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dlockz
10-21-2008, 11:32 AM
I mean he does lead the league in rushing tds now. I just love how reactinary statements like this sound. I will say though Clinton Portis has been a beast and is looking like an MVP this season and Adrian peterson still is beconming the elite back in the league.

Rdskn4lyf21
10-21-2008, 12:18 PM
Clinton Portis by far (not that I'm biased or anything).

The man leads the league in rushing, is second in the league with rushing TDs, and is the best blocking back in the league.

Lendale is at 3.9 a carry while CP is at 5.0 - you don't call a player the best in the league because he gets more TDs than someone else.....that's absurd.

burger13
10-21-2008, 12:22 PM
Clinton Portis by far (not that I'm biased or anything).

The man leads the league in rushing, is second in the league with rushing TDs, and is the best blocking back in the league.

Lendale is at 3.9 a carry while CP is at 5.0 - you don't call a player the best in the league because he gets more TDs than someone else.....that's absurd.

good job picking up on the sarcasm. :up:

he's mocking Dolphins fans who were calling Ronnie the best back in the league because he was leading in rushing TD's.

As for Portis being the best back in the league....you could certainly make the argument....but 'by far'? Hardly. He is having the best season, but that doesn't automatically make you the best back.

dlockz
10-21-2008, 12:36 PM
good job picking up on the sarcasm. :up:

he's mocking Dolphins fans who were calling Ronnie the best back in the league because he was leading in rushing TD's.

As for Portis being the best back in the league....you could certainly make the argument....but 'by far'? Hardly. He is having the best season, but that doesn't automatically make you the best back.


i think you can say by far. He is averaging 116 yards a game, 5.0 per carry and has 7 tds. Nobody is close at this point.

dlockz
10-21-2008, 12:37 PM
Clinton Portis by far (not that I'm biased or anything).

The man leads the league in rushing, is second in the league with rushing TDs, and is the best blocking back in the league.

Lendale is at 3.9 a carry while CP is at 5.0 - you don't call a player the best in the league because he gets more TDs than someone else.....that's absurd.


Burger was right. I was being sarcastic. At this point CP is doing what we wish our backs could do(although we have very good backs).

Rdskn4lyf21
10-21-2008, 05:46 PM
Burger was right. I was being sarcastic. At this point CP is doing what we wish our backs could do(although we have very good backs).

:lol:

Sorry I missed it bro. I've seen a lot, I mean a LOT of stupid things said on message boards, especially ours lately, so I'm never sure :D

dlockz
10-21-2008, 05:47 PM
:lol:

Sorry I missed it bro. I've seen a lot, I mean a LOT of stupid things said on message boards, especially ours lately, so I'm never sure :D

Yea the Ronnie is the best back in the league have got real quiet now. Cant we just be happy we have a good back without annointing him until he proves something.

Gonzo
10-21-2008, 07:06 PM
I mean he does lead the league in rushing tds now. I just love how reactinary statements like this sound. I will say though Clinton Portis has been a beast and is looking like an MVP this season and Adrian peterson still is beconming the elite back in the league.Another thread devoted to knocking fellow Phin fans and Phin players? Shocking. :up:

dlockz
10-22-2008, 12:24 PM
Another thread devoted to knocking fellow Phin fans and Phin players? Shocking. :up:


not knocking Ronnie just saying he is not the best back in the league. Any fan that thinks Ronnie is the best in the league is not using good judgement and is using his heart and not his head. There are alot of threads attacking Crowder as a player and yet you dont come out and say anything about it. I give credit where credit is due. just because Im a fan that does not make any player on my team the best.

Gonzo
10-22-2008, 01:30 PM
not knocking Ronnie just saying he is not the best back in the league. Any fan that thinks Ronnie is the best in the league is not using good judgement and is using his heart and not his head. There are alot of threads attacking Crowder as a player and yet you dont come out and say anything about it. I give credit where credit is due. just because Im a fan that does not make any player on my team the best.My bigger issue is with the constant need to attempt and call out fellow fans, especially those who have the audacity to get excited about a player on their favorite team. It's classless.

As for players, I don't have any problem with criticism, but I do notice when some seem fixated on only being critical. There's nothing wrong with it (so long as it doesn't lead to insults, which it rarely if ever does with you), just makes me wonder why some only see garbage when they look at the players on their favorite team, regardless of actual success...that is until they go somewhere else, at which point it becomes a horrible idea to have let them go.

Is Ronnie the best in the league? I don't think so (I don't think it's possible to say who is overall). Has he been successful? Absolutely. If he remains healthy, which is the big question obviously, I feel he is easily one of the best in the league.

Noodle Arm
10-22-2008, 01:38 PM
One thing is for sure, Lendale White is CLEARLY the fattest back in the league. I'm sure he's the top choice for the Dunkin Donut Athlete of the Year Award.

dlockz
10-22-2008, 01:48 PM
My bigger issue is with the constant need to attempt and call out fellow fans, especially those who have the audacity to get excited about a player on their favorite team. It's classless.

As for players, I don't have any problem with criticism, but I do notice when some seem fixated on only being critical. There's nothing wrong with it (so long as it doesn't lead to insults, which it rarely if ever does with you), just makes me wonder why some only see garbage when they look at the players on their favorite team, regardless of actual success...that is until they go somewhere else, at which point it becomes a horrible idea to have let them go.

Is Ronnie the best in the league? I don't think so (I don't think it's possible to say who is overall). Has he been successful? Absolutely. If he remains healthy, which is the big question obviously, I feel he is easily one of the best in the league.


There are some(a small amount) very classles people on this site and I would not think Im one of them. I am attacked constantly by people because I dont have a popular opinion and I just try to present facts at hand for them to either use or not. I like ronnie he is a good back but the facts are he is healthy and he is 21st in the league in rushing yards. Ronnie at this point is truly not in a serious debate for who is the best.

Gonzo
10-22-2008, 05:44 PM
There are some(a small amount) very classles people on this site and I would not think Im one of them. I am attacked constantly by people because I dont have a popular opinion and I just try to present facts at hand for them to either use or not. I like ronnie he is a good back but the facts are he is healthy and he is 21st in the league in rushing yards. Ronnie at this point is truly not in a serious debate for who is the best.That approach is no better than those who focus only on the number of touchdowns. It disregards the whole picture, which supports his status as one of the best, IMO. Yes, he's 21st in total rushing yards, but he's also 23rd in att/game at 14 (Williams has 10.7, which shows a pretty decent split of carries). Despite that, he's tied for 2nd in touchdowns, 6th for first downs, and has zero fumbles (knock on wood).

Sorry, but I just don't see what people have to complain about other than the fact that he could maybe get more carries and be involved in the passing game more, which he excelled at last year. That's a playcalling issue though, not a Ronnie Brown issue.

dlockz
10-22-2008, 06:34 PM
That approach is no better than those who focus only on the number of touchdowns. It disregards the whole picture, which supports his status as one of the best, IMO. Yes, he's 21st in total rushing yards, but he's also 23rd in att/game at 14 (Williams has 10.7, which shows a pretty decent split of carries). Despite that, he's tied for 2nd in touchdowns, 6th for first downs, and has zero fumbles (knock on wood).

Sorry, but I just don't see what people have to complain about other than the fact that he could maybe get more carries and be involved in the passing game more, which he excelled at last year. That's a playcalling issue though, not a Ronnie Brown issue.


There have been games where they have given Ronnie carries. My point is you cannot claim him to be the best based on any statistic unless Tds are the statistic you want to lay your hat on. In that case Karim Abdul jabbar was a great back since he was so good at getting into the endzone. So is Lendale White better because he has more tds or is Felix jones the best back in the league because he averages 8.9 per carry. We can all claim that Ronnie is a good runningback and no one will argue but there is no basis to say he is a better or equal back to a Clinton Portis or even an Adrian Peterson. He has only 12 less carries than Brandon jacobs and not even close on yards and I seriosuly dont think of Jacobs as a better back. Ronnie has to prove he is really good over a full season and ranking 21st in rushing will not do that. Im pretty sure Ronnie would have got more carries if he had gained more than 27 yards this week on those carries. The approach is better because long term when people discuss runningbacks they discuss yardage not Tds in one given year.

Gonzo
10-22-2008, 07:28 PM
There have been games where they have given Ronnie carries. My point is you cannot claim him to be the best based on any statistic unless Tds are the statistic you want to lay your hat on. In that case Karim Abdul jabbar was a great back since he was so good at getting into the endzone. So is Lendale White better because he has more tds or is Felix jones the best back in the league because he averages 8.9 per carry. We can all claim that Ronnie is a good runningback and no one will argue but there is no basis to say he is a better or equal back to a Clinton Portis or even an Adrian Peterson. He has only 12 less carries than Brandon jacobs and not even close on yards and I seriosuly dont think of Jacobs as a better back. Ronnie has to prove he is really good over a full season and ranking 21st in rushing will not do that. Im pretty sure Ronnie would have got more carries if he had gained more than 27 yards this week on those carries. The approach is better because long term when people discuss runningbacks they discuss yardage not Tds in one given year.You're right, there have been games where they gave Ronnie more carries, such as NE and SD when he put up 113 yards and 125 yards respectively.

And you ignore what I wrote entirely. It's amazing. Did I claim he was the best back? Nope. Can I specify that any clearer. I. did. not. claim. he's. the. best. :rolleyes2:

You seem fixated on the TD's for some reason, yet that was only one of several statistics I mentioned in arguing that he is one of the top in the league (again, please, for the love of god note that I did not say he's the best. Jeebus.).

I also noted that you don't consider any of the circumstances, and you continue to prove that. You focus on the last game in which Ronnie Brown put up 27 yards on very limited carries against the best rushing defense in the league. The passing game was doing absolutely nothing to decommit the Ravens from the run. And this all coming off an injury that many thought (and a couple hoped, am I right?) would end his career. Nobody could have run well in such circomstances. Nobody.

The best approach is to consider all the information, not one stat, whether that be yards or TD's.

I'm not sure what you're going for here? Are you hoping to hear someone agree with you and believe Ronnie sucks? Good luck with that.

dlockz
10-22-2008, 07:31 PM
You're right, there have been games where they gave Ronnie more carries, such as NE and SD when he put up 113 yards and 125 yards respectively.

And you ignore what I wrote entirely. It's amazing. Did I claim he was the best back? Nope. Can I specify that any clearer. I. did. not. claim. he's. the. best. :rolleyes2:

You seem fixated on the TD's for some reason, yet that was only one of several statistics I mentioned in arguing that he is one of the top in the league (again, please, for the love of god note that I did not say he's the best. Jeebus.).

I also noted that you don't consider any of the circumstances, and you continue to prove that. You focus on the last game in which Ronnie Brown put up 27 yards on very limited carries against the best rushing defense in the league. The passing game was doing absolutely nothing to decommit the Ravens from the run. And this all coming off an injury that many thought (and a couple hoped, am I right?) would end his career. Nobody could have run well in such circomstances. Nobody.

The best approach is to consider all the information, not one stat, whether that be yards or TD's.

I'm not sure what you're going for here? Are you hoping to hear someone agree with you and believe Ronnie sucks? Good luck with that.


wow talk about twisting words, I never said Ronnie sucked. I have continually said he is a good back just not one of the best.

Also why would anyone hope that Ronnie Brown's career would be ruined although I have suspected some on this site have rooted for Caddy's to end so they would be right.

You can add up any stats you want and Ronnie is just as I claim a good runningback, greatness is still to be proven and if he has another 900 yard season then it will not go towards proving it.

Gonzo
10-22-2008, 07:37 PM
wow talk about twisting words, I never said Ronnie sucked. I have continually said he is a good back just not one of the best.

Also why would anyone hope that Ronnie Brown's career would be ruined although I have suspected some on this site have rooted for Caddy's to end so they would be right.

You can add up any stats you want and Ronnie is just as I claim a good runningback, greatness is still to be proven and if he has another 900 yard season then it will not go towards proving it.Coming from someone who never exaggerates others' statements or beliefs. :lol:

As far as I'm concerned, the only things holding him back from being one of the best are playcalling and injuries. Both are really out of his control. And I was only using stats to counter your use of them.

ch19079
10-23-2008, 09:58 AM
L. White is not even the best RB on that team, much less the NFL. Hes a solid RB, but not the best.

DolfanDaveInATX
10-23-2008, 08:13 PM
Clinton Portis by far (not that I'm biased or anything).

The man leads the league in rushing, is second in the league with rushing TDs, and is the best blocking back in the league.

Lendale is at 3.9 a carry while CP is at 5.0 - you don't call a player the best in the league because he gets more TDs than someone else.....that's absurd.

And Lendale's 3.9 average includes an 80-yarder in garbage time against Kansas City. Take that one carry out and his average drops to 2.9.

milldog
10-23-2008, 08:20 PM
There are some great rookie and 2nd year backs that look mighty good as well, maybe not the best but Steve Slaton and Chris Johnson look to be great backs with a ton of upside!

dlockz
10-24-2008, 12:12 PM
And Lendale's 3.9 average includes an 80-yarder in garbage time against Kansas City. Take that one carry out and his average drops to 2.9.


You can be selective on alot of players. Take away the NE game and Ronnie's stats suffer quite a bit also.

Gonzo
10-25-2008, 02:27 AM
You can be selective on alot of players. Take away the NE game and Ronnie's stats suffer quite a bit also.Take away all of his games and he has zero carries for zero yards for zero touchdowns, which would make him the worst RB in the league...or something.

dlockz
10-25-2008, 12:58 PM
Take away all of his games and he has zero carries for zero yards for zero touchdowns, which would make him the worst RB in the league...or something.


just saying people want to be selective about other player's games but dont want to do the same for thier own choice.

Gonzo
10-25-2008, 01:08 PM
just saying people want to be selective about other player's games but dont want to do the same for thier own choice.
Just saying that you seem to be more concerned with calling out other fans and starting entire threads on it (such as this one) than anything else, which is too bad because you are a good poster when you refrain from doing that, even though I often disagree with you.

dlockz
10-25-2008, 02:55 PM
Just saying that you seem to be more concerned with calling out other fans and starting entire threads on it (such as this one) than anything else, which is too bad because you are a good poster when you refrain from doing that, even though I often disagree with you.


i just refuse to give credit where credit is not due. Its downright silly to call a back that has 1 barely over a 1000 yard season the best runningback in the game. This is precisely what was being done when he had the back to back 100 yard weeks. I know posters are emotional and want certain things to happen but If people are going to say things like this then I will weigh in on these things. I continually say unpopular things but I am always honest in my assessments and more often correct than not. Im a dolphin fan through and through but im not going to high five people for comments made with no basis. People on this site need to have thicker skin when someone does not agree, believe me I get blasted all the time no matter what I say and I still keep coming and stay with my convictions.

Gonzo
10-25-2008, 04:47 PM
i just refuse to give credit where credit is not due. Its downright silly to call a back that has 1 barely over a 1000 yard season the best runningback in the game. This is precisely what was being done when he had the back to back 100 yard weeks. I know posters are emotional and want certain things to happen but If people are going to say things like this then I will weigh in on these things. I continually say unpopular things but I am always honest in my assessments and more often correct than not. Im a dolphin fan through and through but im not going to high five people for comments made with no basis. People on this site need to have thicker skin when someone does not agree, believe me I get blasted all the time no matter what I say and I still keep coming and stay with my convictions.I personally haven't seen anybody call him the best back in the league. I think you are overexaggerating, but whatever. It's your life. You can be angry and defensive all want I s'pose.

dlockz
10-27-2008, 01:33 PM
I personally haven't seen anybody call him the best back in the league. I think you are overexaggerating, but whatever. It's your life. You can be angry and defensive all want I s'pose.


i guess you took a 2 week hiatis. One of the threads was move over LT and it very clearly called Brown the best in the league. It happened alot during that span. Disagreeing is not being negative. Ronnie is not the best back in the league, whats so negative about that.

Gonzo
10-27-2008, 03:41 PM
i guess you took a 2 week hiatis. One of the threads was move over LT and it very clearly called Brown the best in the league. It happened alot during that span. Disagreeing is not being negative. Ronnie is not the best back in the league, whats so negative about that.
So...one thread speaks for everybody? I could point out just as many from the opposite end of the spectrum calling him a huge bust. Doesn't mean everybody think he's a bust.

And when did I say disagreeing=being negative? Again, you are completely ignoring what I write. I said the biggest problem was your constant need to call out fellow fans by starting ridiculous threads like this. That's not simply disagreeing, that's antagonizing. It doesn't provoke debate, it provokes hostility. Often, it's nothing more than baiting and it overshadows your better posts that discuss the team and your views of it rather than the fans and your views of them.

dlockz
10-27-2008, 04:04 PM
So...one thread speaks for everybody? I could point out just as many from the opposite end of the spectrum calling him a huge bust. Doesn't mean everybody think he's a bust.

And when did I say disagreeing=being negative? Again, you are completely ignoring what I write. I said the biggest problem was your constant need to call out fellow fans by starting ridiculous threads like this. That's not simply disagreeing, that's antagonizing. It doesn't provoke debate, it provokes hostility. Often, it's nothing more than baiting and it overshadows your better posts that discuss the team and your views of it rather than the fans and your views of them.


this was a thread made in fun. I made it silly because its a silly subject because neither back is near the best in the league. I made this due to the reactinaty nature of this board. Like this week see how all the Ginn people now are in a differant tone. I am glad though that noone has gone as overboard as they were with Brown and the wildcat.

GoonBoss
10-27-2008, 06:28 PM
And Lendale's 3.9 average includes an 80-yarder in garbage time against Kansas City. Take that one carry out and his average drops to 2.9.

You don't throw out any stat. You can't do that to have an honest statistical study. IF that's the case, you can take out any of Ronnie's long runs. Heck, how about we throw out best games?