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BuffaloSoldier2
08-09-2008, 02:21 AM
I've done this the past two years and it always good for conversation. Although I'm a Bills fan, I try my best to as unbiased as possible. A lot has changed in this division in the offseason and it appears to once again shaping into the best divisions in football. The rating work like this: 4 points for the best, 3 points for the 2nd best, and so on. So without further ado, here we go:

Quarterbacks
NE 4
NYJ 3
BUF 2
MIA 1

A week ago, this was just Tom Brady and a bunch of nobodies. Obviously, a whole lot has changed. Brady, as much as I hate to say it, is one of the greatest QBs to ever play. The Jets got themselves a HOFer who is coming off a great year. Of course, the previous 2 years, he threw 47 ints. Still, he is by far and away the 2nd best QB.

Now, here's where there will be some arguments. Pennington definitely is an upgrade over what the Fins have. He is a gamer and seems to always make the right decisions. However, I see Edwards a younger version of CP without the injuries. Additionlly in their only head to head meeting, TE outplayed CP. Thus, an emerging (hopefully) Edwards gets the nod over a declining CP by the slightest of margains.

Running Backs
BUF 4
NE 3
MIA 2
NYJ 1

This one is a very tough one because of a lot of uncertainty. Lynch proved to be a very tough runner and when he was injured, Fred Jackson stepped in and played very well. NE under used Maroney last year (not that it matter) and I think Lamont Jordan is a very solid under the radar pickup.

Miami's situation is a very tough one to rate. They very well could have the best backs in the division. But with Ronnie Brown coming back from knee injury and Ricky not really playing in years, their ranking is lowered. Thomas Jones is a decent back who runs hard but is nothing special. Washington is a very good change of pace back but doesn't get enough carries to be a major player.

Wide Receivers
NE 4
NYJ 3
BUF 2
MIA 1

Not even close. Moss and Welker (though overrated) are an awesome duo. Coles and Cotchery are a very solid duo in their own right, bt neither is a gamebreaker. Lee Evans is the 2nd best receiver in the division but he has had little help. Hardy could be a beast but he is still a rookie and has a lot to prove. Miami's receivers are shaky to say the least.

Tight Ends
NE 4
NYJ 3
BUF 2
MIA 1

Worst position by far in the division. Watson is pretty good but still drops a lot of balls. Between Keller, Franks, and Baker, the Jets have some solid players but no real stars (though Keller maybe). Buffalo's TEs are bad but Miami's are worst.

Offensive Line
NE 4
BUF 3
NYJ 2
MIA 1

This group has improved the most in the division. If you have a record setting offense, your oline gets a lot of credit. Miami and the Jets have improved a lot but have yet to play together. Chemistry takes time to develop. That's why I rate Buffalo's ahead of them both. But all 4 teams have the pieces for a very solid units.

Defensive Line
NE 4
BUF 3
NYJ 2
MIA 1

NE has one of the best d-lines in football, though age maybe catching up with them. The Bills have a pro bowler in Schobel; a former pro bowler in Stroud; and run 2 deep at every position. Jenkins, IMO, isn't what he used to be and is playing a new position. But he still is an upgrade though the rest of the d-line is pretty average. Jason Taylor alone drove down Miami's ranking.

Linebackers
NE 4
BUF 3
NYJ 2
MIA 1

This one is really close. NE gets the nod, though they are fading fast. Mayo probably will be a player, but they are very old every where else. Buffalo and NYJ are almost identical. I think Poz and Harris will both have really good careers. However, I like the experience of the Bills other LBs (Mitchell and Crowell) over the potential of the Jets. And I think Pace got paid way too much money when he was a borderline bust for most of his career. And honestly, I don't know much about Miami's LBs except that Crowder was one of the most overrated players ever on this board.

Secondary
NYJ 4
BUF 3
NE 2
MIA 1

Again, another very difficult group to rate. Neither of these groups are that impressive but there is a lot of potential. Buffalo and the Jets are basically even but I give the Jets the edge because I think Rhodes is the best d back in the division. The bills have a very young group that has a lot of potential. Samuel was a huge loss and Harrison is a year older. Jason Allen doesn't look like a total bust anymore.

Special Teams
BUF 4
NYJ 3
MIA 2
NE 1

Buffalo has a good kicker, great punter, and really good returners. The Jets have a good return game and Nugent is a pretty good kicker. Ginn has a lot of potential and Feely is solid. NE can't dominate everywhere haha.

Obviously, this isn't an exact science but these are my final scores:
NE 30
BUF 26
NYJ 23
MIA 11

Again, this is just one man's opinion. The point isn't to bash other team but to make for an entertaining thread. In my opinion, this is how I believe the teams will finish in the division. I welcome any creative feedback and would appreciate filling me on any players you thinking I'm overlooking. I just am so excited that football is finally back. Enjoy the weekend! :hi5:

satz
08-09-2008, 08:14 AM
SOme contradictions

NE has one of the best d-lines in football, though age maybe catching up with them

Seymour - 29
Vince WIlfork - 26
Ty Warran -25
Backups
Jarvis green -28
Wright - 25
Smith -24

NE LB
Starting rotation for this year behing AD,vrable and Bru
Crable -23 OLB
Mayo - 22 ILB
Woods - 24 OLB
Guyton - 22 ILB

NE RB
How can you leave out faulk the one of the best 3rd down spl in the league
Maroney,Morris,Jordan,faulk

NE secondary
Hobbs -24yr old
whittle and wheatley are 22 and wheatley has been so impressive that is starting LCB in preseason
whittle is play slot
lewis and bryant are in the mix too. mike richardson 6th rounder from last year is also in rotation.alot of 22-24 yr old players with 2 veterans.

Safety- meriweather last year 1st rounder started in the playoffs and sanders is the SS of the future. when rodney was out he filled the spot .I think is most of the games harrison came into 3 safety rotation and played on the LOS matching on TE more as a HYbrid ILB/Safety .

TE matching hybrid Safety/ILB - only team to have 2 Jumbo safety who can shut down TE`s [see chris cooly,dallar clark and gates when harrison was matched 1 on 1 with them last year].this year tank willams is their. the only team to have TE matching specialists.

djfresh47
08-09-2008, 12:53 PM
SOme contradictions

NE has one of the best d-lines in football, though age maybe catching up with them

Seymour - 29
Vince WIlfork - 26
Ty Warran -25
Backups
Jarvis green -28
Wright - 25
Smith -24

NE LB
Starting rotation for this year behing AD,vrable and Bru
Crable -23 OLB
Mayo - 22 ILB
Woods - 24 OLB
Guyton - 22 ILB

NE RB
How can you leave out marshall faulk the one of the best 3rd down spl in the league
Maroney,Morris,Jordan,faulk

NE secondary
Hobbs -24yr old
whittle and wheatley are 22 and wheatley has been so impressive that is starting LCB in preseason
whittle is play slot
lewis and bryant are in the mix too. mike richardson 6th rounder from last year is also in rotation.alot of 22-24 yr old players with 2 veterans.

Safety- meriweather last year 1st rounder started in the playoffs and sanders is the SS of the future. when rodney was out he filled the spot .I think is most of the games harrison came into 3 safety rotation and played on the LOS matching on TE more as a HYbrid ILB/Safety .

TE matching hybrid Safety/ILB - only team to have 2 Jumbo safety who can shut down TE`s [see chris cooly,dallar clark and gates when harrison was matched 1 on 1 with them last year].this year tank willams is their. the only team to have TE matching specialists.

They haven't done anything. Though I think Crable will be thought of as a steal in a couple years.

Unless Tom Brady goes down for an extended period of time New England is the best team. Buffalo and the Jets both had very good offseasons. The Marcus Stroud deal is being overlooked and I believe the Bills are being overlooked because of Favre. The one thing that I think will hold them back is Dick Jauron who I don't think is a good coach.

KlausC
08-14-2008, 07:45 PM
NE RB
How can you leave out marshall faulk the one of the best 3rd down spl in the league
Maroney,Morris,Jordan,faulk

Marshall Faulk :lol:

ih8brady
08-14-2008, 07:56 PM
Marshall Faulk :lol:


lol

ih8brady
08-14-2008, 08:02 PM
Not bad, but the RBs ratings are off. I wouldnt say any of New England's are as talented or effective as RB or RW. And granted RB is a question mark right now in terms of health, but he proved to be an elite runningback. Also, RW looks to be back in form. Lynch is no doubt above average, but he still really hasn't proven to be the next coming of Edge (although he has the potential...maybe this season he will be?)

KlausC
08-14-2008, 08:49 PM
I want to play - just my biased opinion.

Quarterbacks
NE 4
NYJ 3
BUF 2
MIA 2
Tie for last.

Running Backs
MIA 4
BUF 3
NE 2
NYJ 2

Wide Receivers
NE 4
NYJ 3
BUF 2
MIA 1

This is the easiest one to rate.

Tight Ends
NYJ 4
NE 3
BUF 2
MIA 1

Offensive Line
NE 4
BUF 3
NYJ 3
MIA 3

Defensive Line
NE 4
BUF 3
NYJ 2
MIA 2

Linebackers
NYJ 4
NE 3
BUF 3
MIA 2

Secondary
NYJ 4
BUF 3
MIA 2
NE 1

Special Teams
BUF 4
NYJ 3
MIA 2
NE 2

satz
08-14-2008, 08:55 PM
lol
LOL :sidelol: Me bad

Jetsfan0099
08-29-2008, 11:00 AM
Yea the Jets definitely have a better LB core then the Bills. Comparing Paul to Harris?? Harris was dominant last year, and Paul was alright in a few games, but didn't play much that season due to injury.
Calvin Pace is a stud, like it or not, it was a risk to pay him the money, but watching him in training camp and preseason, hes a stud. You'll see, last season wasn't a fluke for Pace.

feelthepain
08-30-2008, 02:16 AM
I can't wait for another season of Bill fan excuses when they figure there just isn't the talent they've convinced themselves there is in Buffalo. Remember all the love Miami would get just a few short seasons ago from the media? At least we would field a top 5 defense and a top 15 offense and be coming off at least a winnig season. Bill fans would tell us the media was nuts....remember? Now all of a sudden the Bills are coming back to back losing seasons with the 31st ranked defense and the 30th ranked offense and a HC that's been in Buffalo for 2 years and is not only a losing HC overall, but is 4 games below 500 as the Bills HC and suddenly the Bills are better then everyone but NE in the division according to their fans. Anyone here wonder how that happened?

I mean, because Miami and NY had bad seasons and the Bills finished second in the divison cause they won 7 whole games, for of which came against the Jets and Dolphins leaving just three other wins against the Bengals, Ravens and Redskins. Not exactly a list of superstar teams. I know I'll get the"yeah, but the Bills were injured BS, but we weren't? The Bills were almsot exclusively injured on the defensive side of the ball. Miami laost starters all over the team and not second year players who've yet to prove their worth or rokkies who have played in a handful of games. Miami lost players that had probowl resume's and were verteran starters like Zach, Ronnie, Trent, Yeremiah and Chris Chambers.

But the Bills get this magical exception cause they lost players like Yuboty and Posluzny, players that have done nothing in the NFL. Seriously Bill fans come here and try to pass off this illusion of their greatness and that team helthy, unhealthy, have not done a damn thing in 9 years. The last time they were just 1 game above 500. MM was their HC. I just love how some fans can walk around thinking their team is this talented team that's better then other teams in the division that not only have upgraded nearly every coaching position but, got rid of players that were aging or had no heart. Look at the upgrades the Dolphins and Jets have made then look what the Bills did thids off season. Miami and the Jets....BY FAR made a lot more changes to their roster then the Bills. And look at how Bill fans rank the QB position, Trent Edwards is better then Chad Pennington? On what planet, cause it aint this one, get that weak **** out of here, come tell me how great your Bills team is when they actually prove it and not by finishing second in the division with a losing record.

Crisis
08-30-2008, 05:06 AM
i hear the same thing every year from FTP. nowhere to be found in the regular season when his useless yardage stats mean nothing and the bills destroy miami again. what is it 6-1 in the last 7 with the only miami win being the fluke comeback game?

tell me how great miami is for winning one game (in overtime) over a whole YEAR. when miami gets destroyed by buffalo (again), you'll go back into your hole until the offseason and then you'll talk next year about how miami was better even though they lost both games because their offense is ranked 2 spots higher in yardage stats than buffalo.

dwell on your yardage stats, they mean nothing when the games played.

Crisis
08-30-2008, 05:13 AM
I can't wait for another season of Bill fan excuses when they figure there just isn't the talent they've convinced themselves there is in Buffalo. Remember all the love Miami would get just a few short seasons ago from the media? At least we would field a top 5 defense and a top 15 offense and be coming off at least a winnig season. Bill fans would tell us the media was nuts....remember? Now all of a sudden the Bills are coming back to back losing seasons with the 31st ranked defense and the 30th ranked offense and a HC that's been in Buffalo for 2 years and is not only a losing HC overall, but is 4 games below 500 as the Bills HC and suddenly the Bills are better then everyone but NE in the division according to their fans. Anyone here wonder how that happened?

I mean, because Miami and NY had bad seasons and the Bills finished second in the divison cause they won 7 whole games, for of which came against the Jets and Dolphins leaving just three other wins against the Bengals, Ravens and Redskins. Not exactly a list of superstar teams. I know I'll get the"yeah, but the Bills were injured BS, but we weren't? The Bills were almsot exclusively injured on the defensive side of the ball. Miami laost starters all over the team and not second year players who've yet to prove their worth or rokkies who have played in a handful of games. Miami lost players that had probowl resume's and were verteran starters like Zach, Ronnie, Trent, Yeremiah and Chris Chambers.

But the Bills get this magical exception cause they lost players like Yuboty and Posluzny, players that have done nothing in the NFL. Seriously Bill fans come here and try to pass off this illusion of their greatness and that team helthy, unhealthy, have not done a damn thing in 9 years. The last time they were just 1 game above 500. MM was their HC. I just love how some fans can walk around thinking their team is this talented team that's better then other teams in the division that not only have upgraded nearly every coaching position but, got rid of players that were aging or had no heart. Look at the upgrades the Dolphins and Jets have made then look what the Bills did thids off season. Miami and the Jets....BY FAR made a lot more changes to their roster then the Bills. And look at how Bill fans rank the QB position, Trent Edwards is better then Chad Pennington? On what planet, cause it aint this one, get that weak **** out of here, come tell me how great your Bills team is when they actually prove it and not by finishing second in the division with a losing record.






I guess anytime the Bills add or lose a player it's always a guarantee it's an instant improvement before they even play a down. Sure!!!





way to contradict yourself there buddy

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showpost.php?p=1984954&postcount=14

Crisis
08-30-2008, 05:15 AM
How do you consider the Bills 28th overall Offense with no key injuries, better then Miami's 20th overall offense, with their backup QB who was with the team all of 6 months and had very few snaps with the first team in camp? I mean seriously, you consider the Bills offense better, but Miami gave up less sacks with Oline injuries then a healthy Bills Oline. Miami has a new HC/OC yes, but they also have plenty of experience in the coaching staff with HC experience in Dom Capers.

Cam won't have anything to do with the Defense that will be Doms job so all Cam has to do is what he's been doing for the last few years, coach the offense. You also act as if changing HC is a guarantee a teams will not succeed. I think thats been proven wrong many times over. New HC's and schemes can be very successful in their first year. To be honest I think the reason the Dolphins are better on offense is because the only thing Miami has been missing to succeed on offense has been playcalling. Maimi has been way to conservative over the past 8 years, we have always played things close to the vest and let our Defense win games.

The one year we had Scott Linehan we opened up the offense and we won our last six games. Chris Chambers made the probowl and Miami had some balance. Cam is the same verticle open things up kinda coach. Maimi will stretch the field vertically that will open up the rushing lanes and Miami will have more options. All Miami needs is a top 15 offense to make the playoffs, if we can finish 20th overall with what we had last year there is no reason we can't imporve 5 spots with what we have now.

same song and dance every offseason from you. and you always end up wrong.

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showpost.php?p=2010400&postcount=15

keep comparing meaningless stats, because it means nothing.

feelthepain
08-30-2008, 11:45 AM
same song and dance every offseason from you. and you always end up wrong.

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showpost.php?p=2010400&postcount=15

keep comparing meaningless stats, because it means nothing.


Uh huh, whens the last time the Bills were as good as the Bills fans claim they are now??? You and other Bill fans tell us every year how you're a playoff team, and I'm signing the same ol song and dance? Frikin classic.

djfresh47
08-30-2008, 12:06 PM
way to contradict yourself there buddy

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showpost.php?p=1984954&postcount=14


I think his quote on that site is pretty funny.

Jetsfan0099
08-30-2008, 12:29 PM
I have to agree with FTP with that Bill fans seem to think the world of Youboty and Paul Pozluzney. Even though they haven't played much in the NFL, they think they are great players because of college. Paul isn't the player he use to be, his injuries will take toll, he is average at best now, he will never be this super star MLB that Bill fans seem to think. Youboty isn't that good of a CB either.

SpurzN703
08-30-2008, 12:36 PM
I've done this the past two years and it always good for conversation. Although I'm a Bills fan, I try my best to as unbiased as possible. A lot has changed in this division in the offseason and it appears to once again shaping into the best divisions in football. The rating work like this: 4 points for the best, 3 points for the 2nd best, and so on. So without further ado, here we go:

Quarterbacks
NE 4
NYJ 3
BUF 2
MIA 1

A week ago, this was just Tom Brady and a bunch of nobodies. Obviously, a whole lot has changed. Brady, as much as I hate to say it, is one of the greatest QBs to ever play. The Jets got themselves a HOFer who is coming off a great year. Of course, the previous 2 years, he threw 47 ints. Still, he is by far and away the 2nd best QB.

Now, here's where there will be some arguments. Pennington definitely is an upgrade over what the Fins have. He is a gamer and seems to always make the right decisions. However, I see Edwards a younger version of CP without the injuries. Additionlly in their only head to head meeting, TE outplayed CP. Thus, an emerging (hopefully) Edwards gets the nod over a declining CP by the slightest of margains.

Running Backs
BUF 4
NE 3
MIA 2
NYJ 1

This one is a very tough one because of a lot of uncertainty. Lynch proved to be a very tough runner and when he was injured, Fred Jackson stepped in and played very well. NE under used Maroney last year (not that it matter) and I think Lamont Jordan is a very solid under the radar pickup.

Miami's situation is a very tough one to rate. They very well could have the best backs in the division. But with Ronnie Brown coming back from knee injury and Ricky not really playing in years, their ranking is lowered. Thomas Jones is a decent back who runs hard but is nothing special. Washington is a very good change of pace back but doesn't get enough carries to be a major player.

Wide Receivers
NE 4
NYJ 3
BUF 2
MIA 1

Not even close. Moss and Welker (though overrated) are an awesome duo. Coles and Cotchery are a very solid duo in their own right, bt neither is a gamebreaker. Lee Evans is the 2nd best receiver in the division but he has had little help. Hardy could be a beast but he is still a rookie and has a lot to prove. Miami's receivers are shaky to say the least.

Tight Ends
NE 4
NYJ 3
BUF 2
MIA 1

Worst position by far in the division. Watson is pretty good but still drops a lot of balls. Between Keller, Franks, and Baker, the Jets have some solid players but no real stars (though Keller maybe). Buffalo's TEs are bad but Miami's are worst.

Offensive Line
NE 4
BUF 3
NYJ 2
MIA 1

This group has improved the most in the division. If you have a record setting offense, your oline gets a lot of credit. Miami and the Jets have improved a lot but have yet to play together. Chemistry takes time to develop. That's why I rate Buffalo's ahead of them both. But all 4 teams have the pieces for a very solid units.

Defensive Line
NE 4
BUF 3
NYJ 2
MIA 1

NE has one of the best d-lines in football, though age maybe catching up with them. The Bills have a pro bowler in Schobel; a former pro bowler in Stroud; and run 2 deep at every position. Jenkins, IMO, isn't what he used to be and is playing a new position. But he still is an upgrade though the rest of the d-line is pretty average. Jason Taylor alone drove down Miami's ranking.

Linebackers
NE 4
BUF 3
NYJ 2
MIA 1

This one is really close. NE gets the nod, though they are fading fast. Mayo probably will be a player, but they are very old every where else. Buffalo and NYJ are almost identical. I think Poz and Harris will both have really good careers. However, I like the experience of the Bills other LBs (Mitchell and Crowell) over the potential of the Jets. And I think Pace got paid way too much money when he was a borderline bust for most of his career. And honestly, I don't know much about Miami's LBs except that Crowder was one of the most overrated players ever on this board.

Secondary
NYJ 4
BUF 3
NE 2
MIA 1

Again, another very difficult group to rate. Neither of these groups are that impressive but there is a lot of potential. Buffalo and the Jets are basically even but I give the Jets the edge because I think Rhodes is the best d back in the division. The bills have a very young group that has a lot of potential. Samuel was a huge loss and Harrison is a year older. Jason Allen doesn't look like a total bust anymore.

Special Teams
BUF 4
NYJ 3
MIA 2
NE 1

Buffalo has a good kicker, great punter, and really good returners. The Jets have a good return game and Nugent is a pretty good kicker. Ginn has a lot of potential and Feely is solid. NE can't dominate everywhere haha.

Obviously, this isn't an exact science but these are my final scores:
NE 30
BUF 26
NYJ 23
MIA 11

Again, this is just one man's opinion. The point isn't to bash other team but to make for an entertaining thread. In my opinion, this is how I believe the teams will finish in the division. I welcome any creative feedback and would appreciate filling me on any players you thinking I'm overlooking. I just am so excited that football is finally back. Enjoy the weekend! :hi5:

Cool to hear, I'll just pass on this season and wait until next year to watch. Thanks for the heads up friend! :)

Jetsfan0099
08-30-2008, 12:45 PM
A player to watch this year is rookie CB Dwight Lowery for the Jets, he has looked awesome in preseason and training camp, and is going to start day 1 for us opposite of stud CB Darrelle Revis. Lowery is faster then advertised, and has some great ball skills, he can make some nice plays on the ball, and has great instincts to make INTs.

djfresh47
08-30-2008, 12:50 PM
I have to agree with FTP with that Bill fans seem to think the world of Youboty and Paul Pozluzney. Even though they haven't played much in the NFL, they think they are great players because of college. Paul isn't the player he use to be, his injuries will take toll, he is average at best now, he will never be this super star MLB that Bill fans seem to think. Youboty isn't that good of a CB either.


Youboty is in danger of being cut. Though how can anyone make a decision on Posluzny? He's barely played. The Bills put him on IR last season eventhough he was fully recovered before the end of the season. If David Harris broke his arm i'm sure Jets fans wouldn't say "his best days are behind him." If Jake Long stubs his toe i'm not going to say he's washed up. Bills fans probably are premature in their assessment of Posluzny. Though I don't know how many 23 year old NFL players with 3 games of experience best days are behind them.

feelthepain
08-30-2008, 01:20 PM
Youboty is in danger of being cut. Though how can anyone make a decision on Posluzny? He's barely played. The Bills put him on IR last season eventhough he was fully recovered before the end of the season. If David Harris broke his arm i'm sure Jets fans wouldn't say "his best days are behind him." If Jake Long stubs his toe i'm not going to say he's washed up. Bills fans probably are premature in their assessment of Posluzny. Though I don't know how many 23 year old NFL players with 3 games of experience best days are behind them.

This is my point about Bills fans opinions of their talent. Most of the injuries they had to their defense last year were to young inexperienced players and those that were "veteran" players were hardly superstars. But every time a Bill fan speaks of last year and what the Bills will be this year they tell everyone that will listen that they were the most injured team in the league. Well who cares? What did you lose to injury? Tom Brady, Shawne Merriman, LT, Steve Smith??

No, but listening to Bill fans the injured players matter, but lets not discuss what they've done in the NFL...we just want credit for the injuries, we can ignore the fact the lost players were replaced by players with the same NFL experience.

Bill fans LOVE to tell us how they swept a 1-15 Dolphin team, but say nothing about playing the Dolphins twice last year and Ronnine Brown, Chris Chambers, Trent Green, Yeremiah Bell, Zach Thomas and nearly the entire starting secondary was NOT in either game they played against the Bills. Talk about injuries, I'd say Miami BY FAR had the more significant injuries during those two games. Do Bill fans give us credit for losing that amount of talent in both games? No, but we need to GIVE them credit for their LOSES! And here are Bill fans telling us how superior they are to us cause they swept us. Reality check.....PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

Now we are going into a new season and the Bill fans are all full of themselves and their team because they finished the 07 season second in the division, with a losing record mind you, but another FACT that gets ignored cause they don't want to talk reality, they simply want everyone to respect a team that finished statistically last in the division scored the least amount of points in the league despite having a basically healthy offense. Sorry, there is way more negative about the 07 Bills then there is positive, WAYYYY MORE! I'll respect the Bills when they earn it, till then they simply suck.

Jetsfan0099
08-30-2008, 01:30 PM
Youboty is in danger of being cut. Though how can anyone make a decision on Posluzny? He's barely played. The Bills put him on IR last season eventhough he was fully recovered before the end of the season. If David Harris broke his arm i'm sure Jets fans wouldn't say "his best days are behind him." If Jake Long stubs his toe i'm not going to say he's washed up. Bills fans probably are premature in their assessment of Posluzny. Though I don't know how many 23 year old NFL players with 3 games of experience best days are behind them.
Paul was never the same after a major knee injury he had in college. Thats what I was talking about, he was billed up to be a great LB, then he tore his knee up and didn't do as well his SR year, Dan Connor out played him!

djfresh47
08-30-2008, 03:08 PM
This is my point about Bills fans opinions of their talent. Most of the injuries they had to their defense last year were to young inexperienced players and those that were "veteran" players were hardly superstars. But every time a Bill fan speaks of last year and what the Bills will be this year they tell everyone that will listen that they were the most injured team in the league. Well who cares? What did you lose to injury? Tom Brady, Shawne Merriman, LT, Steve Smith??

No, but listening to Bill fans the injured players matter, but lets not discuss what they've done in the NFL...we just want credit for the injuries, we can ignore the fact the lost players were replaced by players with the same NFL experience.

Bill fans LOVE to tell us how they swept a 1-15 Dolphin team, but say nothing about playing the Dolphins twice last year and Ronnine Brown, Chris Chambers, Trent Green, Yeremiah Bell, Zach Thomas and nearly the entire starting secondary was NOT in either game they played against the Bills. Talk about injuries, I'd say Miami BY FAR had the more significant injuries during those two games. Do Bill fans give us credit for losing that amount of talent in both games? No, but we need to GIVE them credit for their LOSES! And here are Bill fans telling us how superior they are to us cause they swept us. Reality check.....PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

Now we are going into a new season and the Bill fans are all full of themselves and their team because they finished the 07 season second in the division, with a losing record mind you, but another FACT that gets ignored cause they don't want to talk reality, they simply want everyone to respect a team that finished statistically last in the division scored the least amount of points in the league despite having a basically healthy offense. Sorry, there is way more negative about the 07 Bills then there is positive, WAYYYY MORE! I'll respect the Bills when they earn it, till then they simply suck.

I think realistically the Jets fans are more over confident for getting a Qb who was average at best 2/3 years. Yeremiah Bell is very good when he's on the field. Problem is we say that every year and every year he gets a major injury. Trent Green is/was a concussion waiting to happen. I'd love to say I didn't expect it but even Jason Taylor last year made a comment about it.

As an outsider i'd say you make some valid points but I don't think it was a negative season last year for the Bills. They were in contention with a rookie Qb and a young team. Stats lie. If the Dolphins finished 32nd in offense and 32nd in defense but were 7-9 and the Bills finished top 5 in both categories yet were 1-15 i'd say the Dolphins were a vastly superior team.

djfresh47
08-30-2008, 03:12 PM
Paul was never the same after a major knee injury he had in college. Thats what I was talking about, he was billed up to be a great LB, then he tore his knee up and didn't do as well his SR year, Dan Connor out played him!

I think both were very good linebackers. The major injury you talk about I believe didn't require surgery. Connor ended up breaking the tackle record that Posluzny set. It's not like he's a 30 year old linebacker or he had a Merriman type injury.

feelthepain
08-30-2008, 05:20 PM
I think realistically the Jets fans are more over confident for getting a Qb who was average at best 2/3 years. Yeremiah Bell is very good when he's on the field. Problem is we say that every year and every year he gets a major injury. Trent Green is/was a concussion waiting to happen. I'd love to say I didn't expect it but even Jason Taylor last year made a comment about it.

As an outsider i'd say you make some valid points but I don't think it was a negative season last year for the Bills. They were in contention with a rookie Qb and a young team. Stats lie. If the Dolphins finished 32nd in offense and 32nd in defense but were 7-9 and the Bills finished top 5 in both categories yet were 1-15 i'd say the Dolphins were a vastly superior team.

The only two things that didn't prove negative for the Bills last year was more wins then the Jets and Dolphins and finishing second in the division. Neither of which was a positive in the sense that they earned the two things out right. Maimi had to go 1-15 and the Jets 4-12 for the Bills to finish second in the division. The Bills also had the worst scoring offense in the division and the league and they had the worst defense overall staistically in the division and nearly the league. You can't simply ignore those facts and say "Yeah, but they finished second in the division".

Had the Dolphins and Jets both been 9-7 and the Bills finished 10-6 and swept both teams to finish second then Yes, obviously that would have been an accomplishment that ahows they had to battle good teams to finish second, which is proof of imporvement. But they didn't. You can't simply ignore all the negative that was the Bills in 07 season and think that 7-9 with the stats they produced is the catalyst for this year and a playoff run.

djfresh47
08-30-2008, 09:11 PM
The only two things that didn't prove negative for the Bills last year was more wins then the Jets and Dolphins and finishing second in the division. Neither of which was a positive in the sense that they earned the two things out right. Maimi had to go 1-15 and the Jets 4-12 for the Bills to finish second in the division. The Bills also had the worst scoring offense in the division and the league and they had the worst defense overall staistically in the division and nearly the league. You can't simply ignore those facts and say "Yeah, but they finished second in the division".

Had the Dolphins and Jets both been 9-7 and the Bills finished 10-6 and swept both teams to finish second then Yes, obviously that would have been an accomplishment that ahows they had to battle good teams to finish second, which is proof of imporvement. But they didn't. You can't simply ignore all the negative that was the Bills in 07 season and think that 7-9 with the stats they produced is the catalyst for this year and a playoff run.

The Bills statistically had a better rushing attack than the Colts. Do I think the Bills rushing attack was better than the Colts? Obviously no, though because the stats say it under your thinking it would be true. If we look at numbers the Bills should've been 0-16. The Dolphins and Jets should've been much better teams than the Bills. Though the fact is they weren't. The only team of note they did defeat was the Redskins last season. Really weren't even competitive vs the top teams in the AFC. Though if they're as bad as the stats tell us they were then how'd they even win 7 games? Really they were in the playoff chase til Week 15 when the stats tell us they should've been done before kickoff week one.

feelthepain
08-30-2008, 11:09 PM
The Bills statistically had a better rushing attack than the Colts. Do I think the Bills rushing attack was better than the Colts? Obviously no, though because the stats say it under your thinking it would be true.

First of all you take one of the most pass happy teams in the league and try to use them to stress your point, not a good example. Don't try to make more out of the fact then is there, this isn't about one statistic, it about everything combined. You'll find obvuious weaknesses in every team. That doesn't mean they fit in the same category.



If we look at numbers the Bills should've been 0-16. The Dolphins and Jets should've been much better teams than the Bills. Though the fact is they weren't.


Is it not possible that the ball just bounced the Bills way? I mean Miami lost 6 games by 3 points or less last year, obviously those games could have been won, but they weren't. Lets look at the Giants, they won 10 games last year, but go into the playoffs and kncok off three teams on the road on their way to a SB victory.

At the start of the playoffs no one would have given the Giants a snowballs chance in hell of beating the Cowboys, Packers and Pats in three consecutive games, but they did. Sometimes in sports things just go your way, you mkae plays and win games and sometimes you can't do anything right and things don't go your way, it's just the way the game goes. I could see you giving the Bills credit if there were a few wins against the better teams in the league, but I think hen you combine their 30th ranked offense, 31st ranked defense and the lowest scoring offense in the league in 07, that say's a lot about the teams they couldn't beat. It's not coincidence that the Bills had those statistics and couldn't win against the better teams in the league. One has everything to do with the other.



Really they were in the playoff chase til Week 15 when the stats tell us they should've been done before kickoff week one.


If you choose to believe in any way the Bills were ever in the playoff race that's your choice, but I don't believe for one minute the Bills were ever close. Sorry, I'm not like you to play the politically correct card with every conversation. I'd rather just lay things out there and forget the games. I refuse to give credit to a team that hasn't earned it, maybe you do, but I don't.

It's like what Marvin Lewis said today, I believe what my eye's see, not what my ear's hear. Show me, don't tell me.

djfresh47
08-31-2008, 04:01 PM
First of all you take one of the most pass happy teams in the league and try to use them to stress your point, not a good example. Don't try to make more out of the fact then is there, this isn't about one statistic, it about everything combined. You'll find obvuious weaknesses in every team. That doesn't mean they fit in the same category.



Is it not possible that the ball just bounced the Bills way? I mean Miami lost 6 games by 3 points or less last year, obviously those games could have been won, but they weren't. Lets look at the Giants, they won 10 games last year, but go into the playoffs and kncok off three teams on the road on their way to a SB victory.

At the start of the playoffs no one would have given the Giants a snowballs chance in hell of beating the Cowboys, Packers and Pats in three consecutive games, but they did. Sometimes in sports things just go your way, you mkae plays and win games and sometimes you can't do anything right and things don't go your way, it's just the way the game goes. I could see you giving the Bills credit if there were a few wins against the better teams in the league, but I think hen you combine their 30th ranked offense, 31st ranked defense and the lowest scoring offense in the league in 07, that say's a lot about the teams they couldn't beat. It's not coincidence that the Bills had those statistics and couldn't win against the better teams in the league. One has everything to do with the other.



If you choose to believe in any way the Bills were ever in the playoff race that's your choice, but I don't believe for one minute the Bills were ever close. Sorry, I'm not like you to play the politically correct card with every conversation. I'd rather just lay things out there and forget the games. I refuse to give credit to a team that hasn't earned it, maybe you do, but I don't.

It's like what Marvin Lewis said today, I believe what my eye's see, not what my ear's hear. Show me, don't tell me.


They were something like 7-6 heading into Cleveland a game or so out of the race. I'm not playing the politically correct call but i'm not playing the blinded homer Dolphin fan card, which you seem to do.

feelthepain
08-31-2008, 06:07 PM
They were something like 7-6 heading into Cleveland a game or so out of the race. I'm not playing the politically correct call but i'm not playing the blinded homer Dolphin fan card, which you seem to do.


I don't consider a team that's under 500 with just one win against a team with a winning record and nearly the last ranked offense and defense a playoff team, Sorry just doesn't add up. Add to that the fact that they lost their last three, pretty much proves my point. So how is that being a blinded homer? You're truly funny, I just love how you look at the facts.

"Uh, yeah they were nearly last in offensive and defensive rankings and 7-9...the last two years, and yeah, they had the lowest scoring offense in the lague and yes, their HC has a losing record, and yeas they only had one win against a team that finished the season over 500....but you're a blind homer if you don't think the Bills were on the cusp of a playoff team"!!

Tell you what, since I'm a "blinded homer" I'll ask you the same question I asked Bill fans, this should be fun.

Whens the last time any team, in any sport, finished a season nearly last on offensive and defeinve stats, but was a good team. Just one? Remember, I'm simply looking for a GOOD team, not a great team, not a terrific team, just a good team, say... a wildcard team perhaps.

I'm 100% confident you won't find one unless it's some obscure stat that a strike shortened season or league with just 10 teams in it pretty much ensuring everyone makes the playoffs, other then that, you won't find one. But I'm a blinded homer.

Funny stuff, seriously.

djfresh47
08-31-2008, 06:28 PM
I don't consider a team that's under 500 with just one win against a team with a winning record and nearly the last ranked offense and defense a playoff team, Sorry just doesn't add up. Add to that the fact that they lost their last three, pretty much proves my point. So how is that being a blinded homer? You're truly funny, I just love how you look at the facts.

"Uh, yeah they were nearly last in offensive and defensive rankings and 7-9...the last two years, and yeah, they had the lowest scoring offense in the lague and yes, their HC has a losing record, and yeas they only had one win against a team that finished the season over 500....but you're a blind homer if you don't think the Bills were on the cusp of a playoff team"!!

Tell you what, since I'm a "blinded homer" I'll ask you the same question I asked Bill fans, this should be fun.

Whens the last time any team, in any sport, finished a season nearly last on offensive and defeinve stats, but was a good team. Just one? Remember, I'm simply looking for a GOOD team, not a great team, not a terrific team, just a good team, say... a wildcard team perhaps.

I'm 100% confident you won't find one unless it's some obscure stat that a strike shortened season or league with just 10 teams in it pretty much ensuring everyone makes the playoffs, other then that, you won't find one. But I'm a blinded homer.

Funny stuff, seriously.

While you look at stats i'll look at overall record? 7-9 is below average. Though that's not a bad team. 4-12 is a bad team, 1-15 is a minor league team. It may have been last year that the Diamondbacks were out-scored yet we're a playoff team. You can point to where their offense and defense rank and say they're the worst team in NFL history. Though the record shows otherwise. Which you responded they got lucky. I posted the "fact," that the Bills statistically had a better rushing attack which is using your ideology, because they finished higher statistically. Now according to your facts a 1-15 team was better than a 7-9 team because statistically they had a better offense and defense. A 4-12 team was better than a 7-9 team because they had a better offense and defense. The San Diego Chargers were not ranked in the top 6 in either offense or defense in the AFC, so thus they're not a playoff caliber team.

You look at offensive and defensive rankings and i'll look at record.

feelthepain
08-31-2008, 06:44 PM
You look at offensive and defensive rankings and i'll look at record.

It's not one or the other, the Bills had the worst statistics and were below 500. There is far more to it then just one thing.

Brassmonki14120
09-01-2008, 11:00 AM
It's not one or the other, the Bills had the worst statistics and were below 500. There is far more to it then just one thing.

The bad stats still got the Bills 7 times as many wins as the fins last season.

I'm can't believe you keep playing mr statistic and you always overlook that 1-15 was the worst stat in the league last year.

At the end of the season the only stat that really matters is in the win/loss column.

At the end of this season the Bills may be ok at 8-8 or 9-7 but the fish will suck at a 3-13 0r 4-12.

feelthepain
09-01-2008, 11:33 AM
The bad stats still got the Bills 7 times as many wins as the fins last season.

I'm can't believe you keep playing mr statistic and you always overlook that 1-15 was the worst stat in the league last year.

At the end of the season the only stat that really matters is in the win/loss column.

At the end of this season the Bills may be ok at 8-8 or 9-7 but the fish will suck at a 3-13 0r 4-12.




The Bills were a bad team no matter what the fins did. You get upset that I point out the Bills were worse then a 1-15 Dolphin team in several aspectsd of their game last year, why? Is what I'm saying not true? Am I making up numbers? Am I lying? No, no and no. This is a Dolphin site, if you don't like too bad. You act like because the Bills won 7 games they are above criticism, I don't think so.

Brassmonki14120
09-01-2008, 03:03 PM
The Bills were a bad team no matter what the fins did. You get upset that I point out the Bills were worse then a 1-15 Dolphin team in several aspectsd of their game last year, why? Is what I'm saying not true? Am I making up numbers? Am I lying? No, no and no. This is a Dolphin site, if you don't like too bad. You act like because the Bills won 7 games they are above criticism, I don't think so.

You keep quoting stats trying to drag another team down to the fish's level. Trying to make it seem as though Miami were a better team or equal to ANY team in the league is laughable. No-one last year was nearly as bad as the fish.

You dog Stroud talking about injury and being a shell of his former self while the fish are starting guys who missed the bulk of last season, the season before or both. How many fish starters have publicly spoken of retiring in the past few seasons?

BP has put together a rag tag group of players and inheritted the fish's previous mistakes from previous coaches who had no real business being head coach for any team in the league.

To be perfectly honest over the past few seasons I've read how great the fish are and how bad the Bills are from posters like you. As the season wears on I can't tell you how much I enjoy seeing how fish fan's optimism gives way to doubt and then dispair as the fans start playing the blame game.

How many weeks before fans start posting how Henne should start? How long before finheaven is split down the middle again? How long, Lord help us, before you call for John Beck to start?

I wont say that Buffalo is better than any other team in the league except the fish. The Bills will have a better Offense, Defense, Special Teams and a better overall record than the fish this season.

djfresh47
09-01-2008, 03:15 PM
To be honest I don't believe the Bills are getting the over-hyped. If anything it's the Jets who are getting all the attention because they've got Espn/Madden's wet dream in Favre. I was watching a preview of Jets/Phins on SNY and Ray Lucas can not only not play Qb he's the worst NFL analyst in the business. He makes Shannon Sharpe and Lou Holtz seem well spoken.

Nothing would make me happier than seeing Brett Favre go through a 4-12 season and another 20+pick year. An opening loss to the Phins with Favre being the guy of 05 & 06 and I think the Jets could be the team that are like some of the Dolphins teams that failed.

feelthepain
09-01-2008, 04:02 PM
You keep quoting stats trying to drag another team down to the fish's level. Trying to make it seem as though Miami were a better team or equal to ANY team in the league is laughable. No-one last year was nearly as bad as the fish.

Get over your disrespect for the Dolphins, we weren't as bad as the record indicated last year. Iknow you don't want to believe that, and I really don't care, but we were in half the games we played last year, so spare me this Dolphins are the least talented team in the league crap, cause it just isn't true.



You dog Stroud talking about injury and being a shell of his former self while the fish are starting guys who missed the bulk of last season, the season before or both. How many fish starters have publicly spoken of retiring in the past few seasons?

Stroud was also suspended for drugs (specifically) steroids. He took them to help him heal faster. He's a big boy woth little legs. He will not be the force you expect, he was playing on one of the best D's in the league, he now goes to the Bills who, If I'm not mistaken have finished 31st the last two seasons on D. But you act like he's jumping in the middle of a top 5 defense. I never Stroud WOULDN'T play well, just that he is a question mark till he does, just like everything else in the Bills organization.


BP has put together a rag tag group of players and inheritted the fish's previous mistakes from previous coaches who had no real business being head coach for any team in the league.


Well, you always have hope.


To be perfectly honest over the past few seasons I've read how great the fish are and how bad the Bills are from posters like you. As the season wears on I can't tell you how much I enjoy seeing how fish fan's optimism gives way to doubt and then dispair as the fans start playing the blame game.

As do we watching the Bill fans question their front office decision by week three every season. Remember, 7-9 is a losing season just like 1-15 is a losing season. A losing season, is a losing season, is a losing season!! Over the last decade the Bills have seen more of them then the Dolphins not to mention in the two franchises histories. So please stop acting like your team has risen above anyone else.


How many weeks before fans start posting how Henne should start? How long before finheaven is split down the middle again? How long, Lord help us, before you call for John Beck to start?

Chad Pennington has a lot more history of posting good numbers then Trent Edwards so shouldn't you be worring about your own QB situation? Trent has hardly proven anything in 10 whole games as an NFL QB.



I wont say that Buffalo is better than any other team in the league except the fish. The Bills will have a better Offense, Defense, Special Teams and a better overall record than the fish this season.

Again, that's your opinion and you're welcome to it.

Dors156
09-01-2008, 09:19 PM
Offensive side of the ball first


Quarterbacks
NE 4
NYJ 3
Buff 2
Miami 2

Tom Brady obviously takes the top spot. Farve comes in second and we will see who becomes the top QB in the division this year. Farve has good targets, good line, and also a good RB. Good situation for him. Buffalo has Edwards, who did well as a rookie last year. Losman is a decent backup also. Edwards has little injury concern throughout the preseason but shouldnt affect him during the year. Miami signed Pennington who looked impressive in his 2 real debuts. Henne impressed as a rookie and looks to be the future.

Runningbacks

Miami 3
Buff 3
NE 2
NYJ 2

If Ronnie was never recovering from such a serious injury and Ricky plays like he has been this preseason, this RB duo would be some of the top of the league. I gave them a 3 however, due to Ronnies injury.Marshawn Lynch is an excellent back that really proved me wrong coming out of the draft. Marooney Ive never been a fan of. He is a big power back, but have not been heavily impressed by him as ESPN scouts have (wonder why that is). Thomas Jones was considered a big signing but did not produce as well as he was expected to last year. He will breakout this year IMO. Leon Washington is somebody I find as a big time threat.

Wide Recievers

NE 4
NYJ 3
BUFF 3
Miami 2

Moss and Welker almost enough said. Jets have cotchery and coles and they will just get better due to the prescence of Farve. Buff gets a 3 out of me not only because of Lee Evans but mainly because I am high on Hardy. I do think he has Rookie of the year potential if Edwards gets him the ball. Size and Speed is what he possesses, looks like Moss rookie year. Ginn is the only threat Miami has. He will have a breakout year. Hagan or Wilford need to step up and become a good 2.

Tight Ends

IMO, not worth writing for. No real stars at this position. Watson is the best but he is no star.

Offensive Line

NE 4
Buff 3
Miami 3
NYJ 3

New England keeps Brady in the pocket upright and that is why he is what he is. Alot more credit of his success should go to his friends up front. Buffalo did very well blocking for two rookies behind center in Edwards and Lynch. Miami rebuilt the line and drafted Long. One of the stronger pieces to this franchise. NY got Faneca and Mangold along Ferguson still stand great there.

I'm done writing for the night. Slightly biased toward Miami I will admit but tried not to be full biased. Hard to do when your a fan. Overall, the division offense shines with good young talent. Should be a fun year to watch.

SebasMiamiFan
09-01-2008, 09:21 PM
2008
Patriots (For now)
Bills (MAYBE)
Jets- Dolphins (I think they're pretty equal)

2009
Fins-Jets (Same)
Patriots (Dethroned)
Bills (Good record, just last)

The Jets and the Dolphins are new teams that are hungry for some wins. Bill fans cannot doubt these teams no more. You guys won 2nd place because the Fins and the Jets sucked last year. That's it. The Patriots shut you out as usual. You were also ranked very poorly on offense and defense. Had the Fins had less injuries and a good coaching staff, they would've been in 2nd place at 7-9. They lost 7 games by 3 points, so they were competitive. Parcells has changed every team in the AFC East, except the Bills. You guys are next :d-day:

Brassmonki14120
09-01-2008, 09:33 PM
So you say the fish are better than their record indicates but the Bills are right on their record? You don't see any bias in that opinion?

The fish were 1-15 and the clown show of the league. No one outside of Miami wanted the fish to even win that 1 game.

From passing on Quinn to grab the Ginn family and John Beck being on the ground in the fetal position to the Miami sideline cheering like they had just won the superbowl when they finally beat someone in their one and only win of the season. It was all just a long running joke. The fish got no respect from anybody last season.

Even if the fish were better than their record then they were what 2-14 or 3-13? WOHOO!

Say what you want about the Bills, they weren't the last in the entire league last season.

SebasMiamiFan
09-01-2008, 09:43 PM
So you say the fish are better than their record indicates but the Bills are right on their record? You don't see any bias in that opinion?

The fish were 1-15 and the clown show of the league. No one outside of Miami wanted the fish to even win that 1 game.

From passing on Quinn to grab the Ginn family and John Beck being on the ground in the fetal position to the Miami sideline cheering like they had just won the superbowl when they finally beat someone in their one and only win of the season. It was all just a long running joke. The fish got no respect from anybody last season.

Even if the fish were better than their record then they were what 2-14 or 3-13? WOHOO!

Say what you want about the Bills, they weren't the last in the entire league last season.
3-13!? 4-12!?

NFL even says do not underestimate us as we are a 6 win or more team. They also said the future looks very bright for Miami. The Bills are going to be 8-8 or 7-9 for a while. The Jets and the Fins are beginning to look amazing this year and the Pats are falling apart. By the next decade, the Fins, Jets, and the Pats are going to compete for 1st place.

Brassmonki14120
09-01-2008, 09:46 PM
3-13!? 4-12!?

NFL even says do not underestimate us as we are a 6 win or more team. They also said the future looks very bright for Miami. The Bills are going to be 8-8 or 7-9 for a while. The Jets and the Fins are beginning to look amazing this year and the Pats are falling apart. By the next decade, the Fins, Jets, and the Pats are going to compete for 1st place.

What's amazing?

Finfang
09-01-2008, 10:00 PM
So you say the fish are better than their record indicates but the Bills are right on their record? You don't see any bias in that opinion?

The fish were 1-15 and the clown show of the league. No one outside of Miami wanted the fish to even win that 1 game.

From passing on Quinn to grab the Ginn family and John Beck being on the ground in the fetal position to the Miami sideline cheering like they had just won the superbowl when they finally beat someone in their one and only win of the season. It was all just a long running joke. The fish got no respect from anybody last season.

Even if the fish were better than their record then they were what 2-14 or 3-13? WOHOO!

Say what you want about the Bills, they weren't the last in the entire league last season.

Yeah yeah we all know bash the Dolphins. Let's see where we are in two years eh? Things will be turning around quickly.

In all fairness the Bills are a team I'm not really looking forward to playing. You added a weapon on O with Hardy and you have a good young QB to build on. Can he get the ball to Evans? Will the OL step up? Defense?

I despise the Bills on a daily basis but if everything falls into place you might and I say might sniff the playoffs. Nothing personal I hope it falls through for ya' but I'm worried about matching up against the Bills.

The Jets not so much! :lol:

SebasMiamiFan
09-01-2008, 10:08 PM
What's amazing?
The Jets and the Fins are getting good fast. The Bills are good too. I never said they sucked. However, the future looks the brightest for the Fins out of the 4 teams because of the success they've had in preseason and Bill Parcells being in charge.

djfresh47
09-01-2008, 10:39 PM
The Jets and the Fins are getting good fast. The Bills are good too. I never said they sucked. However, the future looks the brightest for the Fins out of the 4 teams because of the success they've had in preseason and Bill Parcells being in charge.

I like that Parcells has a track record but I don't buy into preseason success. I'm still not buying the Jets and how they're going to get good really quick. Really this is make or break year. I don't like Thomas Jones as a RB and Favre was average at best 2/3 seasons. To think it'll be the Favre of last year I think is unrealistic.

SebasMiamiFan
09-01-2008, 10:54 PM
I like that Parcells has a track record but I don't buy into preseason success. I'm still not buying the Jets and how they're going to get good really quick. Really this is make or break year. I don't like Thomas Jones as a RB and Favre was average at best 2/3 seasons. To think it'll be the Favre of last year I think is unrealistic.
You need to have more faith in your team. You make it like you don't want the Fins to be good. The Jets are going to be good for a little while, but I agree with you on Farve. He's not going to be as good as last year, but he's not going to be horrible. I just see a lot of improvement with all 3 teams , but I think the Fins and the Jets have more to prove.

djfresh47
09-01-2008, 11:08 PM
You need to have more faith in your team. You make it like you don't want the Fins to be good. The Jets are going to be good for a little while, but I agree with you on Farve. He's not going to be as good as last year, but he's not going to be horrible. I just see a lot of improvement with all 3 teams , but I think the Fins and the Jets have more to prove.

I'm not going to say something that I don't believe is true. The Dolphins have as much to prove as any team in the league. Go 1-15 and that happens. The Jets made some big moves in the offseason. Though they wouldn't of made the Favre move if they had any faith in Clemens. So they're going to be shopping for another Qb in the offseason to either groom or be the starter next season.

I want the team to not suck. Though it's been like 4 coaches in 4 years. Parcells gives me some confidence I think Pennington will help sustain drives. Though I still don't think he's a very good Qb. The best option for the Phins though. Really nobody thought he was very good while he was with the Jets.

If the Dolphins win 6 games i'll be happy. Win 7 and i'll be ecstatic. Though I think the Bills are further ahead but may fall back because of coaching. Sparano is an unknown though it's a Parcells team. So I expect the Dolphins to get better. Though I don't think they're leap-frogging other Afc East teams.

feelthepain
09-01-2008, 11:19 PM
What's amazing?

I guess everyone should just give the Bills credit not because they deserve it, but to stop you from crying.

It can't be said enough, think whatever you like you're entitled to your opinion. But you are telling us we have no reason to think we can compete in the division based on a 1-15 season, but the Bills have every reason to be hopeful of the playoffs and a division title because the Bills were 7-9. So basically no team can turn their season around or improve enough to compete for the division unless they are 7-9 or better.This is your argument...even though there is year, after year, after year of proof teams go from worst to first every year!!!

I don't care if you're 1-15 or 4-12, teams turn around from bad teams to good teams all the time and teams go from SB contenders to last plase all the time. SO GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE, there is a long history of turn arounds to look at and say it's not hard to believe we can do the same.

You don't mind telling us what mistakes we've made in recent years with coaches and players. So it's very possible this year we made the right choice in BP and the coaches BP chose to bring in. After all there is a long history of Success with BP decisions and the teams he's been a part of. We've added 26 new players, we are not the Dolphins team we were last year. I know this is hard for you to comprehend, but you'll just have to accept the fact.

On the other hand your team made what 5 changes, to last years team and still don't know what will happen with Peters? Even healthy the Bills Oline is the weakest in the division. Look who you have out side of Peters, and grossly overpaid Dockery and Walker who's nothing special and Fowler is pathetic. That Oline had the worst statistics in the division last year and nearly the league, the Bills were healthy across the board on offense last year and scored the least amount of points in the entire league. You added one player to that pathetic offense. The Bills did nothing to bolster either line in the draft unless you include a 4th round DE Ellis who is hardly worthy of mention.

So please don't come here and cry about how we feel about our team. I like our Owner, FO and coaches 10 times better then Buffalos. Your team will never rise above anyone else till they get rid of the Owner and entire FO and coaching staff.

Brassmonki14120
09-02-2008, 12:04 PM
I guess everyone should just give the Bills credit not because they deserve it, but to stop you from crying.

It can't be said enough, think whatever you like you're entitled to your opinion. But you are telling us we have no reason to think we can compete in the division based on a 1-15 season, but the Bills have every reason to be hopeful of the playoffs and a division title because the Bills were 7-9. So basically no team can turn their season around or improve enough to compete for the division unless they are 7-9 or better.This is your argument...even though there is year, after year, after year of proof teams go from worst to first every year!!!

I don't care if you're 1-15 or 4-12, teams turn around from bad teams to good teams all the time and teams go from SB contenders to last plase all the time. SO GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE, there is a long history of turn arounds to look at and say it's not hard to believe we can do the same.

You don't mind telling us what mistakes we've made in recent years with coaches and players. So it's very possible this year we made the right choice in BP and the coaches BP chose to bring in. After all there is a long history of Success with BP decisions and the teams he's been a part of. We've added 26 new players, we are not the Dolphins team we were last year. I know this is hard for you to comprehend, but you'll just have to accept the fact.

On the other hand your team made what 5 changes, to last years team and still don't know what will happen with Peters? Even healthy the Bills Oline is the weakest in the division. Look who you have out side of Peters, and grossly overpaid Dockery and Walker who's nothing special and Fowler is pathetic. That Oline had the worst statistics in the division last year and nearly the league, the Bills were healthy across the board on offense last year and scored the least amount of points in the entire league. You added one player to that pathetic offense. The Bills did nothing to bolster either line in the draft unless you include a 4th round DE Ellis who is hardly worthy of mention.

So please don't come here and cry about how we feel about our team. I like our Owner, FO and coaches 10 times better then Buffalos. Your team will never rise above anyone else till they get rid of the Owner and entire FO and coaching staff .

A 1-15 team that hasn't added any playmakers to the team will remain near the bottom of the league.

I used to be that homer fan back in the late 90's. I used to think that the Bills had done enough in the offseason to compete. I used to call for the 10-6 records. I won't make predictions based on homeritis again.

Then I realized that I could still be a fan and be realistic. Honesty doesn't make you a bad fan. You can hate and loath some of the players and still love your team.

Brassmonki14120
09-02-2008, 12:11 PM
So please don't come here and cry about how we feel about our team. I like our Owner, FO and coaches 10 times better then Buffalos. Your team will never rise above anyone else till they get rid of the Owner and entire FO and coaching staff.
The Bills HAVE risen above the fish and are a team on the rise already. Every season I post here I'm being realistic, you on the other hand keep recycling the same opinions from the year before.

djfresh47
09-02-2008, 01:55 PM
Based on a 1-15 season I think a division title is unrealistic. Really I think the only hope for any team for a division title is Brady having his right arm fall off. The Bills have gotten past the easy "hump," in rebuilding which is going from being awful to average. FTP may feel that 7-9 isn't average but I think 7-9 to 9-7 is in the average range. The Bills gotta take the next step to 10-6 or 11-5 to be in the playoff hunt.

The AFC South is the best division in the AFC so I think it'll be tough for 3 teams to be in the playoffs again from that division. Denver IMO is flying under the radar because they're going to get 4 victories by default much like FTP feels the Bills got last season.

feelthepain
09-02-2008, 02:57 PM
The Bills HAVE risen above the fish and are a team on the rise already. Every season I post here I'm being realistic, you on the other hand keep recycling the same opinions from the year before.

Well ONE MORE TIME, it's your oopinion and you're entitled to it, but you'll be looking at the Bills come the end of the season and wondering what happened to this stud team you thought you had.

SpurzN703
09-02-2008, 03:00 PM
The Bills HAVE risen above the fish and are a team on the rise already. Every season I post here I'm being realistic, you on the other hand keep recycling the same opinions from the year before.

Man the Bills have be on the rise for the last 3-4 years according to some of you Bills fans.

djfresh47
09-02-2008, 03:27 PM
Man the Bills have be on the rise for the last 3-4 years according to some of you Bills fans.


Haven't we Dolphins fans said the same thing...

feelthepain
09-02-2008, 03:52 PM
Haven't we Dolphins fans said the same thing...

Maybe, but the last time us Dolphin fans did so, we had at least a top 5 defense and a top 20 offense. Bill fans do so when they have nearly the worst statistics in the league on both sides of the ball, on top of the lowest scoring offense in the league. Quite a difference. But I guess nothing compares to winning 7 games, when you win 7 games you're just as good as the Chargers and Pats, regardless what statistics you produce.:rolleyes2:

djfresh47
09-02-2008, 04:48 PM
Maybe, but the last time us Dolphin fans did so, we had at least a top 5 defense and a top 20 offense. Bill fans do so when they have nearly the worst statistics in the league on both sides of the ball, on top of the lowest scoring offense in the league. Quite a difference. But I guess nothing compares to winning 7 games, when you win 7 games you're just as good as the Chargers and Pats, regardless what statistics you produce.:rolleyes2:

If those teams won 7 games i'd say yes. Your stats say the Dolphins and Jets and Dolphins should've been a much better team than the Bills. Though anybody who watched the games knows Miami was absolutely pathetic last year and the Jets were a step up from that. I believe the Bills were something like +7 just scanning some stats in turnover ratio whil the Dolphins were -7.

I think a 7-9 team is a 7-9 team regardless of where they rank statistically. Just like a 1-15 team is a 1-15 team if they're 1st in offense, defense and every statistical category. To quote Herm "you play to win the game."

feelthepain
09-02-2008, 05:18 PM
Originally Posted by djfresh47 If those teams won 7 games i'd say yes. Your stats say the Dolphins and Jets and Dolphins should've been a much better team than the Bills. Though anybody who watched the games knows Miami was absolutely pathetic last year and the Jets were a step up from that. I believe the Bills were something like +7 just scanning some stats in turnover ratio whil the Dolphins were -7. I think a 7-9 team is a 7-9 team regardless of where they rank statistically. Just like a 1-15 team is a 1-15 team if they're 1st in offense, defense and every statistical category. To quote Herm "you play to win the game.&quotThe Bills were also pathetic, it's why they were the last place team in the league in points scored, 30th in overall offense and 31st in overall defense, their only wins cames against bad teams. If all that matters is wins, then why did the 10-6 Giants beat the 13-3 Cowboys in their house, the 12-4 Packers in their house and the 18-0 Pats in the SB? Obviously wins and loses, don't tell the whole story, do they? Obviously the three teams with the better records didn't beat the team with the worst record. Obviously your theory about wins and loses, has flaws. I asked you this question before and I'll ask it again since I don't remember you answering it. Whens the last time a team finished their season with nearly the worst statistics on offense, defense and dead last in scoring in the same season? But was considered a GOOD TEAM?? Any sport you wish...any? Answer this question, show me where a team has ever produced the numbers the Bills produced and was considered a good team? I'll guarantee you will NEVER find one, NEVER!!!! But you keep on defending the Bills and those 7 wins, cause obviously the whole picture scares you to death.

djfresh47
09-02-2008, 07:25 PM
The Bills were also pathetic, it's why they were the last place team in the league in points scored, 30th in overall offense and 31st in overall defense, their only wins cames against bad teams. If all that matters is wins, then why did the 10-6 Giants beat the 13-3 Cowboys in their house, the 12-4 Packers in their house and the 18-0 Pats in the SB? Obviously wins and loses, don't tell the whole story, do they? Obviously the three teams with the better records didn't beat the team with the worst record. Obviously your theory about wins and loses, has flaws. I asked you this question before and I'll ask it again since I don't remember you answering it. Whens the last time a team finished their season with nearly the worst statistics on offense, defense and dead last in scoring in the same season? But was considered a GOOD TEAM?? Any sport you wish...any? Answer this question, show me where a team has ever produced the numbers the Bills produced and was considered a good team? I'll guarantee you will NEVER find one, NEVER!!!! But you keep on defending the Bills and those 7 wins, cause obviously the whole picture scares you to death.


I brought up the Diamondbacks who were out-scored by there opponents last season. I think a 7-9 team is pretty average. Though I believe most reasonable people would agree that a 7-9 team is either pretty close to average or just below average. I think you're views are jaded because you can't look past being a fan. They did beat a playoff team in the Redskins. The Giants also lost to all three of those teams that were listed. Though 12/32 make the playoffs and I think those are the better teams in the league. Your theory that the Bills got lucky and won 7 games, well couldn't that apply to the Giants? They got lucky and won 4 playoff games just like the Bills got lucky and won 7 games.

The Dolphins are going to be 16-0. Parcells has never made a bad decision, Sparano is god, Ricky Williams is the best running back ever. See I can be like other people on the boards too.

feelthepain
09-02-2008, 09:07 PM
I brought up the Diamondbacks who were out-scored by there opponents last season. I think a 7-9 team is pretty average. Though I believe most reasonable people would agree that a 7-9 team is either pretty close to average or just below average.

You say "most reasonable people" how can they be reasonable when they REFUSE to include everything in the 7-9 nseason? See I can just spew 7-9.....7-9....7-9 and then ask everyone what they think of a ream that's 7-9. But when you also include they were the 30th ranked offense, 31st ranked defense and last in the league in scoring offense, well then 7-9 seems more like a miracle then an avg. season. If you were to take the stats alone and go back to the begining of last season and say "a team will produce these statistic, how many wins do you think they will have". Do you what your answer would be?

Come on be serious, you constanly throughout this entire discussion dismiss the stats and simply claim 7-9 is an avg season, totally ignoring everything else. You can't ignore everything else, cause if you were to play 10 season in a row with the same staistics how many times do you think the team with statistics that bad win 7 games? Once...MAYBE twice???



The Dolphins are going to be 16-0. Parcells has never made a bad decision, Sparano is god, Ricky Williams is the best running back ever. See I can be like other people on the boards too.



So you get that from me saying the Fins aren't worse then the Bills? That's not even worthy a response.

djfresh47
09-02-2008, 09:39 PM
You say "most reasonable people" how can they be reasonable when they REFUSE to include everything in the 7-9 nseason? See I can just spew 7-9.....7-9....7-9 and then ask everyone what they think of a ream that's 7-9. But when you also include they were the 30th ranked offense, 31st ranked defense and last in the league in scoring offense, well then 7-9 seems more like a miracle then an avg. season. If you were to take the stats alone and go back to the begining of last season and say "a team will produce these statistic, how many wins do you think they will have". Do you what your answer would be?

Come on be serious, you constanly throughout this entire discussion dismiss the stats and simply claim 7-9 is an avg season, totally ignoring everything else. You can't ignore everything else, cause if you were to play 10 season in a row with the same staistics how many times do you think the team with statistics that bad win 7 games? Once...MAYBE twice???




So you get that from me saying the Fins aren't worse then the Bills? That's not even worthy a response.


Does it matter what the answer would be? Isn't it the end results that matter? I get your point a team can go 1-15 and be better than a team that beat them twice but produced lesser offensive and defensive statistics.

I think a few years back it may have been the Cardinals or even the Broncos who were pretty awful yet were top 10 in offense and defense yet the end result was a bad record. I go by record you go by offensive and defensive numbers.

Though i'm done with last year. Everybody is 0-0.

BuffaloSoldier2
09-02-2008, 11:40 PM
Paul was never the same after a major knee injury he had in college. Thats what I was talking about, he was billed up to be a great LB, then he tore his knee up and didn't do as well his SR year, Dan Connor out played him!


Dude, he came back from his injury and was named best LB in the nation. Connor slipped into the 3rd round.

I agree Poz has a lot to prove but having a 2nd rounder back at MLB is a big time improvement over an undersized, undrafted 2nd year palyer from a D2 school (John Digiorgio).

BuffaloSoldier2
09-02-2008, 11:42 PM
I can't wait for another season of Bill fan excuses when they figure there just isn't the talent they've convinced themselves there is in Buffalo. Remember all the love Miami would get just a few short seasons ago from the media? At least we would field a top 5 defense and a top 15 offense and be coming off at least a winnig season. Bill fans would tell us the media was nuts....remember? Now all of a sudden the Bills are coming back to back losing seasons with the 31st ranked defense and the 30th ranked offense and a HC that's been in Buffalo for 2 years and is not only a losing HC overall, but is 4 games below 500 as the Bills HC and suddenly the Bills are better then everyone but NE in the division according to their fans. Anyone here wonder how that happened?

I mean, because Miami and NY had bad seasons and the Bills finished second in the divison cause they won 7 whole games, for of which came against the Jets and Dolphins leaving just three other wins against the Bengals, Ravens and Redskins. Not exactly a list of superstar teams. I know I'll get the"yeah, but the Bills were injured BS, but we weren't? The Bills were almsot exclusively injured on the defensive side of the ball. Miami laost starters all over the team and not second year players who've yet to prove their worth or rokkies who have played in a handful of games. Miami lost players that had probowl resume's and were verteran starters like Zach, Ronnie, Trent, Yeremiah and Chris Chambers.

But the Bills get this magical exception cause they lost players like Yuboty and Posluzny, players that have done nothing in the NFL. Seriously Bill fans come here and try to pass off this illusion of their greatness and that team helthy, unhealthy, have not done a damn thing in 9 years. The last time they were just 1 game above 500. MM was their HC. I just love how some fans can walk around thinking their team is this talented team that's better then other teams in the division that not only have upgraded nearly every coaching position but, got rid of players that were aging or had no heart. Look at the upgrades the Dolphins and Jets have made then look what the Bills did thids off season. Miami and the Jets....BY FAR made a lot more changes to their roster then the Bills. And look at how Bill fans rank the QB position, Trent Edwards is better then Chad Pennington? On what planet, cause it aint this one, get that weak **** out of here, come tell me how great your Bills team is when they actually prove it and not by finishing second in the division with a losing record.


Why bothering posting in the thread if you have nothing to say? You just use your same old bills suck everytime. You can't even talk about the subject at hand. Sad and a little weird at the same time how obessed you are with the Bills. Those Marino years must have really sucked for you. :up:

BuffaloSoldier2
09-02-2008, 11:48 PM
Get over your disrespect for the Dolphins, we weren't as bad as the record indicated last year.

Haha. If this isn't the definition of irony, I don't know what is. :lol:

BuffaloSoldier2
09-02-2008, 11:51 PM
Offensive side of the ball first


Quarterbacks
NE 4
NYJ 3
Buff 2
Miami 2

Tom Brady obviously takes the top spot. Farve comes in second and we will see who becomes the top QB in the division this year. Farve has good targets, good line, and also a good RB. Good situation for him. Buffalo has Edwards, who did well as a rookie last year. Losman is a decent backup also. Edwards has little injury concern throughout the preseason but shouldnt affect him during the year. Miami signed Pennington who looked impressive in his 2 real debuts. Henne impressed as a rookie and looks to be the future.

Runningbacks

Miami 3
Buff 3
NE 2
NYJ 2

If Ronnie was never recovering from such a serious injury and Ricky plays like he has been this preseason, this RB duo would be some of the top of the league. I gave them a 3 however, due to Ronnies injury.Marshawn Lynch is an excellent back that really proved me wrong coming out of the draft. Marooney Ive never been a fan of. He is a big power back, but have not been heavily impressed by him as ESPN scouts have (wonder why that is). Thomas Jones was considered a big signing but did not produce as well as he was expected to last year. He will breakout this year IMO. Leon Washington is somebody I find as a big time threat.

Wide Recievers

NE 4
NYJ 3
BUFF 3
Miami 2

Moss and Welker almost enough said. Jets have cotchery and coles and they will just get better due to the prescence of Farve. Buff gets a 3 out of me not only because of Lee Evans but mainly because I am high on Hardy. I do think he has Rookie of the year potential if Edwards gets him the ball. Size and Speed is what he possesses, looks like Moss rookie year. Ginn is the only threat Miami has. He will have a breakout year. Hagan or Wilford need to step up and become a good 2.

Tight Ends

IMO, not worth writing for. No real stars at this position. Watson is the best but he is no star.

Offensive Line

NE 4
Buff 3
Miami 3
NYJ 3

New England keeps Brady in the pocket upright and that is why he is what he is. Alot more credit of his success should go to his friends up front. Buffalo did very well blocking for two rookies behind center in Edwards and Lynch. Miami rebuilt the line and drafted Long. One of the stronger pieces to this franchise. NY got Faneca and Mangold along Ferguson still stand great there.

I'm done writing for the night. Slightly biased toward Miami I will admit but tried not to be full biased. Hard to do when your a fan. Overall, the division offense shines with good young talent. Should be a fun year to watch.


Wow, someone actually gave a good response. Good writeup and I appreciate the feedback. A lot of posters could learn from a 17 yo.

BuffaloSoldier2
09-02-2008, 11:54 PM
Maybe, but the last time us Dolphin fans did so, we had at least a top 5 defense and a top 20 offense. Bill fans do so when they have nearly the worst statistics in the league on both sides of the ball, on top of the lowest scoring offense in the league. Quite a difference. But I guess nothing compares to winning 7 games, when you win 7 games you're just as good as the Chargers and Pats, regardless what statistics you produce.:rolleyes2:


A team that was the 16th ranked offense and 7th ranked defense just won the Super Bowl. Try actually watching football instead of just playing Madden or fantasy football.

Crisis
09-03-2008, 03:41 AM
all he has is useless stats. guy spends more time looking up useless information on the internet then actually watching football.

not even worth responding to. same old recycled garbage, be the same story when miami finishes last this season and he'll come back next offseason saying how they're better than their record and cite useless stats.

feelthepain
09-03-2008, 07:54 AM
Why bothering posting in the thread if you have nothing to say? You just use your same old bills suck everytime. You can't even talk about the subject at hand. Sad and a little weird at the same time how obessed you are with the Bills. Those Marino years must have really sucked for you. :up:



I see, so I don't praise the Bills awful 7-9 season and I have nothing to say? I had plenty to say you just don't want to read anything that isn't about how the Bills are better then they really are. How bout you come to this site and write about how great the Bills are when they actually have a winning season or make the playoffs or post stats that would prove they aren't nearly worst in the league on bothe sides of the ball? Till then everything you posted isn't based on what is, it's based on what you hope it will be. Hell anyone can do that.

feelthepain
09-03-2008, 08:18 AM
Haha. If this isn't the definition of irony, I don't know what is. :lol:


How is it irony? I don't disrespect the Bills, they are what they are. They're a 7-9 team with the 30th ranked offense and the 31st ranked defense the last 2 years with the lowest scoring offense in the lague in 07, not mention they've not made the playoffs since 99. Now tell me, is any of the not true?? Any???


For some reason that equals the Bills and playoffs in 08 for Bill fans. I think the Bills are far from being a playoff team, that isn't disrespect, that the honest truth. You don't see me talking about how great I think the Dolphins are, you don't see me writting up this long opinionated post about how we are the better then everyone but NE even though in the last two years our statistics don't support that opinion, but Bill fans do.

Do you see me saying the Pats suck, the Chargers suck, the Colts suck? Do you see me saying Miami isn't worse then those teams?? No cause they are good teams, they post good numbers, they make the playoffs, they are good teams. Those teams have reason to be are better, they not only have the wins, they have the statistics to back up their wins. They have probowlers and and coaches that have more wins then loses. Do the Bills have any of that? No!!! Everything I've said in this post is true, it's not hate, it's not disrespect, it's factual. I'm simply pointing out the facts.

Bill fans are under this delusion that having the worst statistics in the division the last two years, having a HC without a winning record, not making the playoffs in ten years and having the lowest scoring offense in the league in 07 all equals a playoff team in 08, simply because you finished second in the division with a 7-9 record????...........that's absured!!!!

feelthepain
09-03-2008, 08:21 AM
all he has is useless stats. guy spends more time looking up useless information on the internet then actually watching football.

not even worth responding to. same old recycled garbage, be the same story when miami finishes last this season and he'll come back next offseason saying how they're better than their record and cite useless stats.


:boohoo:oh boo frikin hooooo!!!!

Brassmonki14120
09-03-2008, 08:57 AM
:boohoo:oh boo frikin hooooo!!!!

Great post, one of your best.

feelthepain
09-03-2008, 02:09 PM
Great post, one of your best.


Well I'm just trying to keep up with the BS Bill fans seem to be spewing.

Brassmonki14120
09-03-2008, 02:40 PM
Well I'm just trying to keep up with the BS Bill fans seem to be spewing.

Congrats!!! You're doing a bang up job!

feelthepain
09-03-2008, 03:32 PM
Congrats!!! You're doing a bang up job!


Except I have facts on my side, Bill fans simply seem to make things up.

Brassmonki14120
09-04-2008, 10:38 AM
Except I have facts on my side, Bill fans simply seem to make things up.

Here's a fact,
Miami has been last in the division 3 of the last 4 years.

Who's delusional? The fish have done next to nothing in the entire NFL. They have done nothing in the division. NOTHING.

feelthepain
09-04-2008, 10:45 AM
Here's a fact,
Miami has been last in the division 3 of the last 4 years.

Who's delusional? The fish have done next to nothing in the entire NFL. They have done nothing in the division. NOTHING.

Yeah huge difference in being last and being 2nd and 3rd, all sucked. The only team on the division that's been worth a damn has been the Pats. Here's more reality, the Bills have been awful for the better part of the last decade, but Bill fans are pointing fingers, frikin classic. "Oh we've won more games the last three years, that means we don't suck." That's laughable.

The Bills the only team in the division without a SB win, the only team in the division that was swept for an entire decade by another team in the division. The only success the Bills have had in the league in the modern era, was four years that resulted in SB loses. The Bills are without a doubt the ugly duckling of the division.

Brassmonki14120
09-04-2008, 11:13 AM
Worst team in the division 3 of the past 4 years and worst team in the entire league just last year.

I understand now. If this is really what you need to do to cope with the fact that the fish are the worst team in the division and the entire NFL, then go ahead and vent.

I now understand that you have to try and make rival fans feel as badly as you do. I'm worried about you and if I can keep you from slitting your wrists, I'll play along.

Ahem...

Oh my you are sooo knowledgable about professional football, and YES, you really picked a winner with the fish. They are totally better than their 1-15 record would indicate, I mean did ya see their stats? Some of the games last year were so close, the fish should have been 12-4 last year. I think the refs had it out for the fish last year.

I think Chad Pennington's superior arm strength will lead the way to the division title this season when the fish go 14-2 this year. I bet after the fish clinch a playoff berth they will sit Penny until the playoffs and BP, I mean Sporano *wink* will play "The Stormin' Mormon" John Beck so he can show Miami fans why Cam drafted him in the second round.

Now I have to be honest, as a Bills fan who had 7 times as many wins as the fish last year, I would just like to say I am in AWE of the stats the fish put up last year. Even if the Bills somehow eek out a win against the fish sometime this season it will seem pretty hollow if the Bills don't pimp their stats.

I think I'm gonna cancel my NFL Sunday Ticket.

feelthepain
09-04-2008, 02:04 PM
Worst team in the division 3 of the past 4 years and worst team in the entire league just last year.

I understand now. If this is really what you need to do to cope with the fact that the fish are the worst team in the division and the entire NFL, then go ahead and vent.

I now understand that you have to try and make rival fans feel as badly as you do. I'm worried about you and if I can keep you from slitting your wrists, I'll play along.

Ahem...

Oh my you are sooo knowledgable about professional football, and YES, you really picked a winner with the fish. They are totally better than their 1-15 record would indicate, I mean did ya see their stats? Some of the games last year were so close, the fish should have been 12-4 last year. I think the refs had it out for the fish last year.

I think Chad Pennington's superior arm strength will lead the way to the division title this season when the fish go 14-2 this year. I bet after the fish clinch a playoff berth they will sit Penny until the playoffs and BP, I mean Sporano *wink* will play "The Stormin' Mormon" John Beck so he can show Miami fans why Cam drafted him in the second round.

Now I have to be honest, as a Bills fan who had 7 times as many wins as the fish last year, I would just like to say I am in AWE of the stats the fish put up last year. Even if the Bills somehow eek out a win against the fish sometime this season it will seem pretty hollow if the Bills don't pimp their stats.

I think I'm gonna cancel my NFL Sunday Ticket.


Couldn't all the same be said for Bills fans, desperate to cheer for a SB winniner just once in their lives? I guess when you never ever get to call your team the best, you'll take small little victories and treat them as if they were far more valuable then they really are. I get it, I understand now, Bill fans want to have something to take their minds of never winning anything worth while. So they take the little victories and covet them as their own little SB's. See we could be the Jets or Pats, Bill fans don't care. They just want to point fingers at someone else and distract attention from their own short comings.

It's understandable, when you get beat up as much as Bill fans have been beat up they tend to go overboard with any little glimmar of hope. Still in the end it's just just a 7-9 season proceeding more 7-9 and 6-10, no playoffs seasons that seem to just go on forever for the Bills and their fans. So enjoy that little bit of joy you seem to find in celebarting a losing 7-9 season as if it was actually a good season. Cause it's still just another losing season for Bill fans. This is by no means smack, it's the harsh reality of being the fan of a team that has had the least amount of success in the division and the fans that refuse to accept it.

Brassmonki14120
09-05-2008, 08:16 AM
Couldn't all the same be said for Bills fans, desperate to cheer for a SB winniner just once in their lives? I guess when you never ever get to call your team the best, you'll take small little victories and treat them as if they were far more valuable then they really are. I get it, I understand now, Bill fans want to have something to take their minds of never winning anything worth while. So they take the little victories and covet them as their own little SB's. See we could be the Jets or Pats, Bill fans don't care. They just want to point fingers at someone else and distract attention from their own short comings.

It's understandable, when you get beat up as much as Bill fans have been beat up they tend to go overboard with any little glimmar of hope. Still in the end it's just just a 7-9 season proceeding more 7-9 and 6-10, no playoffs seasons that seem to just go on forever for the Bills and their fans. So enjoy that little bit of joy you seem to find in celebarting a losing 7-9 season as if it was actually a good season. Cause it's still just another losing season for Bill fans. This is by no means smack, it's the harsh reality of being the fan of a team that has had the least amount of success in the division and the fans that refuse to accept it .

You're right. The SB losses are just eating me alive. How will I ever get over something that happened at the beginning of the last decade, the end of last century, the end of the last millenium?

If only I could hang onto something that happened almost 40 years ago. To dwell on something that was won last century. To ride something that was accomplished last millenium and act as if it held some significance now so that the failures of this decade can be forgotten and treated as if they didn't matter.

I think to myself, "the fish really are a good football team even though they went 1-15 last season. I'm sure that if they go 1-15 again this season the league will give them a wildcard playoff spot because they DID win the Super Bowl back in the early 70's. They may even crown them division champ. I think they should be given a Bye in the first round just because Bill Parcells is in miami. Yeah they deserve it."

Ya know what, the fish's stats were so great last season that I may just start a petition to give them a mulligan on the season record. They were so much better than their record would indicate.

Now I'm done posting anything about this here, I think this thread should have been taken to the depths a long time ago.

feelthepain
09-05-2008, 09:47 AM
You're right. The SB losses are just eating me alive.

Hmmm, that's exactly how I feel about a Bills team that hasn't had a winning season in years and had nearly the worst offens and defense the last couple of years. They win 7 games last year and it's just killing me:rolleyes2:

Look out a Bill fan thinks his team is better then it is.............HUGE SHOCK!! I won't be sleeping well knowing this, yeah right.:sidelol:

SebasMiamiFan
09-06-2008, 06:18 PM
AFC EAST BREAKDOWN
I Copy and pasted the original TC's breakdown, but I changed it around to what I think.
This will happen if ALL THE TEAMS PLAY GOOD with NE playing WEAKER.
This a combination of this and next year.

I'm not being biased. I believe that the Fins will be great again. I ALWAYS try to stay unbiased. The Jets blew a lot of money on players. The Bills continue to say they're a playoff team and then they never make it. The Bills will be GOOD, but the coaching will push them back for a while. The Patriots have questions now and a weakness in their defense. Teams can't be great forever and teams can't suck forever. Teams in the NFL get good or bad real fast. Maybe I'm being a little optimistic, but the future looks the brightest for the Fins. The chemistry and respect the players have for one another and the coaching staff is amazing. They are hungry for wins with a healthy Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams. Ricky is not going to screw the team over again. I expect them to make it to the .500 mark because of the attitude and the coaching staff. The players are a question, but we'll have to wait to see. If the Fins go 2-0 at the beginning of the season, then I believe they MIGHT be able to defeat the Pats with an injured Brady have a good season. The Patriots weakness is in passing, which the Fins will most LIKELY not be good at this year. That is why Henne is learning because he is the future of this franchise. The Fins will beat the Bills once and the Jets once. Then they will lose once to each teams. So, 1-1 against the Jets and Buff. Probably 1-1 or 0-2 against the Pats.

Quarterbacks
NE 4
NYJ 3
MIA 2
BUF 1

Tom Brady is one of the greatest QB's to ever play. He has broken several records and has taken his team to 4 SB's, losing only 1 of them to the Giants. However, Brady has two had trouble with his ankles and he will be slowed down because of this. The Jets have Brett Farve ,a Hall of Famer, who has broken Marino's record with A LOT of TD's and INT's. He is also 38, which is VERY old for a QB in the NFL. At his age, pressure from the D can ensure a INT from him. However, the Jets O line is very solid this year, giving Farve a lot of time to aim and fire to their good WR's. Pennington was a HUGE upgrade over McCown and Beck. Henne is still learning as a rookie. CP has the highest completion percentage in the NFL, but he has what is called a "Noodle Arm" because of injuries. However, the Fins are a ? in their WR's, so that really doesn't make a HUGE difference in the team. CP is also one of the smartest QB's in the league.

In Buffalo, Trent Edwards was a GREAT QB in his rookie year despite having a wrist injury and losses in the last 3 games of last years' season. He is definitely the future of the Bills franchise. The Bills went 7-9 and were second place because of beating the 1-15 Fins and the 4-12 Jets twice. It will not be like that this year, however. TE will lead the Bills to a SB, so don't count them out. They still remain the only AFC East to NEVER win a SB. The Fins and Jets haven't won in almost 40 years.

Running Backs
MIA 4
NYJ 2
BUF 2
NE 1

This is a very tough decision. Lynch proved to be a very tough runner and when he was injured, while Fred Jackson stepped in and played very well. NE didn't use Maroney a lot last year because they loved to pass. I think Lamont Jordan is a SOLID player.

Miami probably has the best RB's. Ricky Williams is in the best shape of his life and is in his 2002 form. Ronnie Brown is coming an injury, but he has proven that he can play as a starter. Ronnie and Ricky will be sharing the runs, according to the coaching staff, hence the "R&R Express." Thomas Jones is a decent back who runs hard but is nothing special. Washington is a very good change of pace back but doesn't get enough carries to be a major player.

Wide Receivers
NE 4
NYJ 3
BUF 2
MIA 1

The Patriots are clearly the winners here. Moss and Welker have become on of the best duo's in the NFL. Coles and Cotchery are also very solid duo in their own right, but they are not play makers. Lee Evans is the 2nd best receiver in the division but he has had little help. Hardy could be a beast, but he is still a rookie and has a lot to prove. Miami could have scored higher here, but they remain a ? in this position. Ginn may have a breakout season this year because CP and Ginn seem to be like TB and Moss.

Tight Ends
NE 4
NYJ 3
BUF 2
MIA 1

This is the WORST position by far in the division. Watson is pretty good, but he still drops a lot of balls. Between Keller, Franks, and Baker, the Jets have some solid players but no real stars. However, Keller could become a star. Buffalo's TEs are bad, but they may improve. The TE's in Miami are improving, but they are not going to be great this season.

Offensive Line
NE 4
BUF 3
NYJ 2
MIA 2

This is the MOST improved area in the AFC East. If you have a record setting offense, the O-Line will get all the credit. Miami and the Jets have improved immensely, but they have yet to prove themselves. Chemistry takes time to develop, so don't expect break out seasons from them. That's why I rate Buffalo's ahead of them both. CP has had very few sacks and has had time to make big plays. Jake Long, the first round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, will make A LOT of openings for MIA's RB's. All 4 teams have solid units. The Jets and MIA are tied. MIA may have the best O-Line after next year's draft, however. Wait and see.

Defensive Line
NE 4
BUF 3
NYJ 3
MIA 3

MIA wins this because Parcells is a Defense genius. NE had one of the best D-lines in football, but age is starting to catch up with them, they are however addressing this issue. The Bills have a pro bowler in Schobel; a former pro bowler in Stroud; and run 2 deep at every position. Jenkins, IMO, isn't what he used to be and is playing a new position. However, he still is an upgrade though the rest of the D-line is pretty average. Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas are gone, but they have definitely been replaced. Miami's D-Line led this year's Pre-Season in sacks with the 3-4 Defense. They were Terrific this Pre-Season. Miami has more to prove, but they will become the best in this division.

Linebackers
MIA 4 (If they prove themselves)
BUF 3
NYJ 3
NE 3


This one is really close. NE would've won this one, but they are fading fast. They were a disaster in the Pre-Season, even though most say the Pre-Season means nothing. Mayo probably will be a great player, but they are very old everywhere else. Buffalo and NYJ are almost identical. I think Poz and Harris will both have really good careers. However, I like the experience of the Bills other LBs (Mitchell and Crowell) over the potential of the Jets. And I think Pace got paid way too much money when he was a borderline bust for most of his career. Miami's LB are the pride and joy of their defense, making them tied for 1st in this comparison. The 3 teams will be in long competition for the best at this spot. However, with BP in charge, Miami will win this one in years to come.

Secondary
NYJ 4
BUF 3
NE 2
MIA 1


Again, another very difficult group to rate. Neither of these groups are that impressive, but there is a lot of potential. Buffalo and the Jets are basically even, but I give the Jets the edge because I think Rhodes is the best d back in the division. The bills have a very young group that has a lot of potential. Samuel was a huge loss and Harrison is a year older. Miami's Secondary has a lot to prove, but they have not played a real game yet.

Special Teams
BUF 4
MIA 3
NYJ 2
NE 1


Buffalo has a good kicker, great punter, and really good returners. The Jets have a good return game and Nugent is a pretty good kicker. Ginn will be the pride and joy of Miami. Carpenter is one of the most accurate kickers I know. When he kicks, your almost guaranteed a FG. NE is just good here.

FINAL SCORES:
NE 27
BUF 24
NYJ 25
MIA 19 :foundout:

New England Patriots: (12-4) :boohoo:
After almost making history and going 18-1, the Patriots are not going to be as great as last year. They are going to be winners of the AFC East. However, they better watch out because every team in their division is hungry for some wins and are much more improved. Tom Brady's injury and a loss of key players will put them in a fragile 1st place spot in the division. However, they have the easiest schedule in the league and will still dominate teams with their offense.

Miami Dolphins: (8-8) :unsure:
The Dolphins last year had a lot of trouble swimming. With the poor coaching, injuries, bad drafting for a decade, and nice attitude, the Fins were destined to fall 0-16 or 1-15. As you can see, Miami has improve A LOT. Teams are going to underestimate the Fins and will be taught a lesson. The coaching staff is almost perfect and the win or lose your job attitude has made this team hungry for wins. The team is full of young players who will make several mistakes this season. CP brings leadership and will mentor the team to greatness. Most of the positions on this team are a ?, but this team is definitely being built for the future. This team remains in last place in the Division on my list this year.

Buffalo Bills (10-6) :rolleyes2:
The Bills may actually be right this time and ram their way into the playoffs through the Wild Card, but that may not happen. However, for the last couple of years, they still remain a solid hopeful playoff team, but they never seem to make it. TE may have a breakout season and may actually lead the team to the playoffs. Due to the coaching staff, I think this team will be pushed back from the playoffs in the future or maybe now. However, they will almost always be a solid team in the AFC East.

New York Jets: (9-7) :foundout:
They're pretty much in the same situation as the Dolphins. Only winning 3 more games then the Fins, the Jets had a plane crash last year. They can go either way this year. They are tied with the Fins if they play a little choppy . They are a win a SB now team, but that will not happen. Saban did the same thing to the Fins and that led them into a disaster.

The Fins have won 2 SB in 1972 and 1973. The Jets have won 1 SB in 1968. The Bills have never won a SB. The Pats have won the SB in 2001, 2003, and 2004. The Fins have the highest win percentage in the NFL and remain the only team to remain perfect. The Jets have not really accomplished much in 40 years. The Bills have made it to the playoffs a lot and are fighting to return to their former selves. As are the Dolphins. The Patriot's dynasty is pretty much over, so it's going to be a VERY competitive AFC East this year.

The Future looks bright for the AFC EAST and it will become a tough division in the future. Probably even the best in the years to come. :woot:


Who do you think will win the division this year? Will it be close?

djfresh47
09-07-2008, 06:32 PM
Rather than start a thread or go into the main forum I think the Bills were the most impressive team in the league today.

feelthepain
09-07-2008, 08:10 PM
Rather than start a thread or go into the main forum I think the Bills were the most impressive team in the league today.

I think the Bills faced one of the most injured offenses in the league this week.

djfresh47
09-08-2008, 12:12 AM
I think the Bills faced one of the most injured offenses in the league this week.

I've posted it bunch of times but as a Dolphins fan I can even admit when a team within the division is impressive.

Justasportsfan
09-08-2008, 09:32 AM
I think the Bills faced one of the most injured offenses in the league this week.

yeah, their O was injured but their D wasn't and our Peters less OL dominated their DL.

Bring on the fins. Start making your excuses as early as today.

The bills are now ranked higher than the fins both defensively and offensively... got any excuses as to how the fins are still better than the bills?

I take it you won't be visiting Billszone anytime soon? :D