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MattM
05-15-2008, 09:25 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/16/sports/football/16walsh.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

"After filming opponents’ signals, Walsh would edit the tape or deliver the original to Adams. Walsh said a quarterback — he declined to say whom — would learn the signals, and the next time the Patriots played that team, the quarterback would relay that information to Weis, who would use the coach-to-quarterback communication system to send the information to the field. That process, Walsh said, took seconds......

....The Patriots then opened the regular season against the Buccaneers. Walsh said this was the first time he had seen quarterback Drew Bledsoe operate a no-huddle offense when not in a two-minute or hurry-up situation.

In the week after the game, Walsh said he asked a quarterback — again, he declined to name whom — how helpful the signals were. Walsh said the quarterback told him “probably about 75 percent of the time, Tampa Bay ran the defense we thought they were going to run — if not more.”

(Bledsoe was the Patriots’ starting quarterback in 2000. The other quarterbacks on the roster were Tom Brady, Michael Bishop and John Friesz.)


Anyone else wonder if it's possibly the Golden Boy himself? Boy, would that ignite the Spygate flames once again......

TomBradyWoot
05-15-2008, 09:35 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/16/sports/football/16walsh.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

"After filming opponents’ signals, Walsh would edit the tape or deliver the original to Adams. Walsh said a quarterback — he declined to say whom — would learn the signals, and the next time the Patriots played that team, the quarterback would relay that information to Weis, who would use the coach-to-quarterback communication system to send the information to the field. That process, Walsh said, took seconds......

....The Patriots then opened the regular season against the Buccaneers. Walsh said this was the first time he had seen quarterback Drew Bledsoe operate a no-huddle offense when not in a two-minute or hurry-up situation.

In the week after the game, Walsh said he asked a quarterback — again, he declined to name whom — how helpful the signals were. Walsh said the quarterback told him “probably about 75 percent of the time, Tampa Bay ran the defense we thought they were going to run — if not more.”

(Bledsoe was the Patriots’ starting quarterback in 2000. The other quarterbacks on the roster were Tom Brady, Michael Bishop and John Friesz.)


Anyone else wonder if it's possibly the Golden Boy himself? Boy, would that ignite the Spygate flames once again......


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MattM
05-16-2008, 06:42 AM
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So I take that to mean you've got nothing of substance to add on this NYT's article and the possibility it seems to open of your players also having been involved in this?

satz
05-16-2008, 10:04 AM
actually the QB depth chart went
bledsoe,
Michael Bishop
John Friesz
Tom Brady

during a game only 2 headsets are given for the starter and backup QB. The 3rd QB is dressed and can only get a headset when he replaces the 1st or 2nd QB due to an emergency .The 4th QB never dresses or has headset on .He is just sitting with the other inactives in the sidelines.[you seem them in sweat pants and shirts in most games].This expection is only for the QB position so you got 45 actives and 1 Qb .the rest 7 players are total inactives. And brady as the 4th QB was their till they cut the other 2.

btw , the game buccaneers game the patriots got their lunch money taken and took a beating.But this does explain why lost as with all the game tape and coaches tape a team is suppose to know 100% of all the defensive scheme and personal grouping a opposing team runs.If they go into a game not knowing who the heck is playing what and what the formation is i am sure a beat down is asked for.

I mean if a team does not knwo if a guy in a DB,LB in nickel or with 2 covers guys deep is in cover 2 or when 4 guys are deep in cover 4 they are asking to be handed a beat down.

Itsdahumidity
05-16-2008, 10:12 AM
Anyone else wonder if it's possibly the Golden Boy himself? Boy, would that ignite the Spygate flames once again......

Oh yeah, everyone is thinking it. But you know what, he needs to prove himself this season and beyond now that teams don't have to use defensive signals. While it's different because of the Moss factor compared to their tainted SB* teams, it will be real interesting to see. All teams have to do is totally commit to taking Moss out the game and smack wes as soon as he catches the rock. No more signals means the onus will be on the former 6th rd backup.

satz
05-16-2008, 10:26 AM
Oh yeah, everyone is thinking it. But you know what, he needs to prove himself this season and beyond now that teams don't have to use defensive signals. While it's different because of the Moss factor compared to their tainted SB* teams, it will be real interesting to see. All teams have to do is totally commit to taking Moss out the game and smack wes as soon as he catches the rock. No more signals means the onus will be on the former 6th rd backup.

Explain how this year he had his best year when every camera and everything was watched very closly.Please explain this i want to hear the explanation for this year.

Now you are going to claim all the defensive people used the same signals again knowing what happened , or unlike most teams did not cover them up as we saw them do every week on the sideline to make fun of this taping thing. some teams entirely new coaching staff and players so please explain.i waiting. do not say moss as
brady 52 TDs - 50 passing 2 running TD
team TDs - 75
Moss -23 TD

Itsdahumidity
05-16-2008, 11:41 AM
Explain how this year he had his best year when every camera and everything was watched very closly.Please explain this i want to hear the explanation for this year.

Now you are going to claim all the defensive people used the same signals again knowing what happened , or unlike most teams did not cover them up as we saw them do every week on the sideline to make fun of this taping thing. some teams entirely new coaching staff and players so please explain.i waiting. do not say moss as
brady 52 TDs - 50 passing 2 running TD
team TDs - 75
Moss -23 TD



I knew your panties would get bunched.
"...every camera and everything was watched." Really? By whom? goodell's people? Knowing what we know about his tactics he nor his league will ever get the benefit of the doubt from rational fans.

Didn't we see your team's offense in no-huddle mode a lot? Not hurry-up but no-huddle you know, with your golden boy taking his time with that blank look on his face waiting for "instructions." Waiting for the OC to tell him where the defenders won't be like Weis did.

TomBradyWoot
05-16-2008, 12:43 PM
I knew your panties would get bunched.
"...every camera and everything was watched." Really? By whom? goodell's people? Knowing what we know about his tactics he nor his league will ever get the benefit of the doubt from rational fans.

Didn't we see your team's offense in no-huddle mode a lot? Not hurry-up but no-huddle you know, with your golden boy taking his time with that blank look on his face waiting for "instructions." Waiting for the OC to tell him where the defenders won't be like Weis did.


This has to be in the top ten of worst posts ever. The Patriots were caught at HALFTIME of week one. There was no more taping defensive signals the rest of the way. You can think Tom Brady sucks all you want, but you'd probably cut your sack off to have him over John Beck.:applaudit:

TomBradyWoot
05-16-2008, 12:51 PM
It was very likely John Freisz who was the QB in on it. Bishop is too stupid and Brady hadn't even started his NFL career. Belichick loved him but, that's a little far fetched IMO.

The Pats were caught at halftime of week one, against a team who knew what they were doing and thus were sending in calls with three coaches (two dummies). It was well-documented what the Chargers did in week 2 because of it and I doubt highly they were the only ones.

How about we bring up what else Walsh said in that same article. That he was pretty sure another team was doing the same thing to the Pats.

Itsdahumidity
05-16-2008, 01:07 PM
This has to be in the top ten of worst posts ever. The Patriots were caught at HALFTIME of week one. There was no more taping defensive signals the rest of the way. You can think Tom Brady sucks all you want, but you'd probably cut your sack off to have him over John Beck.:applaudit:

why am I not surprised that a pats* fan has brady & sack (be it his, brady's or mine) on his mind?

There were no more taping because goodell told us so? Talk about top ten worst post, your posting tells me your parents really are related.

MattM
05-16-2008, 11:05 PM
Depth chart I saw for the 2000 season had Brady as the 3rd QB, meaning it was pretty bloody likely that it was him after all, since they wouldn't use the number 2 guy for this job most likely:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/patriots/depthChart.html

Can't wait to see this blow up once the mainstream media figures this out.

Any of you Pats fans catch HBO's Real Sports tonight--if not, you ought to make sure you TIVO it. Seems that a "former Pats offensive star" has talked to HBO and backed up Walsh's claims as to how all this worked and how effective it was. I dare say the "She-at"'s about to hit your fan, boys. Enjoy....

TomBradyWoot
05-16-2008, 11:53 PM
Depth chart I saw for the 2000 season had Brady as the 3rd QB, meaning it was pretty bloody likely that it was him after all, since they wouldn't use the number 2 guy for this job most likely:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/patriots/depthChart.html

Can't wait to see this blow up once the mainstream media figures this out.

Any of you Pats fans catch HBO's Real Sports tonight--if not, you ought to make sure you TIVO it. Seems that a "former Pats offensive star" has talked to HBO and backed up Walsh's claims as to how all this worked and how effective it was. I dare say the "She-at"'s about to hit your fan, boys. Enjoy....
So the fact that Michael Bishop threw 9 passes that year (including one at the end of the first half in a game - which meant he had to be the #2 QB) means he was 4th? Brady moved up towards the end of the year but it was mainly Bishop and Freisz. Actually Bishop was his main backup for a while which prompted many Patriots fans to want Belichick to make him the starter. Friesz appeared in one game (Nov 5, went 11-21), Brady appeared in one game (going 1-3), and Bishop appeared in 8 games (8 of the first 10 I believe). That right there pretty much guarantees Bishop was the backup, then Freisz overtook him, then Brady overtook him, then Brady overtook Freisz. That depth chart right there is an end of season depth chart, and arguably not even an accurate one.

Feel free to think Belichick thought so much of Tom Brady, as a rookie 4th string QB in the preseason (because that's when this all first started, in the preseason game against Tampa Bay which is when Brady allegedly won his roster spot and was his 4th career NFL game action and without any regular season action to his professional credit), he chose to hand him this information. But doing so would then contradict the feeling many of you have that Belichick was "lucky" with Brady.

I'll stick by that it was probably John Freisz. You said it was probably a 3rd QB. The 3rd QB the majority of that season was Freisz, not Brady. Just because Walsh says some star offensive player agrees with him (despite the fact he isn't named) must mean it's all true! We all know how truthful and honest Walsh has been through this whole thing.

Such a bitter, bitter Bills fan. I guess 94-17 really eats at you.

MR NFLFAN
05-17-2008, 04:49 PM
I knew your panties would get bunched.
"...every camera and everything was watched." Really? By whom? goodell's people? Knowing what we know about his tactics he nor his league will ever get the benefit of the doubt from rational fans.

Didn't we see your team's offense in no-huddle mode a lot? Not hurry-up but no-huddle you know, with your golden boy taking his time with that blank look on his face waiting for "instructions." Waiting for the OC to tell him where the defenders won't be like Weis did.


I'm not sure I understand your logic. The Team was fined $250,000 and Belichick $500,000 along with the loss of the 1st rd pick not to mention the black eye Mr Kraft and the entire Pats org. suffered. Plus knowing the team and its sidelines would be heavly monitored by the entire league YOU still believe they continued to tape this past season?


You really can't be serious?

TomBradyWoot
05-17-2008, 10:31 PM
I'm not sure I understand your logic. The Team was fined $250,000 and Belichick $500,000 along with the loss of the 1st rd pick not to mention the black eye Mr Kraft and the entire Pats org. suffered. Plus knowing the team and its sidelines would be heavly monitored by the entire league YOU still believe they continued to tape this past season?


You really can't be serious?
Of course he is. The team and it's sidelines was so heavily monitored. What teams did this season preparing for the team was borderline ridiculous. Like I've said, it was well publicized what Norv Turner did in Week 2. He didn't give his players the first ten plays, he made sure he left no paper trail, he changed his signs, everything. I highly doubt he was the only one that did it. I'm sure not all of them took it to that extreme but, some probably did and then more.

Just accept it, even though they did lose the Super Bowl they still won 18 games without cheating (and yes, I say 18 because they were caught at halftime of week 1, and you say for yourselves 3 coaches giving signs the Jets clearly knew what was up - no way they could've successfully cheated in that game) at all last season.

MattM
05-18-2008, 10:46 PM
So the fact that Michael Bishop threw 9 passes that year (including one at the end of the first half in a game - which meant he had to be the #2 QB) means he was 4th? Brady moved up towards the end of the year but it was mainly Bishop and Freisz. Actually Bishop was his main backup for a while which prompted many Patriots fans to want Belichick to make him the starter. Friesz appeared in one game (Nov 5, went 11-21), Brady appeared in one game (going 1-3), and Bishop appeared in 8 games (8 of the first 10 I believe). That right there pretty much guarantees Bishop was the backup, then Freisz overtook him, then Brady overtook him, then Brady overtook Freisz. That depth chart right there is an end of season depth chart, and arguably not even an accurate one.

Feel free to think Belichick thought so much of Tom Brady, as a rookie 4th string QB in the preseason (because that's when this all first started, in the preseason game against Tampa Bay which is when Brady allegedly won his roster spot and was his 4th career NFL game action and without any regular season action to his professional credit), he chose to hand him this information. But doing so would then contradict the feeling many of you have that Belichick was "lucky" with Brady.

I'll stick by that it was probably John Freisz. You said it was probably a 3rd QB. The 3rd QB the majority of that season was Freisz, not Brady. Just because Walsh says some star offensive player agrees with him (despite the fact he isn't named) must mean it's all true! We all know how truthful and honest Walsh has been through this whole thing.

Such a bitter, bitter Bills fan. I guess 94-17 really eats at you.

Read what I wrote, moron, it wasn't Walsh who said this--it was HBO who contacted the player and had this quote from him. Personally, I still can't believe this hasn't gotten more air time, as it strikes me as taking a large chunk out of the "it didn't really help" argument (which was pretty weak to begin with, considering the resources they spent on it for 8 years).....

chris66
05-19-2008, 10:12 PM
Of course he is. The team and it's sidelines was so heavily monitored. What teams did this season preparing for the team was borderline ridiculous. Like I've said, it was well publicized what Norv Turner did in Week 2. He didn't give his players the first ten plays, he made sure he left no paper trail, he changed his signs, everything. I highly doubt he was the only one that did it. I'm sure not all of them took it to that extreme but, some probably did and then more.

Just accept it, even though they did lose the Super Bowl they still won 18 games without cheating (and yes, I say 18 because they were caught at halftime of week 1, and you say for yourselves 3 coaches giving signs the Jets clearly knew what was up - no way they could've successfully cheated in that game) at all last season.

Actually it was near the end of the first quarter that estrella was was found taping by nfl security