:up: Moss was such a crappy player that the raiders got rid of him for a 4th.

Jets81
03-31-2008, 12:30 PM
Thats got to be the stpuidest thing ever written.
There have been plenty of bad trades in this league

Thats the truth plain and simple. There's no guarantee that any of these moves will work out, but you can't fault the teams that brought them in for trying to plug holes with the best available talent.

retired opfinistic
03-31-2008, 12:40 PM
As a general rule, NFL franchises don't let truly invaluable players get out of their clutches.

The thing is a player that is 'invaluable' to a team may not be the right player for another team and it's system. Look at Welker, for example, he was a good player in Miami, but in New England he was crucial to their 07 success. If he remained here, he would have been just another guy who had an average season.

nyjunc
03-31-2008, 01:00 PM
The thing is a player that is 'invaluable' to a team may not be the right player for another team and it's system. Look at Welker, for example, he was a good player in Miami, but in New England he was crucial to their 07 success. If he remained here, he would have been just another guy who had an average season.

Welker wasn't crucial to their success, they were winning as much as they did w/ or w/o him. he benfitted from the Pats having so many other weapons but he wasn't a great player. He's a good player but not a key player.

HaRdKoReXXX
03-31-2008, 01:03 PM
Welker wasn't crucial to their success, they were winning as much as they did w/ or w/o him. he benfitted from the Pats having so many other weapons but he wasn't a great player. He's a good player but not a key player.

Your kidding right? That has to be the most ignorant thing Ive ever read on this site.

nyjunc
03-31-2008, 01:22 PM
Your kidding right? That has to be the most ignorant thing Ive ever read on this site.

Welker was the most overrated player in the game last year. His 10 yards per rec average was not crucial to NE's success. He got alot of his #s in garbage time when NE was running up the score and ANY WR could put up those #s w/ the other weapons NE had. Teams were not scared of Welker, they were scared of Moss and they took away Moss in the postseason allowing welker to beat them which is why the playoff games were close and they lost the SB.

Jets81
03-31-2008, 01:36 PM
Welker was the most overrated player in the game last year. His 10 yards per rec average was not crucial to NE's success. He got alot of his #s in garbage time when NE was running up the score and ANY WR could put up those #s w/ the other weapons NE had. Teams were not scared of Welker, they were scared of Moss and they took away Moss in the postseason allowing welker to beat them which is why the playoff games were close and they lost the SB.

This is true.

PhinzN703
03-31-2008, 01:39 PM
Welker was the most overrated player in the game last year. His 10 yards per rec average was not crucial to NE's success. He got alot of his #s in garbage time when NE was running up the score and ANY WR could put up those #s w/ the other weapons NE had. Teams were not scared of Welker, they were scared of Moss and they took away Moss in the postseason allowing welker to beat them which is why the playoff games were close and they lost the SB.

Either way I'd love to have a guy who you deem as an alright player for the kinda of stats he had.

Oh wait, we did have him....

:lol:

HaRdKoReXXX
03-31-2008, 01:59 PM
Welker was the most overrated player in the game last year. His 10 yards per rec average was not crucial to NE's success. He got alot of his #s in garbage time when NE was running up the score and ANY WR could put up those #s w/ the other weapons NE had. Teams were not scared of Welker, they were scared of Moss and they took away Moss in the postseason allowing welker to beat them which is why the playoff games were close and they lost the SB.

Im sure if it was a Jets player who had the kind of year Wes had you'd be saying the same thing right?

BTW, there's a long list of reasons as to why the Pats lost the SB, the one you listed was pretty low on it.

nyjunc
03-31-2008, 02:07 PM
Im sure if it was a Jets player who had the kind of year Wes had you'd be saying the same thing right?

BTW, there's a long list of reasons as to why the Pats lost the SB, the one you listed was pretty low on it.


The people that do not know me always assume I am pro-Jets everything and anti-Miami/NE everything but that's not the case. I just speak the truth whether it's for or against my team. I think Marino is the best QB I have ever seen(w/ Brady ready to pass him), I think Namath is the most overrated player in the history of the game, I think Chrebet was a little overrated. I loved Chrebet and I'd love a Welker but that doesn't make them great players.

BillsFanInPeace
03-31-2008, 03:23 PM
Best thing I like about the Stroud Deal compared to the others is we did not have to give him a new contract.

retired opfinistic
04-01-2008, 12:14 PM
Welker wasn't crucial to their success, they were winning as much as they did w/ or w/o him. he benfitted from the Pats having so many other weapons but he wasn't a great player. He's a good player but not a key player.
I respectfully disagree. (God I miss The Depths) Welker was huge due to the opposing defenses focusing on that other wide receiver...what was name? Oh yeah, Moss.

HaRdKoReXXX
04-01-2008, 01:07 PM
I respectfully disagree. (God I miss The Depths) Welker was huge due to the opposing defenses focusing on that other wide receiver...what was name? Oh yeah, Moss.

Off topic: Op have you checked out Mors new site, Finhell.com? Some pretty good Depths-like banter over there.

PhinFan0202
04-01-2008, 02:09 PM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

I'm going to have to disagree with that statement because players that have a change of scenery seemed to very well last year. Randy Moss and Jamal Lewis were "washed up", "they just don't have it anymore", blah blah blah. Jamal Lewis ran all over defenses last year and Randy Moss broke several records.

retired opfinistic
04-01-2008, 02:45 PM
Off topic: Op have you checked out Mors new site, Finhell.com? Some pretty good Depths-like banter over there.
http://finhell.com/finhell/forum/index.php?profile=42

HaRdKoReXXX
04-01-2008, 02:53 PM
I added you as a buddy... 'buddy' sounds a little soft for that site. I added you as a 'Comrade'. (Soviet terms always sound more badass) :hi5: