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MoFinz
09-30-2008, 04:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9b0xr06qA

These same kids can't say The Pledge of Allegiance, but they can sing their Allegiance to Obama..........scary scary stuff.

Really, i'd love it if they were singing for change for our country ...but then saying that one man is going to change things.......very disturbing to me.

FinFatale
09-30-2008, 08:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9b0xr06qA

These same kids can't say The Pledge of Allegiance, but they can sing their Allegiance to Obama..........scary scary stuff.

Really, i'd love it if they were singing for change for our country ...but then saying that one man is going to change things.......very disturbing to me.


It's distrubing to me as well. It bothers when
" anyone " is held as some sort of savior... it only lends to people needing " someone " to save them, instead of learning how to to " save " themselves. It's just about more and more dependance on government and it makes me want to......can I say hurl in here????????????? LOL

Tetragrammaton
09-30-2008, 08:47 PM
Damn you MoFinz. You made me watch the entire thing to see kids not knowing how to sing the Pledge.

I don't know if it is scary, just a bit obnoxious. Don't these parents have better things to do than indoctrinate their children? A 5 year old cannot comprehend the issues of the election.

Dolphins9954
09-30-2008, 08:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9b0xr06qA

These same kids can't say The Pledge of Allegiance, but they can sing their Allegiance to Obama..........scary scary stuff.

Really, i'd love it if they were singing for change for our country ...but then saying that one man is going to change things.......very disturbing to me.


This is classic propaganda. I know I will get burned for this. But my first reaction was "Hitler Youth". Sorry that's what I felt. My bad. I don't like people using children for political gain. These kids have no clue about the issues going on right now. There forced by their parents to sing this crap. I would feel the exact same thing if they were singing about Mccain. Leave the kids alone.

BlueFin
09-30-2008, 09:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9b0xr06qA

These same kids can't say The Pledge of Allegiance, but they can sing their Allegiance to Obama..........scary scary stuff.

Really, i'd love it if they were singing for change for our country ...but then saying that one man is going to change things.......very disturbing to me.

haha......they start brainwashing them young out in California don't they?

Its like the Hitler youth or some of those Muslim video's you see where the young children are attacking stuffed dolls made up to look like an American president.

I personally consider it child abuse to do this to children at that age, when they are far to young understand anything about politics or reality for that matter.

ih8brady
09-30-2008, 09:47 PM
It's distrubing to me as well. It bothers when
" anyone " is held as some sort of savior... it only lends to people needing " someone " to save them, instead of learning how to to " save " themselves. It's just about more and more dependance on government and it makes me want to......can I say hurl in here????????????? LOL


One of the best posts I ever read....now let's extend this wisdom not just to Harvard scholars and anchormen, but also historical figures with no evidence of his or her existence.

MDFINFAN
09-30-2008, 09:53 PM
Now I see what this is about for a lot of you, it's the muslim, inspirational thing..because this man inspires ppl it ticks some of you off, because the man is intelligent it ticks some of you guys off., because ppl really like\love the guy it ticks some of you off.. but I notice when the same things were said or done to Reagan, you don't get the same reaction for you guys... I see what's going on now...sad, just sad..

ih8brady
09-30-2008, 10:01 PM
Now I see what this is about for a lot of you, it's the muslim, inspirational thing..because this man inspires ppl it ticks some of you off, because the man is intelligent it ticks some of you guys off., because ppl really like\love the guy it ticks some of you off.. but I notice when the same things were said or done to Reagan, you don't get the same reaction for you guys... I see what's going on now...sad, just sad..


Shall we dare suggest people work to improve their own lives rather than waiting for someone else to rescue them? Well, I will.

MDFINFAN
09-30-2008, 10:05 PM
Shall we dare suggest people work to improve their own lives rather than waiting for someone else to rescue them? Well, I will.

I don't think anyone does think that way...but we'll always have a small part of our society that will want others to help...let's see, oh wait, it's happening now..on wall street..:up:

MoFinz
09-30-2008, 11:13 PM
Now I see what this is about for a lot of you, it's the muslim, inspirational thing..because this man inspires ppl it ticks some of you off, because the man is intelligent it ticks some of you guys off., because ppl really like\love the guy it ticks some of you off.. but I notice when the same things were said or done to Reagan, you don't get the same reaction for you guys... I see what's going on now...sad, just sad..


i never saw this kind of stuff done for Reagan. How in the heck could you even begin to draw a comparison there? I'm not sure i get where youre going with the muslim comparison either. Do you really think i dont like him because of his color or religion?
Like it was mentioned earlier, my first reaction was youth indoctrination. It just scares the crap out of me that people pimp their kids like this for a politician, yet ask for the kids to recite the pledge or have a moment of silence and all of a sudden it's a violation.

Dolphins9954
10-01-2008, 12:18 AM
Now I see what this is about for a lot of you, it's the muslim, inspirational thing..because this man inspires ppl it ticks some of you off, because the man is intelligent it ticks some of you guys off., because ppl really like\love the guy it ticks some of you off.. but I notice when the same things were said or done to Reagan, you don't get the same reaction for you guys... I see what's going on now...sad, just sad..



MD this video is creepy and scary regardless of who it is their singing for. It's propaganda. Nothing else. These kids have no clue what so ever what's going on. Their parents are forcing them to do this. I wonder if they got paid for this? It just doesn't sit well with me to see this nonsense. If the "free speech" zones and "truth squads" wasn't enough. Now this. This screams of Big Brother and 1984. I'm scared for our future.

Dolphins9954
10-01-2008, 10:08 AM
Check out two new revised versions of this video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVd-IPJIxA4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Ww2HVmY8I&feature=related



You know what's weird. I can't get the video now from the link mofinz provided. It says that it's private now. Is this happening to anyone else? I'm trying to find another link to it. With no luck. Can someone provide a new link please. I wonder if Obama's "truth squad" got to it.

Update= The video is getting pulled from youtube. Looks like censorship and damage control. Every link I come across says that the video is no longer available or pulled from user. I'm trying to get a new link. If anyone has one please link it. Thanks.

2nd Update= The video now works. That was weird. All morning I couldn't get the video. Anyways did anyone notice the drawing in the background. It looked just like japan's WW2 battle flag. Scary stuff.

Mr772
10-01-2008, 11:05 AM
Just because some creepy parents are putting their kids up to this dosen't mean any candidate is funding it or endorsing it like some infer.

Regardless of who is behind this it is quite disturbing.

BlueFin
10-01-2008, 11:56 AM
Now I see what this is about for a lot of you, it's the muslim, inspirational thing..because this man inspires ppl it ticks some of you off, because the man is intelligent it ticks some of you guys off., because ppl really like\love the guy it ticks some of you off.. but I notice when the same things were said or done to Reagan, you don't get the same reaction for you guys... I see what's going on now...sad, just sad..

Oh there you go again MD.

I thinks its stretching credibility to suggest very small children have any concept of this nations troubles or which candidate can better resolve them, do you actually argue with that?

They are clealy being used by their liberal parents as pawns in all this, and that should bother you.

phinfan3411
10-01-2008, 12:03 PM
Now I see what this is about for a lot of you, it's the muslim, inspirational thing..because this man inspires ppl it ticks some of you off, because the man is intelligent it ticks some of you guys off., because ppl really like\love the guy it ticks some of you off.. but I notice when the same things were said or done to Reagan, you don't get the same reaction for you guys... I see what's going on now...sad, just sad..


MD, I love you brother, but with that said, sometimes I don't know what the hell your talking about.

poornate
10-01-2008, 12:20 PM
i never saw this kind of stuff done for Reagan. How in the heck could you even begin to draw a comparison there? I'm not sure i get where youre going with the muslim comparison either. Do you really think i dont like him because of his color or religion?
Like it was mentioned earlier, my first reaction was youth indoctrination. It just scares the crap out of me that people pimp their kids like this for a politician, yet ask for the kids to recite the pledge or have a moment of silence and all of a sudden it's a violation.

I agree about this being for one man, not the nation... but you all keep mentioning the Pledge... which was instituted as an indoctrination tool in the Cold War.... BTW... the Pledge was written by a Socialist activist... History just repeats, repeats.... Isn't it funny how the Conservatives adopted the recitation of a far left liberal socialist as a rally cry....

MoFinz
10-01-2008, 12:43 PM
MD, I love you brother, but with that said, sometimes I don't know what the hell your talking about.


Im still waiting for him to explain that post to me as well.

jared81
10-01-2008, 03:15 PM
i dare to think what would be said if this was about a republican canidate

Dolphan7
10-01-2008, 03:46 PM
I agree about this being for one man, not the nation... but you all keep mentioning the Pledge... which was instituted as an indoctrination tool in the Cold War.... BTW... the Pledge was written by a Socialist activist... History just repeats, repeats.... Isn't it funny how the Conservatives adopted the recitation of a far left liberal socialist as a rally cry....
The Pledge of Allegiance as a tool indoctrinating our children into Patriotism and a sense of unity as a country,


verses indoctrinating them into a ideology or specific person or party, which is just another way to divide our country.

Dolphins9954
10-01-2008, 04:19 PM
Just because some creepy parents are putting their kids up to this dosen't mean any candidate is funding it or endorsing it like some infer.

Regardless of who is behind this it is quite disturbing.


It was on Obama's website. But now it's showing up as in error.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/HopeTacos/gG59KJ

Looks like they got wind of all the negative backlash and pulled it from their own site. And there was an attempt earlier to get it pulled from youtube. I witnessed that myself.

MDFINFAN
10-01-2008, 04:21 PM
Oh there you go again MD.

I thinks its stretching credibility to suggest very small children have any concept of this nations troubles or which candidate can better resolve them, do you actually argue with that?

They are clealy being used by their liberal parents as pawns in all this, and that should bother you.

I don't disagree these kids are being used by their parents to say Obama, but all this creeps me out this and creeps me out that is rediculous...We have DC airport renamed to Reagan Nat's airport, we have Reagan building building built, half the nation has Reagan renames and over done it, builts all over and i don't hear wow, that creeps me out.. Reagan transferred 500 billion dollars from the middle to the upper class, and we didn't call that wealth redistribution...that's creeps me out.

Dolphins9954
10-01-2008, 05:03 PM
I don't disagree these kids are being used by their parents to say Obama, but all this creeps me out this and creeps me out that is rediculous...We have DC airport renamed to Reagan Nat's airport, we have Reagan building building built, half the nation has Reagan renames and over done it, builts all over and i don't hear wow, that creeps me out.. Reagan transferred 500 billion dollars from the middle to the upper class, and we didn't call that wealth redistribution...that's creeps me out.


Reagan was a two term president. That might have something to do with it. Even Carter who was a one term president has plently of things named after him. Doesn't Carter have a Nuclear Sub named after him? I don't agree with everything Reagan did. Nor do I really like him. But I understand why things are named after him. That's pretty normal for ex presidents. And one more thing. Reagan is dead. What does that have to do with this video. I think your trying to deflect the topic of this video by attacking something else that has nothing to do with this video. I never saw "Hitler Youth" videos under Reagan. So there is no comparison. This video is creepy and scary. First you have "Free Speech" zones. Then "Truth Squads". Now Hitler Youth. The writing is on the wall.

phinfan3411
10-01-2008, 05:37 PM
Reagan was a two term president. That might have something to do with it. Even Carter who was a one term president has plently of things named after him. Doesn't Carter have a Nuclear Sub named after him? I don't agree with everything Reagan did. Nor do I really like him. But I understand why things are named after him. That's pretty normal for ex presidents. And one more thing. Reagan is dead. What does that have to do with this video. I think your trying to deflect the topic of this video by attacking something else that has nothing to do with this video. I never saw "Hitler Youth" videos under Reagan. So there is no comparison. This video is creepy and scary. First you have "Free Speech" zones. Then "Truth Squads". Now Hitler Youth. The writing is on the wall.


It is true, the man has a point, the "truth squad" in particular bothers me to no end.

Heil Obama!

lemonpepperfish
10-01-2008, 07:52 PM
Yeah, what crazy kids. Must be obama's fault. Palin can't even parent her own kids and you are blaming obama for children he has never met. Man, do you guys really believe your own arguements. I heard those on the right are ten times more likely to argue for something they don't believe in just to keep their party line then the left. Crazy! Why is the republican right this way? Can this many people be blind, or are they brainwashed, or am i just crazy? Maybe i'm wrong. Hell, logic, who needs it?

Dolphins9954
10-01-2008, 07:59 PM
I've been doing some research. And it turns out there is a flood of these Pro-Obama propaganda videos. With kids being forced by their parents to do. This is sad. Can we stop using children for political gain. It's disgusting.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA_oPtsX2ew&feature=rec-fresh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnOXbi_rvms&feature=related


Here is a video done by adults for a "change" that is just as disturbing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q9nTfXh1eQ&feature=related


I have never seen such madness. It's almost as if Obama is the second coming.

Dolphins9954
10-01-2008, 08:02 PM
Yeah, what crazy kids. Must be obama's fault. Palin can't even parent her own kids and you are blaming obama for children he has never met. Man, do you guys really believe your own arguements. I heard those on the right are ten times more likely to argue for something they don't believe in just to keep their party line then the left. Crazy! Why is the republican right this way? Can this many people be blind, or are they brainwashed, or am i just crazy? Maybe i'm wrong. Hell, logic, who needs it?


What the hell does Palin parenting her kids have to do with this? Can you say deflection? It was on Obama's website by the way. So you like this video?

FinFatale
10-01-2008, 08:04 PM
Yeah, what crazy kids. Must be obama's fault. Palin can't even parent her own kids and you are blaming obama for children he has never met. Man, do you guys really believe your own arguements. I heard those on the right are ten times more likely to argue for something they don't believe in just to keep their party line then the left. Crazy! Why is the republican right this way? Can this many people be blind, or are they brainwashed, or am i just crazy? Maybe i'm wrong. Hell, logic, who needs it?

I don't see a post here blaming what those children were doing on Senator Obama. Where did you get that idea??? it's the parents I see this being blamed not Senator Obama...............

MoFinz
10-01-2008, 08:33 PM
I don't see a post here blaming what those children were doing on Senator Obama. Where did you get that idea??? it's the parents I see this being blamed not Senator Obama...............


Ignore it.....it doesnt have a point besides trying to stir up trouble and complaining about its portfolio.

The fact is, that video is disturbing on many levels. It's like all those parents bought into Pelosi's assessment of Obama as God sent to save us all. And they can teach their children what they want, but i never want to hear a complaint about cults & sects and what they teach their kids if you think that is OK.

FinFatale
10-01-2008, 08:35 PM
Ignore it.....it doesnt have a point besides trying to stir up trouble and complaining about its portfolio.

The fact is, that video is disturbing on many levels. It's like all those parents bought into Pelosi's assessment of Obama as God sent to save us all. And they can teach their children what they want, but i never want to hear a complaint about cults & sects and what they teach their kids if you think that is OK.

I agree.

Tetragrammaton
10-01-2008, 10:04 PM
Why must my allies try and defend this? It is terrible to indoctrinate children, regardless.

poornate
10-01-2008, 10:14 PM
Who's defending it?

MDFINFAN
10-01-2008, 11:07 PM
Reagan was a two term president. That might have something to do with it. Even Carter who was a one term president has plently of things named after him. Doesn't Carter have a Nuclear Sub named after him? I don't agree with everything Reagan did. Nor do I really like him. But I understand why things are named after him. That's pretty normal for ex presidents. And one more thing. Reagan is dead. What does that have to do with this video. I think your trying to deflect the topic of this video by attacking something else that has nothing to do with this video. I never saw "Hitler Youth" videos under Reagan. So there is no comparison. This video is creepy and scary. First you have "Free Speech" zones. Then "Truth Squads". Now Hitler Youth. The writing is on the wall.

Okay, Clinton was a 2 term president too....do you see the same for him?
These kids are just singing a song, I'm sure an adult wrote, the parents could have said no.. I don't think the song rises to the level of creepy, unless you're a mccain supporter.. wow..duh...:up: These kids are being trained to worship Obama, something you guys are so scare of.. ppl worshiping Obama, no, it's called inspired, you guys don't seem to get that.. there's a big difference..

Dolphins9954
10-01-2008, 11:47 PM
Okay, Clinton was a 2 term president too....do you see the same for him?
These kids are just singing a song, I'm sure an adult wrote, the parents could have said no.. I don't think the song rises to the level of creepy, unless you're a mccain supporter.. wow..duh...:up: These kids are being trained to worship Obama, something you guys are so scare of.. ppl worshiping Obama, no, it's called inspired, you guys don't seem to get that.. there's a big difference..

You're right. I'm scared of people worshiping Obama. Not my thing. You could have replaced the lyrics with Bush and got the same effect. These children weren't "inspired" to make this video. Their parents put them up to this. There is a pattern here. From "Free Speech" zones. To "Truth Squads". Now this. This stinks of Fascism. Just as if I went outside and stepped on a big pile of it.

Obama isn't going to "change" anything. In fact we will have a continuation of debt, spending, bailouts, big government, inflation, war and loss of liberties. I thought Bush was bad enough. Looks like there's more to come. So it bothers me to see kids who haven't the slightest clue sing this propaganda about change. And Yes we can can can. It's bad enough to hear adults sing and talk this nonsense. Leave the kids out of it. Fascists are the ones. That have free speech zones, truth squads and use kids in this manner.

MDFINFAN
10-01-2008, 11:58 PM
You're right. I'm scared of people worshiping Obama. Not my thing. You could have replaced the lyrics with Bush and got the same effect. These children weren't "inspired" to make this video. Their parents put them up to this. There is a pattern here. From "Free Speech" zones. To "Truth Squads". Now this. This stinks of Fascism. Just as if I went outside and stepped on a big pile of it.

Obama isn't going to "change" anything. In fact we will have a continuation of debt, spending, bailouts, big government, inflation, war and loss of liberties. I thought Bush was bad enough. Looks like there's more to come. So it bothers me to see kids who haven't the slightest clue sing this propaganda about change. And Yes we can can can. It's bad enough to hear adults sing and talk this nonsense. Leave the kids out of it. Fascists are the ones. That have free speech zones, truth squads and use kids in this manner.

Wow, I point out that ppl aren't worshipping Obama and all you did was highlight worship..which is what's not going on.. Inspiration..have you guys what that was like.. when I was a kid, Kennedy use to inspire ppl.. I would say reagan inspired ppl..., even Clinton did it... I guess it's been so long, you guys hate to see someone else inspire ppl..which is stupid..Our leaders should inspire.. If some take that inspiration and write a song.. I don't seeing that being creepy or even rising to the level of creepy...this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard... or is it that you can't stand for it to be Obama inspiring ppl...for whatever reason you guys have a problem with that..:up:

lemonpepperfish
10-02-2008, 12:05 AM
Hey, wasn't our Pope a Hitler youth? Lay off the kids, man.

Dolphins9954
10-02-2008, 12:15 AM
Wow, I point out that ppl aren't worshipping Obama and all you did was highlight worship..which is what's not going on.. Inspiration..have you guys what that was like.. when I was a kid, Kennedy use to inspire ppl.. I would say reagan inspired ppl..., even Clinton did it... I guess it's been so long, you guys hate to see someone else inspire ppl..which is stupid..Our leaders should inspire.. If some take that inspiration and write a song.. I don't seeing that being creepy or even rising to the level of creepy...this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard... or is it that you can't stand for it to be Obama inspiring ppl...for whatever reason you guys have a problem with that..:up:


One more time.

The kids weren't inspired to do this. Their parents made them do this. If the parents were so inspired they should have sung this song themselves. And not drag out their kids to be used as political tools. You seem to missing the whole point here. Obama is not going to bring change. Neither is Mccain. At least with Mccain you know he's full of it. With Obama. People actually believe his BS. And that's scary to me. You guys actually believe this nonsense in the song. Change and Yes we can are the chants. When the reality is Obama will not change anything. We will get the same exact result. I don't like seeing kids used to spread propaganda and untruths. We got enough adults for that.

MDFINFAN
10-02-2008, 01:11 AM
One more time.

The kids weren't inspired to do this. Their parents made them do this. If the parents were so inspired they should have sung this song themselves. And not drag out their kids to be used as political tools. You seem to missing the whole point here. Obama is not going to bring change. Neither is Mccain. At least with Mccain you know he's full of it. With Obama. People actually believe his BS. And that's scary to me. You guys actually believe this nonsense in the song. Change and Yes we can are the chants. When the reality is Obama will not change anything. We will get the same exact result. I don't like seeing kids used to spread propaganda and untruths. We got enough adults for that.

And what evidence do you have that the kids parents made them do it?

Again, it's not about kids singing a song..there's plenty songs kids have song that were inspired by a human being.. I'm not fighting your stance on the canidates, I know how you feel.. I don't know if what you feel is true, not saying it can't be. But to say kids, who weren't exactly 2-5 years old couldn't sing a song about an inspirational leader is a bit disingenious.. The guy does inspire period.. Some of his speeches are very powerful.. Ppl don't come out like that to hear someone's boring junk, so a person who knows how to deliever a speech and says things that give them hope.....hope that someone will represent them, until he doesn't represent them, then you have to give him, like any other presidents we've elected, the benefit of a doubt.
That's would ppl miss... it's easiler to say he's worshipped then to understand he inspires ppl..and there's a world of a difference between worship and inspired.. I've never seen so much hate because of it.. it's sickening to read a lot of the bs person post, just because McCain doesn't do the same..

BlueFin
10-02-2008, 11:19 AM
And what evidence do you have that the kids parents made them do it?

Again, it's not about kids singing a song..there's plenty songs kids have song that were inspired by a human being.. I'm not fighting your stance on the canidates, I know how you feel.. I don't know if what you feel is true, not saying it can't be. But to say kids, who weren't exactly 2-5 years old couldn't sing a song about an inspirational leader is a bit disingenious.. The guy does inspire period.. Some of his speeches are very powerful.. Ppl don't come out like that to hear someone's boring junk, so a person who knows how to deliever a speech and says things that give them hope.....hope that someone will represent them, until he doesn't represent them, then you have to give him, like any other presidents we've elected, the benefit of a doubt.
That's would ppl miss... it's easiler to say he's worshipped then to understand he inspires ppl..and there's a world of a difference between worship and inspired.. I've never seen so much hate because of it.. it's sickening to read a lot of the bs person post, just because McCain doesn't do the same..

Oh right, I see elementary kids all the time get inspired politically, make up T-shirts and write a political song to support the candidate of their choice. In fact, instead of storytime now, they take turns talking politics in class.....just admit it is what it is MD.

Dolphins9954
10-02-2008, 11:21 AM
And what evidence do you have that the kids parents made them do it?

Again, it's not about kids singing a song..there's plenty songs kids have song that were inspired by a human being.. I'm not fighting your stance on the canidates, I know how you feel.. I don't know if what you feel is true, not saying it can't be. But to say kids, who weren't exactly 2-5 years old couldn't sing a song about an inspirational leader is a bit disingenious.. The guy does inspire period.. Some of his speeches are very powerful.. Ppl don't come out like that to hear someone's boring junk, so a person who knows how to deliever a speech and says things that give them hope.....hope that someone will represent them, until he doesn't represent them, then you have to give him, like any other presidents we've elected, the benefit of a doubt.
That's would ppl miss... it's easiler to say he's worshipped then to understand he inspires ppl..and there's a world of a difference between worship and inspired.. I've never seen so much hate because of it.. it's sickening to read a lot of the bs person post, just because McCain doesn't do the same..



So what exactly is Obama inspiring people for. What exactly is the change and hope these Hitler Youth are singing about.

That Obama will add 4 to 5 trillion dollars of debt?
That Obama will bailout the Rich?
That Obama supports giving more power to the government and Federal Reserve?
That Obama will vote to take away their freedoms and liberties with the Patriot Act and FISA?
That Obama will destroy their currency with Inflation?
That Obama will not end the war in Iraq?
That Obama will have war with Iran?
That Obama would attack Pakistan without permission?
That Obama would have "free speech" zones?
That Obama would have "truth squads"?
That Obama will continue to take money from Lobbyists and Special Interests?

And that's the point. For the third time. Obama is not changing anything. We will have more debt, big government, inflation, War, bailouts, and loss of liberties. So all these people that are "inspired". Have been fooled. Obama is not change and hope. Obama is the same exact thing as Bush and Mccain. And that's what gets me. Is that people will force their children into spreading these lies about Obama. And fool their own children in the process. I know that you like Obama and believe the nonsense that comes out of his mouth. (From Scripts and Teleprompters by the way). Just don't use your children as political pawns and tools. Let them make their own minds up when their old enough. And not fill them up with propaganda and lies.

We don't need a Savior. We need real change. And not another politician fooling people once again.

phinfan3411
10-02-2008, 12:07 PM
Best to keep certain things to a PM to a poster if you have strong feelings about their personal claims.


Yeah, what crazy kids. Must be obama's fault. Palin can't even parent her own kids and you are blaming obama for children he has never met. Man, do you guys really believe your own arguements. I heard those on the right are ten times more likely to argue for something they don't believe in just to keep their party line then the left. Crazy! Why is the republican right this way? Can this many people be blind, or are they brainwashed, or am i just crazy? Maybe i'm wrong. Hell, logic, who needs it?

**REMOVED**

After being forced to read your intoxicating posts, I have a sneaking suspicion you are liberal through, and through. Now, I am not saying that is necessarily a bad thing, but keep it real, and enjoy the debate we have going on in here, if you want a model poster to learn from (as I do), look no further than Wayward Zest.

Dolphins9954
10-02-2008, 09:59 PM
Looks like the "truth squad" is hard at work. The original link has been pulled. It also has been pulled from Obama's website. Here is a link that's working for now. Who knows for how long. Why is this video getting pulled? Very interesting.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHTM2rqhPxs