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finataxia24
09-27-2008, 05:08 PM
The two presidential campaigns launched a war of ads and press releases as each side claimed victory in their first general election showdown at the University of Mississippi debate last night.
Appearing at a rally here, Sen. Barack Obama ripped into Sen. John McCain's remarks in Oxford, Miss., about the economy -- and more for what his GOP opponent didn't say than for what he did.
"The truth is, through ninety minutes of debating, John McCain had a lot to say about me, but he had nothing to say about you. He didn't even say the words 'middle class.' Didn't say the words 'working people,'" Obama told a cheering crowd of about 20,000 people on a rainy Saturday morning.
The middle-class omission also is the subject of new Obama television ad (above) that the campaign rolled out this morning, asserting, "McCain doesn't get it. Barack Obama does."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/27/debate_over_obama_takes_off_th.html



Really John? McCain debates McCain (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x199941)


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Dolphins9954
09-27-2008, 05:16 PM
The two presidential campaigns launched a war of ads and press releases as each side claimed victory in their first general election showdown at the University of Mississippi debate last night.
Appearing at a rally here, Sen. Barack Obama ripped into Sen. John McCain's remarks in Oxford, Miss., about the economy -- and more for what his GOP opponent didn't say than for what he did.
"The truth is, through ninety minutes of debating, John McCain had a lot to say about me, but he had nothing to say about you. He didn't even say the words 'middle class.' Didn't say the words 'working people,'" Obama told a cheering crowd of about 20,000 people on a rainy Saturday morning.
The middle-class omission also is the subject of new Obama television ad (above) that the campaign rolled out this morning, asserting, "McCain doesn't get it. Barack Obama does."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/27/debate_over_obama_takes_off_th.html



Really John? McCain debates McCain (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x199941)


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Mccain did mention the middle class. And how Obama voted to raise taxes on them. Obama denied it. But guess what? It was true. Mccain also said we should have a freeze on spending. We should start with the 700 billion dollar bailout Senator Mccain. Then your's and Obama spending plans should be next.

finataxia24
09-27-2008, 05:32 PM
Obama denied voting for a bill that called for increased taxes on “people” making as little as $42,000 a year, as McCain accused him of doing. McCain was right, though only for single taxpayers. A married couple would have had to make $83,000 to be affected by the vote, and anyway no such increase is in Obama’s tax plan.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_1.html



$42,000 per year?


McCain said – and Obama denied – that Obama had voted to increase taxes on "people who make as low as $42,000 a year." McCain was correct – with qualification.


McCain: But, again, Senator Obama has shifted on a number of occasions. He has voted in the United States Senate to increase taxes on people who make as low as $42,000 a year.
Obama: That's not true, John. That's not true.
McCain: And that's just a fact. Again, you can look it up.
Obama: Look, it's just not true.

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gifYes, as we’ve said before (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_32000_question.html), Obama did in fact vote for a budget resolution that called for higher federal income tax rates on a single, non-homeowner who earned as little as $42,000 per year. A couple filing jointly, however, would have had to earn at least $83,000 per year to be affected.A family of four with income up to $90,000 would not have been affected.

The resolution actually would not have altered taxes without additional legislation. It called generally for allowing most of the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts to expire. McCain is referring to the provision that would have allowed the 25 percent tax bracket to return to 28 percent. The tax plan Obama now proposes, however, would not raise the rate on that tax bracket.

Dolphins9954
09-27-2008, 05:36 PM
Obama denied voting for a bill that called for increased taxes on “people” making as little as $42,000 a year, as McCain accused him of doing. McCain was right, though only for single taxpayers. A married couple would have had to make $83,000 to be affected by the vote, and anyway no such increase is in Obama’s tax plan.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_1.html



$42,000 per year?


McCain said – and Obama denied – that Obama had voted to increase taxes on "people who make as low as $42,000 a year." McCain was correct – with qualification.


McCain: But, again, Senator Obama has shifted on a number of occasions. He has voted in the United States Senate to increase taxes on people who make as low as $42,000 a year.
Obama: That's not true, John. That's not true.
McCain: And that's just a fact. Again, you can look it up.
Obama: Look, it's just not true.

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gifYes, as we’ve said before (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_32000_question.html), Obama did in fact vote for a budget resolution that called for higher federal income tax rates on a single, non-homeowner who earned as little as $42,000 per year. A couple filing jointly, however, would have had to earn at least $83,000 per year to be affected.A family of four with income up to $90,000 would not have been affected.

The resolution actually would not have altered taxes without additional legislation. It called generally for allowing most of the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts to expire. McCain is referring to the provision that would have allowed the 25 percent tax bracket to return to 28 percent. The tax plan Obama now proposes, however, would not raise the rate on that tax bracket.


So if your single and working class your taxes are going up under Obama.
Also take into account that Obama would add another 4 to 5 trillion to the debt. Even with his High "Patriotic" taxes on the rich. The fact remains that Obama would have a huge shortfall of money when it comes to his budget. Where is that money going to come from?

finataxia24
09-27-2008, 05:42 PM
The resolution actually would not have altered taxes without additional legislation. It called generally for allowing most of the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts to expire. McCain is referring to the provision that would have allowed the 25 percent tax bracket to return to 28 percent. The tax plan Obama now proposes, however, would not raise the rate on that tax bracket.

read this again....

finataxia24
09-27-2008, 05:45 PM
It's a pretty standard Republican theme: "Democrat X favors higher taxes and wasteful spending." But the McCain-Palin campaign has repeatedly pushed this line far beyond what the facts will support. Among the whoppers: that Sen. Barack Obama has voted to raise taxes on families earning as little as $32,000 per year, that Obama wants to tax your electricity and your heating oil, that he has voted for "higher" taxes 94 times, and that he will raise taxes for 23 million small-business owners. Each of these claims is false. Sen. John McCain also claims Obama will raise taxes on your investments, which is untrue for all but those at the top of the income scale.


Obama has not proposed new taxes for electricity or for home heating oil. McCain likes to point to a budget resolution for which Obama voted, which would have raised the marginal tax rate on a single individual earning $41,500 per year or a couple earning $83,000 per year. But that isn't part of Obama's tax plan, which would raise rates (including capital gains and dividend rates) only for couples earning at least $250,000 per year, or singles earning $200,000 or more. Any investments held in Individual Retirement Accounts, 401(k) plans or other tax-deferred retirement accounts would remain just that, tax-deferred. Nor would Obama's plans affect 23 million small-business owners; most, in fact, would see a tax cut. At most, a few hundred thousand of the most affluent business owners would see rates go up. And those 94 votes for "higher" taxes? We count 23 that would not have raised taxes at all, but were merely votes against tax cuts. Seven of them would have lowered taxes for many. As for Obama's actual plan: The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center says that 81.3 percent of all American workers and families would see a tax cut.

Tax Tally Trickery July 3 (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/tax_tally_trickery.html)


http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_whoppers_of_2008.html

milldog
09-27-2008, 05:47 PM
So if your single and working class your taxes are going up under Obama.
Also take into account that Obama would add another 4 to 5 trillion to the debt. Even with his High "Patriotic" taxes on the rich. The fact remains that Obama would have a huge shortfall of money when it comes to his budget. Where is that money going to come from?

We are in this situation due to a failed government led by Bush, supported by McCain. Obama has clearly outlined his tax plan and it won't affect most of us. It is a continuous lie to say Obama will raise middle class taxes. the fact it the next president will have his hands full dealing with our debt. Someone's gotta pay.

Dolphins9954
09-27-2008, 05:50 PM
The resolution actually would not have altered taxes without additional legislation. It called generally for allowing most of the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts to expire. McCain is referring to the provision that would have allowed the 25 percent tax bracket to return to 28 percent. The tax plan Obama now proposes, however, would not raise the rate on that tax bracket.

read this again....




Read this.......





We checked the accuracy of Obama's speech accepting the Democratic nomination, and noted the following:


Obama said he could “pay for every dime” of his spending and tax cut proposals “by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens.” That’s wrong – his proposed tax increases on upper-income individuals are key components of paying for his program, as well. And his plan, like McCain’s, would leave the U.S. facing big budget deficits, according to independent experts.

Not Quite Every Dime


Obama reassured voters that he can pay for all his spending proposals:


Obama: Now, many of these plans will cost money, which is why I’ve laid out how I’ll pay for every dime – by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens that don’t help America grow.


This is misleading. Even by his own campaign’s estimates, closing corporate loopholes and tax havens won’t pay for all of Obama’s new plans. In July, the campaign told the Los Angeles Times that they estimate the yearly cost of their proposed tax cuts at $130 billion (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-obamaplans8-2008jul08,0,5470706.story?page=1). They put revenue from closing tax loopholes at just $80 billion. Obama also proposes to raise taxes to pre-Bush levels for families earning more than $250,000 a year and singles making more than $200,000, yielding additional revenue. But he didn't mention that in his speech.

But Obama’s claim is misleading on another level. According to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, "without substantial cuts in government spending" Obama’s plan – and McCain's, too – "would substantially increase the national debt over the next ten years (http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/411750_updated_candidates_summary.pdf)." Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor told FactCheck.org that the Tax Policy Center's analysis "fails to take in account Senator Obama's spending cuts, including ending the Iraq war." That's true, but Obama's proposed cuts are dwarfed by the Tax Policy Center's projected deficits. Obama’s new spending programs might be completely offset by new revenue and spending cuts. But overall spending will still exceed overall revenue, and the nation would face at least 10 more years of annual deficits.






http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_obama.html



So once again I ask you. Where is the money coming from?

Either Obama has to raise "Patriotic" taxes on everyone. Or put us in record debt. That's his options. And according to this report even if he raised taxes on everyone we will still face 10 years of deficits.

Dolphins9954
09-27-2008, 05:53 PM
We are in this situation due to a failed government led by Bush, supported by McCain. Obama has clearly outlined his tax plan and it won't affect most of us. It is a continuous lie to say Obama will raise middle class taxes. the fact it the next president will have his hands full dealing with our debt. Someone's gotta pay.


So high "Patriotic" taxes on all of us. The 95% tax cuts is nonsense and a lie. And guess what. Even with the high taxes on all of us. We still will have 10 years of deficits and debt. More Taxes. More Debt. God bless America.

milldog
09-27-2008, 06:02 PM
So high "Patriotic" taxes on all of us. The 95% tax cuts is nonsense and a lie. And guess what. Even with the high taxes on all of us. We still will have 10 years of deficits and debt. More Taxes. More Debt. God bless America.

I totally agree with what your saying but the point is what McCain said is a lie!

Dolphins9954
09-27-2008, 06:05 PM
I totally agree with what your saying but the point is what McCain said is a lie!


And Obama doesn't lie?

Dolphins9954
09-27-2008, 06:24 PM
I totally agree with what your saying but the point is what McCain said is a lie!


Mccain better stop with the lies. It could get him thrown in jail.

http://www.kmov.com/video/index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1


Not exactly "change" is it.

milldog
09-27-2008, 06:30 PM
And Obama doesn't lie?

They all do, I won't dispute that. Hell, I think that's a prequalification to be in politics. Doesn't it suck that its that way! I still think its wrong for McCain to try and mislead people. And if Obama lies, I'll be the first to say its wrong as well. I'm not one-sided. I voted for Bush the first time, I was a registered Repub, I'm just ready to try something different, that's why I'll vote for Obama. Is he perfect, no. does he lie, yes. I just can't see staying on the path were on.

Dolphins9954
09-27-2008, 06:36 PM
They all do, I won't dispute that. Hell, I think that's a prequalification to be in politics. Doesn't it suck that its that way! I still think its wrong for McCain to try and mislead people. And if Obama lies, I'll be the first to say its wrong as well. I'm not one-sided. I voted for Bush the first time, I was a registered Repub, I'm just ready to try something different, that's why I'll vote for Obama. Is he perfect, no. does he lie, yes. I just can't see staying on the path were on.


Isn't more spending, more debt and more loss of liberty the same path?


I better watch what I say. The "truth squad" might get me.

http://www.kmov.com/video/index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1

milldog
09-27-2008, 06:47 PM
Isn't more spending, more debt and more loss of liberty the same path?


I better watch what I say. The "truth squad" might get me.

http://www.kmov.com/video/index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1

:sidelol::sidelol::sidelol: Ican only hope you don't include me in that. I'm just trying to be informed. I wish they'de both tell the truth and stop being so partisan.

Dolphins9954
09-27-2008, 06:55 PM
:sidelol::sidelol::sidelol: Ican only hope you don't include me in that. I'm just trying to be informed. I wish they'de both tell the truth and stop being so partisan.


That would be a good first step. One could only dream.

MDFINFAN
09-29-2008, 12:20 AM
So if your single and working class your taxes are going up under Obama.
Also take into account that Obama would add another 4 to 5 trillion to the debt. Even with his High "Patriotic" taxes on the rich. The fact remains that Obama would have a huge shortfall of money when it comes to his budget. Where is that money going to come from?

Okay, how much will McCain's plan add to the debt?

MDFINFAN
09-29-2008, 12:21 AM
Isn't more spending, more debt and more loss of liberty the same path?


I better watch what I say. The "truth squad" might get me.

http://www.kmov.com/video/index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1

And this is the funny part, no one cares about the truth anymore, I'm glad to see the show me state still does..:lol:

Dolphins9954
09-29-2008, 11:01 AM
Okay, how much will McCain's plan add to the debt?


Like I said many times before. They both will add 4 to 5 trillion to the debt. So it doesn't matter which way you go. Record amounts of debt is all they have to offer us. Neither candidate can pay for their budgets. When Obama tells you he can. He's lying. I wonder if I should send the "truth squad" after him and get him arrested.

Dolphins9954
09-29-2008, 11:05 AM
And this is the funny part, no one cares about the truth anymore, I'm glad to see the show me state still does..:lol:


This message has been approved by Obama's truth squad. The Gestapo will not come after you. For now that is...........