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AdamDrizzy
07-22-2008, 12:34 PM
JETS 7-9

At the QB position - its hard to tell whats going to happen. I think Clemens should start the season. He should be alright behind that nasty Oline they have. Addition Faneca will be a great help at the blind side. In my opinion - they are stacked at Tight End if Keller plays like he did in College. Coles needs a solid #2 WR opposite with him. Defensively - the line is pretty good. The linebackers and d-backs dont really scare me too much. Revis is getting better but all in all - they are all average CBs at best at the moment.

BILLS 9-7

The QB position is settled with Edwards - probably one of the best rookie QBs ive ever seen. He is my biggest concern on the team. The offensive line is average and the receiving corps is alright. Hardy and Evans is a scary combination. The defense is looking GREAT. I'm still not sold on KO simpson at safety... but Buffalo is stacked at Cornerback and Linebackers. This year lies in the arm of Edwards.

DOLPHINS 5-11

The QB position in Miami is horrid. Hopefully Beck or Henne can step up because we all know what McCown can do - and its not much. The receiving core is average but Wilford should be a fan favorite in Miami. The moves Parcells made this year are very questionable. I think it will be a fun year for Miami fans. I'm looking foward to seeing Torbor with Porter at LB - this, to me, is their best position. The fins should have won alot more games last year.

PATRIOTS 14-2

Brady and the gang are back and something tells me they don't give a crap about records this year. They want to win the easiest way possible. I don't expect large leads like last year but I do expect them to come out firing. They need to. Their d-backs need help. Expect the patriots offense to stay on the field more than usual this year with a better running game.

BEST:
QB - Brady
RB - Lynch
TE - Watson
FB - Heath Evans
WR 1 - Moss
WR 2 - Evans
DE 1 - Seymour
DE 2 - Schobel
DT 1 - Wilfork
DT 2 - Stroud
LB - Thomas
CB 1 - McGee
CB 2 - Revis (Edit)
FS/SS - Whitner

Thats my 2 cents

nyjunc
07-22-2008, 01:01 PM
JETS 7-9

At the QB position - its hard to tell whats going to happen. I think Clemens should start the season. He should be alright behind that nasty Oline they have. Addition Faneca will be a great help at the blind side. In my opinion - they are stacked at Tight End if Keller plays like he did in College. Coles needs a solid #2 WR opposite with him. Defensively - the line is pretty good. The linebackers and d-backs dont really scare me too much. Revis is getting better but all in all - they are all average CBs at best at the moment.


This is a fair assessment but Jerricho Cotchery plays opposite Coles and he's arguably better than Coles so we have a #2 WR. After that the questions begin but we have one of the better duos in the game and I think the best in the division. Moss is clearly the best WR, it's not close but Cotc is better than Welker. Welker has the benfit of playing opposite the best WR in the game and having the best QB of this generation throw to him.

How is Edwards one of the best rookie QBs you have ever seen but kellen Clemens should be ok? Clemens and Edwrads were basically the same player last year and are both at similar stages of development. If I was betting I'd expect Edwards to be better but he's still developing and he was decent last year- far from great.

defensively David Harris is the best inside LB in the division, Rhodes the best S and Revis the best corner. Justin Miller may not even start, how could he be on your list of best in the AFCE?

AdamDrizzy
07-22-2008, 01:21 PM
This is a fair assessment but Jerricho Cotchery plays opposite Coles and he's arguably better than Coles so we have a #2 WR. After that the questions begin but we have one of the better duos in the game and I think the best in the division. Moss is clearly the best WR, it's not close but Cotc is better than Welker. Welker has the benfit of playing opposite the best WR in the game and having the best QB of this generation throw to him.

How is Edwards one of the best rookie QBs you have ever seen but kellen Clemens should be ok? Clemens and Edwrads were basically the same player last year and are both at similar stages of development. If I was betting I'd expect Edwards to be better but he's still developing and he was decent last year- far from great.

defensively David Harris is the best inside LB in the division, Rhodes the best S and Revis the best corner. Justin Miller may not even start, how could he be on your list of best in the AFCE?

Did I say Miller was the best on my list? Cross that out. I'll put Hobbs, Greer, or Revis on there.

Edwards has poise and will take a hit which is awesome... hes amazing in the pocket like Brady.

I still think the Jets can use a better WR tag team

nyjunc
07-22-2008, 01:25 PM
Did I say Miller was the best on my list? Cross that out. I'll put Hobbs, Greer, or Revis on there.

Edwards has poise and will take a hit which is awesome... hes amazing in the pocket like Brady.

I still think the Jets can use a better WR tag team

You do know Jerricho Cotchery plays for the Jets, right?

2006 & 2007:
Evans: 137 recs, 2141 yds, 13 TDs
Cotch: 164 recs, 2091 yds, 8 TDs

Evans is more of a deep threat but their #s are comparable despite Cotch being a 2nd option most of the last 2 years AND he played the 2nd half of the year w/ a broken finger.

AdamDrizzy
07-22-2008, 01:30 PM
You do know Jerricho Cotchery plays for the Jets, right?

2006 & 2007:
Evans: 137 recs, 2141 yds, 13 TDs
Cotch: 164 recs, 2091 yds, 8 TDs

Evans is more of a deep threat but their #s are comparable despite Cotch being a 2nd option most of the last 2 years AND he played the 2nd half of the year w/ a broken finger.

I do know

I'd still take Evans though...and i changed Miller to Revis

Truthfully I don't follow every Jets game as much as I should making these blogs

nyjunc
07-22-2008, 01:32 PM
I do know

I'd still take Evans though

Sure I'd take Evans too, that's not the point. The point is the Jets have an excellent starting duo, only the Pats could make a claim for a better starting duo in the division.

AdamDrizzy
07-22-2008, 01:53 PM
I wish the Bills Jets rivalry was strong again

its more like...

bills/jets/fins Vs pats now

John from Hemet
07-22-2008, 04:42 PM
This is a fair assessment but Jerricho Cotchery plays opposite Coles and he's arguably better than Coles so we have a #2 WR. After that the questions begin but we have one of the better duos in the game and I think the best in the division. Moss is clearly the best WR, it's not close but Cotc is better than Welker. Welker has the benfit of playing opposite the best WR in the game and having the best QB of this generation throw to him.

How is Edwards one of the best rookie QBs you have ever seen but kellen Clemens should be ok? Clemens and Edwrads were basically the same player last year and are both at similar stages of development. If I was betting I'd expect Edwards to be better but he's still developing and he was decent last year- far from great.

defensively David Harris is the best inside LB in the division, Rhodes the best S and Revis the best corner. Justin Miller may not even start, how could he be on your list of best in the AFCE?

The only reason why David Harris is even close to being the best is because Poz went down early in the year. Before he went down he was having a D rookie of the year type season.

Harris is NOT as good as POZ

nyjunc
07-22-2008, 06:29 PM
The only reason why David Harris is even close to being the best is because Poz went down early in the year. Before he went down he was having a D rookie of the year type season.

Harris is NOT as good as POZ


:sidelol::sidelol: If Harris started a few more games he would have won rookie of the year, as it was only starting 9 games he was very close to Willis(better in some categories) and he completely transformed our defense. Poz has to play catch up to catch Harris.

MattM
07-24-2008, 06:41 AM
Did I say Miller was the best on my list? Cross that out. I'll put Hobbs, Greer, or Revis on there.

Edwards has poise and will take a hit which is awesome... hes amazing in the pocket like Brady.

I still think the Jets can use a better WR tag team

I'm still worried that he doesn't get up from those "hits"--his injury history is a bit of a concern.....

emeraldfin
07-24-2008, 08:25 AM
defensively David Harris is the best inside LB in the division, Rhodes the best S and Revis the best corner. Justin Miller may not even start, how could he be on your list of best in the AFCE?

Revis is not better than McGee after 1 season in the NFL. McGee had 1 more interception than Revis and played a game less.

Also I will agree Rhodes is the best FS in the league, not the best safety, as he could never be a better strong safety than Rodney Harrison.

Harris is the best MLB I will agree with that.

nyjunc
07-24-2008, 03:48 PM
Revis is not better than McGee after 1 season in the NFL. McGee had 1 more interception than Revis and played a game less.

Also I will agree Rhodes is the best FS in the league, not the best safety, as he could never be a better strong safety than Rodney Harrison.

Harris is the best MLB I will agree with that.

You cannot just judge solely on INTs. In 2005 Ty Law was pretty bad for us but he had 10 INTs b/c QBs kept throwing towards him, he got burnt alot more than he suceeded but he made the PB based on 10 INTs and people that didn't watch the games think he had a great year.

BwanaZulia
07-25-2008, 01:12 PM
7-9 for the Jets is a little low, but I am thinking 9-7/10-6 so a few games could bounce either way.

Not sure the Dolphins are going to win 5.

BZ

SpurzN703
07-25-2008, 03:02 PM
This is a fair assessment but Jerricho Cotchery plays opposite Coles and he's arguably better than Coles so we have a #2 WR. After that the questions begin but we have one of the better duos in the game and I think the best in the division. Moss is clearly the best WR, it's not close but Cotc is better than Welker. Welker has the benfit of playing opposite the best WR in the game and having the best QB of this generation throw to him.

How is Edwards one of the best rookie QBs you have ever seen but kellen Clemens should be ok? Clemens and Edwrads were basically the same player last year and are both at similar stages of development. If I was betting I'd expect Edwards to be better but he's still developing and he was decent last year- far from great.

defensively David Harris is the best inside LB in the division, Rhodes the best S and Revis the best corner. Justin Miller may not even start, how could he be on your list of best in the AFCE?

NY Jets: 19-0

Greatest QB of all time, Leon Washington is Walter Payton, Cotchery will have 45 TDs and Rhodes will have 78 INTs.

Jets Super Bowl Champs in 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014

nyjunc
07-25-2008, 03:18 PM
NY Jets: 19-0

Greatest QB of all time, Leon Washington is Walter Payton, Cotchery will have 45 TDs and Rhodes will have 78 INTs.

Jets Super Bowl Champs in 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014

I don't get why you tend to follow me in threads and crack on my posts? I post fair evaluations of both the jets and dolphins. I haven't called the Jets a SB team, I haven't said we are going to the playoffs. I don't say all our players are great but the few who are very good players I like to see get recognition.

Tetragrammaton
07-25-2008, 11:50 PM
I like the list, but I think the Bills will do a bit better and the Dolphins a bit worse.

SpurzN703
07-26-2008, 09:56 AM
I don't get why you tend to follow me in threads and crack on my posts? I post fair evaluations of both the jets and dolphins. I haven't called the Jets a SB team, I haven't said we are going to the playoffs. I don't say all our players are great but the few who are very good players I like to see get recognition.

I don't follow you in any posts. In fact, I haven't even spoken to you in a long time. We're just in the same thread talking about the same topics is all, what's the big deal?

nyjunc
07-26-2008, 10:33 AM
I don't follow you in any posts. In fact, I haven't even spoken to you in a long time. We're just in the same thread talking about the same topics is all, what's the big deal?

It's not a big deal except you always seeom to be cirticizing me acting like I'm a homer when that just isn't true. I post my opinions which are backed up by facts, I criticize the Jets & PHins when it's warranted and I praise them when it's warranted.

John from Hemet
07-31-2008, 12:31 AM
It's not a big deal except you always seeom to be cirticizing me acting like I'm a homer when that just isn't true. I post my opinions which are backed up by facts, I criticize the Jets & PHins when it's warranted and I praise them when it's warranted.

Not based on what I have seen......I think you post with your heart (which is ok for a fan we all do it)

But I have yet to see facts on your recent posts (like our discussion about the linebackers) that prove anything.

nyjunc
07-31-2008, 06:57 AM
Not based on what I have seen......I think you post with your heart (which is ok for a fan we all do it)

But I have yet to see facts on your recent posts (like our discussion about the linebackers) that prove anything.

I post w/ my heart yet after harris has an amazing season for a rookie and Poz does little in limited time you say Poz is better. I think you are the one using your heart. Your LBs are ok, we signed the biggest FA prize at LB and you get a decent vet and you think your LBs are better. Harris is the best LB in the division right now, that doesn't mean Poz or others won't be better but I'd take Harris over any of them right now. if you watched him last year and saw the instant change in the D when he became a starter you'd know what I'm talking about.

John from Hemet
07-31-2008, 02:00 PM
I post w/ my heart yet after harris has an amazing season for a rookie and Poz does little in limited time you say Poz is better. I think you are the one using your heart. Your LBs are ok, we signed the biggest FA prize at LB and you get a decent vet and you think your LBs are better. Harris is the best LB in the division right now, that doesn't mean Poz or others won't be better but I'd take Harris over any of them right now. if you watched him last year and saw the instant change in the D when he became a starter you'd know what I'm talking about.

What I am saying is you dont KNOW that Harris is better because Poz went down too early for a comparison. At the time he went down Poz was STARTING and Harris was behind somebody else.

Oh well...the good news is the season is right around the corner to put all of this to rest.

nyjunc
07-31-2008, 02:48 PM
What I am saying is you dont KNOW that Harris is better because Poz went down too early for a comparison. At the time he went down Poz was STARTING and Harris was behind somebody else.

Oh well...the good news is the season is right around the corner to put all of this to rest.

Poz may turn out to be better but Harris has proven it on the field while Poz has not and until he does Harris is the better player so far.

emeraldfin
07-31-2008, 04:37 PM
I cant believe this Harris arguement is on two sperate threads. Harris at the moment is the best MLB in the division. However in twelve months we could be saying Poz or Mayo will be the best in the division.

People simply cant say Poz is better than or he would have been better than Harris because he only played 3 games. There is no way you can judge how a players season would have turned out after 3 games.

Deep2Evans
07-31-2008, 11:47 PM
I'm sorry but theres no way Revis is better than McGee at this point. I couldn't disagree with that assessment any more.

nyjunc
08-01-2008, 03:20 PM
I'm sorry but theres no way Revis is better than McGee at this point. I couldn't disagree with that assessment any more.

We'll see, I'm sure no GM would take Mcgee over Revis right now. Revis is a 2nd year player so you haven't seen enoiugh of him yet but you will.

John from Hemet
08-01-2008, 11:23 PM
We'll see, I'm sure no GM would take Mcgee over Revis right now. Revis is a 2nd year player so you haven't seen enoiugh of him yet but you will.

Its amazing how your opinions twist depending on the circumstance.....

Harris is the better player because we have not seen enough of Poz yet....we should not make any assumptions that Poz will be the better player.

Revis is the better player even though we haven't seen enough of him yet and MgGee has proven himself......but we should just go on faith that he is the better player.

Gotcha....:up:

nyjunc
08-02-2008, 07:26 AM
Its amazing how your opinions twist depending on the circumstance.....

Harris is the better player because we have not seen enough of Poz yet....we should not make any assumptions that Poz will be the better player.

Revis is the better player even though we haven't seen enough of him yet and MgGee has proven himself......but we should just go on faith that he is the better player.

Gotcha....:up:

Poz played 2 1/2 games, revis played an entire season. I have seen enough, most people that have watched Revis have seen enough but YOU guys haven't b/c you have only seen him play 2 games against the Bills. It's not on faith, Mcgee has been in this league a while. he's a good player, Revis has star written all over him. Revis had 17 passes defended last year, it took McGee until his 5th season to have as many as 17 and Mcgee faced alot more passes than revis did a year ago. Buf opponents threw it 97 more times a year ago and McGee only had 4 more PDs and just 1 more INT. Revis was a ROOKIE thrown into the fire from day 1 after missing half of training camp. If the players are similar when one is a 5th year player and one is a rookie who do you think has the higher ceiling?

John from Hemet
08-02-2008, 04:01 PM
By the way....I agree that Revis is going to be a better corner then MgGee.....

I just dont like the way you twist your arguements based on the the player......

If Poz was a jet and Harris was a bill I have no doubt your arguement would be different.

Because the jets have nothing but great players..........

nyjunc
08-03-2008, 08:06 AM
By the way....I agree that Revis is going to be a better corner then MgGee.....

I just dont like the way you twist your arguements based on the the player......

If Poz was a jet and Harris was a bill I have no doubt your arguement would be different.

Because the jets have nothing but great players..........

I don't twist anything, the Mcgee vs. revis comparison is nothing like Poz vs. Harris thoughy you are making them try to sound similar and you don't know me very well if you think i twist everything to a Jets slant. I can't admit when other tems have better players, I justn't see it in these situations though I do feel Poz can be as good or better than Harris he just needs to prove it.

Yep I feel we have nothing but great players which is why we won 4 games last year:rolleyes2: Don't make assumptions, we can have alot of great debates and discussions about our teams but please don't assume b/c in these 2 topics I chose Jets over Bills that I will choose Jets in every situation.

AdamDrizzy
08-03-2008, 09:01 AM
Ok...McGee is way better than Revis right now but give Revis 2 years...

He's gonna be a scary CB

nyjunc
08-03-2008, 09:09 AM
Give me the reasons he is "way better"?

AdamDrizzy
08-03-2008, 10:00 AM
Give me the reasons he is "way better"?

2007 stats:

McGee: 78 TACKLES 4 INT
Revis: 87 tackles 3 INT

Not to mention McGee is a better kick return man by far

and his fantasy start is 53% where Revis is 35% ;);)

but like I said... Revis is going to a scary for offenses soon

what the heck is up with these smileys lol;)

nyjunc
08-03-2008, 10:09 AM
2007 stats:

McGee: 78 TACKLES 4 INT
Revis: 87 tackles 3 INT

Not to mention McGee is a better kick return man by far

and his fantasy start is 53% where Revis is 35% ;);)

but like I said... Revis is going to a scary for offenses soon

what the heck is up with these smileys lol;)

So a 5th year player w/ 1 more INT(depsite seeing almost 100 more passes from his opponents) and just 9 more tackles is way better than a rookie w/ 1 less INt and 9 less tackles?

AdamDrizzy
08-03-2008, 10:52 AM
So a 5th year player w/ 1 more INT(depsite seeing almost 100 more passes from his opponents) and just 9 more tackles is way better than a rookie w/ 1 less INt and 9 less tackles?

Actually Revis had 9 more tackles

But I'd feel safer with McGee

Me and you will have fun in the McGee vs Revis war on here this season... :up:

rick32883
08-03-2008, 11:26 AM
i dont see the pats going 14-2 this season .. i think they have up to 4 losses


they were totally exposed in the superbowl i think teams are going to go over those tapes heavily and exploit their few weaknesses

satz
08-04-2008, 08:00 PM
they were totally exposed in the superbowl i think teams are going to go over those tapes heavily and exploit their few weaknesses

Are you saying they will not work on this in the offseason to improve this?. from day 1 the OL has worked only on fire blitz and for 14 full pad session the OL is being worked alot of full onblitz pickup.people forget that the no 2 sacks last year was 47 by pats. the ol has been training against the starting rush all season.

btw, do you know which defence has given the least amount of points in the last 5 yrs at 17.1 /games its from the AFC east.

ILoveTomBrady
08-04-2008, 09:07 PM
i dont see the pats going 14-2 this season .. i think they have up to 4 losses


they were totally exposed in the superbowl i think teams are going to go over those tapes heavily and exploit their few weaknesses

How many teams have the personnel to do what NY did to them in the superbowl?

Also, don't forget that NE has the easiest schedule in the league (using 2007 records). I'll be surprised if they lose more than 2 games in the regular season.

shastz
08-05-2008, 04:06 PM
i dont see the pats going 14-2 this season .. i think they have up to 4 losses


they were totally exposed in the superbowl i think teams are going to go over those tapes heavily and exploit their few weaknesses


Exposed??? Really??? If you mean that you need a top 5 defensive line to expose the Patriot offense in one out of two games then I guess your right. :rolleyes: However good luck getting to work on are weekly basis. :lol:

SpurzN703
08-06-2008, 01:15 PM
So a 5th year player w/ 1 more INT(depsite seeing almost 100 more passes from his opponents) and just 9 more tackles is way better than a rookie w/ 1 less INt and 9 less tackles?

Even if Revis is better, what's the point?

He can't be better then someone who's had more experience then him. Not after just 1 year

SpaceMountain16
08-06-2008, 01:17 PM
I don't twist anything, the Mcgee vs. revis comparison is nothing like Poz vs. Harris thoughy you are making them try to sound similar and you don't know me very well if you think i twist everything to a Jets slant. I can't admit when other tems have better players, I justn't see it in these situations though I do feel Poz can be as good or better than Harris he just needs to prove it.

Yep I feel we have nothing but great players which is why we won 4 games last year:rolleyes2: Don't make assumptions, we can have alot of great debates and discussions about our teams but please don't assume b/c in these 2 topics I chose Jets over Bills that I will choose Jets in every situation.

....lol :lol:

nyjunc
08-06-2008, 01:51 PM
Even if Revis is better, what's the point?

He can't be better then someone who's had more experience then him. Not after just 1 year

He can't be better after 1 year? I guess Thomas Jones is better than Adrian peterson, Peterson can't be better after 1 season, right?

TomBradyWoot
08-06-2008, 02:45 PM
He can't be better after 1 year? I guess Thomas Jones is better than Adrian peterson, Peterson can't be better after 1 season, right?

:hi5: