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elandre
08-08-2008, 05:24 PM
I was watching the Jets game just now on NFL network and let me tell ya Gholston didnt look to impressive. He wasn't with the 1st team unit. and when He played he only had 2 tackles with 1 ast. He was getting pushed around by the backup LT, but i will say his GUN's are Huge he looks like a WWE guy out on the field. :lol:


Cant wait to see how Jake handles him during game 1 that is if Gholston even makes the starting lineup. Whoooo:up:

alphabet
08-08-2008, 05:29 PM
Im with you here man Gholston= PWND

Pinkboy
08-08-2008, 05:38 PM
Gholston was so lost in pass coverage that he was deeper than the cornerbacks on quite a few occasions.. LOL . He looked like a chicken with his head cut off out there.

X-Pacolypse
08-08-2008, 08:22 PM
Jake is going to knock Gholston flat on his roided up keester.

Roger Podacter
08-08-2008, 08:27 PM
Jake is going to knock Gholston flat on his roided up keester.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yot9ClPvZDg

Jake was OWND

alphabet
08-08-2008, 08:31 PM
Wow one play, can you tell me what happen the rest of the game. PWND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Akronfinfan36
08-08-2008, 08:34 PM
Vernon's a freak...He went right through Jake and Mike Hart on that play. It's crazy...as a Buckeye fan, I used to love it when Vernon would blow up plays against Michigan and smack Long, Hart and Henne in the mouth. Things are different now.:lol:

Roger Podacter
08-08-2008, 08:34 PM
Wow one play, can you tell me what happen the rest of the game. PWND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One pre season game, can you tell me what happens the rest of the season?

YoMamma
08-08-2008, 08:42 PM
you guys need to remember that Gholston played DE in college, so adjusting to NFL OLB is gonna be a weeeeeee bit of a challenge for him.

ChambersWI
08-08-2008, 08:51 PM
you guys need to remember that Gholston played DE in college, so adjusting to NFL OLB is gonna be a weeeeeee bit of a challenge for him.

this is very true. Gholston is a physical specimen, but he is not as athletically gifted as the two guys he has most recently been compared too; DeMarcus Ware and Shawn Merrimen. Both were not only more athletic, but had very refined pass rushing skills. Gholston is a very very good prospect, BUT he is extremely raw as a pass rusher who has pretty much relied on talent alone to beat guys in college. He's gonna have to learn some moves to be successfull over an extended period of time.

That is not say he's gonna be a bust though. Had he been drafted by KC, Oakland, St Louis, or another 4-3 team, I think he'd have a fairly impressive rookie season cause all he'd have to do is go after the QB. As a 3-4 OLB, in a Billicheck influeced 3-4, he's gonna have to learn a lot of new assignments that he has never had to deal with.

#1dolphinsfan
08-08-2008, 09:02 PM
i think Calvin Pace is the guy rushing off the LT Gholston will be on the other side

PhinsPhan122
08-08-2008, 09:26 PM
In my opinion Gholston should be in a 4-3, not a 3-4. He should eventually get it, but I think he is better served as an DE in a 4-3.

Jetsfan0099
08-08-2008, 10:21 PM
Yea he is new as a OLB, he did look lost at times, he had 2 QB hurries and should of had a sack if he took a better angle. He will get better, hes just not use to the position and really can't play full speed because of it.
We use him at a lot of different positions, DE and OLB. WE move him around a lot, and he missed a lot of spring practices because of the reporting rule, and Ohio State ending their classes later then others. So he hasn't had much time, I am hoping he gets it by the start of the season, probably won't start, Bryan Thomas and Calvin Pace will be our starting OLBs.

nyjunc
08-09-2008, 09:21 AM
I was watching the Jets game just now on NFL network and let me tell ya Gholston didnt look to impressive. He wasn't with the 1st team unit. and when He played he only had 2 tackles with 1 ast. He was getting pushed around by the backup LT, but i will say his GUN's are Huge he looks like a WWE guy out on the field. :lol:


Cant wait to see how Jake handles him during game 1 that is if Gholston even makes the starting lineup. Whoooo:up:

He was never going to start from day 1, he will be a situational pass rusher this year before hopefully being ready to be an every down player by next season. He is still a bit of a project, he's been in camp 2 weeks, he didn't attend the OTAs and he's learning a new position at the highest level of the sport. Long is light years ahead of him at this stage of their careers and that is normal.

ArmyFin7
08-09-2008, 09:42 AM
I remember some of those "Draft Ghoulston" threads....what a shame it would have been to spend a pick that high on a guy who isn't going to be able to make an impact in yr 1....glad it wasn't us.

Deadhead
08-09-2008, 09:49 AM
I was watching the Jets game just now on NFL network and let me tell ya Gholston didnt look to impressive. He wasn't with the 1st team unit. and when He played he only had 2 tackles with 1 ast. He was getting pushed around by the backup LT, but i will say his GUN's are Huge he looks like a WWE guy out on the field. :lol:


Cant wait to see how Jake handles him during game 1 that is if Gholston even makes the starting lineup. Whoooo:up:

Gholston made a highlight real out of Jake in college.

ArmyFin7
08-09-2008, 09:52 AM
1 play isn't much of a highlight real...

Deadhead
08-09-2008, 09:55 AM
1 play isn't much of a highlight real...
It was much more then 1 play just watch how many times he pancaked Jake to knock Henne on his butt

nyjunc
08-09-2008, 10:20 AM
I remember some of those "Draft Ghoulston" threads....what a shame it would have been to spend a pick that high on a guy who isn't going to be able to make an impact in yr 1....glad it wasn't us.

You don't draft guys to perform in year 1, you draft them to perform for years. When we drafted Blair Thomas he had a good rookie year but I think most Jet fans would have preferred he stunk as a rookie and got better instead of going in the other direction.

We'll find out in 3-4 years who made the correct decisions on draft day. Remember the Giants trdae for Eli manning in '04 looked like one of the worst trdaes in the history of the sport until Jan-Feb of this year where it now looks pretty good.

hooshoops
08-09-2008, 10:25 AM
vernon gholston has the best bullrush i've seen from an end coming out of college in quite some time. he's quite quick around the edge also.

should be some test for jake. i still think he'll do fine

hooshoops
08-09-2008, 10:27 AM
It was much more then 1 play just watch how many times he pancaked Jake to knock Henne on his butt

jake was only credited with giving up one sack to gholston. however, jake did get pushed back into henne numerous times by gholstons bull rush. quite impressive game for gholston. whoever was playing inside of jake on that side was getting destroyed on every play making jake look worse than he actually was.

elandre
08-09-2008, 11:39 AM
You don't draft guys to perform in year 1, you draft them to perform for years. When we drafted Blair Thomas he had a good rookie year but I think most Jet fans would have preferred he stunk as a rookie and got better instead of going in the other direction.

We'll find out in 3-4 years who made the correct decisions on draft day. Remember the Giants trdae for Eli manning in '04 looked like one of the worst trdaes in the history of the sport until Jan-Feb of this year where it now looks pretty good.


Eli will never be his brother! He should of blown the superbowl with that almost Int dropped by Samuels! Dont get me wrong im glad he didnt cause im sure u hate the Pats just as much me! but well see this year im still not sold on Eli.

jetsman
08-09-2008, 12:42 PM
jake was only credited with giving up one sack to gholston. however, jake did get pushed back into henne numerous times by gholstons bull rush. quite impressive game for gholston. whoever was playing inside of jake on that side was getting destroyed on every play making jake look worse than he actually was.

Gholston was only credited with one sack in that game,but Jake gave up three sacks in his college career and TWO OF THEM WERE TO GHOLSTON!!!Gholston was a terror that whole game,not just the sack.He will be somewhere around double digit sacks as a part time specialist this year.

nyjunc
08-10-2008, 07:06 AM
Eli will never be his brother! He should of blown the superbowl with that almost Int dropped by Samuels! Dont get me wrong im glad he didnt cause im sure u hate the Pats just as much me! but well see this year im still not sold on Eli.

Eli could go back to being a mediocre QB and that trade would still have been worth itb/c he led them to a SB and he was ALOT better ion the giants run to a SB then his brother was the year before.

Blitz99
08-10-2008, 08:45 PM
Gholston = draft bust!

ZachThomas76
08-10-2008, 08:48 PM
Wow one play, can you tell me what happen the rest of the game. PWND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The same logic could apply to this thread. One game. Kinda silly really. If the Phins took Gholston people here would talk him up as the next LT. Nothing new really.

rent this space
08-10-2008, 11:42 PM
Gholston was only credited with one sack in that game,but Jake gave up three sacks in his college career and TWO OF THEM WERE TO GHOLSTON!!!Gholston was a terror that whole game,not just the sack.He will be somewhere around double digit sacks as a part time specialist this year.
:bs:

ArmyFin7
08-11-2008, 05:52 AM
Ghoulston and Chris Long seem to be in the same boat....lost in yr 1. It's difficult to go from a 4-3 DE to a 3-4 OLB. The Ghoulston pick will probably work out well in the future...trouble is with all the money the Jets are throwing at Band-aids it looks to me with the cap situation the future of the franchise is in trouble. The FO sold that down the river to try and save their jobs. Being a fins fan I've seen it A LOT.

nyjunc
08-11-2008, 06:06 AM
Ghoulston and Chris Long seem to be in the same boat....lost in yr 1. It's difficult to go from a 4-3 DE to a 3-4 OLB. The Ghoulston pick will probably work out well in the future...trouble is with all the money the Jets are throwing at Band-aids it looks to me with the cap situation the future of the franchise is in trouble. The FO sold that down the river to try and save their jobs. Being a fins fan I've seen it A LOT.

Band-aids? Favre is a 1-2 year player(much like Chad is for you guys) but who outside of Favre is a 1-2 year player? The Coaching Staff and FO jobs were safe this year, they didn't need to spend to save their jobs. They have been here 2 years and made the postseason 1 of those 2 years. Their jobs were not and still are not in jeopardy. We had some holes and they filled them nicely w/ some FAs and trades.

emeraldfin
08-11-2008, 06:18 AM
Band-aids? Favre is a 1-2 year player(much like Chad is for you guys) but who outside of Favre is a 1-2 year player? The Coaching Staff and FO jobs were safe this year, they didn't need to spend to save their jobs. They have been here 2 years and made the postseason 1 of those 2 years. Their jobs were not and still are not in jeopardy. We had some holes and they filled them nicely w/ some FAs and trades.

If the Jets go 4-12 this year their jobs will most definetly be in jeopardy after spending all that money and making no progress

ArmyFin7
08-11-2008, 06:21 AM
How long do you expect Faneca to stay around? Im guessing about as long as Favre, 1 maybe 2 yrs. And with the Salary cap situation, it's going to be hard to resign your own players. Im not bangin on the Jets, but Ive seen our previous FO's do the same thing. It reaks of desperation to me.

nyjunc
08-11-2008, 07:06 AM
If the Jets go 4-12 this year their jobs will most definetly be in jeopardy after spending all that money and making no progress

There's a better chance Parcells is coaching by the end of the year that the Jets going 4-12 baring diastrous injuries and if we have diastrous injuries that would probably be enough to bring them back anyway.


How long do you expect Faneca to stay around? Im guessing about as long as Favre, 1 maybe 2 yrs. And with the Salary cap situation, it's going to be hard to resign your own players. Im not bangin on the Jets, but Ive seen our previous FO's do the same thing. It reaks of desperation to me.

Faneca is 31 not 37, as long as he stays healthy he has at least 2-3 more top years left in him and at least 5 plus years of playing good football.

We have re-signed our key guys for the upcoming seasons, by the time Mangold, harris, revis are up we'll have more cap room. It's not like we spend like this every offseason.

When have you seen your previous FOs do the same things? I hope the Jets are desperate to win but they are not desperate to save their jobs. We have a good young core and they added needed pieces around them. They spent more than I would have liekd but those were the going rates. The Giants had a similar offseason 3 years ago, it took 3 years to see the end result but you don't just sign guys for the upcoming season. This is a process, we better be good this year but it's not all or nothing this year.

satz
08-11-2008, 08:59 AM
Having not seen this game as i have no NFL network, how did his performace compare to Mayo i wonder.

the jet payroll is close to 150Million this year if they go 4-12 someone is getting fired.

KlausC
08-13-2008, 07:46 PM
If the Jets go 4-12 this year their jobs will most definetly be in jeopardy after spending all that money and making no progress

4-12 this year would be unacceptable after all the talent they added unless it came with a bunch of significant injuries. That said, I would hate to see another CS pushed out the door in 3 years even if they went 4-12 two seasons in a row. I still think Mangini can get the job done, but another 4-12 would have me leaning the other way.

I think you may be right though, even if the owner said their jobs aren't in question. 4-12 followed by 4-12 would change Woody's mind quick.

The Myth
08-14-2008, 10:13 PM
Gholston is a one trick pony. He has a really good swim move and that is it. He can't cover for garbage no hip flex that a good OLB needs. He might be a good DE rusher but that will be it.

kilgore Trout
09-12-2008, 10:53 PM
Gholston = draft bust!
You're probably right.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2008/09/gholstonbo3-1.jpg

milldog
09-12-2008, 10:59 PM
You're probably right.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2008/09/gholstonbo3-1.jpg

As much as I hate the Jets, Gholston will be a bad mutha-fu*@er! Yeah he's raw but I'd love to have him...just not at the expense of not having Jake. You gotta admit he's super entertaining to watch. Guarantee he gets a handfull of pro-bowls before he retires!

X-Pacolypse
12-03-2008, 08:48 PM
Vernon Gholston is a B-U-S-T..... BUST, BUST, BUST!!!!

Jetsfan89
12-03-2008, 09:28 PM
Vernon Gholston is a B-U-S-T..... BUST, BUST, BUST!!!!

Haha yeah cause you know that after 13 weeks of his first NFL season. :lol:

emeraldfin
12-04-2008, 08:12 AM
Still abit early to call him a bust.

But are Jets fans concerned over his apparent lack of progression?

nyjunc
12-04-2008, 09:05 AM
Still abit early to call him a bust.

But are Jets fans concerned over his apparent lack of progression?

Most Jet fans were concenred he had a poor training camp. I never felt he would be good this year anyway so I wasn't concenred but I am concerned w/ the lack of progress. I expected some flashes his rookie year and we haven't seen anything positive out of him.