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fin-atic
03-26-2008, 10:09 PM
All:

FinHeaven is proud to present our capoligist FinFrenzy's latest update!

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Read and...talk amoungst yourselves.

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FinFrenzy
03-26-2008, 11:39 PM
Hello Everyone :waving:


I have posted my Cap Spreadsheet in order to help give us all a grasp of our cap situation. Please remember some parts can be right and some can be wrong a lot of the figures have to do with information that is available and some info we have to take our best guess at. It is for us to play with and to have somewhat of a grasp of where we are I do not expect this to be completely accurate it’s for our entertainment.

Some of these players contracts are so hard to decipher I probably can split an atom with my brain waves before figuring them out…..

I am not a Cap expert nor profess to be. I like numbers and enjoy creating spreadsheets. That is why I did this for finheaven. Therefore if you notice something that’s wrong don’t hesitate to post it, or pm me and I will correct it. This is finheaven’s community Cap sheet everyone’s input is highly valued. :bighug:

A lot of player’s contract info can be found just surfing the web and there are invaluable sites right now such as rotoworld, usatoday, our local newspapers, etc.

I added estimated contract values for fun if anyone wanted to know, the value of contracts out there for any one position on the team. If you have any suggestions to add anything, don’t hesitate, that’s what this is here for.

Another interesting topic on salary caps is franchise/transition tags for that info nfl.com has a great page of info linked here: http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d806a24a3&template=without-video&confirm=true from nfl.com.

I will eventually add LTBE and NLTBE which are abbreviations for likely to be earned and not likely to be earned bonuses.

The adjusted cap figure for the dolphins comes into play since there were LTBE incentives charged to our cap last year of $3,945,000. Which were not earned by their respective players however it was included in the cap value last year so it is an additional cap value this year.

I will keep editing the cap page so keep your eyes out. :bugeye:

That’s it enjoy fellow finheaveners………………:beer1:


**Update as of 3/29/2008 Including Crocker signing. (Changed Porter's contract with no Roster Bonus, Info from Clumpy, (Will look around but makes the most sense w/Porter)

Philter25
03-27-2008, 09:36 AM
http://www.dolphinsnation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207585

There has been a lot of confusion over Porter's contract, if you dont mind me asking, how did you come up with your numbers?

FinFrenzy
03-27-2008, 10:36 AM
http://www.dolphinsnation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207585

There has been a lot of confusion over Porter's contract, if you dont mind me asking, how did you come up with your numbers?


Sure, although that is one of the harder ones, honestly that is alot of guessing.

He got a 5yr/32m deal with 12mil signing bonus...2008 Salary 4.8mil, with a roster bonus of 8mil, he had incentives last year but was also docked around 141k for violating league conduct policy.

It's probably not right but I prorated the roster bonus, turning it into additional bonus to be spread out of the remainder of the contract which would be the way I would have worded it if I was Dolphin brass. His contract would be ungodly otherwise. We would be paying highest paid QB money. The other part of the bonus was added for this year.

Similar ones but not near this magnitude are:

Tab Perry signed a 1yr 1mil dollar deal......No disclosures of what's what just that.

David Kircus signed a 2 yr deal worth 1140k that's it....nothing else so I guessed and will update when I get more info.


What is your opinion of the Porter debacle? IMHO his contract is more like 1+1=15 instead of 1+1=2 :err:

miamiron
03-27-2008, 04:20 PM
Sure, although that is one of the harder ones, honestly that is alot of guessing.

He got a 5yr/32m deal with 12mil signing bonus...2008 Salary 4.8mil, with a roster bonus of 8mil, he had incentives last year but was also docked around 141k for violating league conduct policy.

It's probably not right but I prorated the roster bonus, turning it into additional bonus to be spread out of the remainder of the contract which would be the way I would have worded it if I was Dolphin brass. His contract would be ungodly otherwise. We would be paying highest paid QB money. The other part of the bonus was added for this year.

Similar ones but not near this magnitude are:

Tab Perry signed a 1yr 1mil dollar deal......No disclosures of what's what just that.

David Kircus signed a 2 yr deal worth 1140k that's it....nothing else so I guessed and will update when I get more info.


What is your opinion of the Porter debacle? IMHO his contract is more like 1+1=15 instead of 1+1=2 :err:

Thanks for the work involved.

As for Porter:rolleyes:,I almost fell to the floor looking at his numbers...What the hell were the brass thinking when signing him to this incredibly huge and stupid contract.

Not only has he seen his better days but he wasn't worth this kind of money during his best days.

The only good thing to look forward to is the top brass should not do these kind of absurd:rolleyes2: contracts in the future

although 4million for jason ferguson for 1 year is a bit qustionable but who and at what price could we have replaced traylor with

Wildbill3
03-27-2008, 04:57 PM
Thanks for the work involved.

As for Porter:rolleyes:,I almost fell to the floor looking at his numbers...What the hell were the brass thinking when signing him to this incredibly huge and stupid contract.

Not only has he seen his better days but he wasn't worth this kind of money during his best days.

The only good thing to look forward to is the top brass should not do these kind of absurd:rolleyes2: contracts in the future

although 4million for jason ferguson for 1 year is a bit qustionable but who and at what price could we have replaced traylor with a brick wall maybe?

FinFrenzy
03-27-2008, 11:20 PM
Ferguson is at the end of his contract with dallas we are taking on his base salary, they are taking the cap hit on his signing bonus. His cap figure was higher with Dallas.

Philter25
03-28-2008, 10:28 AM
Sure, although that is one of the harder ones, honestly that is alot of guessing.

He got a 5yr/32m deal with 12mil signing bonus...2008 Salary 4.8mil, with a roster bonus of 8mil, he had incentives last year but was also docked around 141k for violating league conduct policy.

It's probably not right but I prorated the roster bonus, turning it into additional bonus to be spread out of the remainder of the contract which would be the way I would have worded it if I was Dolphin brass. His contract would be ungodly otherwise. We would be paying highest paid QB money. The other part of the bonus was added for this year.

Similar ones but not near this magnitude are:

Tab Perry signed a 1yr 1mil dollar deal......No disclosures of what's what just that.

David Kircus signed a 2 yr deal worth 1140k that's it....nothing else so I guessed and will update when I get more info.


What is your opinion of the Porter debacle? IMHO his contract is more like 1+1=15 instead of 1+1=2 :err:

Im pretty sure prorating that "8 million bonus" isnt correct. I typed it up pretty in depth in this thread :

http://www.dolphinsnation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207585

Doing some math, the 8 million doesnt add up so I didnt think that the roster bonus which was reported by a few places was correct. I guessed also on Porter so I was just curious to see if there was anything new floating on the internet that I missed. The only place I trust is the base salaries from NFLPA.

FinFrenzy
03-28-2008, 11:30 AM
Im pretty sure prorating that "8 million bonus" isnt correct. I typed it up pretty in depth in this thread :

http://www.dolphinsnation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207585

Doing some math, the 8 million doesnt add up so I didnt think that the roster bonus which was reported by a few places was correct. I guessed also on Porter so I was just curious to see if there was anything new floating on the internet that I missed. The only place I trust is the base salaries from NFLPA.

NFLPA does not publicly report player's salaries anymore :boohoo: I even called them....(NFLPA Rep) I'm going to go check your post. :beer1:

FinFrenzy
03-28-2008, 11:37 AM
From previous thread:


Porter got 20 million guaranteed, Im assuming the reason we arent thinking about cutting him is that the signing bonus and roster bonus were guaranteed. (Since they add up to an even 20 million)

Clumpy, I have the same base salaries as you do, but if you add them up along with the 12 million signing bonus and 8 million roster bonus, its 38.5 million. His contract has been reported to be 32 million, with 20 million guaranteed. Nothing has been adding up.

Rotoworld has the same exact base salaries as NFLPA, and has the 12 million signing bonus and the 8 mil roster bonus, which adds up to 38.5. I dont know where the extra 6 million is coming from.

What do you come up with Philter? IMO his contract is crazy, there has to be more to it. Why would we sign someone give them a 12mil signing bonus and another 8 mil roster bonus the following year. Why not make a 20mil signing bonus? Which would add up to the guarantees. In turn lower his salary should have been lowered, I could live with a 7mil cap hit with him.

Clumpy
03-28-2008, 11:51 PM
Porter rec'd a $12 million signing bonus prorated over 5 yrs. He does not have an $8 million roster bonus. His salaries were guaranteed

Wildbill3
03-29-2008, 12:11 AM
Porter rec'd a $12 million signing bonus prorated over 5 yrs. He does not have an $8 million roster bonus. His salaries were guaranteed
thanks for the hand clumpy! can we hate porter now? you want him? :lol:

Clumpy
03-29-2008, 12:21 AM
Nope, he's all yours.........enjoy :D

FinFrenzy
03-29-2008, 08:30 AM
Porter rec'd a $12 million signing bonus prorated over 5 yrs. He does not have an $8 million roster bonus. His salaries were guaranteed


Hmmm...are you saying the 8mil roster bonus was included in the signing bonus or the reports of an 8mil roster are false?

Clumpy
03-29-2008, 10:57 AM
There was no $8 million roster bonus

His guaranteed money breaks down as follows:

$12 million signing bonus (prorated at $2.4 million/season for 5 yrs)

His entire 2008 salary is "guaranteed" but not prorated. If he's cut, he gets the $4.8 million

$2 million of his 2009 salary is guaranteed

$1 million roster bonus in 2010

12 + 4.8 + 2 + 1 = 19.8 million

FinFrenzy
03-29-2008, 11:50 AM
There was no $8 million roster bonus

His guaranteed money breaks down as follows:

$12 million signing bonus (prorated at $2.4 million/season for 5 yrs)

His entire 2008 salary is "guaranteed" but not prorated. If he's cut, he gets the $4.8 million

$2 million of his 2009 salary is guaranteed

$1 million roster bonus in 2010

12 + 4.8 + 2 + 1 = 19.8 million

:hi5: That makes more sense, where did you find he's not getting a roster bonus?

Clumpy
03-29-2008, 12:32 PM
:foundout:

Wildbill3
03-29-2008, 01:17 PM
:foundout:lol can't say I didn't see that coming... well thanks for the info now we just gotta find a way to confirm it. :up:

FinFrenzy
03-29-2008, 02:09 PM
:foundout:

:chuckle:

Philter25
03-30-2008, 09:32 PM
Per what I posted in the other Porter thread:


I just read that his 4.8 milllion salary this year is guaranteed, along with 2 million of his 4.8 salary next year.



There was no $8 million roster bonus

His guaranteed money breaks down as follows:

$12 million signing bonus (prorated at $2.4 million/season for 5 yrs)

His entire 2008 salary is "guaranteed" but not prorated. If he's cut, he gets the $4.8 million

$2 million of his 2009 salary is guaranteed

$1 million roster bonus in 2010

12 + 4.8 + 2 + 1 = 19.8 million

Clumpy's breakdown matches what I had, only Clumpy said a 1 million roster bonus and I had a 1.2 million roster bonus. Thanks for posting that Clumpy, I feel better about my numbers that someone else can verify them.

:hi5: That makes more sense, where did you find he's not getting a roster bonus?

Top secret places. ;)

Wildbill3
03-30-2008, 09:42 PM
Per what I posted in the other Porter thread:





Clumpy's breakdown matches what I had, only Clumpy said a 1 million roster bonus and I had a 1.2 million roster bonus. Thanks for posting that Clumpy, I feel better about my numbers that someone else can verify them.


Top secret places. ;)so um how about some stamps and a jawbreaker? :d-day:

Clumpy
03-31-2008, 04:46 AM
I cannot reveal my sources :foundout:

1 dol fan
04-06-2008, 03:42 PM
So exactly how would it affect our cap space if JT was traded to another team?

FinFrenzy
04-07-2008, 08:09 AM
So exactly how would it affect our cap space if JT was traded to another team?

We would save roughly 7.5mil. ;)

TyBless
08-03-2008, 09:57 PM
my email is tybless@gmail.com.. not sure where you are with the leagues, but if there's a spot, send me an invite.

MDFINFAN
06-12-2009, 12:44 PM
I cannot reveal my sources :foundout:
USATODAy.....:lol::lol::lol::lol:


Joey Porter Linebacker 3/6/2007: Signed a five-year, $32 million contract. The deal contains $20 million guaranteed, including a $12 million signing bonus. 2009: $4.8 million, 2010: $3.6 million, 2011: $4.5 million, 2012: Free Agent

Philter25
06-15-2009, 02:03 PM
USATODAy.....:lol::lol::lol::lol:


Joey Porter Linebacker 3/6/2007: Signed a five-year, $32 million contract. The deal contains $20 million guaranteed, including a $12 million signing bonus. 2009: $4.8 million, 2010: $3.6 million, 2011: $4.5 million, 2012: Free Agent


USATODAY knows base salaries and overall value, but thats about it. 20 million guaranteed with 12 million signing bonus..... so wheres that other 8 million guaraneed located?

Thats where sources help you out. :chuckle:

Southbeach 2
06-18-2009, 02:55 PM
USATODAY knows base salaries and overall value, but thats about it. 20 million guaranteed with 12 million signing bonus..... so wheres that other 8 million guaraneed located?

Thats where sources help you out. :chuckle:

DAMN, you still banging on that cowbell. It's been 5 freakin years, and you're still at it. :)

I used to enjoy playing with cap numbers but, the NFL (for whatever reason) cut off the info a few years ago. I spoke to a few writers fron the Herald, and they have no idea why and have troble answering cap questions even with NFLPA contacts. USA is OK, but has limited info.

Phinsmania.com is also pretty good.

FinsKickArse
08-01-2009, 10:54 PM
i believe this spreadsheet is about due for an update lol