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WSE
09-18-2008, 05:52 PM
LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_on_el_pr/hagel_palin;_ylt=Ak4AWBu8e0VfKTTdHOArN2gDW7oF)


WASHINGTON - Nebraska Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel said his party's vice presidential nominee, Sarah Palin, lacks foreign policy experience and called it a "stretch" to say she's qualified to be president.
"She doesn't have any foreign policy credentials," Hagel said in an interview published Thursday by the Omaha World-Herald. "You get a passport for the first time in your life last year? I mean, I don't know what you can say. You can't say anything." Could Palin lead the country if GOP presidential nominee John McCain could not?
"I think it's a stretch to, in any way, to say that she's got the experience to be president of the United States," Hagel said.
McCain and other Republicans have defended Palin's qualifications, citing Alaska's proximity to Russia. Palin told ABC News, "They're our next-door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."
Hagel took issue with that argument. "I think they ought to be just honest about it and stop the nonsense about, 'I look out my window and I see Russia and so therefore I know something about Russia,'" he said. "That kind of thing is insulting to the American people."
Hagel, a senior member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has been a vocal critic of the Bush administration since the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
In July, Hagel traveled to Iraq and Afghanistan with Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama. Though he didn't expect to be asked, Hagel had said he would have considered serving as Obama's running mate.
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Palin visited soldiers in Kuwait and Germany last year and said in an interview with ABC News that her only other foreign travel had been to Mexico and Canada. She also said she had never met a foreign head of state.


now, its Chuck Hagel, and Chuck Hagel is close to Republican what Lieberman is to dems (not totally though, since Hagel still has a R next to his name, not an I).



However, look at the quotes and not the person. He mentions the Russia thing, which is a rather ridiculous statement by McCains camp imo. He mentions the passport thing.



Also, he has credentials- a senior member of foreign relations committee.

Thundercracker
09-18-2008, 10:07 PM
Well, it's definitely insulting to me, but a lot of morons believe she has adequate foreign policy credentials.

phinfan3411
09-18-2008, 10:25 PM
:up:Just a question, how much foreign policy exp did the gov from arkansas have?

To me as VP, it would not bother me as much, she will be able to learn quickly.

I am sure McCain never meant the pick to be "insulting".:up:

phinfan3411
09-18-2008, 10:30 PM
Foreign policy is the new catch word for liberals. Say it out loud a few times, then use it in a sentence 3-4 times a day on your blog (just like P Diddy, my hero).

signed
moron

MDFINFAN
09-18-2008, 10:34 PM
:up:Just a question, how much foreign policy exp did the gov from arkansas have?

To me as VP, it would not bother me as much, she will be able to learn quickly.

I am sure McCain never meant the pick to be "insulting".:up:

P3411, lets be real, McCain is at a age that he could have physical problems and could very well not make it though his whole term.. to pick someone like Palin is a stretch, especially if you want to instill confidence in ppl that you know what you're doing.. This pick miss that test badly..and now listening to her, really scares the hell out of me...when you don't know that the Fannies are not gov't agencies, maybe you're not ready to run a government of this size.. I can now list a lot more of her answers than I could when she was first picked..but the more she says the scarier it gets..and when Hannity has to help you alone in a softball interveiw.. then maybe we need to take a serious look, and thus far P3411, I'm not impress and it has nothing to do with my support of Obama, if the woman was sharp, I'll said her is.. but at this point she's not.

phinfan3411
09-18-2008, 10:48 PM
I really do not believe you MD. McCain was right on the direction of fannie, and freddie etc, he tried to fix it, and because of paid off-do nothings like Obama, we have the mess we are in.

You are completely hypocritical, if the rolls were reversed, and Obama's name was on that legislation, you would be all over it, don't even argue. Now change the subject, and don't answer any of the points I just brought up.

Obama is an empty suit bought, and paid for by the corrupt, greedy fannie, freddie Leyman etc. You will never admit it, you know its true.

MDFINFAN
09-18-2008, 10:53 PM
I really do not believe you MD. McCain was right on the direction of fannie, and freddie etc, he tried to fix it, and because of paid off-do nothings like Obama, we have the mess we are in.

You are completely hypocritical, if the rolls were reversed, and Obama's name was on that legislation, you would be all over it, don't even argue. Now change the subject, and don't answer any of the points I just brought up.

Obama is an empty suit bought, and paid for by the corrupt, greedy fannie, freddie Leyman etc. You will never admit it, you know its true.

I think you wrote this in the wrong thread, but as I said in the right thread I didn't argue you on that point... but palin didn't know the fannies weren't a part of the gov't in she rally...she listed them as a part of the gov't...utube it, you don't have to believe me.. I generally tried to prove what I said..and this one is very verifiable..

phinfan3411
09-18-2008, 11:08 PM
MD, I know she did, considering the circumstances, I am willing to let it go, it really is not a big deal to me. Like trooper gate, that made me like her more!

Things I don't like would be lying about the bridge to nowhere, that bothered me.

MDFINFAN
09-19-2008, 12:08 AM
MD, I know she did, considering the circumstances, I am willing to let it go, it really is not a big deal to me. Like trooper gate, that made me like her more!

Things I don't like would be lying about the bridge to nowhere, that bothered me.

P3411 do you really thing today, she knows enough about the us government to govern it? Does she give you that much confidence? Your vp is a person who should be able to step in and continued the flow of day to day business...I salute you if you're comfortable with her..I'm just a harder nut to crack I guess when it comes to her. I was hoping for more.. that's all.

poornate
09-19-2008, 12:37 AM
Obama is an empty suit bought, and paid for by the corrupt, greedy fannie, freddie Leyman etc. You will never admit it, you know its true.

How did they have the money to purchase him?... hadn't they all burned up their cash giving to McCain? McCain's top five contributors are financial/lending institutes... (they want that deregulation!)

phinfan3411
09-19-2008, 05:50 AM
How did they have the money to purchase him?... hadn't they all burned up their cash giving to McCain? McCain's top five contributors are financial/lending institutes... (they want that deregulation!)

I guess then Nate, every news show I watch, not fox, is mistaken, all the articles on google that seem to say the same thing, and lets not get "all" the financial institutions onto this, "all" the financial institutions did not just fail, and attempt to take the world economy with them.

McCain also did not write that bill to cover "all" financial institutions, in hindsight, just the correct ones.

poornate
09-19-2008, 08:45 AM
I guess then Nate, every news show I watch, not fox, is mistaken, all the articles on google that seem to say the same thing, and lets not get "all" the financial institutions onto this, "all" the financial institutions did not just fail, and attempt to take the world economy with them.

McCain also did not write that bill to cover "all" financial institutions, in hindsight, just the correct ones.


Bundlers for the McCain campaign include Merrill Lynch CEO John Thain, who is listed as raising at least half a million dollars. That may help explain why Merrill Lynch's employees have made the firm McCain's biggest donor -- when the boss is giving, others follow suit. McCain's bundles have also come in from executives at Lehman Brothers, the firm formerly known as Bear Stearns, Morgan Stanley, JPMorgan Chase, Credit Suisse and Wachovia. Former senator Phil Gramm, an executive at UBS, and Geoffrey Boisi, a board member for rescued mortgage buyer Freddie Mac, have both reportedly raised between $100,000 and $250,000 for McCain.

Bear Stearns? Lehman Brothers? Freddie Mac? I just think this is a systemic failure and that neither man has any real direct responsibility for.... I just keep pointing out the dust in McCain's eye because you want to turn this into something it is not... I neither give nor take away anything from either of them in regards to this topic....

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/bundlers-for-mccain-obama-are.html

BlueFin
09-19-2008, 09:09 AM
:up:Just a question, how much foreign policy exp did the gov from arkansas have?

To me as VP, it would not bother me as much, she will be able to learn quickly.

I am sure McCain never meant the pick to be "insulting".:up:

Great point, or Obama for that matter.

At least Palin has negotiated a big deal with a foreign country (the pipeline deal with Canada).

What people forget is that whoever is elected is surrounded by so many advisors that have tons of experience, that no matter who the president is, its always a matter of him getting briefed by his experts and then making sound and reasonable decisions that are hopefully in the best interests of this country.

BlueFin
09-19-2008, 09:16 AM
Bear Stearns? Lehman Brothers? Freddie Mac? I just think this is a systemic failure and that neither man has any real direct responsibility for.... I just keep pointing out the dust in McCain's eye because you want to turn this into something it is not... I neither give nor take away anything from either of them in regards to this topic....

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/bundlers-for-mccain-obama-are.html

Well, with the exception that McCain tried to do something about it in 2005 and his legistlation was shot down by the 2 largest recipients of donations (Dowd & Obama) among others.

Therein lies the rub, one of our candidates is a reformer who tried to do something about it, the other only talks of reform and has a track record of not doing much (such as his rise through the chicago political corruption scene, and him being a team player and not shaking anything up.)

milldog
09-19-2008, 09:26 AM
Bear Stearns? Lehman Brothers? Freddie Mac? I just think this is a systemic failure and that neither man has any real direct responsibility for.... I just keep pointing out the dust in McCain's eye because you want to turn this into something it is not... I neither give nor take away anything from either of them in regards to this topic....

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/bundlers-for-mccain-obama-are.html

Fact is, once again Palin's being slammed for her inexperience in foreign relations, by one of their own! It really wouldn't be such a big deal if she would stop acting as if she does!

BlueFin
09-19-2008, 09:59 AM
Fact is, once again Palin's being slammed for her inexperience in foreign relations, by one of their own! It really wouldn't be such a big deal if she would stop acting as if she does!

As Obama is by some of his own party, whats more important? The Presidential nominee or the VP nominee being not ready?

poornate
09-19-2008, 10:03 AM
Well, with the exception that McCain tried to do something about it in 2005 and his legistlation was shot down by the 2 largest recipients of donations (Dowd & Obama) among others.

Therein lies the rub, one of our candidates is a reformer who tried to do something about it, the other only talks of reform and has a track record of not doing much (such as his rise through the chicago political corruption scene, and him being a team player and not shaking anything up.)

We have a whole thread on this... it is not true. Obama had nothing to do with this, and to repeat it is to be deceitful. If you choose to repeat it you are perpetuating a complete and outright lie.

FinFatale
09-19-2008, 10:18 AM
We have a whole thread on this... it is not true. Obama had nothing to do with this, and to repeat it is to be deceitful. If you choose to repeat it you are perpetuating a complete and outright lie.


"For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac--known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs--and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO's report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO's report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay."

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=109-s20060525-16&bill=s109-190#sMonofilemx003Ammx002Fmmx002Fmmx002Fmhomemx002Fmgovtrackmx002Fmdatamx002Fmusmx002Fm109mx002Fmcrmx002Fms20060525-16.xmlElementm0m0m0m

FinFatale
09-19-2008, 10:24 AM
Top Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/07/top-senate-recipients-of-fanni.html

poornate
09-19-2008, 10:37 AM
Top Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/07/top-senate-recipients-of-fanni.html

That's right... keep using misleading information to sell a bunch of nothing.... why not, right? The truth is unimportant as long as it forwards the agenda....

FinFatale
09-19-2008, 10:50 AM
That's right... keep using misleading information to sell a bunch of nothing.... why not, right? The truth is unimportant as long as it forwards the agenda....

Nate? what is not right? I followed the LINK to opensecrets that you linked to in a previous post........is it not a reliable site?????????? what?

poornate
09-19-2008, 11:08 AM
Opensecrets is unbelievably reliable... but the point is, as we have already repeatedly discussed, you cannot look at 2007-2008 and use those figures for implying ties to anything affecting what happened in 2005... Of course they have a contribution history in 2007-08... Obama is a Democrat running for President... that is the same reason Kerry (presidential nominee of 2004) is near the top of the list... The Republicans want to privatize Freddie and Fannie... if they had had there way we would all be discussing the "Depression of 2008" not the "Recession of 2008"...

FinFatale
09-19-2008, 11:40 AM
the chart refers to 1989 through 2008, not just the past couple of years............

poornate
09-19-2008, 11:54 AM
the chart refers to 1989 through 2008, not just the past couple of years............

I understand that... do you understand the point i am making? If you take out the two years of the presidential campaign, which would have had no affect on what happened in 2005, then you will see that Obama never had any ties or contributions from Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac until he was running for POTUS... that makes the information irrelevant to the conversation about potential legislation in 2005.... and it makes the repeated assertion that Obama had a hand in stymieing it a lie... but since it, it being the 1989-2008 chart) shows Obama as being the biggest benefactor from their political contributions (even though not one penny of it was PAC money) it leads people to draw conclusions that are assumptive and untrue. That is why the chart you are posting is being traded among uninformed Neo-Cons like Poke-Mon cards at a 4th grade lunch table. I guess I should not assume that anyone sees the loose underpinning sustaining this point, so i ask you, do you see the point I am making?

FinFatale
09-19-2008, 12:37 PM
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html

here is an updated list. it shows that Senator Obama did infact recieve some PAC money.

poornate
09-19-2008, 12:51 PM
Oh my... a mistake... it still isn't from 2005... or 2006... or from the senate... and it's an amount equal to a used Ford Escort... it still doesn't speak to the topic above... so I'll ask again... do you see the point i am making about the years and the fallacy the chart creates in the mind of the reader? (I cannot believe after this whole thread of conversation that hunting down that $6,000 of PAC money was what motivated you in your next answer..)

FinFatale
09-19-2008, 01:06 PM
Oh my... a mistake... it still isn't from 2005... or 2006... or from the senate... and it's an amount equal to a used Ford Escort... it still doesn't speak to the topic above... so I'll ask again... do you see the point i am making about the years and the fallacy the chart creates in the mind of the reader? (I cannot believe after this whole thread of conversation that hunting down that $6,000 of PAC money was what motivated you in your next answer..)

what motivated me was you stating that NOT one penny was PAC money........which, although was not a large amount , it turned out to be false. and I could be misreading here but if that chart only goes back four years on Senator Obama and back to 1989 on some others , then that tells me that in four years Senator Obama got HUGE monies compared to the rest over how many years?????????? Am I not comprehending you correctly???

Dolphan7
09-19-2008, 01:21 PM
what motivated me was you stating that NOT one penny was PAC money........which, although was not a large amount , it turned out to be false. and I could be misreading here but if that chart only goes back four years on Senator Obama and back to 1989 on some others , then that tells me that in four years Senator Obama got HUGE monies compared to the rest over how many years?????????? Am I not comprehending you correctly???
I see your point. In 2 years Obama ranks as number two in money received from these lobbyists. Compared to the study that goes back to 89.

The question is why?

If the money was donated after he announced his POTUS run then it would seem they are endorsing and supporting him for POTUS?

poornate
09-19-2008, 01:25 PM
I see your point. In 2 years Obama ranks as number two in money received from these lobbyists. Compared to the study that goes back to 89.

The question is why?

If the money was donated after he announced his POTUS run then it would seem they are endorsing and supporting him for POTUS?

Because the Republicans want to privatize the two firms... and the Dems do not... that is simple... and yes, all the money came in the POTUS campaign cycle... Remember this... if they were privatized we would be in a poverty cycle right now that our nation has never seen...

Dolphan7
09-19-2008, 01:34 PM
Because the Republicans want to privatize the two firms... and the Dems do not... that is simple... and yes, all the money came in the POTUS campaign cycle... Remember this... if they were privatized we would be in a poverty cycle right now that our nation has never seen...Mystery solved then, and it is all moot, we own them now.

Both Senators saw the problem, both initiated legislation to "do something", both died in committee.

Darn those committees!

FinFatale
09-19-2008, 01:36 PM
I see your point. In 2 years Obama ranks as number two in money received from these lobbyists. Compared to the study that goes back to 89.

The question is why?

If the money was donated after he announced his POTUS run then it would seem they are endorsing and supporting him for POTUS?:logic:


whew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS D7! I was beginning to think I had lost it!! lol

poornate
09-19-2008, 01:38 PM
Aaaahhhhh... thank you...thank you D7... the point i have been making all along.... oh calgon... relief...

poornate
09-19-2008, 01:52 PM
Isn't it funny that two people... arguing exact opposite sides can find merit in your posts... You ol' moderate softie, you! :lol:

The_Dark_Knight
09-19-2008, 05:06 PM
I have a newsflash for everyone...in case all of seemed to forget...


Sarah Palin is not running for President of the United States!!


Jesus!!!! Enough already!!! When someone points out to me something other than the fact that John McCain is 72 years old that he has some documented medical condition that would jeopardize his chance of filling his 4 year term as President, I couldn't care less if Sarah Palin's only executive experience was administering a Girl Scout Troop and her only foreign policy experience was struggling to communicate witha parent that didn't speak English.

Don't forget guys...George HW Bush ws well up there in his years as well...and he had DAN "potatoe" QUAYLE as his VP. How much time did he have holding the reigns?? NONE...N-U-N, NONE!!

This is SOOOOOOOOO getting out of hand :rolleyes2:

MDFINFAN
09-19-2008, 06:08 PM
I have a newsflash for everyone...in case all of seemed to forget...


Sarah Palin is not running for President of the United States!!


Jesus!!!! Enough already!!! When someone points out to me something other than the fact that John McCain is 72 years old that he has some documented medical condition that would jeopardize his chance of filling his 4 year term as President, I couldn't care less if Sarah Palin's only executive experience was administering a Girl Scout Troop and her only foreign policy experience was struggling to communicate witha parent that didn't speak English.

Don't forget guys...George HW Bush ws well up there in his years as well...and he had DAN "potatoe" QUAYLE as his VP. How much time did he have holding the reigns?? NONE...N-U-N, NONE!!

This is SOOOOOOOOO getting out of hand :rolleyes2:

News flash back at ya..


She's one 72 year old's heartbeat away and that's scary.

The fact that she can have her hand on nukes based on what I've seen of her to this point...you can't convince me that was the right ticket....no way, no how.. Actually the thought of McCain with nukes is just as scary.

FinFatale
09-19-2008, 06:10 PM
Mr.DarkKnight
Glad to have you back with us and to know you are safe. You look rather dashing in RED I must add. LOL

MDFINFAN
09-19-2008, 06:12 PM
Isn't it funny that two people... arguing exact opposite sides can find merit in your posts... You ol' moderate softie, you! :lol:

Now I've got to deal with his big head, thanks alot Poornate..:lol:

FinFatale
09-19-2008, 06:17 PM
Aaaahhhhh... thank you...thank you D7... the point i have been making all along.... oh calgon... relief...

MD.... I think that PoorNate was talking to D7. Did all those red letters make you lose it for a few minutes?????????
lol j/k with ya.........:sidelol:

MDFINFAN
09-19-2008, 06:41 PM
MD.... I think that PoorNate was talking to D7. Did all those red letters make you lose it for a few minutes?????????
lol j/k with ya.........:sidelol:

I know, it was D7 big head I was referring to..:lol: He got a compliment, and I know his head is now BIG... I love The_Dark_Knight, he always gives me things to break up my day....like big red letters...:sidelol:

The_Dark_Knight
09-20-2008, 04:07 AM
I know, it was D7 big head I was referring to..:lol: He got a compliment, and I know his head is now BIG... I love The_Dark_Knight, he always gives me things to break up my day....like big red letters...:sidelol:
I have to use big red letters because I'm nearly as blind as a bat....er uh....blind as a "me" :lol:

Now, back to the red letters point...

Is John McCain's health in any greater risk than Barack Obama's? Hillary Clinton's? Joe Biden's? Nancy Pelosi? President Bush? VP Cheney??

The ONLY thing you keep referring to is John McCain being 72 years old. Hell MD, My grandmother is 80--------3??? I think...and she would burying you, me and everyone else in this forum in her physical health and mental faculties...AND she's a cancer survivor too!!

Hell, if McCain's health was that of former Russian President Boris Yeltsin or that of VP Cheney, then I might be willing to give greater creedence to McCain's choice...but it isn't. His health is NOT an issue...not ONE bit.

Your issue...he's 72 years old...that's it. Sounds like discrimination to me! :foundout:

The_Dark_Knight
09-20-2008, 04:11 AM
Mr.DarkKnight
Glad to have you back with us and to know you are safe. You look rather dashing in RED I must add. LOL
Thank you sweetie. I do look rather dashing in red, don't I? :D

Red just doesn't go wth my anatomically correct nomex kevlar body suit, cape and cowl. :sidelol:

poornate
09-20-2008, 07:42 AM
I have a newsflash for everyone...in case all of seemed to forget...



Don't forget guys...George HW Bush ws well up there in his years as well...and he had DAN "potatoe" QUAYLE as his VP. How much time did he have holding the reigns?? NONE...N-U-N, NONE!!
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You forget... Dan Quayle was more qualified, though....

The_Dark_Knight
09-20-2008, 04:38 PM
You forget... Dan Quayle was more qualified, though....
uhhhhhh, NO!!! Dan Quayle was LESS qualified to be President, let alone Vice President just by virture of his qualities. When he was about to be introduced by then Vice President Bush as his running mate, he was as scared as two hookers in Church on Sunday. He coudn't handle the pressure...and his introduction was a DISASTER!!!!

He was eaten alive by Lloyd Benson during the Vice Presidential debates, he incorrectly corrected an elementary school student on how to spell the word potato on national tv...

Quayle was an IDIOT!!! Palin is not. I'll recant if I'm wrong, but Sarah Palin is going to surpirse alot of people during the Vice Presidential debates.

But if I'm wrong, I'll admit I was wrong. But will "you" (all inclusive) be able to do the same if I'm right?

poornate
09-21-2008, 01:17 AM
Yes of course I will... But it doesn't matter how well she does... how well she does doesn't make me less terrified of what she means to our nation... it doesn't change the backwards qualities she embraces like a badge of honor... How well she speaks or stands her ground doesn't change who she is.... She's deceitful and dangerous, and no amount of "handling herself" will change that....

BlueFin
09-21-2008, 09:27 AM
..............then its definitely a stretch to say Obama is qualified to be President as well.

MDFINFAN
09-21-2008, 01:01 PM
..............then its definitely a stretch to say Obama is qualified to be President as well.

Welll at least he knows what the fundalmentals of the economy are, and he also knows what agencies are a part of the government unlike his 2 counterparts on the other ticket..:up: Palin Fannie mae's gaffe along tells you a lot..

poornate
09-22-2008, 12:03 AM
uhhhhhh, NO!!! Dan Quayle was LESS qualified to be President, let alone Vice President just by virture of his qualities. When he was about to be introduced by then Vice President Bush as his running mate, he was as scared as two hookers in Church on Sunday. He coudn't handle the pressure...and his introduction was a DISASTER!!!!

He was eaten alive by Lloyd Benson during the Vice Presidential debates, he incorrectly corrected an elementary school student on how to spell the word potato on national tv...

Quayle was an IDIOT!!! Palin is not. I'll recant if I'm wrong, but Sarah Palin is going to surpirse alot of people during the Vice Presidential debates.

But if I'm wrong, I'll admit I was wrong. But will "you" (all inclusive) be able to do the same if I'm right?

...but if we judged off of personal qualities alone, IMHO this election would be in the bag... as far as Quayle... you are right about his apparent substance... but as far as external qualification, there is no comparison... he was elected three times to Congress. He drafted major legislation and was on the Senatorial Armed Services Committee. I mean... he was never a mayor or anything...:rolleyes: