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The Dawg
10-28-2008, 06:02 PM
The sale of the Miami Dolphins has been approved, but the owner hopes to expedite the transfer, saying he doesn't want to pay more capital gains taxes under an Obama administration.

H. Wayne Huizenga has been eyeing more than players' stats this season. As national polls swing further into the blue, the Miami Dolphins owner is saying he'd rather sell his team now than later, after Barack Obama is inaugurated.

"He wants to double the capital-gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga told the Sun-Sentinel in Fort Lauderdale. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him.”

Source: Sun-Sentinel ( I cant post links yet )

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A lot of people are risking their business image this election season. :unsure:

Either way it can alienate.

sn9ke.eyes
10-28-2008, 06:09 PM
Why wouldn't he be serious ? You are talking about millions of dollars that he could save, give to charity, or will to his children.

The Dawg
10-28-2008, 06:11 PM
Why wouldn't he be serious ? You are talking about millions of dollars that he could save, give to charity, or will to his children.
When I ask is he serious I am referring to keeping your feelings separate from your business. If you are going to do it - Do it without telling people your personal feelings.

jlfin
10-28-2008, 06:13 PM
H. Wayne Huizenga has been eyeing more than players' stats this season. As national polls swing further into the blue, the Miami Dolphins owner is saying he'd rather sell his team now than later, after Barack Obama is inaugurated.

"He wants to double the capital-gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga told the Sun-Sentinel in Fort Lauderdale. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him.

Source: Sun-Sentinel ( I cant post links yet )

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A lot of people are risking their business image this election season. :unsure:

Either way it can alienate.

Who can blame him? It's called having a brain. I agree with him. I would rather spend or donate my money any way I see fit than allow a quasi- Socialist government to give handouts to those to whom they choose to re-distribute it to.
The only people it can alienate are leftist idealogues who want to be generous with other people's money, and as far as I'm concerned they are irrelevant.

The Dawg
10-28-2008, 06:16 PM
The only people it can alienate are leftist idealogues who want to be generous with other people's money, and as far as I'm concerned they are irrelevant.
You mean like the stimulus Bush sent you?

sn9ke.eyes
10-28-2008, 06:18 PM
You mean like the stimulus Bush sent you?

actually that was an advance on future tax cuts.

The Dawg
10-28-2008, 06:23 PM
actually that was an advance on future tax cuts.
Apples to apples.

Why do some think that we aren't in a semi-socialist society already? Healthcare, farmers, airlines, railways and now banks are all government subsidized.

FinAtic8480
10-28-2008, 06:24 PM
I can help but agree with Wayne, how would you rather give your earning to a socialist idiology then to a Charity or ILL Childrem

kellyh3034
10-28-2008, 06:25 PM
Who can blame him? It's called having a brain. I agree with him. I would rather spend or donate my money any way I see fit than allow a quasi- Socialist government to give handouts to those to whom they choose to re-distribute it to.
The only people it can alienate are leftist idealogues who want to be generous with other people's money, and as far as I'm concerned they are irrelevant.
So, when the government give subsidies to business's, which are part of the tax payer's money, I guess thats not being generous with other people money. Seems like to me the greedy want it all.

phinphever
10-28-2008, 06:25 PM
I agree most hard working Americans would rather have more control of their own hard earned money than less. Americans are some of the most generous and compassionate people. I would rather have control than some bureaucrat in Washington.

MrEd
10-28-2008, 06:28 PM
When I ask is he serious I am referring to keeping your feelings separate from your business. If you are going to do it - Do it without telling people your personal feelings.

Keeping his feelings? Dude, he's keeping it real! This is what most thinking Americans are afraid of among many other troubling things with the potential of a Democrat Presidency.

Even the poor are afraid of Obama because we know that if the Dems raise the taxes on the businesses, we are going to be fcked by getting flipped the bill and we are going to lose our jobs due to this.

Way to keep it real and let others know what's at stake Wayne! Only people that would have a problem with the TRUTH being exposed are cultish blind left wing followers of the Dem Party regardless of the danger it threatens us with.

MrEd
10-28-2008, 06:30 PM
I agree most hard working Americans would rather have more control of their own hard earned money than less. Americans are some of the most generous and compassionate people. I would rather have control than some bureaucrat in Washington.

Exactly! Plus Socialistic Marxism takes the competitive market out of the equation bringing the societies motivator down and making us robotic and slaves of the government. Heck no! Say NOBAMA now! Use your BRAIN, VOTE JOHN MCCAIN!

sn9ke.eyes
10-28-2008, 06:31 PM
Apples to apples.

Why do some think that we aren't in a semi-socialist society already? Healthcare, farmers, airlines, railways and now banks are all government subsidized.

so because we are "semi-socialist" already we might as well just go ahead and take the plunge all the way ?

MrEd
10-28-2008, 06:35 PM
So, when the government give subsidies to business's, which are part of the tax payer's money, I guess thats not being generous with other people money. Seems like to me the greedy want it all.

Dude, incentives are for MOTIVATION. You want to "keep" business here? You provide incentives for the businesses.

A smart economist will tell you that BUSINESSES CREATE JOBS. Why would you want to discourage businesses and force them to go do business elsewhere in other countries instead of ours?

Because this is a marxist NEW WORLD ORDER strategy. The goal of the UN and the DEM Party is to bring America's economy down in order to force us to surrender to the One World Government of the Marxist countries!

This has been a known thing. America is a REPUBLIC. A sovereign republic. But Dems want to take America down and tear it apart. That's what is meant by CHANGE.

We've seen what communist nations do. This is a country full of people who have FLED those countries. Now they are attempting to destroy the freedoms we enjoy and terrorize us from within.

DefensiveEnd76
10-28-2008, 06:37 PM
I am just glad the old coot is selling the team

X-Pacolypse
10-28-2008, 06:37 PM
Wayne is doing the smart thing. Obama Bin Laden is going to tax the hell out of this country.

The Dawg
10-28-2008, 06:40 PM
so because we are "semi-socialist" already we might as well just go ahead and take the plunge all the way ?
My point is people are acting like this is all brand new.

The U.S. would not have made it out of the Depression without a helping hand from the government. You cant have it both ways. Businesses cant ask for help then say "Wait, this is going to cost me?"

sonny
10-28-2008, 06:43 PM
I wonder if Wayne realizes that he'll losing more money with empty seats this year than he will from a marginal gain in taxation . . .

You guys wouldn't know 'socialism' if it walked up to you and slapped you in the face with its dick. You realize that taking more money from rich people gives you more, right? And that means you'll have more money to spend? And that, like a nice little consumer, you'll probably just give it right back to them?

Honestly, I'll never understand why you people will go to bat for people who make in a day what you make in a year. It's ludicrous. It's like you don't even know what 'rational self interest' means. You know what? For lacking the curiosity to learn how tax policies affect you, you deserve whatever you get.

MrEd
10-28-2008, 06:45 PM
It isn't rocket science who is responsible for the economy going down. The Democrats.

Is it coincidence that the first 6 years of the Bush Administration the economy was doing even better than the Clinton Administration and all of a sudden once the Democrats took over Congress in 2006, the economy began to go down?

This past summer, Nancy Pelosi refused to pass a law that allowed for offshore drilling for our own oil (that would bring oil prices down) and she refused it and said that they would reconsider "after" vacation.

This vacation would last all the way until late September. Coincidence? No.

She knew that the elections were right around the corner. They were procrastinating in order to bring the economy down for a temporary time in order to taint the Bush Legacy and in hope of swaying the elections towards the Democrat Party.

Our dollar is gone down because we arent doing what other countries are doing that have brought their dollar UP....drill for our own oil!

The Dems have brought our economy to this point for one sole purpose only....political gain.

They want power. They are doing this as well as have the liberal biased media and Hollywood in the tank for them in order to gain control of the White House.

They say yes to whatever we want to hear. Come on people!

Let's see the TRUE facts of what it is. It is no coincidence that Bush had our economy going strong (despite of a war) and all of a sudden when the Dems took control of Congress....our economy went down the drain!

Let's see through the propoganda and the hype and misinformation and Bush mud slinging and blaming everything on him....when it is DEM that have the power to ok or not ok off shore drilling, NOT BUSH.

This is what really pisses me off. A lot of people just echo what they hear in ads and make moot propoganda slogans instead of seeing what is "really" going on here.

We need to make sure we vote the RIGHT guy in office this November. Wayne Huizenga is absolutely RIGHT.

Loyal Fin
10-28-2008, 06:45 PM
It's subjects like these that bend ideals and cross lines. The same guy who thinks players are fine, win or lose, because of their paychecks is saying Wayne is right because of their ideals and political stance. I'm moderate, so I see things differently. Because Wayne is a billionaire, I have no sympathy for his attempt to save 75 million "bucks"...BUT I wouldn't want to give that much money to a government I don't agree with.

And guys, if Obama is a socialist.. McCain is a Fascist.

The Dawg
10-28-2008, 06:46 PM
Keeping his feelings? Dude, he's keeping it real! with.

I go back a while with Wayne & co. I was a season ticket holder, I ate at Fuddruckers, my business uses Waste Management, hell I even have a blockbuster card...

I would never put up a sign in my office or voice my personal opinions to the media that could hurt my cash flow. Keep it separate , take money from any and everyone WITHOUT offending your customers/business partners/stock holders.

abnguy
10-28-2008, 06:53 PM
I am just glad the old coot is selling the team
Amen to that brother! Obviously a conversation like this is bound to get heated and while it's an open forum and we can talk about whatever I'm glad we still have the Phins as common ground.

MrEd
10-28-2008, 07:06 PM
Amen to that brother! Obviously a conversation like this is bound to get heated and while it's an open forum and we can talk about whatever I'm glad we still have the Phins as common ground.

Only reason this conversation would get heated is because there are cultish followers of a political party who care less of the bad ideology they have.

Real people and honest and sincere americans will keep it real...

The cult liberal followers are classless and irrational. All they do is make statements that make no sense whatsoever or just insult and demean you with no class.

Bigjbizzle2
10-28-2008, 07:08 PM
people that dont see the obvious have on blinders when it comes to obama

Dr. Phin
10-28-2008, 07:09 PM
You mean like the stimulus Bush sent you?

That was my money he sent me back...quite frankly they need to send another 40 checks before those check become redistribution...

Dr. Phin
10-28-2008, 07:10 PM
So, when the government give subsidies to business's, which are part of the tax payer's money, I guess thats not being generous with other people money. Seems like to me the greedy want it all.

Did anyone say anything about subsidies?...They should be gone also...

Dr. Phin
10-28-2008, 07:17 PM
It's subjects like these that bend ideals and cross lines. The same guy who thinks players are fine, win or lose, because of their paychecks is saying Wayne is right because of their ideals and political stance. I'm moderate, so I see things differently. Because Wayne is a billionaire, I have no sympathy for his attempt to save 75 million "bucks"...BUT I wouldn't want to give that much money to a government I don't agree with.

And guys, if Obama is a socialist.. McCain is a Fascist.

Obviously NOT a moderate...I just love how the left always tries to say they are moderate...somehow us folks who like to keep what we earn or would like to spend our money our own way are FASCIST...but you are somehow moderate...

Maybe statements like yours that are so over-the-top are the ones that boarder on fascism. If you can't win the debate...you attack the debaters.

insomnia411
10-28-2008, 07:20 PM
I agree!
I feel so horrible for the poor downtrodden wealthiest 1% of aristocratic people in this country that will be abused by the socialist evil terrorist disguised as an African American known as Obama. We need to let the rich get richer, not force them to actually help people who are in need. Maybe like the 500,000 homeless veterans in this country who can't get healthcare. Screw them!
When will people realize that if you put money into the hands of the middle class they will just waste it?! We need our rich wealthy owners to make decisions for us and make economic slaves out of the rest of the populace!

Look at what's happening already thanks to these marxist pigs! Our beloved owner has to sell his multi million dollar business for many millions of dollars! How are Huizenga's great great great great great great great great great great grandchildren ever going to survive without working now!? Seriously, the destitute obviously don't deserve social mobility anyway, they're clearly just too lazy to make the right decision between food or medical care for their kids.
Oh well, I guess people will just never understand.

phinfan33
10-28-2008, 07:23 PM
i know there's a forum in here for political discussions,but what the hell,it's cool seeing it in here too,lol....

The Dawg
10-28-2008, 07:24 PM
Look, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

As far as politics: Whatever choice you make on Nov. 4th... Dont cry if it doesnt work out for you.

Phanatical
10-28-2008, 07:25 PM
Apples to apples.

Why do some think that we aren't in a semi-socialist society already? Healthcare, farmers, airlines, railways and now banks are all government subsidized.

You got that right, now it's time to stop the gravy train, vote McCain.

insomnia411
10-28-2008, 07:26 PM
Seriously though, I love how rich conservatives are staunchly anti welfare, yet they're all for government assistance when its FOR THEM. Oh sure, come bail out Wall Street! Bail out all the rich bankers that did nothing but embezzle and waste the money of hard working middle class people!
And why middle class people still vote republican is so far out of my realm of thought its unbelievable. Probably lots of underlying racism...

Phanatical
10-28-2008, 07:28 PM
I wonder if Wayne realizes that he'll losing more money with empty seats this year than he will from a marginal gain in taxation . . .

You guys wouldn't know 'socialism' if it walked up to you and slapped you in the face with its dick. You realize that taking more money from rich people gives you more, right? And that means you'll have more money to spend? And that, like a nice little consumer, you'll probably just give it right back to them?

Honestly, I'll never understand why you people will go to bat for people who make in a day what you make in a year. It's ludicrous. It's like you don't even know what 'rational self interest' means. You know what? For lacking the curiosity to learn how tax policies affect you, you deserve whatever you get.

That "marginal gain in taxation" as you call it, will cost him millions. Filling seats is a separate issue that will ALSO cost him big money.

Phanatical
10-28-2008, 07:29 PM
Seriously though, I love how rich conservatives are staunchly anti welfare, yet they're all for government assistance when its FOR THEM. Oh sure, come bail out Wall Street! Bail out all the rich bankers that did nothing but embezzle and waste the money of hard working middle class people!
And why middle class people still vote republican is so far out of my realm of thought its unbelievable. Probably lots of underlying racism...

Underlying racism? That's funny since the middle class has been voting republican for years. When was the last time there was a "racist" vote cast? Talk about racism, what about the 90%+ of the blacks in this country voting for a guy that looks black, even though he's half white????

MrEd
10-28-2008, 07:30 PM
I agree!
I feel so horrible for the poor downtrodden wealthiest 1% of aristocratic people in this country that will be abused by the socialist evil terrorist disguised as an African American known as Obama. We need to let the rich get richer, not force them to actually help people who are in need. Maybe like the 500,000 homeless veterans in this country who can't get healthcare. Screw them!
When will people realize that if you put money into the hands of the middle class they will just waste it?! We need our rich wealthy owners to make decisions for us and make economic slaves out of the rest of the populace!

Look at what's happening already thanks to these marxist pigs! Our beloved owner has to sell his multi million dollar business for many millions of dollars! How are Huizenga's great great great great great great great great great great grandchildren ever going to survive without working now!? Seriously, the destitute obviously don't deserve social mobility anyway, they're clearly just too lazy to make the right decision between food or medical care for their kids.
Oh well, I guess people will just never understand.

Yeah, you will be sorry when you see how expensive everything goes UP do to the raising of taxes instead of leaving them alone.

And you'll see how taxes continue to go UP even on the middle class once everyone jumps on the healthcare system and they go bankrupt do to too many customers and are FORCED (no wait it is planned) to HIKE UP taxes due to "goverment can't afford the bill" of all Americans on their healthplan.

Yeah, you will be sorry when our society continues to get dumbed down and misinformed and indoctrinated by left wing liberal UNFAIR activist Professors in school who refuse to allow for students to critical think for themselves in key issues like science and social issues.

Yeah, you will be sorry when our population continues to dwindle and our moral compass goes completely numb due to kiling an innocent child due to the fact that you weren't willing to raise it, marrying gay people and indoctrinating our kids into believing that gay marriage is anything but an attack on the family and the God ordained foundation of it....

Yeah, you will be sorry when terrorists sucker us into submission due to just letting them do what they want to do...RULE and CONTROL us.

Yeah, you better start thinking. Use your BRAIN, VOTE MCCAIN.

MrEd
10-28-2008, 07:32 PM
Seriously though, I love how rich conservatives are staunchly anti welfare, yet they're all for government assistance when its FOR THEM. Oh sure, come bail out Wall Street! Bail out all the rich bankers that did nothing but embezzle and waste the money of hard working middle class people!
And why middle class people still vote republican is so far out of my realm of thought its unbelievable. Probably lots of underlying racism...

Um, hello? The bail out bill was a DEMOCRAT BILL? :sidelol:

fishfanmiami
10-28-2008, 07:32 PM
I always had respect for the intelligence of the people on this site ....... until now. Anyone that thinks continuing the policies of the Bush administration , even after 911 , katrina , lose of several personal rights (exc. orders), worest economic disaster since the great depression , 2 wars (one for no reason) , all the lies and cover ups. Voting for McBush and that silly beauty queen would be like asking Nick Saban's son to coach the Dolphins ..... please >>>>>> I'm a white , retired businessman with plenty of assets and I think Obama is by far the best option >>>>> don't bother replying cause I don't want to hear any right wing , racist remarks . P>S> Get that bigot Wayne H. out of here . He's a loser in football and only interested in his own butt anyways. GOOD NIGHT .... and hope the players don't read your crap.

insomnia411
10-28-2008, 07:32 PM
Eh, it's a little taboo to just come out and call yourself a racist.
But the fact of the matter is, a middle class individual has no rational reason to vote for a neo conservative at this point. They want to do nothing but eliminate your tax bracket and turn this country into an aristocracy of HAVES and HAVE NOTS.
So they vote neo con for irrational reasons... Like because they hate black people.

X-Pacolypse
10-28-2008, 07:35 PM
If some of you think that the economy is in the toilet now, wait till Obama Bin Laden gets into office.

Phanatical
10-28-2008, 07:35 PM
I always had respect for the intelligence of the people on this site ....... until now. Anyone that thinks continuing the policies of the Bush administration , even after 911 , katrina , lose of several personal rights (exc. orders), worest economic disaster since the great depression , 2 wars (one for no reason) , all the lies and cover ups. Voting for McBush and that silly beauty queen would be like asking Nick Saban's son to coach the Dolphins ..... please >>>>>> I'm a white , retired businessman with plenty of assets and I think Obama is by far the best option >>>>> don't bother replying cause I don't want to hear any right wing , racist remarks . P>S> Get that bigot Wayne H. out of here . He's a loser in football and only interested in his own butt anyways. GOOD NIGHT .... and hope the players don't read your crap.

Yeah, Wayne is a bigot for not wanting the government to take all his profits in the form of capital gain taxes, what a friggin racist!

insomnia411
10-28-2008, 07:36 PM
Yeah, you will be sorry when you see how expensive everything goes UP do to the raising of taxes instead of leaving them alone.

And you'll see how taxes continue to go UP even on the middle class once everyone jumps on the healthcare system and they go bankrupt do to too many customers and are FORCED (no wait it is planned) to HIKE UP taxes due to "goverment can't afford the bill" of all Americans on their healthplan.

Yeah, you will be sorry when our society continues to get dumbed down and misinformed and indoctrinated by left wing liberal UNFAIR activist Professors in school who refuse to allow for students to critical think for themselves in key issues like science and social issues.

Yeah, you will be sorry when our population continues to dwindle and our moral compass goes completely numb due to kiling an innocent child due to the fact that you weren't willing to raise it, marrying gay people and indoctrinating our kids into believing that gay marriage is anything but an attack on the family and the God ordained foundation of it....

Yeah, you will be sorry when terrorists sucker us into submission due to just letting them do what they want to do...RULE and CONTROL us.

Yeah, you better start thinking. Use your BRAIN, VOTE MCCAIN.

Haha basing your political and social ideals around a magic man in the sky that keeps tabs on your everyday life is a great idea.
It's people like you that are dragging down the overall IQ in this country buddy. Individual thought? Believe me I'm 20,000 steps ahead of you in that regard.
Yea dudes bangin each other will really be the downfall of the country. Forget about starting unjustifiable wars with innocent nations over blood and oil money. Forget about centralizing the power in the executive branch and weeding out the middle class.
You really should learn what the real issues are.

insomnia411
10-28-2008, 07:38 PM
And I am in no way pro choice so don't generalize me, I don't vote down party lines, I'm an objective observer.

milldog
10-28-2008, 07:38 PM
I can help but agree with Wayne, how would you rather give your earning to a socialist idiology then to a Charity or ILL Childrem

Yeah I wouldn't want to give my money to McCain either!! Socialist, leftist, crap statements by the right who are getting wooped!

Phanatical
10-28-2008, 07:39 PM
Yeah I wouldn't want to give my money to McCain either!! Socialist, leftist, crap statements by the right who are getting wooped!

Getting wooped? Funny, I thought the election wasn't til next week. As they say in football, that's why they play the games.

milldog
10-28-2008, 07:40 PM
It isn't rocket science who is responsible for the economy going down. The Democrats.

Is it coincidence that the first 6 years of the Bush Administration the economy was doing even better than the Clinton Administration and all of a sudden once the Democrats took over Congress in 2006, the economy began to go down?

This past summer, Nancy Pelosi refused to pass a law that allowed for offshore drilling for our own oil (that would bring oil prices down) and she refused it and said that they would reconsider "after" vacation.

This vacation would last all the way until late September. Coincidence? No.

She knew that the elections were right around the corner. They were procrastinating in order to bring the economy down for a temporary time in order to taint the Bush Legacy and in hope of swaying the elections towards the Democrat Party.

Our dollar is gone down because we arent doing what other countries are doing that have brought their dollar UP....drill for our own oil!

The Dems have brought our economy to this point for one sole purpose only....political gain.

They want power. They are doing this as well as have the liberal biased media and Hollywood in the tank for them in order to gain control of the White House.

They say yes to whatever we want to hear. Come on people!

Let's see the TRUE facts of what it is. It is no coincidence that Bush had our economy going strong (despite of a war) and all of a sudden when the Dems took control of Congress....our economy went down the drain!

Let's see through the propoganda and the hype and misinformation and Bush mud slinging and blaming everything on him....when it is DEM that have the power to ok or not ok off shore drilling, NOT BUSH.

This is what really pisses me off. A lot of people just echo what they hear in ads and make moot propoganda slogans instead of seeing what is "really" going on here.

We need to make sure we vote the RIGHT guy in office this November. Wayne Huizenga is absolutely RIGHT.

Clueless???

insomnia411
10-28-2008, 07:40 PM
And answer me this:
You really think it's more of a tragedy for a rich man to lose a measly percentage of his vast wealth than it is when a family that didn't have the LUXURY of generational wealth can't feed their kids because they live in a society that HATES them?
Get real.

The Dawg
10-28-2008, 07:40 PM
Underlying racism? That's funny since the middle class has been voting republican for years. When was the last time there was a "racist" vote cast? Talk about racism, what about the 90%+ of the blacks in this country voting for a guy that looks black, even though he's half white????
All these years black people have voted (primarily) Democratic, but now that its a black dude on the ticket - THATS WHY THEY ARE VOTING FOR HIM?

-1 for you.

Vaark
10-28-2008, 07:42 PM
Hard to vote for someone who wants to take the middle class' taxpayers' money and keep pumping it into the infrastructure and public welfare in Iraq at the rate of $10 billion a month, has voted 90% of the time in lockstep with one of the most treasonous, corrupt, constitution-trampling fascist presidential regimes in our history and is prepared to continue their venal policies and those of the behind the scene globalist Neocons for another 100 years if necessary. Hard to respect someone who accuses his opponent of terrorist affiliation, while being unapologetic friends with G Gordon Liddy, a convicted felon domestic terrorist who advocated shooting ATF agents in the head. Hard to vote for someone who's been through 3 cancers, is already manifesting the confusiions of advancing senility and for political expediency sake as a last ditch effort, has nominated as a runningmate some laughingstock of a teleprompter reading bimbo who 's under 2 state abuse of power investigations, and beat an incumbent with a 19% approval rating in an election where she received all of 115,000 total votes -less votes than did the loser of the last Los Angeles Mayoral election to be a heartbeat away from the oldest incoming president. Thanks but no thanks..I'll take my chances with what's behind the curtain, rather than the devil that's known.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2008/11/sz92c8-1.jpg

MrEd
10-28-2008, 07:42 PM
I always had respect for the intelligence or the people on this site ....... until now. Anyone that thinks continuing the policies of the Bush administration , even after 911 , katrina , lose of several personal rights (exc. orders), worest economic disaster since the great depression , 2 wars (one for no reason) , all the lies and cover ups. Voting for McBush and that silly beauty queen would be like asking Nick Saban's son to coach the Dolphins ..... please >>>>>> I'm a white , retired businessman with plenty of assets and I think Obama is by far the best option >>>>> don't bother replying cause I don't want to hear any right wing , racist remarks . P>S> Get that bigot Wayne H. out of here . He's a loser in football and only interested in his own butt anyways. GOOD NIGHT .... and hope the players don't read your crap.

Um, the Bush policies are the American policies. Yeah, the ones that this nation was founded on? Yeah, the ones that made this nation the greatest nation on God's green earth. (Sorry Dr Michael Medved, had to steal that one from you :D).

Um, yeah, the Bush policies, the ones that were working, despite a war, for the past 6 years until the DEMOCRATS took over Congress and sabotaged it and brought our economy to where it is?

I'm sick and tired of Liberal Democrats(not all Democrats: Joe Lieberman is the MAN!!!)...but I'm tired of the Liberals sticking there foot out so that Bush can fall and then critizing him for failing!!! :rolleyes2:

I'm sick and tired of Liberals making all these hypocritical accusations of the President of things that THEY are guilty of!

Anyone else ever notice that Republicans always have substance behind what they say and do so with class.....while Liberal Democrats all they do is insult the other side and without class all they do is lie and edit clips to make them say what they want them to say and just ridicule the other side like some elitist bigots that they are?

Um, look at records. That's all you need to see the light.

Thank God for FoxNews! If it weren't for them....we would have no clue about what the Liberal Propoganda Machine and all this misinformation is being spewed out to us from ALL ANGLES!!!

Let's see? MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, HOLLYWOOD, MTV, LIBERAL FASCIST PROFESSORS...etc.

Hey, some of us are strong minded enough to THINK for ourselves....we've escaped the plantain, have you?

Liberal Left wing nuts are so weak-minded that all they do is SUBMIT to what the media spoon feeds you with and need to go to left wing websites to learn what to say to counter the TRUTH. Pfft.:up:

milldog
10-28-2008, 07:43 PM
Yeah, you will be sorry when you see how expensive everything goes UP do to the raising of taxes instead of leaving them alone.

And you'll see how taxes continue to go UP even on the middle class once everyone jumps on the healthcare system and they go bankrupt do to too many customers and are FORCED (no wait it is planned) to HIKE UP taxes due to "goverment can't afford the bill" of all Americans on their healthplan.

Yeah, you will be sorry when our society continues to get dumbed down and misinformed and indoctrinated by left wing liberal UNFAIR activist Professors in school who refuse to allow for students to critical think for themselves in key issues like science and social issues.

Yeah, you will be sorry when our population continues to dwindle and our moral compass goes completely numb due to kiling an innocent child due to the fact that you weren't willing to raise it, marrying gay people and indoctrinating our kids into believing that gay marriage is anything but an attack on the family and the God ordained foundation of it....

Yeah, you will be sorry when terrorists sucker us into submission due to just letting them do what they want to do...RULE and CONTROL us.

Yeah, you better start thinking. Use your BRAIN, VOTE MCCAIN.

No thanks...I've been tortured enough by the Bush administration and I'm getting off that train driven by McCain who looks, sounds, smeels, votes exactly like Bush. Haven't you had enough. Sounds like no, you must be making more than 250k! lol. Obama baby all the way!

Phanatical
10-28-2008, 07:43 PM
All these years black people have voted (primarily) Democratic, but now that its a black dude on the ticket - THATS WHY THEY ARE VOTING FOR HIM?

-1 for you.

History of 90% democrat, NOT!

sonny
10-28-2008, 07:43 PM
It isn't rocket science who is responsible for the economy going down. The Democrats.

Is it coincidence that the first 6 years of the Bush Administration the economy was doing even better than the Clinton Administration and all of a sudden once the Democrats took over Congress in 2006, the economy began to go down?

This past summer, Nancy Pelosi refused to pass a law that allowed for offshore drilling for our own oil (that would bring oil prices down) and she refused it and said that they would reconsider "after" vacation.

I'm not even going to try to explain to you how a 'bubble' works, so I'm going to have to give you a civics lesson instead.

You're obviously not intelligent enough to realize this, but the Democrats do not control the Senate. They have 49 seats. The Republicans have 49 seats. There are two Independents. One of them (Lieberman) votes Republican. The other (Sanders) votes Democratic.

You are left with a 50/50 deadlock.

As you should (but probably do not) know, a bill must pass in both the House and Senate in order to become a law. And then it faces the third challenge:

We have a Republican president, who has made 12 vetoes since 2006.

The failure of the 110th Congress to get ANYTHING done is a direct result of the opposition that they face. A political party can't shove laws down our throat until they control both houses of Congress AND the Presidency. You know, the way that the Republicans did from 2000 to 2006.

You'll have to wait until January to see that in action again ;)

MrEd
10-28-2008, 07:44 PM
And answer me this:
You really think it's more of a tragedy for a rich man to lose a measly percentage of his vast wealth than it is when a family that didn't have the LUXURY of generational wealth can't feed their kids because they live in a society that HATES them?
Get real.

Yes, it it. BUSINESSES are what bring US jobs! If you hike their taxes, who do you think is going to pay for that? WE ARE!

We will have prices go UP on us. We will have jobs cut down on us. We will have businesses go overseas in order for cheaper tax laws. THINK.

Use your BRAIN, VOTE MCCAIN.

Phanatical
10-28-2008, 07:44 PM
And answer me this:
You really think it's more of a tragedy for a rich man to lose a measly percentage of his vast wealth than it is when a family that didn't have the LUXURY of generational wealth can't feed their kids because they live in a society that HATES them?
Get real.

Perhaps they should get a job. Oh, the Hater argument, LOL.

Anyway, that's a different question than the OP posted and could be the subject of an entirely different thread.

milldog
10-28-2008, 07:46 PM
Seriously though, I love how rich conservatives are staunchly anti welfare, yet they're all for government assistance when its FOR THEM. Oh sure, come bail out Wall Street! Bail out all the rich bankers that did nothing but embezzle and waste the money of hard working middle class people!
And why middle class people still vote republican is so far out of my realm of thought its unbelievable. Probably lots of underlying racism...

Totally agree with you my man! sounds more and more to me the real underlying reason to me. Some of you just can't stand that you'll have a black president and I don't feel the least bit sorry for you!

MrEd
10-28-2008, 07:47 PM
I'm not even going to try to explain to you how a 'bubble' works, so I'm going to have to give you a civics lesson instead.

You're obviously not intelligent enough to realize this, but the Democrats do not control the Senate. They have 49 seats. The Republicans have 49 seats. There are two Independents. One of them (Lieberman) votes Republican. The other (Sanders) votes Democratic.

You are left with a 50/50 deadlock.

As you should (but probably do not) know, a bill must pass in both the House and Senate in order to become a law. And then it faces the third challenge:

We have a Republican president, who has made 12 vetoes since 2006.

The failure of the 110th Congress to get ANYTHING done is a direct result of the opposition that they face. A political party can't shove laws down our throat until they control both houses of Congress AND the Presidency. You know, the way that the Republicans did from 2000 to 2006.

You'll have to wait until January to see that in action again ;)

Thank you for proving my point that all left wing cultists do is insult without substance and without class.

Let me educate you. The Congress is "not" just the Senate, its the Senate "and" the House of Representatives. Ok?

Then, you don't pass a law "just" with the senate, u need the House too.

So, yes, just to enlighten you....the DEMOCRATS have controlled the CONGRESS the past 2 years.

If they didn't we would have been drilling offshore by now and the gas prices would have gone down earlier and the economy would have STAYED UP AS IT WAS THE FIRST 6 YEARS BEFORE THEY TOOK CONTROL! :rolleyes2:

Phanatical
10-28-2008, 07:48 PM
....... A political party can't shove laws down our throat until they control both houses of Congress AND the Presidency.

;)

Exactly the reason I'm voting for McCain, so the Democrats can't shove their socialist agenda down our throats. No freedom of speech (fairness doctrine), no right to own and bear arms.

Vote freedom, use your brain, vote McCain.

sonny
10-28-2008, 07:49 PM
Since 2006:

The DEMOCRATS have controlled the HOUSE.
The SENATE is deadlocked.
The PRESIDENT is a REPUBLICAN.

No matter how powerful you think the Democratic House is, they can't pass a law without the other two.

Next time, read my post. I covered what you said. In the meantime, maybe you should look into a civics class at your local community college. You just might learn something about how this big ol government of ours works.

Phanatical
10-28-2008, 07:50 PM
Totally agree with you my man! sounds more and more to me the real underlying reason to me. Some of you just can't stand that you'll have a black president and I don't feel the least bit sorry for you!

Sure, it's all about his skin color, nothing to do with his radical leftist agenda. Funny, I've voted Republican for years but now I'm doing so because of a half black man whose also half white? :lol:

MrEd
10-28-2008, 07:50 PM
Totally agree with you my man! sounds more and more to me the real underlying reason to me. Some of you just can't stand that you'll have a black president and I don't feel the least bit sorry for you!

Um, dude? Who's talking about race? This has nothing to do with race. That's what the DEMS continue to mislead the masses into thinking. They want to play on the guilt of the masses into voting for the DEMS by playing on the race card. Go head with that racist BS.

http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

nuff said?

MrEd
10-28-2008, 07:53 PM
Since 2006:

The DEMOCRATS have controlled the HOUSE.
The SENATE is deadlocked.
The PRESIDENT is a REPUBLICAN.

No matter how powerful you think the Democratic House is, they can't pass a law without the other two.

Next time, read my post. I covered what you said. In the meantime, maybe you should look into a civics class at your local community college. You just might learn something about how this big ol government of ours works.

The DEMOCRATS have refused Bush's call and the Republicans in Congress's call to drill offshore....so how do you figure that the DEM controlled Congress doesn't control the laws and economy in this country?

Bush wants to drill for oil. The Republicans in Congress want to drill for oil. So "who" is stopping them from doing so? :unsure:

dreamwalker
10-28-2008, 07:54 PM
:jt0323:

The problem with exposing ones political view on a football message board (that i have found) is two fold

1) You will never change anyones mind- ever- even if the facts prove your point- it will never happen

2) you will most certainly lose a lot of peoples respect just because of your ideals, its a shame really but its just the way life is. You just start seeing people differently

finfan54
10-28-2008, 07:54 PM
Got news for ya'll. Obama will make many businesses follow the same line....good luck keeping your job. Seriously....

Locke
10-28-2008, 07:54 PM
Even the poor are afraid of Obama because we know that if the Dems raise the taxes on the businesses, we are going to be fcked by getting flipped the bill and we are going to lose our jobs due to this.


You mean the jobs that the major corporations are sending to India, The Phillipines, and Mexico City? Yup, I can totally see where the average American would be worried about losing jobs that are already being moved internationally. They got the tax breaks, and what happened? They said "screw it, lets save even MORE money and send American jobs overseas, screw the trickle-down effect". Sorry bud, this argument holds no ground......

NYinBostonFin
10-28-2008, 07:55 PM
Political forum........please?

MrEd
10-28-2008, 07:56 PM
No thanks...I've been tortured enough by the Bush administration and I'm getting off that train driven by McCain who looks, sounds, smeels, votes exactly like Bush. Haven't you had enough. Sounds like no, you must be making more than 250k! lol. Obama baby all the way!

No, NOBAMA wouldn't let me. Stop echoing what you hear in leftist misinforming ads. Grow some brains, dude.

http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

Here, you may learn a little something.

insomnia411
10-28-2008, 07:57 PM
My head hurts from this conversation so I'll put my personal cap on it.

For the past 8 years, this nation has been hijacked by a group of ruthless neo conservative thugs who have used our patriotism, our faith and our fears against us. They have used them against us to convince us that an unjustifiable war was necessary, to convince the houses to pass laws that shredded the constitution and centralized power in the executive branch, and they have effectively brought our once powerful economy to it's knees.
I'm not a huge Obama fan, but I certainly don't want more of the same, and I'd like it if my hard working middle class family (and the less fortunate) got to see some capital before the richest of the rich.
I'm not a democrat just a supporter of common sense.

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 07:57 PM
Miami fans are Republicans!! :boohoo:

Go Obama!
Go Miami!
Go Hurricanes!

PhinSoldia
10-28-2008, 07:57 PM
Thank you for proving my point that all left wing cultists do is insult without substance and without class.

Let me educate you. The Congress is "not" just the Senate, its the Senate "and" the House of Representatives. Ok?

Then, you don't pass a law "just" with the senate, u need the House too.

So, yes, just to enlighten you....the DEMOCRATS have controlled the CONGRESS the past 2 years.

If they didn't we would have been drilling offshore by now and the gas prices would have gone down earlier and the economy would have STAYED UP AS IT WAS THE FIRST 6 YEARS BEFORE THEY TOOK CONTROL! :rolleyes2:

i paid 2.39 for my gas today and you know what thats ok with me...

MrEd
10-28-2008, 07:57 PM
Political forum........please?

Bet you're a Liberal Democrat, right? They are always the ones who want to censor the TRUTH from being exposed. :woot:

http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

MrEd
10-28-2008, 07:59 PM
i paid 2.39 for my gas today and you know what thats ok with me...

yeah, "earlier" it would be there too. DEMS waited the whole summer to start passing bills. Why? they knew it would go down earlier. They were hoping to procrastinate as much as they can to make the economy as negative as they could right before the elections. Come dude.

http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

sonny
10-28-2008, 07:59 PM
The DEMOCRATS have refused Bush's call and the Republicans in Congress's call to drill offshore....so how do you figure that the DEM controlled Congress doesn't control the laws and economy in this country?

Bush wants to drill for oil. The Republicans in Congress want to drill for oil. So "who" is stopping them from doing so? :unsure:

Because Republicans don't control the agenda? maybe you're used to it. From 2000 to 2006 - the span of years in which they controlled the HOUSE, SENATE and PRESIDENCY - they were able to rubber stamp anything they wanted. And they did, hence why you (correctly) noted that they got things done. Nobody could stop them.

If that's the kind of democracy you want for this country, then I'm sorry to say that you're technically a fascist.

Second, if you knew anything about building drilling platforms, you'd know that we wouldn't be able to have them up and running for years. DRILL BABY DRILL is not a quick fix, regardless of what you've heard.

For the record, I agree. I think we ought to drill. But I know that it will take years to see any appreciable results, so I think we oughta figure something else out in the meantime ;)

MrEd
10-28-2008, 07:59 PM
Miami fans are Republicans!! :boohoo:

Go Obama!
Go Miami!
Go Hurricanes!

http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

MrEd
10-28-2008, 08:00 PM
Because Republicans don't control the agenda? maybe you're used to it. From 2000 to 2006 - the span of years in which they controlled the HOUSE, SENATE and PRESIDENCY - they were able to rubber stamp anything they wanted. And they did, hence why you (correctly) noted that they got things done. Nobody could stop them.

If that's the kind of democracy you want for this country, then I'm sorry to say that you're technically a fascist.

Second, if you knew anything about building drilling platforms, you'd know that we wouldn't be able to have them up and running for years. DRILL BABY DRILL is not a quick fix, regardless of what you've heard.

For the record, I agree. I think we ought to drill. But I know that it will take years to see any appreciable results

And notice that when they did control the first 6 years...our economy was NICE! now what? :unsure:

http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

MrEd
10-28-2008, 08:01 PM
My head hurts from this conversation so I'll put my personal cap on it.

For the past 8 years, this nation has been hijacked by a group of ruthless neo conservative thugs who have used our patriotism, our faith and our fears against us. They have used them against us to convince us that an unjustifiable war was necessary, to convince the houses to pass laws that shredded the constitution and centralized power in the executive branch, and they have effectively brought our once powerful economy to it's knees.
I'm not a huge Obama fan, but I certainly don't want more of the same, and I'd like it if my hard working middle class family (and the less fortunate) got to see some capital before the richest of the rich.
I'm not a democrat just a supporter of common sense.

What the truth hurts dont it?

Here more truth. http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

Locke
10-28-2008, 08:02 PM
What the truth hurts dont it?

Here more truth. http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

This is stupid. Any chance a mod can move this elsewhere......?

PhinSoldia
10-28-2008, 08:03 PM
Political forum........please?

thats what i thought!!! this conversation has gone dogma already...sucks

and if wayne sells the team WM already harvests 250K per year anyway so there really is not point...he just really looks like a little punk B**** in the process- the only thing he has done in the last 10 years for the franchise is hire Bill Parcells and the jury is out on that-

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 08:03 PM
Excuse me everyone, but this is a football forum. Let's not talk about politics, people will always remain ignorant and will never listen to your opinions. Don't let politics divide this franchise. Let's talk football.

I'm not worried about our game vs Denver.

MrEd
10-28-2008, 08:04 PM
:jt0323:

The problem with exposing ones political view on a football message board (that i have found) is two fold

1) You will never change anyones mind- ever- even if the facts prove your point- it will never happen

2) you will most certainly lose a lot of peoples respect just because of your ideals, its a shame really but its just the way life is. You just start seeing people differently

Hey that's just a fact of life. Lies and evil always pose a threat to truth and common decency.

But those decent people need to stand up for the truth nonetheless....or see it taking from you.

http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

milldog
10-28-2008, 08:04 PM
No, NOBAMA wouldn't let me. Stop echoing what you hear in leftist misinforming ads. Grow some brains, dude.

http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

Here, you may learn a little something.

Grow some brains??? How about start by calling our ideas centrist first of all angry repub. If you really opened you're eyes you'de see the dems ideas are way more centrist than left! And enough with trying to blame what you make on Obama big guy, Bush is you're president! Probably because you voted for him and support one of the worst presidents in American history so no, I won't hear a thing you say but feel free to try and change my (the majority) mind!

MrEd
10-28-2008, 08:05 PM
This is stupid. Any chance a mod can move this elsewhere......?

Let me guess again? you're a liberal Democrat, right? Always the ones who want to REMOVE TRUTH FROM THE PUBLIC EYE!

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

Locke
10-28-2008, 08:05 PM
Grow some brains??? How about start by calling our ideas centrist first of all angry repub. If you really opened you're eyes you'de see the dems ideas are way more centrist than left! And enough with trying to blame what you make on Obama big guy, Bush is you're president! Probably because you voted for him and support one of the worst presidents in American history so no, I won't hear a thing you say but feel free to try and change my (the majority) mind!

Cheers my friend......

MrEd
10-28-2008, 08:06 PM
Grow some brains??? How about start by calling our ideas centrist first of all angry repub. If you really opened you're eyes you'de see the dems ideas are way more centrist than left! And enough with trying to blame what you make on Obama big guy, Bush is you're president! Probably because you voted for him and support one of the worst presidents in American history so no, I won't hear a thing you say but feel free to try and change my (the majority) mind!

Um, hate to bust your bubble....BUSH IS YOUR PRESIDENT TOO.

http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

Locke
10-28-2008, 08:06 PM
Let me guess again? you're a liberal Democrat, right? Always the ones who want to REMOVE TRUTH FROM THE PUBLIC EYE!

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

Hey, why don't you address my initial post then? Avoiding a real point? I find it hard to take anyone seriously who capitalized every o in their posts and called it an "art form"......

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 08:07 PM
Let me guess again? you're a liberal Democrat, right? Always the ones who want to REMOVE TRUTH FROM THE PUBLIC EYE!

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction
Enough with that link. This is football. Obama is most likely going to win, like we are most likely going to win against Denver. I've read some Bronco forums and they seem very nervous about our passing and running game.

milldog
10-28-2008, 08:07 PM
Um, the Bush policies are the American policies. Yeah, the ones that this nation was founded on? Yeah, the ones that made this nation the greatest nation on God's green earth. (Sorry Dr Michael Medved, had to steal that one from you :D).

Um, yeah, the Bush policies, the ones that were working, despite a war, for the past 6 years until the DEMOCRATS took over Congress and sabotaged it and brought our economy to where it is?

I'm sick and tired of Liberal Democrats(not all Democrats: Joe Lieberman is the MAN!!!)...but I'm tired of the Liberals sticking there foot out so that Bush can fall and then critizing him for failing!!! :rolleyes2:

I'm sick and tired of Liberals making all these hypocritical accusations of the President of things that THEY are guilty of!

Anyone else ever notice that Republicans always have substance behind what they say and do so with class.....while Liberal Democrats all they do is insult the other side and without class all they do is lie and edit clips to make them say what they want them to say and just ridicule the other side like some elitist bigots that they are?

Um, look at records. That's all you need to see the light.

Thank God for FoxNews! If it weren't for them....we would have no clue about what the Liberal Propoganda Machine and all this misinformation is being spewed out to us from ALL ANGLES!!!

Let's see? MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, HOLLYWOOD, MTV, LIBERAL FASCIST PROFESSORS...etc.

Hey, some of us are strong minded enough to THINK for ourselves....we've escaped the plantain, have you?

Liberal Left wing nuts are so weak-minded that all they do is SUBMIT to what the media spoon feeds you with and need to go to left wing websites to learn what to say to counter the TRUTH. Pfft.:up:

Man you're an elitest huh? Thank God most don't feel like you or we'de be doomed!

sonny
10-28-2008, 08:08 PM
And notice that when they did control the first 6 years...our economy was NICE! now what? :unsure:

http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

Yeah, bubble economies are awesome. I love huge short term gains of fake money followed by unavoidable, precipitous depressions :woot:

:rolleyes2:

MrEd
10-28-2008, 08:09 PM
Enough with that link. This is football. Obama is most likely going to win, like we are most likely going to win against Denver. I've read some Bronco forums and they seem very nervous about our passing and running game.

Why are you dodging the link? Does truth hurt "that" much?

http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 08:09 PM
Watching the NFL replay and Cleveland used the wildcat for a nice gain.

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 08:09 PM
Why are you dodging the link? Does truth hurt "that" much?

http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction
1 man's opinion doesn't make it the truth.

MrEd
10-28-2008, 08:10 PM
Man you're an elitest huh? Thank God most don't feel like you or we'de be doomed!

Huh? Dude, do you know what an elitest is?

Watch these: http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 08:11 PM
A new owner is a new beginning for our team. Every week I grow more excited for our team.

MrEd
10-28-2008, 08:11 PM
1 man's opinion doesn't make it the truth.

Opinion? Opinions are those things you can't prove. Facts are those things that are verifiiable. This is verifiable and undenible FACTS.

Watch them all. Im sure you havent. Watch all of them first, then come and tell me if they are OPINIONS, or ACTUAL FACTS!

http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

Loyal Fin
10-28-2008, 08:12 PM
Obviously NOT a moderate...I just love how the left always tries to say they are moderate...somehow us folks who like to keep what we earn or would like to spend our money our own way are FASCIST...but you are somehow moderate...

Maybe statements like yours that are so over-the-top are the ones that boarder on fascism. If you can't win the debate...you attack the debaters.
:lol:
The fact that you say I'm "A" moderate when I said "I'm moderate" is telling... I meant I look at both sides.. I have sense, logic, reason.... it's understandable though.. Bipartisan patriotism
Conservatives put party before country.. Republicans think about parties BEFORE they even listen to the person...

It's depressing.. The right has these great ideas: WORK for your money, be INNOVATIVE, strong traditional family values, importance in positives like religion....yet the majority of conservatives are fat, lazy, and know nothing about diplomacy.

"I'm more American" is a typical conservative quote that steers me away from that side...
If listening to both sides of the story makes me a "liberal" then so be it....but the fact that you're out to place me in a party and use it against me does not suprise me.

and it's funny wayne is talking like Obama will win because I think Obama has NO chance. This country is rotten with people that will vote "for the white guy" or avoid voting for "the socialist"...putting political party before any of the supposed "issues". Simply voting for the republican because it's the "american" thing to do.....

what will I do? Nothing... Both candidates are liars and extremists....
I guess I'm not "American" enough to vote for someone this year.

NYinBostonFin
10-28-2008, 08:12 PM
Bet you're a Liberal Democrat, right? They are always the ones who want to censor the TRUTH from being exposed. :woot:

http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

Why are you attacking? You have no idea about me, or my politics. I just want a football forum to stay on football.

Not surprising though...I've been reading your attacks on others in this thread. Still fighting for good against evil are we?

And anyone that uses something called machosauceproduction from youtube, to prove their political point? Ridiculous

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 08:12 PM
Opinion? Opinions are those things you can't prove. Facts are those things that are verifiiable. This is verifiable and undenible FACTS.

Watch them all. Im sure you havent. Watch all of them first, then come and tell me if they are OPINIONS, or ACTUAL FACTS!

http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction
Why do I care? I went here to talk about the Miami Dolphins, not this so called "TRUTH."

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 08:14 PM
Why is it every time the NFL Network talks about us, it's always about the Wildcat?

MrEd
10-28-2008, 08:14 PM
Why are you attacking? You have no idea about me, or my politics. I just want a football forum to stay on football.

Not surprising though...I've been reading your attacks on others in this thread. Still fighting for good against evil are we?

And anyone that uses something called machosauceproduction from youtube, to prove their political point? Ridiculous

"YOU" attacked first. If you dont start nothing, there wont be nothing. You are the one who called for the TRUTH to be removed from the PUBLIC forum because you want to keep the TRUTH covered until after the elections.

http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

dreamwalker
10-28-2008, 08:15 PM
Hey that's just a fact of life. Lies and evil always pose a threat to truth and common decency.

But those decent people need to stand up for the truth nonetheless....or see it taking from you.

http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

I cannot go down this road here :lol:

I am big time into politics and so much so i am angry right now- I will say my wife and I are different ends of the poltical spectrum but we KNOW how to keep our life and politics seperate (although its touchy this time of the year)

But the truth is sometimes when she-well- talks (and she has a pretty high iq) I start wondering how could this woman with this kind of IQ be so- well be so ingorant. Thats why i try not to "give away" what I stand for, what i am so passonate about because ultimatly you only start losing respect for people you care about (and they you) AND you can never change their mind anyway.

NYinBostonFin
10-28-2008, 08:15 PM
"YOU" attacked first. If you dont start nothing, there wont be nothing. You are the one who called for the TRUTH to be removed from the PUBLIC forum because you want to keep the TRUTH covered until after the elections.

http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

What the hell are you talking about?

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 08:17 PM
"YOU" attacked first. If you dont start nothing, there wont be nothing. You are the one who called for the TRUTH to be removed from the PUBLIC forum because you want to keep the TRUTH covered until after the elections.

http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction
I'm 15 years old. I cant vote yet, but I am a Democrat. I support Barack Obama because my family is in desperate need of change. I'm dying to go to a Dolphins game, but my family can't afford it. I live like an hour away from Miami.

sonny
10-28-2008, 08:18 PM
What the hell are you talking about?
playing the victim, being a blowhard, etc

MrEd
10-28-2008, 08:20 PM
I'm 15 years old. I cant vote yet, but I am a Democrat. I support Barack Obama because my family is in desperate need of change. I'm dying to go to a Dolphins game, but my family can't afford it. I live like an hour away from Miami.

Im sure as glad that you are 15 then. Because you still need a lot to learn before you start affecting our country with your vote.

Here watch ever video then come and talk to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjo85WhbYqM

mroz
10-28-2008, 08:20 PM
H. Wayne Huizenga has been eyeing more than players' stats this season. As national polls swing further into the blue, the Miami Dolphins owner is saying he'd rather sell his team now than later, after Barack Obama is inaugurated.

"He wants to double the capital-gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga told the Sun-Sentinel in Fort Lauderdale. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him.

Source: Sun-Sentinel ( I cant post links yet )

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A lot of people are risking their business image this election season. :unsure:

Either way it can alienate.


What are you saying Wayne doesnt have the right to say what he thinks?

Dr. Phin
10-28-2008, 08:21 PM
:lol:
The fact that you say I'm "A" moderate when I said "I'm moderate" is telling... I meant I look at both sides.. I have sense, logic, reason.... it's understandable though.. Bipartisan patriotism
Conservatives put party before country.. Republicans think about parties BEFORE they even listen to the person...

It's depressing.. The right has these great ideas: WORK for your money, be INNOVATIVE, strong traditional family values, importance in positives like religion....yet the majority of conservatives are fat, lazy, and know nothing about diplomacy.

"I'm more American" is a typical conservative quote that steers me away from that side...
If listening to both sides of the story makes me a "liberal" then so be it....but the fact that you're out to place me in a party and use it against me does not suprise me.

and it's funny wayne is talking like Obama will win because I think Obama has NO chance. This country is rotten with people that will vote "for the white guy" or avoid voting for "the socialist"...putting political party before any of the supposed "issues". Simply voting for the republican because it's the "american" thing to do.....

what will I do? Nothing... Both candidates are liars and extremists....
I guess I'm not "American" enough to vote for someone this year.

It is really sad that you think that way, it shows that you have less faith in the American people than the Republicans do. You believe he will lose because of racism, while we believe he will win because we believe in the goodness of the American people.

I guess that's the difference between the left and the right...THE LEFT BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO CONTROL EVERYTHING BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT FAITH IN THE PEOPLE, WHILE THE RIGHT BELIEVES IN THE PEOPLE....SAD....just SAD....

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 08:23 PM
I say people shut up and vote for whoever they think is the best candidate. The Democrats are likely to take 60 seats, so if McCain wins there will be gridlock. People who generally vote for a Republican have money. If Obama wins then there will be change for the best or the worst. Florida (where I live), which contains the Miami Dolphins, appears to be a blue state right now. We have one of the worst housing markets in the entire country. I think we're the 2nd worst in the country. We need change. However, this a football forum. Talk about Miami.

sonny
10-28-2008, 08:23 PM
Have some faith in the decency of American people. Don't sell them short - they're all a lot smarter and more astute than you think.

Dr. Phin
10-28-2008, 08:24 PM
I'm 15 years old. I cant vote yet, but I am a Democrat. I support Barack Obama because my family is in desperate need of change. I'm dying to go to a Dolphins game, but my family can't afford it. I live like an hour away from Miami.

You know, I used to be a democrat also (partied alot and was an average guy)...then I started to make a decent living...then I started getting taxed...way too much...

I wish you all the best in life...and that you can one day have the American dream...at least the 20% that you will be allowed to keep by the time you are an adult...

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 08:26 PM
You know, I used to be a democrat also (partied alot and was an average guy)...then I started to make a decent living...then I started getting taxed...way too much...

I wish you all the best in life...and that you can one day have the American dream...at least the 20% that you will be allowed to keep by the time you are an adult...
I tend to be more Independent, but I usually lean toward the Democrats. However, I was born in the Clinton Era and have grown up in the crappy Bush Era.

Nighthawk
10-28-2008, 08:27 PM
I'm not even going to try to explain to you how a 'bubble' works, so I'm going to have to give you a civics lesson instead.

You're obviously not intelligent enough to realize this, but the Democrats do not control the Senate. They have 49 seats. The Republicans have 49 seats. There are two Independents. One of them (Lieberman) votes Republican. The other (Sanders) votes Democratic.

You are left with a 50/50 deadlock.

As you should (but probably do not) know, a bill must pass in both the House and Senate in order to become a law. And then it faces the third challenge:

We have a Republican president, who has made 12 vetoes since 2006.

The failure of the 110th Congress to get ANYTHING done is a direct result of the opposition that they face. A political party can't shove laws down our throat until they control both houses of Congress AND the Presidency. You know, the way that the Republicans did from 2000 to 2006.

You'll have to wait until January to see that in action again ;)

Actually you need to redo part of your civics lesson. True there are 2 independents in the Senate but they both caucus with the demonrats. Joe Lieberman is the current chairman of one of the Senate committees. The actual count in the Senate is 51 demonrats and 49 republicans.
In addition there is another step beyond the presidential veto where a bill can become law. It takes 2/3 of the vote in the house to overide he veto.

MrEd
10-28-2008, 08:27 PM
I say people shut up and vote for whoever they think is the best candidate. The Democrats are likely to take 60 seats, so if McCain wins there will be gridlock. People who generally vote for a Republican have money. If Obama wins then there will be change for the best or the worst. Florida (where I live), which contains the Miami Dolphins, appears to be a blue state right now. We have one of the worst housing markets in the entire country. I think we're the 2nd worst in the country. We need change. However, this a football forum. Talk about Miami.

MIAMI is a part of this country. We are just as much in danger of an Obama administration as any other state.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjo85WhbYqM

MrEd
10-28-2008, 08:28 PM
I tend to be more Independent, but I usually lean toward the Democrats. However, I was born in the Clinton Era and have grown up in the crappy Bush Era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjo85WhbYqM

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 08:30 PM
MIAMI is a part of this country. We are just as much in danger of an Obama administration as any other state.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjo85WhbYqM
Miami is not a state. Also, that's your opinion and I respect it. However, I disagree. As Americans we have the right to chose who we want to represent us. That's called democracy.

Loyal Fin
10-28-2008, 08:30 PM
It is really sad that you think that way, it shows that you have less faith in the American people than the Republicans do. You believe he will lose because of racism, while we believe he will win because we believe in the goodness of the American people.

I guess that's the difference between the left and the right...THE LEFT BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO CONTROL EVERYTHING BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT FAITH IN THE PEOPLE, WHILE THE RIGHT BELIEVES IN THE PEOPLE....SAD....just SAD....
the "left" believes anything from "the government needs to control" to "stimulating the economy through diplomatic relations with other countries"..from "the government should take care of the people" to "seperating church and state"..

the "right" believes anything from "the government needs to control" to "being a self reliant country" from "the people should take care of themselves" to "one man should dictate a whole country"..

this is why i refuse to speak about politics online. there are so many levels, angles, beliefs, sides, and views that it's difficult to debate through text. I'll leave the debates for my politics class... you know, someone that has STUDIED and doesn't speak with their heart first.

good day

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 08:32 PM
the "left" believes anything from "the government needs to control" to "creating diplomacy through relations with other countries"..from "the government should take care of the people" to "seperating church and state"..

the "right" believes anything from "the government needs to control" to "being a self reliant country" from "the people should take care of themselves" to "one man should dictate a whole country"..

this is why i refuse to speak about politics online. there are so many levels, angles, beliefs, sides, and views that it's difficult to debate through text. I'll leave the debates for my politics class... you know, someone that has STUDIED and doesn't speak with their heart first.

good day
Thank-you!!
Politics and religion are 2 things you NEVER debate about online. Especially on a FOOTBALL forum.

MrEd
10-28-2008, 08:32 PM
Miami is not a state. Also, that's your opinion and I respect it. However, I disagree. As Americans we have the right to chose who we want to represent us. That's called democracy.

stop putting words on my mouth, who the heck is talking about Miami being a state? Why do you think I've been putting this link on here over and over? Its a must see, that's why.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjo85WhbYqM

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 08:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjo85WhbYqM
Are you the man that speaks in these videos?

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 08:35 PM
I'm watching the NFL Replay. It's a nice game. Can't wait until the Broncos game, which is a must win for both teams.

sonny
10-28-2008, 08:36 PM
Actually you need to redo part of your civics lesson. True there are 2 independents in the Senate but they both caucus with the demonrats. Joe Lieberman is the current chairman of one of the Senate committees. The actual count in the Senate is 51 demonrats and 49 republicans.
In addition there is another step beyond the presidential veto where a bill can become law. It takes 2/3 of the vote in the house to overide he veto.

Lieberman does not caucus with Democrats anymore except on abortion rights issues. Pay attention.

And yes, you can override a veto. But you need a 2/3rds vote in both the House and the Senate. That's not a problem in the House. But it's much more difficult in the Senate, when you need all 50 Dems to unite and 17 Republicans to come across the aisle.

That's not easy, but it's happened 4 times since 2006. They've failed to override 8 vetoes.

Clipse
10-28-2008, 08:36 PM
I wonder if Wayne realizes that he'll losing more money with empty seats this year than he will from a marginal gain in taxation . . .

You guys wouldn't know 'socialism' if it walked up to you and slapped you in the face with its dick. You realize that taking more money from rich people gives you more, right? And that means you'll have more money to spend? And that, like a nice little consumer, you'll probably just give it right back to them?

Honestly, I'll never understand why you people will go to bat for people who make in a day what you make in a year. It's ludicrous. It's like you don't even know what 'rational self interest' means. You know what? For lacking the curiosity to learn how tax policies affect you, you deserve whatever you get.
Will you still have that philosophy when the rich person they take money from is your boss, and he decides to lay you off to make up the difference? No, I doubt you will.

At any rate, there is already 2 threads for this in the Political Forum,

Nighthawk
10-28-2008, 08:39 PM
Grow some brains??? How about start by calling our ideas centrist first of all angry repub. If you really opened you're eyes you'de see the dems ideas are way more centrist than left! And enough with trying to blame what you make on Obama big guy, Bush is you're president! Probably because you voted for him and support one of the worst presidents in American history so no, I won't hear a thing you say but feel free to try and change my (the majority) mind!

The majority in your own mind.:lol:

sonny
10-28-2008, 08:39 PM
It was a poor way of phrasing it. I'll make it simpler: Tax normal people less and they'll have more money to spend. They'll spend it on goods sold by corporations that are owned by rich people, which offsets the increased tax rates.

Everybody benefits.

Vaark
10-28-2008, 08:43 PM
You know, I used to be a democrat also (partied alot and was an average guy)...then I started to make a decent living...then I started getting taxed...way too much...

I wish you all the best in life...and that you can one day have the American dream...at least the 20% that you will be allowed to keep by the time you are an adult...

I make more than a decent living, pay more than my share of taxes (would rather be ina position to pay more than less, LOL), am an independent who frequently votes GOP in local elections, have voted for Reagan...BUT cannot reward someone who's voted in lockstep with a consitutionallly-trampling, fascist regime that IMO should be tried and hung for treason after the election.

It's funny how the RNC talking points disseminated by their Faux News agent to all the impressionable koolaid drinkers stresses "Obama socialism" when in fact like prior fascist regimes, the Bush cartel used a national tragedy to polarize the sheeple, consolidate, overstep and abuse their power, reward their rich Halliburton friends with no bid taxpayer abusively corrupt contracts and manufacture false "proof" of WMD's to do the Neoconi globalist bidding and abet its "mideast" policies while going from a budgetary surplus to a multi trillion $$ deficit. There's a point-by-point comparison floating around drawing scary corallaries between pre-war Nazi Germany and the antics of the Bush gang of jackals.

Sorry, I cannot vote for an enabler of 2 of the biggest villians in US history, no matter how well I do (and I am self-employed). Of course, if you like Bush, you'll like the "maverick" who voted with him up to 95% of the time! "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" - " WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN -The Who

Thanks but no thanks.

MrEd
10-28-2008, 08:46 PM
I make more than a decent living, pay more than my share of taxes (would rather be ina position to pay more than less, LOL), am an independent who frequently votes GOP in local elections, have voted for Reagan...BUT cannot reward someone who's voted in lockstep with a consitutionallly-trampling, fascist regime that IMO should be tried and hung for treason after the election.

It's funny how the RNC talking points disseminated by their Faux News agent to all the impressionable koolaid drinkers stresses "Obama socialism" when in fact like prior fascist regimes, the Bush cartel used a national tragedy to polarize the sheeple, consolidate, overstep and abuse their power, reward their rich Halliburton friends with no bid taxpayer abusively corrupt contracts and manufacture false "proof" of WMD's to do the Neoconi globalist bidding and abet its "mideast" policies while going from a budgetary surplus to a multi trillion $$ deficit. There's a point-by-point comparison floating around drawing scary corallaries between pre-war Nazi Germany and the antics of the Bush gang of jackals.

Sorry, I cannot vote for an enabler of 2 of the biggest villians in US history, no matter how well I do (and I am self-employed). Thanks but no thanks.

Funny how liberal democrats are in so far out a fantasy world that they just ridicule and insult whatever exposes there lies as false?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG4uppI_ttc&feature=related

kellyh3034
10-28-2008, 08:48 PM
Come on. Do you honestly think that black people would vote for Micheal Steele if he ran for president? Silly you.

BlueFin
10-28-2008, 08:49 PM
We've all known this was in the works and the process had already begun, lets not demonize Wayne here.

He has no children interested in the team, so why wouldn't he choose paying approximately 60 million in capital gains versus 120 million?

What would you do?

kellyh3034
10-28-2008, 08:50 PM
[quote=MrEd;1062683942]Um, hello? The bail out bill was a DEMOCRAT BILL? :sidelol:
Could not pass without Bush and the Rep.

Vaark
10-28-2008, 08:50 PM
Funny how liberal democrats are in so far out a fantasy world that they just ridicule and insult whatever exposes there lies as false?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG4uppI_ttc&feature=related

you're as delusional as you are gullible.. I'm a friggin Libertarian Einstein - but I do have an IQ higher than 90

I can sell this to you cheap if you hurry:

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2008/10/216gyb-1.jpg

Clipse
10-28-2008, 08:50 PM
It was a poor way of phrasing it. I'll make it simpler: Tax normal people less and they'll have more money to spend. They'll spend it on goods sold by corporations that are owned by rich people, which offsets the increased tax rates.

Everybody benefits.
Only after they raise the prices on all those items were buying...

Nighthawk
10-28-2008, 08:50 PM
Lieberman does not caucus with Democrats anymore except on abortion rights issues. Pay attention.

And yes, you can override a veto. But you need a 2/3rds vote in both the House and the Senate. That's not a problem in the House. But it's much more difficult in the Senate, when you need all 50 Dems to unite and 17 Republicans to come across the aisle.

That's not easy, but it's happened 4 times since 2006. They've failed to override 8 vetoes.

I am paying attention. Lieberman cauces with the democrats. It is why he is chairman of the Homeland Security Commitee in the Senate.

Clipse
10-28-2008, 08:52 PM
[quote=MrEd;1062683942]Um, hello? The bail out bill was a DEMOCRAT BILL? :sidelol:
Could not pass without Bush and the Rep.
That wasn't the point there bud. Mr Ed. was quoting somebody who tried to make it look as if the Republicans created the Bill, which they did not. Therefore he made a good point.

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 08:53 PM
You have NO idea what any of these terms come from do you? Do you even realize by calling me a marxist, you're calling me a communist? Of course you don't, you're here preaching something you know absolutely nothing about. Mommy and Daddy told you to vote for McCain, so here you are, spamming message boards, acting the fool, just like the little sheep you are. I'm a registered independent for the record, but that doesn't matter to someone like you does it.....?
You're right. He is one of the most ignorant Republican Conservatives I've ever seen. Locke sure is a communist, yah O.K.

13finfan4ever
10-28-2008, 08:54 PM
And guys, if Obama is a socialist.. McCain is a Fascist.

McCain is so far from fascist. But its ok In 4 years people will understand that obama is the death of the american dream and will vote republican.

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 08:55 PM
[quote=kellyh3034;1062684131]
That wasn't the point there bud. Mr Ed. was quoting somebody who tried to make it look as if the Republicans created the Bill, which they did not. Therefore he made a good point.
Bush wanted the bill to be passed. It was an effort on both sides.

Loyal Fin
10-28-2008, 08:57 PM
McCain is so far from fascist. You sir are an idiot, but its ok In 4 years people will understand that obama is the death of the american dream and will vote republican.
Obama is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR from a socialist.
You sir, cannot read.

McCain is not fascist and Obama is not a socialist. Both men think they want what's best for this country. Niether wants to ruin their country, they just have opposing ways to achieve their plan.
And considering I think Obama has ZERO chance of winning, I hope McCain does well.. you wouldn't know now at this point...im sure you think you can predict the future though..

MrEd
10-28-2008, 08:57 PM
[quote=Vaark;1062684132]you're as delusional as you are gullible.. I'm a friggin Libertarian Einstein - but I do have an IQ higher than 90

What bigoted response is that? :sidelol: You still got chains in your brain man. Open your mind dude...stop being stuck in your bigoted fantasy world. Yeah, you liberals are so close minded and judgmental that you can't see when the truth is being shown at you like the sun.

You guys feel that a child born with down syndrome should be put to death, yet you want to protect a convicted murderer? :err:

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 08:57 PM
McCain is so far from fascist. You sir are an idiot, but its ok In 4 years people will understand that obama is the death of the american dream and will vote republican.
How do you know? Are you psychic?
I respect your views but can you tell me why? I'm not trying to be rude, but I wonder why people say things like this. The American Dream has been dead for a long time. We're hardly a world power anymore and people don't respect us. We can't police the world.

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 08:59 PM
I kinda like this debate, but people are taking it to far.

MrEd
10-28-2008, 09:00 PM
Obama is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR from a socialist.
You sir, cannot read.

And you sir, can not see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxhYampIl7A&feature=related

Clipse
10-28-2008, 09:03 PM
Bush wanted the bill to be passed. It was an effort on both sides.
Again, democrats were the ones to introduce the bill. That is the point being made.

sonny
10-28-2008, 09:03 PM
I am paying attention. Lieberman cauces with the democrats. It is why he is chairman of the Homeland Security Commitee in the Senate.

It's a matter of semantics. He agreed to caucus with the Democrats in 2006 and was rewarded with the chair. Ever since the campaign began in 2007, he's followed McCain around like a puppy dog.

Now, because he spoke at the Republican National Convention in September, Reid is kicking him to the curb.

So you're technically right. He agreed to caucus, and was rewarded. But he hasn't come through on his promise. So he will be punished.

edit: this is a terrible thread

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 09:03 PM
[quote=Vaark;1062684132]you're as delusional as you are gullible.. I'm a friggin Libertarian Einstein - but I do have an IQ higher than 90

What bigoted response is that? :sidelol: You still got chains in your brain man. Open your mind dude...stop being stuck in your bigoted fantasy world. Yeah, you liberals are so close minded and judgmental that you can't see when the truth is being shown at you like the sun.

You guys feel that a child born with down syndrome should be put to death, yet you want to protect a convicted murderer? :err:
Dear Mr.Ed
Two things

1.) You never answered my question

2) What do the Conservatives do wrong?

Obama seems like a HUGE liberal because he has disagreed with almost everything Bush has done. McCain hurt himself in this election and Palin is acting like a diva. She is hurting the campaign and a lot of Republicans are starting to call it quits. Most likely Obama will win. What will you do if he wins? Move to China?

kellyh3034
10-28-2008, 09:04 PM
Um, the Bush policies are the American policies. Yeah, the ones that this nation was founded on? Yeah, the ones that made this nation the greatest nation on God's green earth. (Sorry Dr Michael Medved, had to steal that one from you :D).

Um, yeah, the Bush policies, the ones that were working, despite a war, for the past 6 years until the DEMOCRATS took over Congress and sabotaged it and brought our economy to where it is?

I'm sick and tired of Liberal Democrats(not all Democrats: Joe Lieberman is the MAN!!!)...but I'm tired of the Liberals sticking there foot out so that Bush can fall and then critizing him for failing!!! :rolleyes2:

I'm sick and tired of Liberals making all these hypocritical accusations of the President of things that THEY are guilty of!

Anyone else ever notice that Republicans always have substance behind what they say and do so with class.....while Liberal Democrats all they do is insult the other side and without class all they do is lie and edit clips to make them say what they want them to say and just ridicule the other side like some elitist bigots that they are?

Um, look at records. That's all you need to see the light.

Thank God for FoxNews! If it weren't for them....we would have no clue about what the Liberal Propoganda Machine and all this misinformation is being spewed out to us from ALL ANGLES!!!

Let's see? MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, HOLLYWOOD, MTV, LIBERAL FASCIST PROFESSORS...etc.

Hey, some of us are strong minded enough to THINK for ourselves....we've escaped the plantain, have you?

Liberal Left wing nuts are so weak-minded that all they do is SUBMIT to what the media spoon feeds you with and need to go to left wing websites to learn what to say to counter the TRUTH. Pfft.:up:
Substance? All you conservative do is keep saying the same thing over and over until you brainwash the masses into thinking or trying to think they way you do. Why can't people think for themselves? If Obama went to 6 different schools, made c's and d's, sounded like an idiot everytime he talked, wife was part of a speration from the union party, under investagation for abuse of power, found guilty of it, video on the serpartion party saying that got who they wanted as govener, this race would be over. Yea I know, you will say what about Wright, and Ayers and so on. Can't compare the two. The fact is you cannot be black in this country and have any kind of ? marks about you. None. But white people can have all kind of ? marks about them and still be PRESIDENT BUSH!!!!

Clipse
10-28-2008, 09:05 PM
[quote=MrEd;1062684153]
Two things

1.) You never answered my question

2) What do the Conservatives do wrong?

Obama seems like a HUGE liberal because he has disagreed with almost everything Bush has done. McCain hurt himself in this election and Palin is acting like a diva. She is hurting the campaign and a lot of Republicans are starting to call it quits. Most likely Obama will win. What will you do if he wins? Move to China?
No, Obama seems like a HUGE liberal because he is one :lol: Much too left for me to vote for.

Vaark
10-28-2008, 09:05 PM
[quote=Vaark;1062684132]you're as delusional as you are gullible.. I'm a friggin Libertarian Einstein - but I do have an IQ higher than 90

What bigoted response is that? :sidelol: You still got chains in your brain man. Open your mind dude...stop being stuck in your bigoted fantasy world. Yeah, you liberals are so close minded and judgmental that you can't see when the truth is being shown at you like the sun.

You guys feel that a child born with down syndrome should be put to death, yet you want to protect a convicted murderer? :err:

There ya go again Corky. I'm for the death penalty, I'm for an eye for an eye.. I'm for just wars, not boondoggles created to add protection for a country not ours and to line the pockets of friendly contractors.. Stop gulping the purple lemonade - you're sugared out! If it wasn't so pathetic, I'd laugh my azz off at all the hypocritical holy rollers who galvanize their efforts to prolong Terri Schiavo's non life, bomb abortion clinics, condone and celebrate the killing of abortion doctors but don't give a chit about the 100s of thousand of children killed and maimed as "collateral damage" in the illegal and obscene taxpayer expensed Iraq war. Again, I can let you have that bridge cheap if you hurry.

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 09:05 PM
Again, democrats were the ones to introduce the bill. That is the point being made.
I personally thought it was rushed.

MrEd
10-28-2008, 09:06 PM
Hey anyone been watching the PDiddy vids "for" NOBama on Youtube? Here's a response!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2amXLa-iZGw&feature=related

MrEd
10-28-2008, 09:07 PM
Again, democrats were the ones to introduce the bill. That is the point being made.

Exactly! What was Bush to do? He knew the DEMS had already sabotaged the economy what would the repercussions been had he vetoed the bill during the crisis at hand?

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 09:09 PM
Hey anyone been watching the PDiddy vids "for" NOBama on Youtube? Here's a response!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2amXLa-iZGw&feature=related
P. Diddy can't rap. However, he is a good producer. McCain has a very low chance of winning this election. However, as we learned from the Buffalo game, it's not over until it's over.

If the Bailout Plan was a bad bill, then Bush was stupid enough to sign it.

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 09:14 PM
Exactly! What was Bush to do? He knew the DEMS had already sabotaged the economy what would the repercussions been had he vetoed the bill during the crisis at hand?
Republicans ruined the country. Bush is arguably the worst president America has ever had. Bush and his administration put the economy into crap, made us fight a war, ect. When Clinton was in office in his late 2nd term, the economy was in pretty good shape. However, Congress was Republican and gridlock continued. Like I said, the country is turning Democratic because of Bush and the failing economy. Palin and Bush is what hurt McCain's campaign. People are losing faith in the Republicans and they are going to be in a hole for a long time. Sex scandals have also caused Republicans to start losing their seats.

MrEd
10-28-2008, 09:14 PM
A must see! Watch, too funny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbW64215HA8&feature=related

Clipse
10-28-2008, 09:16 PM
P. Diddy can't rap. However, he is a good producer. McCain has a very low chance of winning this election. However, as we learned from the Buffalo game, it's not over until it's over.

If the Bailout Plan was a bad bill, then Bush was stupid enough to sign it.
Guess who else was stupid enough to sign it? Barack Obama :lol:. But guess who else was stupid enough to sign it? John McCain :lol: Thank god I'm not dumb enough to get sucked into Obama nor McCain, Bob Barr 08!

Clipse
10-28-2008, 09:19 PM
Republicans ruined the country. Bush is arguably the worst president America has ever had. Bush and his administration put the economy into crap, made us fight a war, ect. When Clinton was in office in his late 2nd term, the economy was in pretty good shape. However, Congress was Republican and gridlock continued. Like I said, the country is turning Democratic because of Bush and the failing economy. Palin and Bush is what hurt McCain's campaign. People are losing faith in the Republicans and they are going to be in a hole for a long time. Sex scandals have also caused Republicans to start losing their seats.
1st off, would he still be such a bad president if the War in Iraq turns out a success? I doubt it, but we will see in 15 years or so from now.

2nd, the economy didn't go into shambles until we had a DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS, but put all the blame on Bush if you want, only making yourself look like a fool.

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 09:19 PM
A must see! Watch, too funny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbW64215HA8&feature=related
Enough with that. McCain can't even run his own campaign, never mind run the failing country. Palin has a negative approval rating. If McCain wins and dies in office, Palin will be president. The woman who believes that the VP runs the senate. Your going to put a young unexperienced woman in charge of changing this country that's in desperate need.

sonny
10-28-2008, 09:20 PM
Yeah, Barr 08! Who needs paved roads, snow plows, the FDA, public schools or social security anyway!

Clipse
10-28-2008, 09:23 PM
Enough with that. McCain can't even run his own campaign, never mind run the failing country. Palin has a negative approval rating. If McCain wins and dies in office, Palin will be president. The woman who believes that the VP runs the senate. Your going to put a young unexperienced woman in charge of changing this country that's in desperate need.
Funny, considering if you vote Obama you will be voting in a young, unexperienced man :lol:

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 09:24 PM
1st off, would he still be such a bad president if the War in Iraq turns out a success? I doubt it, but we will see in 15 years or so from now.

2nd, the economy didn't go into shambles until we had a DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS, but put all the blame on Bush if you want, only making yourself look like a fool.
Bush- Republican
Congress- Democratic

GRIDLOCK!! NOTHING DONE!!
You need a same party government to get things done. That is why I am Independent. Obama in order to be successful needs to use Syncretic politics. Clinton didn't in his first term and he struggled. In his 2nd term, he did and he had great success. Obama needs to listen to both sides of the government.

MrEd
10-28-2008, 09:25 PM
Republicans ruined the country. Bush is arguably the worst president America has ever had. Bush and his administration put the economy into crap, made us fight a war, ect. When Clinton was in office in his late 2nd term, the economy was in pretty good shape. However, Congress was Republican and gridlock continued. Like I said, the country is turning Democratic because of Bush and the failing economy. Palin and Bush is what hurt McCain's campaign. People are losing faith in the Republicans and they are going to be in a hole for a long time. Sex scandals have also caused Republicans to start losing their seats.

Dude, are you that uninformed? The economy was doing better than even the Clinton years the first 6 years then "coincidently" as soon as the Democrats take control of the Congress....the economy goes down? :unsure:

The Democrats refuse to allow for offshore drilling. This has us dependent on the terrorists for oil. Our dollar is going down because of it.

No one has more blood in their hands during this war than the liberal Democrats. This war would have been over and less soldiers would have lost their lives if the Democrats would have moved out of the way and let America win!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxhYampIl7A&feature=related

Clipse
10-28-2008, 09:25 PM
Yeah, Barr 08! Who needs paved roads, snow plows, the FDA, public schools or social security anyway!
Do a little more research please. It might surprise you how much we need better options than McCain and Obama. Hell, I'd vote Nader over any of those clowns. But I'll stick Bob Barr, thanks. But you're post is pretty silly so I'm not going to comment :lol:

napsndreds
10-28-2008, 09:25 PM
I always had respect for the intelligence of the people on this site ....... until now. Anyone that thinks continuing the policies of the Bush administration , even after 911 , katrina , lose of several personal rights (exc. orders), worest economic disaster since the great depression , 2 wars (one for no reason) , all the lies and cover ups. Voting for McBush and that silly beauty queen would be like asking Nick Saban's son to coach the Dolphins ..... please >>>>>> I'm a white , retired businessman with plenty of assets and I think Obama is by far the best option >>>>> don't bother replying cause I don't want to hear any right wing , racist remarks . P>S> Get that bigot Wayne H. out of here . He's a loser in football and only interested in his own butt anyways. GOOD NIGHT .... and hope the players don't read your crap.

Amen thread closed.

Clipse
10-28-2008, 09:27 PM
Bush- Republican
Congress- Democratic

GRIDLOCK!! NOTHING DONE!!
You need a same party government to get things done. That is why I am Independent. Obama in order to be successful needs to use Syncretic politics. Clinton didn't in his first term and he struggled. In his 2nd term, he did and he had great success. Obama needs to listen to both sides of the government.
No we don't need the same party to get anything done. We need to just get rid of the whole 2 party system, that is what needs to be done.

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 09:29 PM
Funny, considering if you vote Obama you will be voting in a young, unexperienced man :lol:
I agree that Obama ran for president to early, however his campaign is well organized. He seems more experienced then the VERY EXPERIENCED John McCain ATM. McCain's campaign still can't find a message to hurt Obama and many people are starting to doubt him. Palin has also took most of the attention away from McCain. People appear to be more enthusiastic at Palin and Obama/Bidens' rallies. Palin has completely disobeyed the campaign and is acting like a diva.

MrEd
10-28-2008, 09:30 PM
Enough with that. McCain can't even run his own campaign, never mind run the failing country. Palin has a negative approval rating. If McCain wins and dies in office, Palin will be president. The woman who believes that the VP runs the senate. Your going to put a young unexperienced woman in charge of changing this country that's in desperate need.

Palin has a negative approval rating???? R U serious? Man, the very reason why McCain even has a chance against goliath is "because" of Sara Palin.

You need to stop listening to these left wing propoganda machines like MSNBC and CNN and pay true attention to those people who they DONT include in their polls.

Yeah, that's right. You ever been polled? No. I've never been polled. Bet you no one in this forum's EVER been polled. Those polls are FAKE!

NOBama isn't popular. Sara Palin isn't negative...the opposite. MSNBC and CNN are trying to "influence" your thoughts. They are trying to scare the "strong" minded from voting....and hype the "weak" minded into voting for NOBama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxhYampIl7A&feature=related

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 09:32 PM
No we don't need the same party to get anything done. We need to just get rid of the whole 2 party system, that is what needs to be done.
I agree. The framers did not want political systems. I don't like them either. A great debate this thread has been.

sonny
10-28-2008, 09:32 PM
Do a little more research please. It might surprise you how much we need better options than McCain and Obama. Hell, I'd vote Nader over any of those clowns. But I'll stick Bob Barr, thanks. But you're post is pretty silly so I'm not going to comment :lol:

you just like him because he's got the only sensible drug policy out of the three :D

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 09:35 PM
Palin has a negative approval rating???? R U serious? Man, the very reason why McCain even has a chance against goliath is "because" of Sara Palin.

You need to stop listening to these left wing propoganda machines like MSNBC and CNN and pay true attention to those people who they DONT include in their polls.

Yeah, that's right. You ever been polled? No. I've never been polled. Bet you no one in this forum's EVER been polled. Those polls are FAKE!

NOBama isn't popular. Sara Palin isn't negative...the opposite. MSNBC and CNN are trying to "influence" your thoughts. They are trying to scare the "strong" minded from voting....and hype the "weak" minded into voting for NOBama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxhYampIl7A&feature=related
There has been polls, where you know, people vote. She has more of a disapproval rating then a good one. I think its like 55% of people who think she is not ready. That's pretty negative, which is what I meant.

Phanatical
10-28-2008, 09:37 PM
The Nobama girl says it all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADZnsIkpdQ&feature=related

Obamination isn't bad either:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X5Xy50LvMY&feature=related

I got it from Obama is funny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUSJRKGhRgQ&feature=related

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 09:40 PM
Also, the pick of Palin was a desperate move because Obama seemed presidential at the DNC and McCain really needed someone to help him in the polls. So he picked a person just as unexperienced as Obama to be his VP. In August (Where Democrats usually have bad luck), Palin put McCain in the lead. However, since then, things have returned back to normal and Obama still leads in the polls. Palin is now hurting the campaign because she is not listening to the campaign. She is doing it her way and McCain's campaign is struggling and they are starting to give up. However, it's not over until it's over.

MrEd
10-28-2008, 09:41 PM
you just like him because he's got the only sensible drug policy out of the three :D

See, that's the problem with the shallow minded. They are stuck with making it a more important issue something superficial instead of voting based on something that has a bigger impact on a nation's future.

Policies of a President will affect a country 4 years...but principles and the President's choices for Supreme Court will affect the next GENERATION of a country.

Right now, our Supreme Court has a 5-4 majority for left wing nuts that won't defend the life of an unborn child in the womb but will defend the life of a convicted murderer! :err:

The next President will appoint 3-5 more judges to the Supreme Court. "THAT" is the most important subject we should be concerned about. They are appointed for LIFE.

Roe v Wade will get overturned based on who we elect President. Marriage and the healthy family structure will be determined with who we elect President.

Instead of worrying about small dumb issues that can be changed in a few years if they dont work....worry about the BIG issues that will change a generation!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYRpIf2F9NA

If this doesn't move you? You are an animal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93cFOjDG-Ks&feature=related

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 09:41 PM
This race can either be a landslide or a tight race. There is still 7 days until Election Day.

Clipse
10-28-2008, 09:43 PM
I agree that Obama ran for president to early, however his campaign is well organized. He seems more experienced then the VERY EXPERIENCED John McCain ATM. McCain's campaign still can't find a message to hurt Obama and many people are starting to doubt him. Palin has also took most of the attention away from McCain. People appear to be more enthusiastic at Palin and Obama/Bidens' rallies. Palin has completely disobeyed the campaign and is acting like a diva.
When you are racking up the dollars Obama is, I would hope you're campaign is well organized

MrEd
10-28-2008, 09:43 PM
Guess who else was stupid enough to sign it? Barack Obama :lol:. But guess who else was stupid enough to sign it? John McCain :lol: Thank god I'm not dumb enough to get sucked into Obama nor McCain, Bob Barr 08!

:sidelol:

Clipse
10-28-2008, 09:44 PM
you just like him because he's got the only sensible drug policy out of the three :D
No, thats why Ron Paul was my 1st choice :up:




No just kidding (Ron Paul was my 1st choice though)

MrEd
10-28-2008, 09:46 PM
Also, the pick of Palin was a desperate move because Obama seemed presidential at the DNC and McCain really needed someone to help him in the polls. So he picked a person just as unexperienced as Obama to be his VP. In August (Where Democrats usually have bad luck), Palin put McCain in the lead. However, since then, things have returned back to normal and Obama still leads in the polls. Palin is now hurting the campaign because she is not listening to the campaign. She is doing it her way and McCain's campaign is struggling and they are starting to give up. However, it's not over until it's over.

Quite the opposite. If you actually really pay attention...it was "listening" to the campaign that brought her ratings down after being on top being herself. She is recently going 'back' to herself....and she is energizing the people again!

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 09:51 PM
Quite the opposite. If you actually really pay attention...it was "listening" to the campaign that brought her ratings down after being on top being herself. She is recently going 'back' to herself....and she is energizing the people again!
However, a little to late. Like I said it can go either way, but if Obama wins are strong Republicans going to flee America or whine everyday about their president? If Obama does a good job, what will you do? Eat crow?

SebasMiamiFan
10-28-2008, 09:53 PM
I'm tired of this debate. I'm young and I like hearing it from both sides. I want to be a Senator when I grow up. Thanks for the debate guys. At least we all have one thing in common. We all love the Miami Dolphins. I hope we win this Sunday. Good night.

sonny
10-28-2008, 09:55 PM
McCain's rallies are not big like Palin's. She might as well run for president. Obama's lead still remains strong.

The word is that she's eyeing 2012 :d-day:

Clipse
10-28-2008, 10:23 PM
The word is that she's eyeing 2012 :d-day:
By she you mean Clinton right? :up:

$$BWCJR78$$
10-28-2008, 11:53 PM
the man earned eveything he's done what is wrong with selling now knowing theres a good chance next year you'll have to pay more taxes if you sell. Funny thing is anyone selling there house will pay more taxes. People complain about ticket prices now, what do you think they will be with higher taxes.

Lungoystr
10-29-2008, 04:22 AM
I agree most hard working Americans would rather have more control of their own hard earned money than less. Americans are some of the most generous and compassionate people. I would rather have control than some bureaucrat in Washington.

This is why it is sad that Libertarians can't put up a decent candidate. We need to get rid of big government and return more power to the people.

dolfan06
10-29-2008, 08:41 AM
Why wouldn't he be serious ? You are talking about millions of dollars that he could save, give to charity, or will to his children.i don't think he needs to worry about saving money. i got a 16yd dumpster from waste management when we were building our house, didn't want all the building materials laying around and it was $350 delivered. was i surprised when i found out it was another $350 to pick it up, empty it and separate the recycle stuff.:err:

Bumpus
11-05-2008, 11:00 AM
See, that's the problem with the shallow minded. They are stuck with making it a more important issue something superficial instead of voting based on something that has a bigger impact on a nation's future.

Policies of a President will affect a country 4 years...but principles and the President's choices for Supreme Court will affect the next GENERATION of a country.
Right now, our Supreme Court has a 5-4 majority for left wing nuts that won't defend the life of an unborn child in the womb but will defend the life of a convicted murderer! :err:

The next President will appoint 3-5 more judges to the Supreme Court. "THAT" is the most important subject we should be concerned about. They are appointed for LIFE.

Roe v Wade will get overturned based on who we elect President. Marriage and the healthy family structure will be determined with who we elect President.

Instead of worrying about small dumb issues that can be changed in a few years if they dont work....worry about the BIG issues that will change a generation!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYRpIf2F9NA

If this doesn't move you? You are an animal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93cFOjDG-Ks&feature=related

The #1 reason that I voted Obama.:up: