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Pinkboy
04-26-2008, 05:52 AM
Well I did some research this early draft day morning. Couldn't sleep so I said "what the heck".. lol. And I saw a few people were upset that we gave up a 4th rounder for today's draft. So here-

Take a look at the players chosen (since 1995) with the pick we gave to Dallas for two young productive NFL players (and starters) in Fasano and Ayedole.

Players picked #1 in the 4th Round

2007- RB- Michael Bush (Raiders)- No carries, no yards. Literally nonexistent
2006- TE- Owen Daniels (Texans)- Decent year catching the ball. Horrible run blocker
2005- FS- Sean Considine ( Eagles) - played only 8 games last year. Not a good player
2004- LB- Reggie Torbor (Giants)- We just got him in free agency, lifetime backup
2003 - CB- Dennis Weathersby (Bengals)- Out of football
2002- RB- Jonathan Wells (Texans)- Out of football
2001- OT- Kenyatta Jones (Patriots)- Out of football
2000- CB- Lewis Sanders (Browns)- Career backup. Has never started more than 7 games in a season of his 8 NFL seasons. Has started more than 5 games only twice and he is entering his 9th season.
1999- CB- Paul Miranda (Colts)- Out of football
1998- C - Steve McKinney (Colts)- solid starter at Center his first 8 seasons. Has been a backup the last 2 seasons.
1997- G- Damon Denson (Patriots)- Only played 13 games in NFL career. Lasted 3 years in the league and hasn't played since 1999.
1996- OT- Jason Odom (Bucs)- Started at Tackle for 2 years before leaving football in 1999 at the age of 25.
1995- QB- Rob Johnson (Jaguars)- It's Rob Johnson, enough said.

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No hall of famers there who were picked #1 in the 4th round. A couple serviceable players, but no player worth a ILB who got over 100 tackles in 6 of the last 7 years- and a Tight End who is an excellent blocker, with good hands, and plays smashmouth football who is very young with tons of upside just a week removed from 23 years of age-. And a tight end picked in the 2nd round himself just 2 years ago.

Owen Daniels did have a nice yr catching the ball last season as a 2nd year player, but he is a horrid run blocker and he is one dimensional. Plus he is more than a year older than Fasano and he didn't play behind an all-pro top 3 tight end in the league like Fasano had to do..

So you naysayers please stop your bitching and moaning over this trade yesterday giving up a 4th for two starters to our team. The dolphins did pretty well with this trade when considering precedences.

finfan54
04-26-2008, 08:26 AM
And thats while having an overnight decision to make. Nice work. Love the deal. We are not done. JT will most likely be traded.

FINOMINAL
04-26-2008, 08:35 AM
Makes Jason Taylor worth a lot more than anything that includes a forth.

Vaark
04-26-2008, 08:49 AM
It was an inspired trade.. Fasano ALONE is worth the 4th as both a player and giving us more flexibility in drafting a BPA.

Pinkboy
04-26-2008, 12:43 PM
I agree. The fact that it allows us to draft bpa is overlooked by alot of people.

Bradical
04-26-2008, 01:11 PM
Nice research. I agree that Fasano alone was worth the 4th, plus Ayodele should be a starter for us as well. So you can't really beat two starters for one mid round pick, when in the draft you're hoping for one.

That being said, it's not really fair to characterize what you will get at that point in the draft based on others drafted at the same position.

WitheringPlant
04-26-2008, 01:24 PM
A bit misleading. Bush was hurt all year. He could still turn into a damn fine running back.

Nappy Roots
04-26-2008, 01:41 PM
guess it shows having the #1 pick your a bad drafter cuz..

07
Tanard Jackson
06
Ko Simpson
Brandon Marshall
Leon Washington
Elvis Dumervil
05
Marion Barber
Brandon Jacobs
Elton Brown
Jerome Carter
Kerry Rhodes
Darren Sproles
Chris Canty
04
Shaun Phillips
Demorrio Williams
Sammy Parker
Jerricho Cotchery
Nathan Vasher
Nat Dorsey
Robert Geathers
Ernest Wilford
Glenn Earl
Stacy Andrews
Jason David
Jared Allen
03
Domanick Williams
Bradie James
Onterrio Smith
Shaun McDonald
Terrence McGee
Asante Samuel
Justin Griffith
02
Kevin Bently
Alex Brown
Brian Williams
David Garrard
Ben Taylor
Randy McMichael
Kevin Curtis
Larry Foote
Najeh Davenport



and thats all im going to go back. thats just 4th round players. so this thread is pretty false.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
04-26-2008, 01:51 PM
Owen Daniels is a very good player, i wouldn't sell him short just to make a point.

acmeanvil49
04-26-2008, 01:58 PM
Well I did some research this early draft day morning.

Players picked #1 in the 4th Round

2007- RB- Michael Bush (Raiders)- No carries, no yards. Literally nonexistent


Terrible research on the Michael Bush pick.

He was put on IR last year with the Raiders and THAT'S why he had no carries & no yards.

Michael Bush will prove to be the steal of the 2007 draft, bet on it !!!

I watched him play 4-years of HS and 3 years of college and he is the real deal.

He played WR, RB, QB and KR in HS, he even played defense, he can play virtually any skill position you put him at and he would have been a top 10 pick if not for a broken leg his SR year at Louisville.

Bush was the TOP vote getter at 5 different positions for all state in Kentucky and named Mr. Kentucky in football his SR year in HS.

He was still recovering although he says he was 100 % by the 3rd game of the 2007 NFL season the Raiders had a load of RB's and due to the numbers game if they activated Bush would have had to inactivate or release another RB.

Michael Bush takes over the Liberty Bowl in 2004
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-1vkSVf9y4

Michael Bush Injury
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fKgUP14Jnw&feature=related

Michael Bush Amazing One Yard Run

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgoFCkqK2iE&feature=related

ohenryoh
04-26-2008, 02:06 PM
I think it is solid trade. Not sure if the TE will pay off, hope so. But the LB will play and add debth to a weak LB squad. This is a weak LB draft so for a 4th round pick which is hit or miss, we now have hit with our number 4 pick.

Danny
04-26-2008, 02:36 PM
we got 2 starters with a 4 round pick....that's not bad guys.

Ozzy rules!!

dagger151
04-26-2008, 05:28 PM
Does that make the possibility of drafting a day 1 QB a reality? Maybe a wideout like Sweed or Kelley with 32? I still think we trade the pick for more picks later.

JT is staying here becasue we cant get more than a 3rd rounder. IMO it isnt worth trading your star payer no matter how old he is for a 3rd rounder.