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NamathDrunkLove
04-26-2008, 07:20 PM
Wow. Just wow. Where is he suppose to play? I mean really. He isn't big enough to play DE in a 3-4 and he isn't quick or fast enough to play OLB in a 3-4. Seriously wow. With everyone else that was on the board: Hardy, Brohm, Sweed, Henne, Groves, ect.

Gardenhead
04-26-2008, 07:28 PM
This is Parcells' vote of no confidence in Roth.

Roth sucks. Believe it. Don't be dazzled by his cool tattoos!

Stoobz
04-26-2008, 07:34 PM
Merling > Roth, imo. Roth has alligator arms, not good for a DE.

Kyfinsfan
04-26-2008, 07:36 PM
yeah but is Merling>Brohm?...I'm not so sure.

PressCoverage
04-26-2008, 07:36 PM
Yeah, really REALLY bad comparison. Different builds.

Merling is already 273... and will add 10-15 pounds as a professional. He has long arms and much better lower body strength.

Stop, please.

BobGriese12
04-26-2008, 07:37 PM
Wow. Just wow. Where is he suppose to play? I mean really. He isn't big enough to play DE in a 3-4 and he isn't quick or fast enough to play OLB in a 3-4. Seriously wow. With everyone else that was on the board: Hardy, Brohm, Sweed, Henne, Groves, ect.


Why did Parcells hire Ireland? When he could have you running the Dolphins draft?

NamathDrunkLove
04-26-2008, 07:38 PM
My whole point is he doesn't fit our system.

PressCoverage
04-26-2008, 07:40 PM
My whole point is he doesn't fit our system.

He most certainly does.

NamathDrunkLove
04-26-2008, 07:40 PM
Why did Parcells hire Ireland? When he could have you running the Dolphins draft?

It's funny that you mention that because us so called "fans" can sometimes make better decisions than these so called expert GMs

Jdub561
04-26-2008, 07:40 PM
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NamathDrunkLove
04-26-2008, 07:41 PM
He most certainly does.


Where do we put him then if we're running the 3-4?

NamathDrunkLove
04-26-2008, 07:42 PM
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Why? Because I'm not a homer and I don't agree with everything this organization does?

jetsh8r
04-26-2008, 07:42 PM
Can Roth play OLB?

COMEBACKRICKY
04-26-2008, 07:43 PM
yeah but is Merling>Brohm?...I'm not so sure.

Im not sure either, and I thought q. groves was the better prospect?

NamathDrunkLove
04-26-2008, 07:44 PM
Can Roth play OLB?


Can Merling? There haven't been any experts that have said that he can even play that position.

firemanx
04-26-2008, 07:44 PM
Melring adds some weight he can play DE in a 3-4. He is very good against the run, and has what you need a 3-4 DE.

NamathDrunkLove
04-26-2008, 07:45 PM
Im not sure either, and I thought q. groves was the better prospect?


I would've much rather preferred Groves over Merling. Simply because of the system.

NamathDrunkLove
04-26-2008, 07:49 PM
Melring adds some weight he can play DE in a 3-4. He is very good against the run, and has what you need a 3-4 DE.

Yes, but how long until he can put on that extra weight? We're talking about a late first round pick here. I want somebody who can come in and have an immediate impact especially with that high of a pick. Roth was also considered a first round pick. Look how he turned out. I think that Merling has better potential than Roth but, I still don't think he works for our system. If he does how long are we going to have to wait for him to put on that extra weight? A year? Two years?

jlfin
04-26-2008, 08:10 PM
yeah but is Merling>Brohm?...I'm not so sure.

Yes. He had a higher grade and we don't need a starting QB

FinsAreLife
04-26-2008, 08:13 PM
idk, i think it will be nice to see both this kid and roth play on the other side of JT

canesfins13
04-26-2008, 08:17 PM
The guy is 275lbs, he is big enough to play on the end.

JamesBW43
04-26-2008, 08:21 PM
Where do we put him then if we're running the 3-4?

Defensive End... he's a perfect fit for the 3-4 system, that's exactly the reason they took him. And he was great value at that pick as well.

jlfin
04-26-2008, 08:22 PM
The guy is 275lbs, he is big enough to play on the end.

Phins website has him listed at 6'5" 282. He's the perfect size for a 3-4 DE. He can probably get up to 290lbs.
He reminds me of Michael Strahan because he is a complete DE (good against the run and the pass).

daninoz
04-26-2008, 08:22 PM
We're talking about a late first round pick here. I want somebody who can come in and have an immediate impact especially with that high of a pick.

Why? I want someone who can play the first year, but the Dolphins aren't challenging the playoffs anytime soon. They have the ability to wait for a guy to put on a little weight and to share time with Holliday in the meantime.

Miller_HokieFin
04-26-2008, 08:31 PM
what is your ideal 3-4 de..this kid fits any system, he's huge and quick

Breed
04-26-2008, 08:47 PM
The guy is 275lbs, he is big enough to play on the end.

He's only 20+ pounds too light to play that position in the 3-4 defense....

Nappy Roots
04-26-2008, 08:50 PM
they said he was 275 right and only because his injury he couldnt work out or anything so GAINED weight. said he will be losing weight.

i dont see him fitting for us.

personally i dont like this draft, top to bottom.

whatever

RocDolphan17
04-26-2008, 08:55 PM
He's only 20+ pounds too light to play that position in the 3-4 defense....

6'5" 280 is the same height and 25 pounds heavier than JT, so are you telling me JT cant play DE in a 3-4 now????? Enough of the "hes too small to play DE in a 3-4

Nappy Roots
04-26-2008, 08:59 PM
6'5" 280 is the same height and 25 pounds heavier than JT, so are you telling me JT cant play DE in a 3-4 now????? Enough of the "hes too small to play DE in a 3-4



uh, no he cant. JT will be a OLB if hes still here.

SammySmif
04-26-2008, 09:00 PM
6'5" 280 is the same height and 25 pounds heavier than JT, so are you telling me JT cant play DE in a 3-4 now????? Enough of the "hes too small to play DE in a 3-4

JT plays OLB in the 3-4 dude. Merling will most likely play opposite him and stop the run.

the way to look at the 3-4 is it's basically 3 DTs, 2 DEs and 2 LBs.

PerfectTeam
04-26-2008, 09:10 PM
Merling will play the 5 technique in this defense. He weighed in at about 290 at his pro day i believe and will probably look to shed about 10 pounds of fat im assuming. He is the right end for this system. Strong and able to control the gaps. when we switch to a 4-3 front, he is quick enough to rush the passer. preferred height for the position. great motor. dont know why you guys are complaining. this guy if not injured, would of gone in the first round.

Nappy Roots
04-26-2008, 09:17 PM
Merling will play the 5 technique in this defense. He weighed in at about 290 at his pro day i believe and will probably look to shed about 10 pounds of fat im assuming. He is the right end for this system. Strong and able to control the gaps. when we switch to a 4-3 front, he is quick enough to rush the passer. preferred height for the position. great motor. dont know why you guys are complaining. this guy if not injured, would of gone in the first round.


after doing some searching your right. ESPN must of gotten it wrong, cuz they said he was at 275 and would be losing weight. thats a 15 pound discrepancy

Lazy1
04-26-2008, 09:25 PM
Yes, but how long until he can put on that extra weight? We're talking about a late first round pick here. I want somebody who can come in and have an immediate impact especially with that high of a pick. Roth was also considered a first round pick. Look how he turned out. I think that Merling has better potential than Roth but, I still don't think he works for our system. If he does how long are we going to have to wait for him to put on that extra weight? A year? Two years?

Our coaches have never came out and openly said exactly what system we'll run. Everyone is assuming its a 3-4 and rightfully so, but how can you tell us this guy doesnt fit in our system when A. You dont know what kind of system we'll be running and B. the people that create the system picked the guy FOR THERE SYSTEM.

nfil53
04-26-2008, 09:25 PM
why is everyone forgetting that the dolphins also use a 4-3. The 3-4 is the base defense and merling will be successful as a 3-4 OLB and a 4-3 DE. Bottom line is Parcells is sticking to his guns. He could have picked Groves but he's way smaller and not his type of player. The way parcells wins is by getting his guys so let him.

TotoreMexico
04-26-2008, 09:27 PM
My whole point is he doesn't fit our system.

He's a DE in the 3-4

Why he doesn't fit our system?

Dolfan1000
04-26-2008, 09:40 PM
Some of you are just downright silly. And I say silly in a goofy way to avoid a ban; the true word I would use would be a lot worse.

He IS a 3-4 DE. Do some research please. Read some scouting reports. He is compared to Luis Castillo. He has the ideal skillset for the position. I mean really. Get a clue. Complain, but complain LOGICALLY.

Breed
04-26-2008, 09:46 PM
Some of you are just downright silly. And I say silly in a goofy way to avoid a ban; the true word I would use would be a lot worse.

He IS a 3-4 DE. Do some research please. Read some scouting reports. He is compared to Luis Castillo. He has the ideal skillset for the position. I mean really. Get a clue. Complain, but complain LOGICALLY.

When Luis Castillo was drafted, he weighed 290 pounds. Merling weighs 275 pounds at this point. Even if they have a similar skill set, there's a 15 pound difference. Either way you slice it, 275 pounds is too light for a 3-4 DE, unless he plans on putting on another 15-20 pounds, which is easier said than done.

FinFreak819
04-26-2008, 09:58 PM
I love how you idiots critize when you haven't played a down of football in your life... If I recall Zach Thomas is way under the standard build for a LB but does an amazing job none the less as does Tedy Bruschi. Matt Roth is solid hes no Jason Taylor but he is solid and with a nice Parcells fire under his *** him sure he will probably do better. As for Merling he is unproven and we will have to see how well he fairs this season

fishypete
04-26-2008, 10:04 PM
I love how you idiots critize when you haven't played a down of football in your life... If I recall Zach Thomas is way under the standard build for a LB but does an amazing job none the less as does Tedy Bruschi. Matt Roth is solid hes no Jason Taylor but he is solid and with a nice Parcells fire under his *** him sure he will probably do better. As for Merling he is unproven and we will have to see how well he fairs this season

There are no idiots here...get it!

MrEd
04-26-2008, 10:12 PM
Wow. Just wow. Where is he suppose to play? I mean really. He isn't big enough to play DE in a 3-4 and he isn't quick or fast enough to play OLB in a 3-4. Seriously wow. With everyone else that was on the board: Hardy, Brohm, Sweed, Henne, Groves, ect.

wow??? how the heck is a 6-5 280lber not a 3-4 DE? that is exactly what he is. Merling was a top 20 prospect who slid a little because of a sports hernia.

the guy will start opposite of vonnie holiday and alongside of jay ferguson. matt roth will be the backup pass rush specialist with rod wright backing up holiday as a run stopping specialist.

the move was a no brainer.

now, the trade of the 4th round pick for the DAL LB, Odoyele is an indicator that Torbor will be moving over to OLB(where he played for the SB champs) and JT is indeed on the outs....

looks like a front 7 lineup of:

DE: Holiday/R Wright
NT: Ferguson/Starks/Soliai
DE: Merling/Roth

OLB: Torbor/A Wright
ILB: Crowder/Smith
ILB: Odoyele/Anderson
OLB: Porter/Moses

I see JT being traded now...

sadetripod
04-26-2008, 10:20 PM
I think we had a great day. Now on day 2 we can get secondary and wr's. This might be the best draft we've had in years BUT WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THE ROOKIES HAVEN'T PLAYED YET. Give them a chance. Go Phins!!!