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Miamian
04-28-2008, 09:01 AM
Those are some pretty serious need positions. We don't have neither Booker nor Chambers <--:boohoo: anymore. I hope that there's going to be some trading going on. It's unlikely that we'll convince either of the Marks brothers or Don McNeil to come out of retirement.

FinFanatic80
04-28-2008, 11:21 AM
Were building this team for the future starting in the trenches.

And dont forget, we might be able to get a couple guys after the June 1 cuts for cheap.

hemidemon
04-28-2008, 11:29 AM
These DEs we drafted will be occupying blockers so our linebackers can rush the passer. A strong pass rush is the best thing we can do for our secondary. I don't know why people are crying about no WRs? This was a weak class for wideouts.

uga3406
04-28-2008, 11:30 AM
im confused by this too oh well...another yr with hagans as the # 3 guy

arsenal
04-28-2008, 12:04 PM
i think we might have jumped on our choice of WR if Merling wasn't there at 32... he was a first round talent that dropped to us...

finresurrection
04-28-2008, 12:11 PM
agreed. why waste a pick on a WR when this class was so poor at that position. to draft a WR just for the sake of drafting one is needless. better to use the pick on a guy that can actually contribute.

Danny
04-28-2008, 12:49 PM
Jeff said that he'd like to get a number 1 WR but as you could see,none of the teams felt there was a real number 1 WR on this draft as none were taken in round 1....we got 3 WR's in free agency and we have Wilford and Ginn starting as of now...Hagan is in his last chance now...he's got the talent so we'll see...as far as corner....you can't get everything in 1 year...the front 7 is more important and we started there.

Ozzy rules!!

emeraldfin
04-28-2008, 02:40 PM
Jeff said that he'd like to get a number 1 WR but as you could see,none of the teams felt there was a real number 1 WR on this draft as none were taken in round 1....we got 3 WR's in free agency and we have Wilford and Ginn starting as of now...Hagan is in his last chance now...he's got the talent so we'll see...as far as corner....you can't get everything in 1 year...the front 7 is more important and we started there.

Ozzy rules!!

We drafted on fundementals, not on team needs.

True you cant get everything in one year, but the later you leave it to address a certain position, the longer it will take to develop it. In three years time we will still be talking about our weak secondary.

South Florida
04-28-2008, 02:58 PM
We got a wide receiver.

His name is Jayson Foster:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOfVreEXJM4

GRYPHONK
04-28-2008, 03:10 PM
At first I agreed. I badly wanted a CB or even a WR.

But after analyzing and looking at this draft I believe Parcells and Ireland did this absolutely correctly.

In 1 offseason those 2 have fixed our O-line and our Special Teams. And arguably solidified 4 or 5 spots of our future front 7.

That is a nice building block.

It is really difficult to evalute Ginn/ Beck or Henne and even Ronnie for that matter if they have a horrible O-line. Now we can truly evaluate and find out how good or bad our WR core may be.

vice versa

By solidifying or stop gapping our front 7 we can now effective gauge Jason Allen and the rest of our secondary. Remember our defense got sacks but the majority of it was due to Coverage sacks then anything else. Our secondary was not as bad as our front 7 last year.

Having a Champ Bailey means nothing if there is no D-line. Having a Johnson means nothing if you don't have a line.

Now that we have solidified our Lines we can now work on CB'S and WR'S. We truly aren't that far off from being competitive maybe a couple players. I expect us to have a very succesful season this year.

Many are just panicing because guys like Lehan and Torbor and Langford aren't household names. Surprisingly even though Lehan was one of our better DB'S last year

Marley7
04-28-2008, 03:16 PM
We got a wide receiver.

His name is Jayson Foster:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOfVreEXJM4
No, I think he would be better suited at CB instead...

Boomer
04-28-2008, 03:43 PM
I think it was pretty obvious what Jeff Ireland's plan was. He knew that Miami were poor and poor in all three facets of the game. With the salary cap the way it is, you can't restock offense, defense and special teams in one go. So they clearly had an aim in free agency and that was to turn the ST group into the best unit in football. They raped and pillaged some of the finest ST players available; Keith Davis, Nathan Jones, Charlie Anderson, Reggie Torbor, Tab Perry ( an exceptional gunner), Chris Crocker, Boomer Grigsby (top wedgebuster). They already had a very good ST guy in Ed Miles and of course one of the premier return men in football in Teddy Ginn.

They clearly looked at the draft and thought, 'you can either secure the lines so as to make us harder to run on, makes us quicker to the passer and better running and blocking for Beck on offense', or we can mix it up; do it half and half, a little on the lines, a little on the skill position players. They did it the first way which is the best way. Miami isn't getting run over like it did against Oakland. Randy Starks, Jason Ferguson, Vonnie Holliday, Rod Wright, Phil Merling, Kendall Langford, Paul Soliai, etc. Not happening. On offense, Jake Long, Murphy or Mormino or Thomas, Satele, Smiley, Carey....that's 4/5ths of potentially the best OL in football. Certainly from Satele through to Carey it's excellent and Long is no idiot.

What they did with the rest of FA is fill depth. Wilford is a good pick up. Sean Ryan isn't Antonio Gates, but he can block a truck. Torbor is a good player, Crocker is a good player. Fasano and Ayodele were great pick ups. 2 starters for a back up running back. Protect your assets; Ronnie Brown had a great weekend and he didn't do a damn thing. We added a banger in Jalen Parmele who reminds me when I watch him over a smaller Brandon Jacobs. And I think we added a WR in Davone Bess who will make the roster. I will be really surprised if he doesn't.

What it means is that next year, we can add some spice with a Derrius Heywood-Bey or a Brandon Pettigrew or a Travis Beckum or a Greg Carr. And if you want to go DB, then Malcolm Jenkins or William Moore are there, or you want a big banger at MLB, well there's plenty of them.

It's going to take a while, but these are good, good times for Miami. Kudos to Jeff Ireland.

Gardenhead
04-28-2008, 03:57 PM
BOOM! Thanks for your input. Good to see you around these parts.

That was a good overview of the draft. What's your thoughts on the players, individually and where they were selected?

Boomer
04-28-2008, 04:01 PM
Good players picked in the right places.

Gardenhead
04-28-2008, 04:04 PM
Good players picked in the right places.

Excellent analysis as always!

You got a hunch as to who's win the RG battle?

Ryleigh97
04-28-2008, 04:13 PM
There's always quality veteran players that come available after the June 1 cuts. Usually not long term solutions, but good players that will get the team through the season and maybe beyond.

No sense in wasting picks on a WR or CB that won't upgrade the team or possibly even make the team.

Dolfan1000
04-28-2008, 04:17 PM
Boom, any chance we get a more detail analysis? Love to know what you have to say. Ditto CK.

camanda
05-02-2008, 05:14 AM
Boomer, what's your take on Jayson Foster? I'd never heard of him but once he signed and the highlight reel links began to pop up on YouTube I started to get interested.

Lee2000
05-02-2008, 08:20 AM
It will be interesting to see how the Dolphins field a defensive unit this weekend at rookie camp. So far only three known cbs will be there and no safeties. Whoever plays safety against the likes of Henne and Copeland,the kid from Vald. St. will be tryout dudes or out of position players. Might be hard to access under those arrangements. Will hurt Copeland more than Henne.

Lee2000

Kdawg954
05-02-2008, 08:44 AM
It got to a point in this draft where once Merling and Henne fell . . . we got such great value there that we literally took ourselves out of the running for a impact WR. Now with Godfrey on the board in round 3 . . . I had money that he was the pick . . . big physical CB . . . but these CB's are hit and miss . . . Langford SHOULD be a stud . . . so if the FO feels comforbale with our DB's . . . I'm not gonna knock them.

emeraldfin
05-02-2008, 09:01 AM
It got to a point in this draft where once Merling and Henne fell . . . we got such great value there that we literally took ourselves out of the running for a impact WR. Now with Godfrey on the board in round 3 . . . I had money that he was the pick . . . big physical CB . . . but these CB's are hit and miss . . . Langford SHOULD be a stud . . . so if the FO feels comforbale with our DB's . . . I'm not gonna knock them.

I just cant understand it if the FO are happy with the secondary. The strange thing is there has been no attempt made to try an upgrade the CB's. So maybe they are happy with what they have got, but if we go into the season with the CB's we have now, we will finish the season in the bottom 5 in passing Yards allowed PG .

Lee2000
05-02-2008, 09:22 AM
I just cant understand it if the FO are happy with the secondary. The strange thing is there has been no attempt made to try an upgrade the CB's. So maybe they are happy with what they have got, but if we go into the season with the CB's we have now, we will finish the season in the bottom 5 in passing Yards allowed PG .

I think their philosophy is to increase the pass rush and pressure up front which will help the guys in the secondary. Allen, the cb, had a pretty decent year last year and got pro bowl consideration. Goodman was hurt all year, and you saw that the team liked Lehan. The wildcards in all this might be if Daniels can recover, and if Nate Jones can make any contribution on defense in addition to special teams. I don't see any rookies there to make contribution, however, as was pointed out earlier on this board, the Dolphins get first dibs on any player put on waivers.

Lee2000

dlockz
05-02-2008, 09:22 AM
It got to a point in this draft where once Merling and Henne fell . . . we got such great value there that we literally took ourselves out of the running for a impact WR. Now with Godfrey on the board in round 3 . . . I had money that he was the pick . . . big physical CB . . . but these CB's are hit and miss . . . Langford SHOULD be a stud . . . so if the FO feels comforbale with our DB's . . . I'm not gonna knock them.

I still prefer Godfrey you can find a Langford all through the draft.

Lee2000
05-02-2008, 09:24 AM
I still prefer Godfrey you can find a Langford all through the draft.

Disagree. You don't find 6-5 290 des that can run 4.9. I saw where the team that drafted Godfrey is considering him at safety.

Lee2000

emeraldfin
05-02-2008, 09:41 AM
I think their philosophy is to increase the pass rush and pressure up front which will help the guys in the secondary. Allen, the cb, had a pretty decent year last year and got pro bowl consideration. Goodman was hurt all year, and you saw that the team liked Lehan. The wildcards in all this might be if Daniels can recover, and if Nate Jones can make any contribution on defense in addition to special teams. I don't see any rookies there to make contribution, however, as was pointed out earlier on this board, the Dolphins get first dibs on any player put on waivers.

Lee2000

Will our pass rush be any better than last year though Lee? When looking at Merling and Langford, we drafted players, who are considered good against the run. Now we still have the same pass-rushers as last year in Taylor and Porter, we were 24th in the league with 30 sacks. Now I understand that its more about pressure than actually getting to the QB, but your sacj rate is usually a good reflection of how good your pass rush is.

So with the same rushers as last year and two rookie ends, Im not too confident our rush will be any better IMO.

Lee2000
05-02-2008, 10:41 AM
Will our pass rush be any better than last year though Lee? When looking at Merling and Langford, we drafted players, who are considered good against the run. Now we still have the same pass-rushers as last year in Taylor and Porter, we were 24th in the league with 30 sacks. Now I understand that its more about pressure than actually getting to the QB, but your sacj rate is usually a good reflection of how good your pass rush is.

So with the same rushers as last year and two rookie ends, Im not too confident our rush will be any better IMO.

Additionally, I think they drafted these guys to stop the run along with the free agent signing of Starks and Fugerson. Teams ran on the Dolphin defense so well last year it kept them off balance. Stoping the run early and setting up obvious passing situation should benefit the rush and the secondary.

Lee2000

nick1
05-02-2008, 11:04 AM
Jayson Foster is just a returnman, don't think he can be a good WR. Bess can be a decent WR for us, undrafted guys have success all of the time

don't sleep on Lymon either a guy who is 6'5" and can run sub 4.4 is a good talent