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MDFINFAN
10-02-2008, 01:40 AM
This is what I mean, someone from Chicago who knows Obama and isn't voting for him in the general because he's a republican, at least he's not telling anyone he's voting for Obama.. So all these associations and character assinations are just that..BS.

Chicago Republican Sen. Kirk Dillard, who took office in 1993, says he gravitated to Obama when the rookie arrived in Springfield in 1997.


Intensely competitive, Obama typically saves his fiercest battles for the Scrabble board, the basketball court, or the golf course. He has navigated his political career in a way that has created few real enemies. “If Barack has any enemies out there, they come from just sheer jealously,” says Illinois state senator Kirk Dillard, a Republican. “I don’t believe he has any enemies who have a good reason.”


“Obama has a great intellect and the leadership characteristics of our great American presidents,” said state Sen. Kirk Dillard, a Republican who befriended Obama in Springfield. “But the unknown is the administrative and foreign policy experience.”

While Dillard expects to support the GOP presidential nominee, “I would not lose a night’s sleep worrying about my young children’s future if Senator Obama were my president because I know he would probably surround himself, like Ronald Reagan, with exceptionally experienced people.”

And he's said plenty more..

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/republican-il-senator-kirk-dillard-on-barack-obama/

The_Dark_Knight
10-02-2008, 02:21 AM
I'm not understanding your point MD.

phinfan3411
10-02-2008, 07:13 AM
His point is that unless you see it his way, you are a un-informed, idiotic, racist person, who was probably homeschooled, and haven't a clue as to what is really going on.

All of the people that he has associated with, and I do not like (Rezcko, Wright, Ayers i'm forgetting a few), are all good germans, errr I mean good Americans, that are very misunderstood, and even if they are not misunderstood, he didn't agree with them anyway.

phinfan3411
10-02-2008, 07:17 AM
Oh, i'm sorry, you have found a republican that likes him, well, I didn't see that. This, obviously changes everything for me.

You get on the Dolphin Diva for her posts, and you make one of these up? Should we make a post of all the different dems that like McCain? Should we start with your VP candidate?

MoFinz
10-02-2008, 08:46 AM
apparently now if you dont like Obama your a racist and jealous too.

Sorry man, not one your better threads

Mr772
10-02-2008, 09:19 AM
His point is that unless you see it his way, you are a un-informed, idiotic, racist person, who was probably homeschooled, and haven't a clue as to what is really going on.

All of the people that he has associated with, and I do not like (Rezcko, Wright, Ayers i'm forgetting a few), are all good germans, errr I mean good Americans, that are very misunderstood, and even if they are not misunderstood, he didn't agree with them anyway.

I hope you're not serious?

The message is that people who know him and have worked with him, even those that have different ideologies respect him and think he would be a good leader for our nation. When the repubs elected officials who are voting for McCain tell you they wouldn't loose sleep at night knowing Obama was the pres then why are you so caught up in the Ayers, Wright smear? I think it's because you fell into the campaign propaganda.

I think MD is taking a shot at all the fear and hysteria generated by those who don't know much about Obama and resort to fear tactics calling him a Muslim terrorist, or socialist brain washer and other BS of the like.

milldog
10-02-2008, 09:24 AM
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT UP MO? Seems everyone's a little fired up today!

phinfan3411
10-02-2008, 09:58 AM
I hope you're not serious?

The message is that people who know him and have worked with him, even those that have different ideologies respect him and think he would be a good leader for our nation. When the repubs elected officials who are voting for McCain tell you they wouldn't loose sleep at night knowing Obama was the pres then why are you so caught up in the Ayers, Wright smear? I think it's because you fell into the campaign propaganda.

I think MD is taking a shot at all the fear and hysteria generated by those who don't know much about Obama and resort to fear tactics calling him a Muslim terrorist, or socialist brain washer and other BS of the like.


You mean as serious as you were when I called Obama a piece of trash like the rest of them, and you took from what I said that it was a racist comment. My point is MD continuously (read his posts) implies that people that do not agree with him are stupid or racist, do not believe me, just read his last few hundred posts, and see what I mean. I am tired of being called racist, and stupid, end if story.

Tetragrammaton
10-02-2008, 10:04 AM
Is there racism in this election? Absolutely. But the majority of the conservatives here would have opposed him if he was Kerry, Gore, or Hillary, so I think you are a bit off base.

There are racists here, but they aren't the most active conservative posters.

BlueFin
10-02-2008, 10:42 AM
This is what I mean, someone from Chicago who knows Obama and isn't voting for him in the general because he's a republican, at least he's not telling anyone he's voting for Obama.. So all these associations and character assinations are just that..BS.

Chicago Republican Sen. Kirk Dillard, who took office in 1993, says he gravitated to Obama when the rookie arrived in Springfield in 1997.





And he's said plenty more..

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/republican-il-senator-kirk-dillard-on-barack-obama/

Sounds like a close friend who is forced to say publically that he will probably support his party, but will closet vote for Barrack and wants to see him win.....he'll probably get some kind of cabinet post in an Obama Administration.

The Chicago papers have done articles on these affiliations and wonder why the nation is giving him such a pass on them.

This is really no different than Leiberman supporting McCain, and none of you place any substance in that.

BlueFin
10-02-2008, 10:51 AM
Is there racism in this election? Absolutely. But the majority of the conservatives here would have opposed him if he was Kerry, Gore, or Hillary, so I think you are a bit off base.

There are racists here, but they aren't the most active conservative posters.

On this we agree, although I have some issues with Colin Powell, I would have no worrys about his presidency or more specifically that he was a Black racist. I would have no problem voting for Condoleeza Rice, I also feel she is not a racist.

With Obama, its the many affiliations that bother me, a pattern of getting involved with nearly anyone. With Obama, as the threadstarter stated, how can you be sure? For example, how can you be sure that his fathers militant idea's, and the racism of Wright and others are not shared deep down in Obama's core?

None of this was helped by some of Obama's comments, his wifes comments, or the fact that he didn't back away from Wright until Hillary called him out.

MoFinz
10-02-2008, 11:26 AM
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT UP MO? Seems everyone's a little fired up today!

I know....i am not getting MD lately though. I asked him a question in another thread about a reply he made and he never did answer it.

Looks like a lot of people are on edge :rolleyes:

MDFINFAN
10-02-2008, 11:38 AM
You mean as serious as you were when I called Obama a piece of trash like the rest of them, and you took from what I said that it was a racist comment. My point is MD continuously (read his posts) implies that people that do not agree with him are stupid or racist, do not believe me, just read his last few hundred posts, and see what I mean. I am tired of being called racist, and stupid, end if story.

WRONG

I've never called anyone a racist, that's not even a part of my thought pattern, if a person feels I am, that's because they have issues period. What this whole thread is about is that I've jump on ppl for saying things about Obama's associations, the muslim thing, saying he's a racist because of a church... What I've consistently stressed was that no one from chicago is saying this.. My posts implies p3411 is that it's ignorant for anyone who doesn't live in chicago, and only take the 3 or 4 people that his enemies like to put in your face and say that's Obama..it completely ignores other ppl he knows or associates with.. It's like saying he only knows these 3 or 4 people, and only they can influence him...that's stupid if you want to go there, so if you're getting a stupid call out of me, it would be based on that. So my points are for the 3 or 4 associations that weren't considered "quote unquote" good associations, what about probably the other thousand that are probably considered 'quote unquote" good associations... I picked a republican and a gentleman older than Obama because 1. He's from chicago, 2. He knows Obama better than any of us. 3. I felt he'd have better credibility with McCain supporters since he's a delegate for McCain, but fair.
4. He back up my points about hearing from ppl who are on the opposite side of Obama and can give an objective view of Obama from his home state.
5. He feels Obama works for the good of the ppl and not for associations..

btw, p3411, my invite for you to come to DC is still open and you can still stay at my house... with your racist self..:sidelol::sidelol: Racist..oh my brother... you missed my points completely.

MDFINFAN
10-02-2008, 11:39 AM
I know....i am not getting MD lately though. I asked him a question in another thread about a reply he made and he never did answer it.

Looks like a lot of people are on edge :rolleyes:

I'm sorry I must have missed your post..what question was that?