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finfanfromcsu
04-21-2008, 03:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98


I feel so much better about any draft we've had after watching this!

nyjunc
04-21-2008, 03:33 PM
and here wo go again, this is at least the 10th time this has been posted. i hope it makes you feel better to see draft blunders from 15-25 years+ years ago but if you put together a reel from the past decade you'd get alot more comedy from the dolphins. The article below is more current:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2007/04/26/2007-04-26_jet_draft_stock_soars.html

finfanfromcsu
04-21-2008, 03:49 PM
i hope it makes you feel better to see draft blunders from 15-25 years+ years ago



It actually does, that was the purpose of posting this. Goal achieved!

nyjunc
04-21-2008, 04:12 PM
It actually does, that was the purpose of posting this. Goal achieved!

That is nice, I'll make myself feel better w/ the dolphins draft blunders of the past decade and w/ Bill Parcells poor track record as a GM.

FinfanInBuffalo
04-21-2008, 04:43 PM
and here wo go again, this is at least the 10th time this has been posted. i hope it makes you feel better to see draft blunders from 15-25 years+ years ago but if you put together a reel from the past decade you'd get alot more comedy from the dolphins. The article below is more current:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2007/04/26/2007-04-26_jet_draft_stock_soars.html

I agree that this is old news, but did you see the smirk on Rozelle's face as he was announcing the Roger Vick pick? Jesus, I thought he was going to bust up laughing. Also, this was a montage created by ESPN just a few years ago. They felt it deserved a special place during a recent draft coverage.

BTW, if it makes you feel any better, the Fins drafted John Bosa :boohoo: in the same year that the Jets drafted Vick.

GreenMachine
05-01-2008, 02:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98


I feel so much better about any draft we've had after watching this!

Ted Ginn Jr.
Jason Allen
Vernon Carey
Jamar Fletcher
John Avery
Yatil Green
Daryl Gardener
Billy Milner
Tim Bowens
O.J. McDuffie


Those are some stellar 1st round picks in the last 15 years

FinfanInBuffalo
05-02-2008, 04:58 PM
Ted Ginn Jr.
Jason Allen
Vernon Carey
Jamar Fletcher
John Avery
Yatil Green
Daryl Gardener
Billy Milner
Tim Bowens
O.J. McDuffie


Those are some stellar 1st round picks in the last 15 years

What the heck is wrong with McDuffie, Bowens, and Carey? The jury is still out in Jason Allen. Gardener was a beast until he got hurt. Yatil Green blew out both knees. Milner, Avery, and Fletcher were busts.


Jets fans have no right to talk. They will forever be the only team in the NFL to have passed on Dan Marino, Emmitt Smith, and Jerry Rice and to have taken a different player at the same position in each of those years. :(

How much different would the Jets have been with Marino, Smith, and Rice instead of O'Brien, Thomas, and Toon? Too funny.

How about Kyle Brady, Johnny Mitchell, and Pennington? Even when the Jets get lucky enough to draft a decent player, they can't keep them on their team (Hugh Douglas, John Abraham, Vilma, Keyshawn, Farrior, Moss, Robertson).

The Jets have drafted a TE in the first round 4 times since 1992. WTF.

Jetsfan0099
05-02-2008, 05:09 PM
What the heck is wrong with McDuffie, Bowens, and Carey? The jury is still out in Jason Allen. Gardener was a beast until he got hurt. Yatil Green blew out both knees. Milner, Avery, and Fletcher were busts.


Jets fans have no right to talk. They will forever be the only team in the NFL to have passed on Dan Marino, Emmitt Smith, and Jerry Rice and to have taken a different player at the same position in each of those years. :(

How much different would the Jets have been with Marino, Smith, and Rice instead of O'Brien, Thomas, and Toon? Too funny.

How about Kyle Brady, Johnny Mitchell, and Pennington? Even when the Jets get lucky enough to draft a decent player, they can't keep them on their team (Hugh Douglas, John Abraham, Vilma, Keyshawn, Farrior, Moss, Robertson).

The Jets have drafted a TE in the first round 4 times since 1992. WTF.
What about D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold, Darrelle Revis?? 2 of them look like future pro bowlers and all pro, and 1 the jury is still out, but shown signs of dominance at times.

FinfanInBuffalo
05-02-2008, 06:48 PM
What about D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold, Darrelle Revis?? 2 of them look like future pro bowlers and all pro, and 1 the jury is still out, but shown signs of dominance at times.

Both teams have done better recently. Ronnie Brown was leading the league in rushing last year. Vernon Carey is potential probowl RT. Satele looked real good for a rookie center. Ted Ginn showed signs of being a very dangerous player. Too early to tell about Beck.

It's no secret that the Jets and the Fins are have retooled big time over the last two off seasons. That was necessary, in part, due to poor drafting by both teams.

nyjunc
05-03-2008, 07:14 AM
Both teams have done better recently. Ronnie Brown was leading the league in rushing last year. Vernon Carey is potential probowl RT. Satele looked real good for a rookie center. Ted Ginn showed signs of being a very dangerous player. Too early to tell about Beck.

It's no secret that the Jets and the Fins are have retooled big time over the last two off seasons. That was necessary, in part, due to poor drafting by both teams.


They Jets have drafted well all decade, it's not a new thing. Those awful Jet drafts of the past are from 15-25 years ago.

FinfanInBuffalo
05-04-2008, 10:31 PM
They Jets have drafted well all decade, it's not a new thing. Those awful Jet drafts of the past are from 15-25 years ago.

It doesn't do them much good when they can't keep the players on their roster. Robertson, Vilma, Abraham, Moss, Hobson, etc, etc. all gone. From the 2003, and 2004 drafts (the players that should be the heart of your roster), one player remains. They have had a ton of first round picks this decade (13!). I'm not so sure that they have made the most of them.

jetsman
05-04-2008, 11:47 PM
It doesn't do them much good when they can't keep the players on their roster. Robertson, Vilma, Abraham, Moss, Hobson, etc, etc. all gone. From the 2003, and 2004 drafts (the players that should be the heart of your roster), one player remains. They have had a ton of first round picks this decade (13!). I'm not so sure that they have made the most of them.
They are gone because they were drafted to play in a 4-3 system and we switched to a 3-4 system when Mangini came aboard.They are all good players,they just don't fit the 3-4 system that has been installed.We CHOSE not to keep them.It wasn't that we lost them because of some ineptitude on the part of our front office.
We also have not had a "ton" of first round picks this decade.Many teams have had much,much more than the Jets.Our roster has been completely overhauled in the last three years and is now filled with players who fit the system that Mangini prefers.It's going to be a fun year this season.:)

nyjunc
05-05-2008, 05:23 AM
It doesn't do them much good when they can't keep the players on their roster. Robertson, Vilma, Abraham, Moss, Hobson, etc, etc. all gone. From the 2003, and 2004 drafts (the players that should be the heart of your roster), one player remains. They have had a ton of first round picks this decade (13!). I'm not so sure that they have made the most of them.

They CAN they have just decided not to. In Vilma and Robertson's cases it was all about scheme. W/ Moss and John Abraham they got fed up w/ them always being hurt. We have retained enopugh to be tied for 3rd in AFC playoff appearances this decade.

I am annoyed we had to get rid of guys like Vilma and Robertson b/c we never should have switched schemes, we had excellent 4-3 players and were a year removed from being a top 5 D. They wasted 2 years in the transition BUT it certainly appears that we have the pieces now for a pretty good D again.

PhinzN703
05-05-2008, 11:14 AM
They CAN they have just decided not to. In Vilma and Robertson's cases it was all about scheme. W/ Moss and John Abraham they got fed up w/ them always being hurt. We have retained enopugh to be tied for 3rd in AFC playoff appearances this decade.

I am annoyed we had to get rid of guys like Vilma and Robertson b/c we never should have switched schemes, we had excellent 4-3 players and were a year removed from being a top 5 D. They wasted 2 years in the transition BUT it certainly appears that we have the pieces now for a pretty good D again.

:lol: Always have an answer for everything that comes your way dontcha?

FinfanInBuffalo
05-07-2008, 01:18 PM
We have retained enopugh to be tied for 3rd in AFC playoff appearances this decade.


The Jets have retained enough to be under .500 for the decade.

Look for the bright spots all you want, but the reality is that neither team has accomplished anything in quite a long time. Records this decade:

Jets - 62-66
Fins - 61-67

Bills - 53-75

Here's the painful part:

Pats - 91-37

WISfinfan13
05-07-2008, 01:28 PM
The Jets have retained enough to be under .500 for the decade.

Look for the bright spots all you want, but the reality is that neither team has accomplished anything in quite a long time. Records this decade:

Jets - 62-66
Fins - 61-67

Bills - 53-75

Here's the painful part:

Pats - 91-37

Its funny how the Dolphins are ending the worst decade in franchise history. While Jets fans veiw the past decade with optimism, yet only won one more game than us?!?!?


Ha:lol:

nyjunc
05-07-2008, 02:40 PM
The Jets have retained enough to be under .500 for the decade.

Look for the bright spots all you want, but the reality is that neither team has accomplished anything in quite a long time. Records this decade:

Jets - 62-66
Fins - 61-67

Bills - 53-75

Here's the painful part:

Pats - 91-37

Would you rather be mediocre hovering around .500 but missing the playoffs or have a bunch of playoff seasons w/ a few really bad seasons? We have 4 postseason appearances including a division title, that's double the combined amount of Miami and Buffalo. I don't care about the reg season win-loss records, last year was the only healthy year we were bad. In '03 and '05 we were bad b/c
of a million injuries but the facts are we are 3rd in the AFC in PO appearances this decade so that says something while you guys haven't played a playoff game since before the Pats won their first SB.

nyjunc
05-07-2008, 02:41 PM
Its funny how the Dolphins are ending the worst decade in franchise history. While Jets fans veiw the past decade with optimism, yet only won one more game than us?!?!?


Ha:lol:

and twice as many playoff appearances in the 8 years of this decade. What is it w/ the dolphin fans and reg season win %?

WISfinfan13
05-07-2008, 02:57 PM
and twice as many playoff appearances in the 8 years of this decade. What is it w/ the dolphin fans and reg season win %?


I understand the playoff apperance. But find it ironic when looking at those numbers. Good decade for you, bad decade for us yet only one more regular season victory?? How is that not funny??

nyjunc
05-07-2008, 03:19 PM
I understand the playoff apperance. But find it ironic when looking at those numbers. Good decade for you, bad decade for us yet only one more regular season victory?? How is that not funny??


Reg season wins are meaningless. We have been ALOT better than you guys, those #s are a bit misleading.

FinfanInBuffalo
05-07-2008, 07:06 PM
Would you rather be mediocre hovering around .500 but missing the playoffs or have a bunch of playoff seasons w/ a few really bad seasons? We have 4 postseason appearances including a division title, that's double the combined amount of Miami and Buffalo. I don't care about the reg season win-loss records, last year was the only healthy year we were bad. In '03 and '05 we were bad b/c
of a million injuries but the facts are we are 3rd in the AFC in PO appearances this decade so that says something while you guys haven't played a playoff game since before the Pats won their first SB.

You conveniently fail to mention that the Jets were tied with the Fins when they won their division title. They also split IMO, when two teams finish 9-7 and a tie breaker picks the playoff team, neither was a better team that year. BTW, that is the total difference in playoff appearances this decade between the two teams. ONE tie breaker. If the Fins get the tie breaker, the playoff appearances are equal and they have the division title.

The Fins were equally unlucky in 2003. 10-6 and no playoffs (by a tie breaker). Doesn't make them a worse team than the Jets who made the playoffs three times with 10-6 records.

IMO neither team has been good enough this decade. They are pretty much the same. You want more evidence? There have been 8 seasons this decade. 4 times the Fins finished ahead of the Jets. 4 times the Jets finished ahead of the Fins and one of those was by the tie breaker.

FinfanInBuffalo
05-07-2008, 07:09 PM
Reg season wins are meaningless. We have been ALOT better than you guys, those #s are a bit misleading.

BS. You want to talk meaningless? The Fins lost to different teams than the Jets in 2002. That's why the Jets have more playoff appearances.

FinfanInBuffalo
05-07-2008, 07:12 PM
and twice as many playoff appearances in the 8 years of this decade. What is it w/ the dolphin fans and reg season win %?

What is it with Jets fans and pretending that 9-7 is a lot better than 9-7?

FinfanInBuffalo
05-07-2008, 07:21 PM
I understand the playoff apperance. But find it ironic when looking at those numbers. Good decade for you, bad decade for us yet only one more regular season victory?? How is that not funny??

Don't listen to nyjunk. The Fins were a little better team from 2000 - 2003. The Jets have a little been better since.

nyjunc
05-08-2008, 06:33 AM
You conveniently fail to mention that the Jets were tied with the Fins when they won their division title. They also split IMO, when two teams finish 9-7 and a tie breaker picks the playoff team, neither was a better team that year. BTW, that is the total difference in playoff appearances this decade between the two teams. ONE tie breaker. If the Fins get the tie breaker, the playoff appearances are equal and they have the division title.


But the Phins didn't get the tiebreaker, we went 4-2 against the division and you went 2-4. We went into NE in Week 16 on Sunday Night in front of a Nat'l TV audience and whipped the Pats, a week later you blew a big lead and lost your chance for the div title.

If you want to play the what if game we can, we had multiple seasons ruined w/ injuries and 2002 was nearly one of them but luckily we got healthy enough at midseason to go on a run and do not bring up the Ray Lucas stuff in '02 b/c in '99 he was 6-3 as our starting QB.



The Fins were equally unlucky in 2003. 10-6 and no playoffs (by a tie breaker). Doesn't make them a worse team than the Jets who made the playoffs three times with 10-6 records.


No, they didn't win the games they needed to win then after being eliminated they won 2 meaningless games to give them 10 wins.


IMO neither team has been good enough this decade. They are pretty much the same. You want more evidence? There have been 8 seasons this decade. 4 times the Fins finished ahead of the Jets. 4 times the Jets finished ahead of the Fins and one of those was by the tie breaker.


4 times the Jets have made the playoffs while the Phins have made it twice 2 and since '01 we have made it 4 times compared to once for you.


BS. You want to talk meaningless? The Fins lost to different teams than the Jets in 2002. That's why the Jets have more playoff appearances.

That is how they determine tiebreakers, that is how you won division titles in 1978, 1992 and 1994. Youi got swept by the Bills, you lost in week 17 at NE. We swept the Bills, we beat NE the week before. We earned the division title.


Don't listen to nyjunk. The Fins were a little better team from 2000 - 2003. The Jets have a little been better since.

We were similar 2000-2003. We each had 2 playoff apps w/ 1 div title BUT we went 5-3 against you in those 4 years.

FinfanInBuffalo
05-09-2008, 01:37 PM
do not bring up the Ray Lucas stuff in '02 b/c in '99 he was 6-3 as our starting QB.


His record with the Jets is totally irrelevant to the fact that he is personally responsible for messing up the 2002 season. The Fins were the best team in the AFC until Ray Lucas stepped on the field.

nyjunc
05-09-2008, 02:57 PM
His record with the Jets is totally irrelevant to the fact that he is personally responsible for messing up the 2002 season. The Fins were the best team in the AFC until Ray Lucas stepped on the field.

The Dolphins in that era had a history of starting fast and then fading, you guys despise Fiedler but then you complain if he didn't get hurt you would have been great. I think you would have been a playoff team if he didn't gte hurt, I also think the if the Jets were healthy early on we wouldn't have started 1-4, 2-5 and we would have wound up 11-5 or 12-4 but injuries happen. We were the SB faves in '99 until Vinny and a million guys went down w/ injuries, unfortunately it's part of the game.

FinfanInBuffalo
05-10-2008, 10:20 AM
The Dolphins in that era had a history of starting fast and then fading, you guys despise Fiedler but then you complain if he didn't get hurt you would have been great. I think you would have been a playoff team if he didn't gte hurt, I also think the if the Jets were healthy early on we wouldn't have started 1-4, 2-5 and we would have wound up 11-5 or 12-4 but injuries happen. We were the SB faves in '99 until Vinny and a million guys went down w/ injuries, unfortunately it's part of the game.

For the record, I never despised Fiedler or Wanny (at least as a coach). We should have been in the playoffs in 2002 and 2003. In 2003, we had a 10-6 record and didn't make the playoffs because so many other AFC teams had good records. Essentially the competition was tougher that year and we still went 10-6. In 2004, the falloff happened due to the loss of Ricky and other players and Wanny's inability to bring in new talent. We've been flailing ever since.

The fading late rep from that era is a myth. The problem with those teams (and many others) was winning on the road and the fact for several of the years they weren't quite as good as very best teams. Check this out:

2001: last 6 weeks, lost 2 road games won 4 home games

Week 12 Dec 2 W 21-10 vs Denver Broncos
Week 13 Dec 10 W 41-6 vs Indianapolis Colts
Week 14 Dec 16 L 21-0 at San Francisco 49ers
Week 15 Dec 22 L 20-13 at New England Patriots
Week 16 Dec 30 W 21-14 vs Atlanta Falcons
Week 17 Jan 6 W 34-7 vs Buffalo Bills

2002: last 9 weeks, lost 5 road games won 4 home games.

Week 9 Nov 4 L 24-10 at Green Bay Packers
Week 10 Nov 10 L 13-10 at New York Jets
Week 11 Nov 17 W 26-7 vs Baltimore Ravens
Week 12 Nov 24 W 30-3 vs San Diego Chargers
Week 13 Dec 1 L 38-21 at Buffalo Bills
Week 14 Dec 9 W 27-9 vs Chicago Bears
Week 15 Dec 15 W 23-17 vs Oakland Raiders
Week 16 Dec 21 L 20-17 at Minnesota Vikings
Week 17 Dec 29 L 27-24 at New England Patriots

2003: Last 9 games, Every loss was against a playoff team, but the games at home were much closer.

Week 9 Nov 2 L 23-17 vs Indianapolis Colts
Week 10 Nov 9 L 31-7 at Tennessee Titans
Week 11 Nov 16 W 9-6 vs Baltimore Ravens (OT)
Week 12 Nov 23 W 24-23 vs Washington Redskins
Week 13 Nov 27 W 40-21 at Dallas Cowboys
Week 14 Dec 7 L 12-0 at New England Patriots
Week 15 Dec 15 L 34-27 vs Philadelphia Eagles
Week 16 Dec 21 W 20-3 at Buffalo Bills
Week 17 Dec 28 W 23-21 vs New York Jets

2004: Last 7 games, The only wins late were at home and against a very bad SF team.

Week 11 Nov 21 L 24-17 at Seattle Seahawks
Week 12 Nov 28 W 24-17 at San Francisco 49ers
Week 13 Dec 5 L 42-32 vs Buffalo Bills
Week 14 Dec 12 L 20-17 at Denver Broncos
Week 15 Dec 20 W 29-28 vs New England Patriots
Week 16 Dec 26 W 10-7 vs Cleveland Browns
Week 17 Jan 2 L 30-23 at Baltimore Ravens

It's also interesting to notice that we played on the road at NE in December 3 out of those 4 years. We lost the three road games and won the home game.

nyjunc
05-10-2008, 11:01 AM
The late season fades were not a myth.

1998: started 7-3, finished 3-3
1999: started 7-1, finsihed 2-6
2000: started 8-2, finished 3-3
2001: started 9-2, finished 2-2
2002: started 5-1, finished 4-6
2003: started 5-2, finished 5-4


They faded every year and as the games got bigger your "great D" got smaller. It doesn't matter home or road or against the caliber of team, the facts are they lost big games down the stretch just about every year in that era.

FinfanInBuffalo
05-10-2008, 11:18 AM
It doesn't matter home or road or against the caliber of team, the facts are they lost big games down the stretch just about every year in that era.

And I say it doesn't matter when they played. It was where they played that mattered.

FinfanInBuffalo
05-10-2008, 11:34 AM
The late season fades were not a myth.

1998: started 7-3, finished 3-3
1999: started 7-1, finsihed 2-6
2000: started 8-2, finished 3-3
2001: started 9-2, finished 2-2
2002: started 5-1, finished 4-6
2003: started 5-2, finished 5-4



I "like" how you varied the point at with the season gets divided each year. Why not break them all in the same place?

2000:

first 8 games: 6:2
last 8 games: 5:3

2001:

first 8 games: 6:2
last 8 games: 5:3

2002:

first 8 games: 5:3
last 8 games: 4:4

2003:

first 8 games: 5:3
last 8 games: 5:3

nyjunc
05-11-2008, 07:07 AM
I "like" how you varied the point at with the season gets divided each year. Why not break them all in the same place?

2000:

first 8 games: 6:2
last 8 games: 5:3

2001:

first 8 games: 6:2
last 8 games: 5:3

2002:

first 8 games: 5:3
last 8 games: 4:4

2003:

first 8 games: 5:3
last 8 games: 5:3

The starting point doesn't matter, they started stroing in each of those seasons only to fade. Whteher they had a good 8 games or 10 games or 6 games to start they struggled after those points in the season. As the games got bigger your team played smaller.

FinfanInBuffalo
05-11-2008, 10:19 AM
The starting point doesn't matter, they started stroing in each of those seasons only to fade. Whteher they had a good 8 games or 10 games or 6 games to start they struggled after those points in the season. As the games got bigger your team played smaller.

Your theory doesn't fit the facts. The had nearly identical records for the first and second halves of the seasons in every one of those years. If your theory were true, I'd expect to see splits like 7-1 and 4-4, or 7-1 and 3-5. They just don't exist.

nyjunc
05-12-2008, 06:08 AM
It doesn't have to be split down the middle, are you saying the dolphins have played well down the stretch in most of those late 90s-early '00s years?

dolfanchris
05-12-2008, 01:21 PM
Jets Suck !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FinfanInBuffalo
05-12-2008, 01:52 PM
It doesn't have to be split down the middle, are you saying the dolphins have played well down the stretch in most of those late 90s-early '00s years?

I'm saying that the losses depended more on being on the road and against better teams than on being later in the season. If a team loses a critical week 17 game on the road against a tough opponent, there is really no way to definitively attribute the loss to anything.

nyjunc
05-12-2008, 03:20 PM
1998: Win AT Oak, Lose at home to Jets in Dec.
1999: Lose at home to Indy and the Jets in Dec
2000: Lose at home to Tampa and Indy in Dec., win at NE, at Buf and at Indy.


I'm not sure where you are getting your home/road info from. really only '01 they won all their home Dec/Jan reg season games and lost their road games.

BwanaZulia
05-12-2008, 04:31 PM
Thanks for not making the playoffs for 5 years.

That has put a smile on my face.

BZ

FinfanInBuffalo
05-12-2008, 04:31 PM
1998: Win AT Oak, Lose at home to Jets in Dec.
1999: Lose at home to Indy and the Jets in Dec
2000: Lose at home to Tampa and Indy in Dec., win at NE, at Buf and at Indy.


I'm not sure where you are getting your home/road info from. really only '01 they won all their home Dec/Jan reg season games and lost their road games.

Already covered in detail in an earlier post.

BleedinGreenNC
05-12-2008, 04:48 PM
Jets Suck !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Good enough to sweep the Fins.

BwanaZulia
05-12-2008, 05:07 PM
Good enough to sweep the Fins.

Two years in a row.

It is nice to know, no matter how much we suck, they suck just a little bit more.

BZ

FinfanInBuffalo
05-12-2008, 09:12 PM
Two years in a row.

It is nice to know, no matter how much we suck, they suck just a little bit more.

BZ

Over the last few years, it's hard to argue with that. Sucks, but it's true.

I just want the Pats back in the basement for a little while. Could the rest of us just sweep the Pats this year?

nyjunc
05-13-2008, 08:24 AM
Unfortunately I do not seeing it happen anytime soon although I do think the Pats have taken some hits this offseason but as long as #12 is healthy they'll be really good.

BwanaZulia
05-13-2008, 03:46 PM
Yeah, I would be happy splitting with the Pats at this point.

BZ

FinfanInBuffalo
05-17-2008, 08:53 AM
Yeah, I would be happy splitting with the Pats at this point.

BZ

Please beat them in week 2 so we don't have to endure the undefeated season junk for the whole year. It's going to start in week 1 this year.

I'm so happy they lost the SB.