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RUDEbyallMEANS
08-26-2003, 02:17 PM
One guy proposed a trade giving me Torry Holt and Donte Stallworth for Josh reed and Eric Moulds..

What are your thoughts??

My roster is as follows..
Brees, Mcnair, Green, Holcomb
Ricky, Jamal Lewis, Duckett, Bettis
Moulds, Driver, Toomer, Reed, Quincy Morgan, Kevin Johnson, Derrius thompson..
Green bay defense, Josh brown kicker

My league is not a keeper league and it is
1 point per 10 receiving yards,
1 point per rushing yards,
1 point per 25 yards..
6 points rushing TD
6 points receiving TD
4 points passing TD
-2 point per fumble
-2 points per INT

I alos have to start 1 QB, 2 RB's, 3 WR/TE, 1 Kicker, 1 Def/SPT

Emskirch
08-26-2003, 04:11 PM
Being that Reed may not keep the #2 spot, I would make that trade.

RUDEbyallMEANS
08-27-2003, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by Emskirch
Being that Reed may not keep the #2 spot, I would make that trade.

Emskirch, This guy has proposed to me 2 trades.. Both trades are for me to give up Eric Moulds and Josh Reed..
1. Torry Holt and Stallworth From New Orleans
2. Torry Holt and Darrell Jackson from Seattle

Should I make one of these trades??
With Warner going down last year and the inconsistent QB situation last year, Torry Holt put up 91 catches for 1302 yards and 4 TD's.. With Warner healthy and the Rams offense looking to be on track.. Do you see Torry Holt out performing Moulds??
Would you rather have Stallworth or Darrell Jackson?? Darrell Jackson looks to me like he's going to break the 1,000 yard mark and may perform better than Koren Robinson.. Let me know what you think.. Thanks..

UT-Phinz
08-27-2003, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by RUDEbyallMEANS


Emskirch, This guy has proposed to me 2 trades.. Both trades are for me to give up Eric Moulds and Josh Reed..
1. Torry Holt and Stallworth From New Orleans
2. Torry Holt and Darrell Jackson from Seattle

Should I make one of these trades??
With Warner going down last year and the inconsistent QB situation last year, Torry Holt put up 91 catches for 1302 yards and 4 TD's.. With Warner healthy and the Rams offense looking to be on track.. Do you see Torry Holt out performing Moulds??
Would you rather have Stallworth or Darrell Jackson?? Darrell Jackson looks to me like he's going to break the 1,000 yard mark and may perform better than Koren Robinson.. Let me know what you think.. Thanks..

My personal take on this trade is it's good, but I'd go for Holt and Stallworth over Holt and Jackson. While both Koren Robinson and Darrell Jackson have the potential to clear 1000 yards receiving, Robinson is gonna get the bulk of the TD catches. He's much more of a TD threat than Jackson is. I'd estimate Jackson gets 5 TDs, while Robinson will probably break double digits.

Stallworth on the other hand... I can't say enough about him. This guy runs a 4.2 40. There is fast, there's blazing fast, and then there is Donte Stallworth fast. I think Stallworth is going to outprodue Joe Horn this year as long as he doesn't have any problem with his hamstrings like last year. The guy pushes himself so hard that he strains his own hamstrings, but during the offseason he started working with a track specialist and has a new excercise and stretching regimen to prevent further hamstring problems this year.

You aren't gonna see a ton of difference in the production that Eric Moulds would have got you over Torry Holt, but you will see a ton of difference with Stallworth over Josh Reed. By making this trade, it gives you two #1 receivers in Holt and Toomer and two different #2 receivers in Driver and Stallworth. Your recieving corps will be phenomenal!!!

RUDEbyallMEANS
08-27-2003, 06:56 PM
Thanks for the info. UT... I was thinking about Jackson and Stallworth matchup and came up looking at the strength of schedule... Darrell Jackson is matching up against the NFC North secondaries and the AFC North secondaries.. Those 2 divisions have average secondaries at best excluding the Ravens.. That was the reason why I was leaning towards Darrell Jackson over Stallworth.. Stallworth had 8 Td's as a rookie and thats a very nice stat.. I'll go ahead and go with what you said.. Thanks for the info. man..

UT-Phinz
08-27-2003, 07:06 PM
Not a problem man... always happy to help. Just don't hold it against me if Jackson kicks the crap out of Stallworth this year. Although these are educated guesses, at their core they are still speculation on the year to come, and I don't own a crystal ball.

:hitself:

RUDEbyallMEANS
08-27-2003, 07:10 PM
UT.. Nah man.. Your educated guesses are much better than my uneducated guesses..:lol:.. I wont hold a grudge.. ;)

I also have another question.. I joined my second fantasy team and I have the final pick on the first round (10th).. What strategy would you go with picking last in the first round and having 19 picks go before you before you pick again?? Take top 2 RB's left or take Harrison if he's there??

UT-Phinz
08-27-2003, 07:33 PM
It all depends upon how the people before you draft. If anyone is dumb enough to jump on McNabb in the first round, you may end up having one of the quality RBs drop to ya. I recently had a draft in a 12 team league where I drafted last. I ended up taking Edgerrin James, and then Ahman Green with the 1st pick of the 2nd round. Alot of it depends upon your league scoring system though.

Depending upon if all of the previous picks were spent on RBs, I might debate even taking both Harrison and Owens, or Harrison and Moss so that I would totally dominate at WR through the whole year, and then end up picking up two second rate RBs. It's a risky strategy, but it can work. You can also potentially use one as trade bait to try to get a better RB.

The safe bet though, is to go with two RBs. I'll give you my first 11, since those are the ones you will be seeing on the board when your pick rolls around.

1. L Tomlinson SD 6
2. C Portis DEN 10
3. R Williams MIA 4
4. M Faulk STL 5
5. P Holmes KC 9
6. S Alexander SEA 4
7. D McAllister NO 10
8. T Henry BUF 9
9. E James IND 7
10. A Green GB 8
11. T Barber NYG 4

I think Edge is gonna return to his old form from before the knee injury which plagued his production last year which means he may end up producing like a top 5 RB. The reason I don't have Faulk and Holmes ranked higher is due to injury concerns, but they could end up being the #1 and #2 back of the year if they don't have problems with their durability.

MOULDSROCKS
08-28-2003, 05:31 PM
You take Stallworth and Holt over Moulds for this:


Holt won't get E-mo's TD's, but he'll get close in yards
Stallworth will get TD's, and yards, ina full season as a starter, in a wide-open offense with a maturing QB.

Reed is the #2. No doubts. I don't know where you're getting your info....
but he's probably not the next coming of Price. Let's get real. He'll be an above average #2 and get you a good 800-900 yards and a couple TD's, but he's not a huge red zone threat (Moulds is though).


Overall, it's a fairly even trade, but I see this:

E-mo.... 1400-1500 yards and 8-12 TD's (depends on red zone playcalling.... will we hand it off more?)
Josh..... 800-900 yards and 5 TD's.

So you get: 2200-2400 yards and about 15 Td's?

vs

Holt...... 1300-1400 yards and 7 TD's
Stallworth..... 1200 yards (ala Peerless of 02) and 10 Td's

2500-2600 yards and 17 Td's =


Holt and Stallworth combo wins IMO.

RUDEbyallMEANS
08-28-2003, 05:34 PM
The guy proposed that trade to me and revoked it as I was going to accept it.. He changed his mind so I dont know what else we would be discuss trade-wise..
What about a Moulds and Quincy Morgan for Holt and Stallworth??