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Orlando-FinsFan
11-04-2008, 08:56 PM
Adam Schefter, on the NFL Network, is announcing that DeAngelo Hall is going to be waived by the Raiders.

Anyone following the "Raidah's" know why?

Dtronic
11-04-2008, 08:58 PM
Adam Schefter reported Raiders will waive CB Deagelo Hall tomorrow so they will not have to pay him 16 mil in garn. salary.

X-Pacolypse
11-04-2008, 08:59 PM
I know it's been said a thousand times before.... but what in God's name is wrong with the Raiders?!?! How do they even have two wins?

GoonBoss
11-04-2008, 09:00 PM
That surprises me.

miami234ever
11-04-2008, 09:00 PM
LMAO No way! Are you serious?

flappy1
11-04-2008, 09:00 PM
mora got it right..hes a cancer

thefranchisedef
11-04-2008, 09:01 PM
here is our chance at some real cornerback talent.. if we dont pick him up then the patriots will... thats the last thing we need right now.. come on miami this is a no brainer

GoonBoss
11-04-2008, 09:07 PM
here is our chance at some real cornerback talent.. if we dont pick him up then the patriots will... thats the last thing we need right now.. come on miami this is a no brainer

That guy is a turd in a punchbowl.

CedarPhin
11-04-2008, 09:08 PM
Wow.

Raiders continue to show why they suck at the NFL.

finfan3223
11-04-2008, 09:11 PM
He has a lot of talent and I think everyone will agree on that, but the real question is can he be a real team player. If we think he can become what he is capable of becoming then there is our #1 corner, but I dont know if he will ever change how he is.

Taysia
11-04-2008, 09:12 PM
here is our chance at some real cornerback talent.. if we dont pick him up then the patriots will... thats the last thing we need right now.. come on miami this is a no brainer


We don't need to bring this waste to Miami!!! I live in Ga and watched this guy play he is overrated. His highlight reel is full of him getting burned. I don't know why everyone thinks he is so good. when he goes up against premiere receives he always comes up short. Never liked him, keep his *** far away from Miami. PLEASE!!!!!!:shakeno:

miami234ever
11-04-2008, 09:12 PM
The only thing he has going for him is his age. I wish he didn't talk so much trash though. Parcells loves Virginia/Virginia Tech players but hates trash talkers like that. We'll see how it plays out. But, since he was waived doesn't that mean that if we were to pick him up we would have to pick up his contract as well? I don't think I'm up for that.

Hass84
11-04-2008, 09:14 PM
i hope to god we dont sign this guy, for me he's been one of the most overrated players in the league for years and he's been really badly shown up in oakland recently. Please on one else say we should sign him! Im not to worried though parcell's not that stupid. If anyone wants to sign an oakland corner then lets go and get asomugha at the end of the season. Now there's a corner with real talent.

Yessir
11-04-2008, 09:14 PM
According to Shefter on NFL Network. Interesting...

Rhody Phins Fan
11-04-2008, 09:15 PM
He's a bad corner back.

Namor
11-04-2008, 09:15 PM
Somethings up....ALOT of baggage there.

gfish24
11-04-2008, 09:15 PM
We could use the talent back there, but he seems to destroy team chemistry...... NO

#1dolphinsfan
11-04-2008, 09:16 PM
Hell yea we should i wouldnt mind having him yea he isnt a Shut down Corner but he is better then andre goodman

Yessir
11-04-2008, 09:17 PM
I've been of the opinion that he was vastly overrated. But I mean I'd take a cheap flyer on here no question.

miamifreak20009
11-04-2008, 09:18 PM
so we still get first dibs in the waiver?

Taysia
11-04-2008, 09:18 PM
According to Shefter on NFL Network. Interesting...
HELL NO!!!!! Keep that waste far away from Miami!! There is a reason why 2 teams did not want him. He does nothing but get burned time and time again. All he is good for is running his mouth. I live in Ga and watched Mr Hall and I still don't know why people think he is so good.. HE IS OVERRATED!!!!!
:shakeno:

GMU
11-04-2008, 09:20 PM
Just saw on NFL network that the raiders plan to release D hall. Im not saying we should pick him up, but hes worth a look.

#1dolphinsfan
11-04-2008, 09:21 PM
merge

Dolphin Dave
11-04-2008, 09:21 PM
If the rumors of us releasing D. Hagen turn out to be true, I would not be surprised to find out that it was to make room to claim Hall. The timing is too coincidental. Oakland is going to be out the signing bonus and dead money on his contract. Why not claim him? If Parcells can't control him no one can.

WVDolphan
11-04-2008, 09:22 PM
here is our chance at some real cornerback talent.. if we dont pick him up then the patriots will... thats the last thing we need right now.. come on miami this is a no brainer

He's talented? Since when?

GoonBoss
11-04-2008, 09:25 PM
merge

:kick:

burger13
11-04-2008, 09:27 PM
so we still get first dibs in the waiver?


yes we do....so there will be absolutely no question whether we wanted him or not.

JT-forpresident
11-04-2008, 09:30 PM
woooooow... i don't think we'll sign him, he's a cancer, but i'm thinking with veterans like porter and ferguson who could keep him from getting all noisy, i think there's a slight possibility that the dolphins will be interested...

JT-forpresident
11-04-2008, 09:31 PM
He's talented? Since when?

you kiddin, right ? he's as talented as he is bad mouthed, that's been the main problem

burger13
11-04-2008, 09:32 PM
woooooow... i don't think we'll sign him, he's a cancer, but i'm thinking with veterans like porter and ferguson who could keep him from getting all noisy, i think there's a slight possibility that the dolphins will be interested...


correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we just clear up a roster spot?? :err:

milldog
11-04-2008, 09:32 PM
The only thing he has going for him is his age. I wish he didn't talk so much trash though. Parcells loves Virginia/Virginia Tech players but hates trash talkers like that. We'll see how it plays out. But, since he was waived doesn't that mean that if we were to pick him up we would have to pick up his contract as well? I don't think I'm up for that.

We got him, his name is Jason Allen

GMU
11-04-2008, 09:32 PM
cancer or not we still need to sign this guy. Ill take him over goodman and lehan. If he starts acting up we cut his butt. Doesnt oakland take the cap hit?

GoonBoss
11-04-2008, 09:35 PM
correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we just clear up a roster spot?? :err:

Ahyup

burger13
11-04-2008, 09:36 PM
yes we do....so there will be absolutely no question whether we wanted him or not.

nevermind I take that back....even if they do want him, they don't want that inflated Oakland Raiders contract he just signed...he'll clear waivers.

X-Pacolypse
11-04-2008, 09:36 PM
I can't see Bill bringing in DeAngelo Hall.

GoonBoss
11-04-2008, 09:38 PM
nevermind I take that back....even if they do want him, they don't want that inflated Oakland Raiders contract he just signed...he'll clear waivers.

Oakland paid FAR out the *** for him.....I believe they are still on the hook for some of that though.

rkit55
11-04-2008, 09:40 PM
NFL.com Headlines (sorry but i cant post links yet)

The Raiders are on the verge of releasing Pro Bowl cornerback DeAngelo Hall on Wednesday, according to multiple NFL sources.

Oakland is planning to waive him now so as to avoid paying Hall the $16 million worth of injury-guaranteed bonuses in his contract. It is too much of a risk for a Raiders team that still needs to do more rebuilding.

He would have to clear waivers because I dont think he's worth the money of his current contract, but if he becomes available, I think it may be worth a look.

He's a young guy that has raw talent and instincts, and ran a 4.25 40 (or something in that range) if i remember correctly. He would be a big help for years to come.

Thoughts?

slosh13
11-04-2008, 09:43 PM
NO WAY!!!!!! He is one of the most overrated DB's in the NFL

elite14eva
11-04-2008, 09:43 PM
we won't sign him.

X-Pacolypse
11-04-2008, 09:43 PM
Merge with the 10,000 other DeAngelo Hall threads.

Aussiefinfan54
11-04-2008, 09:46 PM
just saw this on rotoworld, i dont know if he would fit in with our front office with his 'colourfull' caracter. No doubt he has some talent and is a potential playmaker but i think that he is extremely overrated and look how badly he has struggled this year being targeted playing across from asmougha

FINatic054
11-04-2008, 09:48 PM
i do believe you to be right kind sir... When i heard Hagan was released i thought something was up..now i see what. I think we should sign him. he wont be a cancer in our locker room bc J Peezy will smack his tiny as* if he needs to. he is very talented and ill take him over lehan anyday. GO FINS!!!!

Gadsden86
11-04-2008, 09:50 PM
Wow great player Horrid attitude. So with that being said i dont think i'd want him just b/c of the attitude he has.

Dfan06
11-04-2008, 09:53 PM
Holy sh***, Bring Him in now. Goodman is not that great. Jason Allen, Will Allen and Dangelo Hall would be a very sweet combo. That means we wont have to waste a pick on a cornerback and just draft a safety. Also this would allow us to load up on linebackers and more D-line.

Nappy Roots
11-04-2008, 09:55 PM
hall is possibly the worst starting cb in the league. no thanks.

miami234ever
11-04-2008, 09:55 PM
We got him, his name is Jason Allen

Umm...what are you talking about? I mentioned a player from Virginia/Virginia Tech with a big contract who talks trash and you tell me that's Jason Allen? Seems like Jason Allen still gets blamed for everything around here. :lol:

Orlando-FinsFan
11-04-2008, 09:56 PM
Does anyone know the exact financials a Team would be on the hook for if they choose to claim him?

Depending on the $$$$, I don't see this being a bad signing. He can't be worse than what we have....

Spray Mucus
11-04-2008, 09:59 PM
Hell yea we should i wouldnt mind having him yea he isnt a Shut down Corner but he is better then andre goodman

Ask Brandon Marshall that.

GMU
11-04-2008, 10:01 PM
Ill take Deangelo's 3 picks. Regardless of how overated he is, he is an upgrade to our secondary.

athrun340
11-04-2008, 10:13 PM
whoa.. wtf is up with the raiders organization? lol i feel bad for their fans

and yes we MUST SIGN deangelo hall. This could be a defining move that will put our team to another level!!! c'mon Bill

Dtronic
11-04-2008, 10:17 PM
Does anyone know the exact financials a Team would be on the hook for if they choose to claim him?

Depending on the $$$$, I don't see this being a bad signing. He can't be worse than what we have....


17 Mil that is guaranteed. He signed for 24 guaranteed and the Raiders are responsible for 7-8 of that. If he is picked off waivers, that team has to cover the rest.

If no one pick him up off waivers then he is a free agent and no contract applies.

KTOWNFINFAN
11-04-2008, 10:17 PM
Why do people keep slaming Goodman?? He made play after play Sunday and has made plenty of plays this year. I think Goodman is our 2nd best corner. As for Hall, bring him on board, the raiders team is a cancer. Any one would love life after living in the enviroment. He would be a model character after seeing how bad life can truely be. Bring him in.

ssnjamerson
11-04-2008, 10:29 PM
YES YES bring him in if hes wiling to play in MIAMI. It is goona be his choice where he plays. He is not gonna get the 7 yr 70 mil contract the Raiders gave him. Hell have to play cheaper. But he still has alot of talent. If we dont sign him whos left. The Raiders are clearing house to have enough money to sign Asomugha next year. There is word that DT Tommy Kelly could be realeased too. He has talent. But Hall would be a good addition for the right price. Gamble and Asomugha will be franchised prob if not resigned. Unless we trade for Lito-- Hall is the answer.

67Stang
11-04-2008, 10:31 PM
Al Davis started having competition from Hall on who was the biggest cancer to the Raiders, so Al cut his Ace!

3rdandinches
11-04-2008, 10:34 PM
Read this from ESPN....http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3683124

Interesting idea but maybe way too much of a head case for this young team.

67Stang
11-04-2008, 10:38 PM
Merge

PENNDOLPHAN
11-04-2008, 10:39 PM
Wow, i dont even care about signing Hall, lol. The fact that they released him is crazy. What is wrong with that organization?

finfan3223
11-04-2008, 10:41 PM
Merge


How many times will this be merged:sidelol:

3rdandinches
11-04-2008, 10:41 PM
Didn't see it sorry!

MarinoForPres
11-04-2008, 10:42 PM
it is reported that deangelo hall maybe released by oakland. should we take a look at him we could use another corner i know jason allen has been playing well but this guy is still young. i am well aware of his problems when he was in atlanta but he seems to be better in oakland. i am undecided if we should our D is playing well and we have none of these pre madonnas on our team. but given his upside and history to the tuna i think we should look into him.
heres the link. http://blogs.nfl.com/category/adam-schefter/

WatCanBrownDo4U
11-04-2008, 10:44 PM
ill give u 3 reasons why we should sign him..

1.andre goodman
2.andre goodman
and
3.andre goodman

and oh yea michael lehan went on IR so im pretty sure bill will make the move

GoonBoss
11-04-2008, 10:45 PM
How many times will this be merged:sidelol:

5 at last count. I can't believe it's beating the Brady Quinn starting threads.

Pitbull13
11-04-2008, 10:45 PM
History to the Tuna? What are you talking about?

Pitbull13
11-04-2008, 10:46 PM
We did release Hagan.

finfan3223
11-04-2008, 10:47 PM
i do believe you to be right kind sir... When i heard Hagan was released i thought something was up..now i see what. I think we should sign him. he wont be a cancer in our locker room bc J Peezy will smack his tiny as* if he needs to. he is very talented and ill take him over lehan anyday. GO FINS!!!!


:sidelol::sidelol:

FINatic054
11-04-2008, 10:48 PM
according to PFT, we are not one of the teams to be interested in Hall. Not good because i think he would be a great addition. Pats are one of the teams who are interested though.. i hate them
http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/ link

StraightDirrrty
11-04-2008, 10:49 PM
I would take a look but I wouldn't pay him the money he would want. He would have to have a incentive based contract. I know the talent is there but i think he got too cocky for his own good. Hes a good CB or was but not GREAT. Still a upgrade if we put them out there with will allen

EvilDylan
11-04-2008, 10:49 PM
merge times eleventy billion

finfan3223
11-04-2008, 10:50 PM
5 at last count. I can't believe it's beating the Brady Quinn starting threads.

I didnt think about that, but i know what you mean.

StraightDirrrty
11-04-2008, 10:51 PM
If anything we should just get him so the Pats dont make him a superstar Haha

Geforce
11-04-2008, 10:55 PM
ill give u 3 reasons why we should sign him..

1.andre goodman
2.andre goodman
and
3.andre goodman

and oh yea michael lehan went on IR so im pretty sure bill will make the move
I'll give you 4 reasons why we should not sign him...
1. bad attitude
2. not a team player
3. cancer in the locker room
4. bad attitude

You must not have seen Andre Goodman play the past two weeks. After he took time off to attend a personal matter, he has been playing very good against some outstanding wide receivers like Lee Evans and Brandon Marshall.

SR 7
11-04-2008, 10:59 PM
it is said they are going to purge the team with possibly 15 more cuts before next season and kelly, hall and walker are on that list. I dont have a link but some dude on another forum posted it via PFT I "THINK"i cant rem whcih site he quoted.

also said the rumor is so they can spend all that money to give to Asomugha instead.

Heinegrabber
11-04-2008, 11:17 PM
CB D. Hall
WR J. Walker

Do we move on any of them i think we would have to get them of of waivers.

The link is on espn.

Geforce
11-04-2008, 11:18 PM
Thanks for the update but this has already been posted several times already.

DefensiveEnd76
11-04-2008, 11:19 PM
They have too many years in to be on waivers don't they?? Won't they be outright released and free to sign with any team?

calientecarlos
11-04-2008, 11:20 PM
CB D. Hall
WR J. Walker

Do we move on any of them i think we would have to get them of of waivers.

The link is on espn.

WEEEEEEEEE KNNNNNNNNNOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!! Its been posted a good 7 times.

rogergould1313
11-04-2008, 11:23 PM
we should jump all over him...

GoonBoss
11-04-2008, 11:24 PM
WEEEEEEEEE KNNNNNNNNNOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!! Its been posted a good 7 times.
:gonzo:

houtz
11-04-2008, 11:26 PM
You should learn to post faster ;)

FINSBeck9
11-04-2008, 11:34 PM
I would love to get Hall! Although I have to say our Corners have stepped up as of recent. But Hall is a true talent, but do we want a TO type headache? One thing that we really have going for us right now is our team chemistry. Will be interesting either way to see who picks him up.

They traded a 2nd for nothing, that sucks....We should know...Feely, Culpepper, Green. hmmm...Glad those days are over.

mexican phin
11-04-2008, 11:43 PM
Do you think we should bring him? He's playing bad, but he has more int's than any in our secondary(3).

Go Fins!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3683124

RothFan
11-04-2008, 11:47 PM
I would not mind it, but he has to be a team player if he comes in.

utahphinsfan
11-04-2008, 11:47 PM
but what in God's name is wrong with the Raiders?!?!

Restating the obvious; Al Davis.


How do they even have two wins?

It's better to be lucky than good? :D

bigchub22
11-04-2008, 11:47 PM
I just saw that...personaly i hate the guys attitude but who knows i dont think anyone can play up to there potential and be excited being a part of that organization right now....we shall see but i dont think we go after him

BMac420
11-04-2008, 11:48 PM
hes expensive and a cancer....pass

Bofin
11-04-2008, 11:50 PM
turn over every rock, right?? gotta have a look

GoonBoss
11-04-2008, 11:51 PM
So......dizzy.....must.....merge......thread....

feelthepain
11-04-2008, 11:52 PM
Hall has 48 tkls and 3 int's through 8 games with the Raiders, their secondary is the strongest unit on the team. I think Hall could make us better and none of us know why Hall could possibly be released. Our situation is headed in the right direction and winning makes people happy. Also didn't we just clear a roster spot today?? Hmmmm!!!

As for Mora, wasn't his little Boy Dauntes first HC? I'll bet Hall had a few choice words for Jr. and Daddy wasn't happy about it. Besides, I think Sr. is an idiot, so I don't take anything he says to heart anyways.

dolfanforever90
11-05-2008, 12:11 AM
The Raiders are on the verge of releasing Pro Bowl cornerback DeAngelo Hall on Wednesday, according to multiple NFL sources. i think it could help in depth and can put more fear in other teams. Can people say playoff run.:up::woot:

3rdandinches
11-05-2008, 12:11 AM
Hall's getting cut to save them from having to guarentee his 16 mil in the contract.
If we pick him up then I believe we would be guarenteeing him it. No thanks.

cafinfan408
11-05-2008, 12:13 AM
since when is he pretty good?
i live in the bay and if you have watched him at ALL this year he is no where near where he was 3 years ago.
He has not covered anyone since T.O spit on him

SSMITH24
11-05-2008, 12:13 AM
Dang this would be a big time pick up for us if parcells can work some magic. Come on do it......

FinAtic8480
11-05-2008, 12:14 AM
Well, Miami was interested in Hall and we just cut Hagan. They can be trying to make a run at the kid. You know our Secondary is a weak point and Ireland might try to make a playoff run. He has to clear waiver and get to us first. I think our secondary would look like this.

Allen
Hall
Allen
Goodman

That is an extreme upgrade we will see. His attitude sucks though.

Chamber84
11-05-2008, 12:31 AM
Oakland is planning on releasing CB Deangelo Hall and WR Javon Walker. I think th dolphins should seriously think about signing these guys because Miami lacks a shutdown secondary and a star wide reciever. Both these guys could be a huge boost.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3683124

cafinfan408
11-05-2008, 12:31 AM
i live in the bay he has been trash for the last 2 to 3 years.

bigchub22
11-05-2008, 12:32 AM
already posted and no thank you

IDFinFan
11-05-2008, 12:32 AM
Uhh yah...in spite of all this improvement we have shown, we go out and pull an AL DAVIS?!!? No i dont think these are moves we make. Unless we get D. Hall at a steal of a price...which wont happen.

FinAtic8480
11-05-2008, 12:34 AM
No offense, but Javon Walker needs to retire. The guy is injury prone and has been horrible for the Raiders. Hall I would take if he shots up and steps up again. His play in Oakland was not the best and his big contract really scares me. I would much rather sign Ty Law and not consider neither of the two you just mentioned

Caliphinfan23
11-05-2008, 12:36 AM
My first thought is that there must be a reason why they are releasing him. Did he get arrested for something? Why do you pay a guy that much jack and then cut him loose after 8 games? And Javon?

I'm not sure that I would pick em up though...even w how much of a liability our secondary is. They're both pain in the areses and not Parcells guys.

greasyObnoxious
11-05-2008, 12:38 AM
"shutdown secondary" and "star wide receiver" pretty much rules out Hall and Walker

Pennington10
11-05-2008, 12:38 AM
Walker is done, that is a big no, I don't want Hall here either.

WVDolphan
11-05-2008, 12:40 AM
When are people going to look beyond a name and realize that Hall is easily one of the worst corners in the league? The guy gets TOASTED on the regular. Teams have thrown the ball all over the Faiders and you know that Asumaguamahuehamgama kid is solid.

As for Walker.....you know Parcells hates guys who cant stay out of the hot tubs and ice tubs. He is injured way too much. On top of that he just hasnt really produced in over a year.

No thanks to either. I would rather have Ty Law who while a little old, is a proven gamer.

Goin` Deep
11-05-2008, 12:44 AM
The last thing this team needs are a couple of overrated players like Hall and Walker coming in here with their 'me first' attitude.

nando03
11-05-2008, 12:50 AM
Michael Huff is supposed to be released as well. I wouldn't mind picking him up since Jason Allen is going to be playing CB from now on. He's young with great intagibles and seemed like he could have been a solid Safety.

mtlfinfan
11-05-2008, 12:54 AM
If the Raiders do release DeAngelo, should we pick him up or will it break the defenses chemistry?

http://blogs.nfl.com/category/adam-schefter/

taylormvp99
11-05-2008, 12:55 AM
LOL the Raiders are releasing him. He's terrible.

Geforce
11-05-2008, 12:58 AM
If the Raiders do release DeAngelo, should we pick him up or will it break the defenses chemistry?

http://blogs.nfl.com/category/adam-schefter/
Join the discussion here..
http://www.finheaven.com/forums/f3/merged-x10-000-raiders-to-waive-deangelo-hall-233472.html

mtlfinfan
11-05-2008, 01:00 AM
Sorry

daniel3
11-05-2008, 01:03 AM
If they release Huff the NFL should step in and just put a freeze on all their player movements. Either way those people saying they'd rather have Ty Law than Hall are crazy. If Hall can come here for something reasonable (i.e. half as much as what he got to go to Oakland), you gotta take him. He isn't as good as he is hyped, but dude is still good.

FINMAN13
11-05-2008, 01:17 AM
He has been burned a lot this year. He was the #2 in Oakland and never had so many balls thrown his way. He is a speedy CB that makes plays, but the problem is that he is so aggressive that he gives up big plays to often during the game. He has ego issues like most do at that level. When he makes a mistake he either gives too much room off the line or trys to jump the WR's first move and gets beat deep. He is a little bit head strong and needed this to happen.

Bad teams can ruin players, no matter how much talent they have. The ones that work through it have thick skin and strong character. Otherwise they just seem to simply put...suck most of the time. However, a fresh start can help players like Hall get back to being a solid playmaker.

It would be a good price tag for most teams to claim him at 16 mil guaranteed. I would have thought 2 games ago that Miami would be a good spot for him. Bill Parcells has bestowed control and focus with this team right now. He has hired the right guys and as a group they have made some really good calls up to this point. But after last game, you must confess that if the coaches can gameplan like they did vs. the pony's they have enough talent to hide weak spots on critical downs. They played their great defense in pretty much all the key plays last game.

So, if they bring in Hall now...

That could really mess up things for Miami this year and next. It is a very large risk at this point in time. Miami has built a solid foundation of players to build towards next season. Hall could cause havok, even if he was cut 3 weeks after we sign him. Simply not worth the risk at this time...

He will not make it through waviers and will sign with a good team that is in need of a #1-3 CB right now. I think he will play much better with the new team, if his head is in the game and not all about him. He has enough talent to play smart and team oriented and still make big plays for team each game. But getting him to give up some of the me...me...me, is harder than most would think.

Miami will ride out the season with our DB's for the most part. No big name pick-ups, but next off season they will secure a strong player for #2-3 CB position in the draft. There will be no big free agent CB's not getting resigned, tagged or traded for fair market value. But the draft will have plenty to choose from...even with Miami ending in the 15th - 32nd pick!

Also...I am a Hall fan and a HUGE VT fan. Live in the Bburg area! That says a lot when I am not for the signing of him right now, even at the current price tag of 16 mil.

ska_man
11-05-2008, 01:25 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3683124


definitely would help the secondary.

thoughts?

Ginn & Juice
11-05-2008, 01:26 AM
A few weeks ago this would've looked like a nice pick up for Miami with the way our secondary was playing. But these pass two weeks they've been playing great. Even though what would you guys think about Miami picking him up and his 7 year contract for $70 mil.

PeterNorth
11-05-2008, 01:28 AM
No. Just no.

ADavieDolphin
11-05-2008, 01:28 AM
we can afford it, but parcells says no.
a selvish player like that never deserves a contract so large...
unless that money is comming from Al Davis' old nasty, wrinkly hands

ADavieDolphin
11-05-2008, 01:30 AM
no way, not off waivers, let somone else waste that money
if he clears waivers, we can offer him 5 mil a year for 2-3 years and i'd be okay with that

islanddolphin
11-05-2008, 03:32 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3683124

Would Hall help the Dolphins this season and into the future? Will Bill Parcells sign him? The Raiders are about to release him and he will make a difference on this team. He does peak into the backfield too much, but he does make a lot of game changing plays and would make a great starting combo with Will Allen. This way the Dolphins wouldnt have to draft a corner in the first round next year. He is definitely worth a look and he is still young.

FALCONS24-7-365
11-05-2008, 05:37 AM
I'll go ahead and end this convo....YOU DO NOT WANT HIM...We sat and waited for 4 years for him to develop and be "the greatest"...never happened....He garnered the greatest hype in the NFL s much that it covered up his horrible play. All the while we waited he got a pick here and there while raising hell like pacman jones on the field...nothing but personal fouls and smack talk..... He is garbage take it from my experience with the falcons....if you get him you will get Joey Porter attitude - the skill and way bigger mouth....

Tommy-tiger
11-05-2008, 05:44 AM
http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/11/04/raiders-to-release-cb-hall/

Oraclepz
11-05-2008, 09:21 AM
we gotta keep the plan in tact... continue getting younger by drafting... i rather get a cheaper alternative by signing LAW .... i wouldnt be opposed to that... so please b4 they even start ... dont do it we dont need HALL!

Phinglish
11-05-2008, 09:24 AM
Great post.

Dude, you coulda at least looked down the forum. There are already thousands of posts just like this.

Oraclepz
11-05-2008, 09:27 AM
Great post.

Dude, you coulda at least looked down the forum. There are already thousands of posts just like this.



sorry i figured i looked down.. they must have been posted a while ago...

DefensiveEnd76
11-05-2008, 09:37 AM
Hall is a lockerroom cancer. We don't need that ego maniac goofball

FinaticalOne
11-05-2008, 09:45 AM
Just a little FYI. I'm not sure about him myself, but I would like to hear what everyone else thinks.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3683124

GoonBoss
11-05-2008, 09:45 AM
:impatient:

Dear God,

It's me...GoonBoss....Please let it stop.

Amen.

dlockz
11-05-2008, 12:25 PM
Say what you want but Hall has proven more as an NFL cornerback than anyone on our team outside of Will Allen. I dont see how it would hurt to take a flyer. The raiders just have no clue. I love how people act like Jason allen is better than him and what has Allen proved?

MACKMARINO269
11-05-2008, 12:47 PM
Talent Yes
Headache Yes
No Thank You
Bill Parcells Wants No Nonsense Players, He Has Been A Headcase Since His Second Year And We Want A Positive Outlook On This Team Not A Negative One.

#1dolphinsfan
11-05-2008, 12:54 PM
ProFootballTalk reports the cost to claim CB DeAngelo Hall on waivers is just the pro-rated portion of his $1 million salary, which is roughly $470,000.
i heard most people yesterday saying it was going to be like 8 Million and it is only 1 million i think we should take a shot at him

Link
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2773

Phinglish
11-05-2008, 12:55 PM
They should re-name this place Hallheaven.

CitizenSnips
11-05-2008, 12:57 PM
way to much. Screw him.

finfan3223
11-05-2008, 12:58 PM
I was not really wating them to bring Hall in, but if its only gonna cost that much then i dont see the problem with it. If Hall even begins to act up I would think Tony Sparano wouldnt take any of his sh!t, and just release him.

tmny99
11-05-2008, 12:59 PM
Are you kidding me??? I live in Atlanta so I've had the "pleasure" of watching this guy play for a long time and believe me, he sucks. He's not a team guy and he bites too much on double moves. He's the poster boy for getting toasted. No thanks, I'll take Goodman and a developing Jason Allen.

dlockz
11-05-2008, 12:59 PM
With our secondary needing an influx of talent why pass on a guy that is just a year removed from back to back pro bowl years. People have short memories. Oakland is a mess right now and there is a sense of a sunk ship already. If Al Davis continues to be an idiot, reap the rewards.

CitizenSnips
11-05-2008, 01:01 PM
With our secondary needing an influx of talent why pass on a guy that is just a year removed from back to back pro bowl years. People have short memories. Oakland is a mess right now and there is a sense of a sunk ship already. If Al Davis continues to be an idiot, reap the rewards.

he never should have made that last pro bowl, he did nothing to deserve it. Walt harris had 10 ints and somehow Hall gets in over him. Pure crap.

Hall is a name, and nothing else.

dlockz
11-05-2008, 01:06 PM
he never should have made that last pro bowl, he did nothing to deserve it. Walt harris had 10 ints and somehow Hall gets in over him. Pure crap.

Hall is a name, and nothing else.


thats your opinion. Interceptions are not always an indicator of how good a corner is. If that is the basis then Will Allen is not good. Hall did not have a bad year and go to the pro bowl thats for sure. Goodman has barely been a starter in this league but we should pass on taking a chance on a possible stud down the line, makes no sense to me. What do we have to lose?

CitizenSnips
11-05-2008, 01:09 PM
thats your opinion. Interceptions are not always an indicator of how good a corner is. If that is the basis then Will Allen is not good. Hall did not have a bad year and go to the pro bowl thats for sure. Goodman has barely been a starter in this league but we should pass on taking a chance on a possible stud down the line, makes no sense to me. What do we have to lose?

INTS are not the reason Harris should have gotten in, no. Its the fact that he literally won games for the niners that year.

Why shouldnt we take a chance? Cause it will cost us. Hall has a 16 million dollar injury clause in his contract. If he gets injured during the season, hes guaranteed 16 million dollars.



http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2011/01/pixel-1.gifProFootballTalk reports the cost to claim CB DeAngelo Hall on waivers is just the pro-rated portion of his $1 million salary, which is roughly $470,000.
However, that total is misleading because a serious Hall injury would mean that his $16 million in unpaid bonus money would become guaranteed. With Terence Newman set to return after the Cowboys bye, we can't even see Jerry Jones taking on that risk. Hall is certain to find work after clearing waivers.


screw hall.

greasyObnoxious
11-05-2008, 01:12 PM
thats your opinion. Interceptions are not always an indicator of how good a corner is. If that is the basis then Will Allen is not good. Hall did not have a bad year and go to the pro bowl thats for sure. Goodman has barely been a starter in this league but we should pass on taking a chance on a possible stud down the line, makes no sense to me. What do we have to lose?


that's exactly the reason why so many people say Hall sucks. he does have the INTs but he's lacking everything else.

dlockz
11-05-2008, 01:12 PM
INTS are not the reason Harris should have gotten in, no. Its the fact that he literally won games for the niners that year.

Why shouldnt we take a chance? Cause it will cost us. Hall has a 16 million dollar injury clause in his contract. If he gets injured during the season, hes guaranteed 16 million dollars.



screw hall.


Im not really talking so much about signing him off waivers as just signing him. if that clause is true then most teams will not bite and we can sign him as a free agent. Its silly to think that Hall is worse than our 4th or 5th corner or even 3rd.

TrojanMAAAAN
11-05-2008, 01:12 PM
i heard most people yesterday saying it was going to be like 8 Million and it is only 1 million i think we should take a shot at him

Link
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2773

Yer numbers are a bit off...

the $8m referred to was the amount the raiders have paid him in bonus and salary so far this year (8 games)

if the Phins were to pick him up on waivers they would pick up his $1m contract which equates to $470,588 for the remainder of the year....

but the problem is the $16M his contract guarantees him if/when he gets injured....which is a pretty good possibility since he's always dinged up.

fishfanfromjerz
11-05-2008, 01:16 PM
DO NOT CLAIM ANYONE OFF WAIVERS THE REST OF THE SEASON!


This team is starting to gel with the players we got.........Do not ruin it by bringing anyone else in at this point........

dlockz
11-05-2008, 01:18 PM
DO NOT CLAIM ANYONE OFF WAIVERS THE REST OF THE SEASON!


This team is starting to gel with the players we got.........Do not ruin it by bringing anyone else in at this point........

I find that a silly stance. So if we had that attitude we would have not picked up Camirillo or Moses last year. This year we would not have Evan Mathis, Tyrone Culver, Polite, Cramer, london and so on.

fishfanfromjerz
11-05-2008, 01:20 PM
I find that a silly stance. So if we had that attitude we would have not picked up Camirillo or Moses last year. This year we would not have Evan Mathis, Tyrone Culver, Polite, Cramer, london and so on.


ehh i guess you got a point...............im just sick of the lets pick this guy up thread after some player is released

dolpns13
11-05-2008, 01:21 PM
he never should have made that last pro bowl, he did nothing to deserve it. Walt harris had 10 ints and somehow Hall gets in over him. Pure crap.

Hall is a name, and nothing else.

Thats because PB stands for POPULARITY BOWL, not Pro Bowl.

shula_guy
11-05-2008, 01:21 PM
Why go after anyone when we got the future HOF jason Taylor back there!:rolleyes2:

Mr772
11-05-2008, 01:23 PM
Are you kidding me??? I live in Atlanta so I've had the "pleasure" of watching this guy play for a long time and believe me, he sucks. He's not a team guy and he bites too much on double moves. He's the poster boy for getting toasted. No thanks, I'll take Goodman and a developing Jason Allen.

I don't get this line of thinking.

Did anyone anywhere say cut Goodman or Jason Allen? NO

This isn't the D.Hall exchange program he would just be an addition.

dlockz
11-05-2008, 01:25 PM
I don't get this line of thinking.

Did anyone anywhere say cut Goodman or Jason Allen? NO

This isn't the D.Hall exchange program he would just be an addition.


good point. The only reason Hall is being released is that Al Davis has become senile. Hell thats the only reason I can think he fired Kiffin after he had them playing solid early on.

JimToss
11-05-2008, 02:14 PM
This is actually the only good move Al Davis made all year. Hall has a $16mil inury clause in his contract. I don't know the exact specifics on the clause but, the Raiders will have to pay when Hall decides to come up lame on some play. Probably doesn't even have to fake an injury (he is frail enough.) This clause comes to any team that signs him off waivers.
Once he passes waivers, he is free game, IMO the fins should pick him up for a smaller contract with incentives then. At that point, he will probably have many suiters.

dlockz
11-05-2008, 02:16 PM
This is actually the only good move Al Davis made all year. Hall has a $16mil inury clause in his contract. I don't know the exact specifics on the clause but, the Raiders will have to pay when Hall decides to come up lame on some play. Probably doesn't even have to fake an injury (he is frail enough.) This clause comes to any team that signs him off waivers.
Once he passes waivers, he is free game, IMO the fins should pick him up for a smaller contract with incentives then. At that point, he will probably have many suiters.


How is this a good move for Davis, his team sucks and he traded a second round pick as well as wasted big money for this guy. Davis should be banned from the league.

Avigatorx
11-05-2008, 02:29 PM
that's exactly the reason why so many people say Hall sucks. he does have the INTs but he's lacking everything else.


I disagree.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2008&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=INTERCEPTIONS&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=DEFENSIVE_PASSES_INT_DEFENSED&d-447263-n=1

Third in the league in passes defended. (16, two above him with 17, Will Allen leads the Fins with 10)

11th in the league in solo tackles. (43. Akin Ayodele leads the Fins with 28)

He can knock passes down AND tackle (something the rest of our team has trouble doing.)

Hall can't help the fact that the rest of his team sucks (with the exception of nmandi.)

He would be an immediate and drastic upgrade to our secondary, and at 25 years old, can be contributing to the team for years to come.

I HOPE we do go after him.

I dont think we will, but I am still hoping we do.

JimToss
11-05-2008, 02:30 PM
How is this a good move for Davis, his team sucks and he traded a second round pick as well as wasted big money for this guy. Davis should be banned from the league.

Not saying the trade or the contract was a smart in the least bit, but it is a good move to dump this baggage before he forces another 16million out of the franchise. I do not defend any other of his actions.
I do completely agree that Al Davis should be banned from the league.:up:

Avigatorx
11-05-2008, 02:33 PM
I don't get this line of thinking.

Did anyone anywhere say cut Goodman or Jason Allen? NO

This isn't the D.Hall exchange program he would just be an addition.

Since we cut Hagan, we dont need to get rid of anyone else.

GoonBoss
11-05-2008, 02:34 PM
I personally like Al Davis. As long as the Raiders stay in the AFC, it's an almost garunteed win.

dlockz
11-05-2008, 02:36 PM
I personally like Al Davis. As long as the Raiders stay in the AFC, it's an almost garunteed win.


That I can agree with. I truly think if his team releases a bunch of players including Michael Huff that the NFL should think about seizing control of the team from Davis because even with the great things he did in the past, Davis has no clue anymore.

GoonBoss
11-05-2008, 02:39 PM
That I can agree with. I truly think if his team releases a bunch of players including Michael Huff that the NFL should think about seizing control of the team from Davis because even with the great things he did in the past, Davis has no clue anymore.


I fully support the release of Huff. I want him BAD. If it winds up being a choice of anyone and Huff (off the Raiders), it's Huff.

In seriousness, I agree with you. This is a clear case of tanking the season. There has to be some sort of a competetivness clause violation.

greasyObnoxious
11-05-2008, 02:41 PM
I disagree.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2008&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=INTERCEPTIONS&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=DEFENSIVE_PASSES_INT_DEFENSED&d-447263-n=1

Third in the league in passes defended. (16, two above him with 17, Will Allen leads the Fins with 10)

11th in the league in solo tackles. (43. Akin Ayodele leads the Fins with 28)

He can knock passes down AND tackle (something the rest of our team has trouble doing.)

Hall can't help the fact that the rest of his team sucks (with the exception of nmandi.)

He would be an immediate and drastic upgrade to our secondary, and at 25 years old, can be contributing to the team for years to come.

I HOPE we do go after him.

I dont think we will, but I am still hoping we do.


great. the guy dominates the stats. wooot
if teams don't respect you, they're going to come after you. it's as easy as that. thus the stats. that still doesn't explain how he is 31st in the league defending his guy, who btw it usually the #2 WR on the other team.

dlockz
11-05-2008, 02:43 PM
I fully support the release of Huff. I want him BAD. If it winds up being a choice of anyone and Huff (off the Raiders), it's Huff.

In seriousness, I agree with you. This is a clear case of tanking the season. There has to be some sort of a competetivness clause violation.


He has clearly lost his mind. I think players started quiting on the team when Kiffin was fired. Oakland with the exception of the Denver game was competitive and starting to play well, since they fired kiffin they have been blown out three times. The players are sick of the organization's head idiot. Davis is clearly the problem in Oakland now.

Avigatorx
11-05-2008, 02:45 PM
great. the guy dominates the stats. wooot
if teams don't respect you, they're going to come after you. it's as easy as that. thus the stats. that still doesn't explain how he is 31st in the league defending his guy, who btw it usually the #2 WR on the other team.


They are gonna come after our secondary regardless. At least Hall can tackle them and/or make a play on the ball.

I dont know about you, but I am sick and tired of seeing our secondary fall on their ***** and grabbing air instead of wrapping a guy up. (Granted, we played much better the last couple of weeks, but Hall has more raw talent than anyone we have back there now.)

If our coaching staff can improve Hall the way they have been improving the guys we have now, watch out.

dlockz
11-05-2008, 02:46 PM
They are gonna come after our secondary regardless. At least Hall can tackle them and/or make a play on the ball.

I dont know about you, but I am sick and tired of seeing our secondary fall on their ***** and grabbing air instead of wrapping a guy up. (Granted, we played much better the last couple of weeks, but Hall has more raw talent than anyone we have back there now.)

If our coaching staff can improve Hall the way they have been improving the guys we have now, watch out.


I love how some people feel like Hall is a worse player than Nate Jones.

greasyObnoxious
11-05-2008, 02:48 PM
They are gonna come after our secondary regardless. At least Hall can tackle them and/or make a play on the ball.

I dont know about you, but I am sick and tired of seeing our secondary fall on their ***** and grabbing air instead of wrapping a guy up. (Granted, we played much better the last couple of weeks, but Hall has more raw talent than anyone we have back there now.)

If our coaching staff can improve Hall the way they have been improving the guys we have now, watch out.


big if right there. if Hall was willing to improve, i think he'd still be in Atlanta.

dlockz
11-05-2008, 02:49 PM
big if right there. if Hall was willing to improve, i think he'd still be in Atlanta.


Atlanta looked like a disaster so why not dive out at the time, although now I bet he wish he stayed.

greasyObnoxious
11-05-2008, 02:51 PM
Atlanta looked like a disaster so why not dive out at the time, although now I bet he wish he stayed.

probably so

RockyMtnPhinfan
11-05-2008, 03:01 PM
Why would we pick up someone who is a locker room cancer, or surely could be. He thinks his Sh*t doesn't stink and that is not the kind of player the Trifecta normally goes for. I thank them for that, because i can then disregard threads like this one.
just say NO

Nappy Roots
11-05-2008, 03:04 PM
I fully support the release of Huff. I want him BAD. If it winds up being a choice of anyone and Huff (off the Raiders), it's Huff.

In seriousness, I agree with you. This is a clear case of tanking the season. There has to be some sort of a competetivness clause violation.



why would you want huff? hes horrible to. hes always out of position and cant tackle for ****.

Nappy Roots
11-05-2008, 03:06 PM
I love how some people feel like Hall is a worse player than Nate Jones.


the problem with your line of thinking is he isnt going to want to be a 4th CB. or for that matter paid like a 4th CB.....so being better then nate jones has nothing to do with anything.

GoonBoss
11-05-2008, 03:09 PM
why would you want huff? hes horrible to. hes always out of position and cant tackle for ****.

The Raiders have a history of destroying top caliber Safties. I would be more than happy to take a flyer on him after watching him at UT.

dlockz
11-05-2008, 03:16 PM
the problem with your line of thinking is he isnt going to want to be a 4th CB. or for that matter paid like a 4th CB.....so being better then nate jones has nothing to do with anything.


im not saying he will be the 4th guy, im just talking the level of guy you cut. He is probably better than Goodman or Allen from his time in the NFL . Neither Goodman or Allen have established themselves as good corners and a good game or two does not change that.

GoonBoss
11-05-2008, 03:23 PM
im not saying he will be the 4th guy, im just talking the level of guy you cut. He is probably better than Goodman or Allen from his time in the NFL . Neither Goodman or Allen have established themselves as good corners and a good game or two does not change that.

I do agree with this statement, however Allen is on his way to his best statistical year of his career, and, I see no reason to replace him. Sometimes a raw talent upgrade is not the end sum you think it will be.

dlockz
11-05-2008, 03:24 PM
I do agree with this statement, however Allen is on his way to his best statistical year of his career, and, I see no reason to replace him. Sometimes a raw talent upgrade is not the end sum you think it will be.

Just saying he has proven to be a very good corner in the past while jason Allen has not cracked the lineup in three years. I am all for signing Hall, Huff and keeping Allen.

phinphan4life
11-05-2008, 03:35 PM
Are you kidding me??? I live in Atlanta so I've had the "pleasure" of watching this guy play for a long time and believe me, he sucks. He's not a team guy and he bites too much on double moves. He's the poster boy for getting toasted. No thanks, I'll take Goodman and a developing Jason Allen.

I agree with you to an extent. I live in Atlanta as well and I've seen more than my fair share of D-Hall, since my brother is a Falcon's fan and I try to be supportive. Hall is a more physically gifted (athletic) version of Terrell Buckley, for those of you that remember T-Buck. He's a gambler and he'll get more than his fair share of INT's. He'll also infuriate you by getting burnt more often than he should. The biggest knock on him is his attitude. He's a malcontent. I'm not sure if a change of scenery would necessarily change that, and I don't know if I'm willing to find out at our expense. He's got tons of talent, is still very young, and I'm sure he'll be a Pro-Bowl corner for someone. I just don't know if the Dolphins should be the ones to take that chance.

NRA
11-05-2008, 03:45 PM
more excuses for NOT bringing in PRO BOWL TALENT!!

how long untill some of you guys LEARN?

you have to PAY talent! and you dont go to back to back
pro bowls being a turnstyle as some have pegged him.

that atlanta thing over the last 4 years has been a JOKE
and ANYONE would have rebelled there.

and now the raiduhs!! theres a attitude builder huh? heck,
its WORSE than what was going on in atlanta [sans the
dog torturing, sick, gangsta].

remember how randy moss was a punk, he wiffed on all his passes,
only played when he wanted, wasnt a team mate, bad locker room
guy, etc....

this is almost an IDENTICAL situation! randy had the crumbling vikes
situation [boat scandal, ticket scamming coach, etc..] then off to
the raiduhs..... that was worse! [still is].

talented players WANT TO WIN!! and they get nasty when they dont.

i want that kind of player on my team! i want guys who are pissy when
they dont win! [see joey porter].

SIGN DEANGELO HALL.......NOW!!

DefensiveEnd76
11-05-2008, 03:52 PM
Any player that Al Davis has contaminated just has to be damaged goods. Oakland is like a curse for players and Davis is the Cryptkeeper or Ghoul that preys on their soul.

dlockz
11-05-2008, 03:53 PM
Any player that Al Davis has contaminated just has to be damaged goods. Oakland is like a curse for players and Davis is the Cryptkeeper or Ghoul that preys on their soul.


damn his contamination has really hurt Randy Moss.

tmny99
11-05-2008, 04:08 PM
I don't get this line of thinking.

Did anyone anywhere say cut Goodman or Jason Allen? NO

This isn't the D.Hall exchange program he would just be an addition.

Of course nobody mentioned cut one of the other, but the point is for him to be of benefit to us, he needs to be able to replace one of the two IMO. If he's not an upgrade over them, why isn't even being discussed. And as for his two pro bowls, everyone knows his second pro bowl was a mere popularity contest in a season where he was toasted repeatedly.

phinphan4life
11-05-2008, 04:14 PM
Of course nobody mentioned cut one of the other, but the point is for him to be of benefit to us, he needs to be able to replace one of the two IMO. If he's not an upgrade over them, why isn't even being discussed. And as for his two pro bowls, everyone knows his second pro bowl was a mere popularity contest in a season where he was toasted repeatedly.

That second time he went to the pro bowl, didn't he have 7 int's? That's pretty damn good. Don't get me wrong. I'm not on board with bringing him to Miami. I just think he's a very good player (attitude aside).

sn9ke.eyes
11-05-2008, 04:21 PM
I don't like the idea of bringing in a known locker room cancer when 1 - this team is not one player away from winning the championship and 2 - one of the reasons for Miami's success is because they are playing as a team, which bad apples in the locker room can disrupt.

See Cowboys, Dallas for what the results are when you have a ton of talent but do not play as a team.

tmny99
11-05-2008, 04:21 PM
That second time he went to the pro bowl, didn't he have 7 int's? That's pretty damn good. Don't get me wrong. I'm not on board with bringing him to Miami. I just think he's a very good player (attitude aside).

Nah, he had 4 picks that year. In fact, he's never had more than six picks in a given year.

phinphan4life
11-05-2008, 04:25 PM
Nah, he had 4 picks that year. In fact, he's never had more than six picks in a given year.

Thank you. I stand corrected.

phinphan4life
11-05-2008, 04:28 PM
GoonBoss, thank you for cleaning up the previous banter. I apologize for my part in it.

GoonBoss
11-05-2008, 04:35 PM
GoonBoss, thank you for cleaning up the previous banter. I apologize for my part in it.

No big. Emotions are running high, and, will be for a while. I just ask everyone's best natures to shine through on the main board. This is about the Dolphins, not politics. :woot:

Carry on. :beer1:

SpurzN703
11-05-2008, 04:39 PM
Of course Hall is rumored to go to Dallas if he's cut.

So maybe we don't have to even be talking about this much longer

PoloBear73
11-05-2008, 05:56 PM
Can we get him? Can't believe he was just let go. He could be the answer for us at corner!

burger13
11-05-2008, 05:57 PM
Holy Crap!!

Did Anyone Know That This Was Gonna Happen?!?!?!

GoonBoss
11-05-2008, 06:04 PM
Holy Crap!!

Did Anyone Know That This Was Gonna Happen?!?!?!

I'm shocked and apalled. :(

Finsfan1984
11-05-2008, 06:07 PM
Holy Crap!!

Did Anyone Know That This Was Gonna Happen?!?!?!


Yeah, not trying to sound like a smart arssss...but its been on ESPN and this site and they are supposed to be releasing somehting like 12 playas in the next few days!!!

British Blitz
11-05-2008, 06:46 PM
Raiders just cut DeAngelo Hall... $8mil signing bonus for 8 games...

Do we stay away or do we go after?....


Sorry - didnt see it posted, but now I have cant remove!....

SnakeoilSeller
11-05-2008, 06:46 PM
here is our chance at some real cornerback talent.. if we dont pick him up then the patriots will... thats the last thing we need right now.. come on miami this is a no brainer

NOOOOO! This guy is an idiot. The last thing the Fins need is this guy. I don't care how much talent he has. Two losing teams have gotten rid of him in 10 months (At the time Atlanta was considered a losing team), why would the Dolphins want him. Not the Trifecta's type of player

Mile High Fin
11-05-2008, 06:47 PM
Wow! I had not seen that posted on here 5 times yet.

X-Pacolypse
11-05-2008, 06:51 PM
10,002 threads about Hall and counting....

GoonBoss
11-05-2008, 06:53 PM
10,002 threads about Hall and counting....

I think I've blown up three mice moveing and mergeing these threads. :(

silvrwrx
11-05-2008, 07:54 PM
Kinda curious on how many of us think we should target the recently released Deangelo Hall?

IMO-I'd take him at the right price which is not a 7yr deal at 70 mil. that he got from Raiders.

TedSlimmJr
11-05-2008, 07:56 PM
Matt Ryan likes him....:lol:


I'd have to say he's no better than the corners we have.....Hall is a living, walking, breathing, and very talkative 40 yard touchdown pass waiting to happen....

BROWN 23
11-05-2008, 08:00 PM
we should sign him, if he dont work out, we can put him on the inactive list like Wilford.

paskerbrandon
11-05-2008, 08:30 PM
Should we sign him?

SpaceMountain16
11-05-2008, 08:31 PM
I wouldn't take him for free.

jtrules99
11-05-2008, 08:33 PM
we have a good team chemistry going rite now. hes a very talented cornerback, but are secondary is starting to play a lot better now, and all he would do is bring the team down.

dlockz
11-05-2008, 08:44 PM
we have a good team chemistry going rite now. hes a very talented cornerback, but are secondary is starting to play a lot better now, and all he would do is bring the team down.


please explain how he would bring our team down. so if we get torched this week, do u have a new opinion. I mean three weeks ago johnson destroyed our secondary, 2 games does not mean our secondary is good.

U-M_all_day
11-05-2008, 09:57 PM
well apparently i read on another site someone said



In his eight games in Oakland, Hall was beaten 40 times for 552 yards on 66 passes thrown his way, according to data compiled by STATS LLC. He gave up more yards than any defender this season and was tied for third worst in catches allowed.

Dolpfan_72
11-05-2008, 10:21 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3684396

Raiders (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=oak) cornerback DeAngelo Hall (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=5533) was the first player released by team owner Al Davis on Wednesday, a move expected to trigger a major shakeup of Oakland's roster.
Angered by the Raiders' 2-6 start, Davis asked his front-office staff to explore the possibility of releasing several players. By releasing Hall, who was acquired from Atlanta before this season, the Raiders are washing their hands of a seven-year, $72 million contract after only eight games.


Should Miami try and pick up DeAngelo or leave him on the wire? He would be a very good starter for us but would his attitude and high price be more burden than help?

DKphin
11-05-2008, 10:26 PM
In one word, "NO!"

Dolpfan_72
11-05-2008, 10:27 PM
Of course he was beaten all those times. He is trying to carry that entire bag of crap defense on his shoulders. :lol:

Bigjbizzle2
11-05-2008, 10:29 PM
He's a bad corner back.
he is better then ours

Dolpfan_72
11-05-2008, 10:31 PM
I think we should. A couple weeks ago some of you would have taken the trunk homeless guy in the gutter outside over our corners. Now we are acting like we have the air game locked down with our secondary. I don't get it.

I would rather have a pro bowl caliber player than a faux bowl caliber one. Just last season nobody wanted Porter anymore and now look at him. I think too many people underestimate this coaching staff and their ability to get players to buy into what they are selling.

juniorseau55
11-05-2008, 10:33 PM
I find it how you guys are just commenting out of your bathroom hole. Hall has just sucked this season and has been far worse than some of our cornerbacks. That is the reason why the man was released from his contract.

Dolpfan_72
11-05-2008, 10:52 PM
Mark my words. It was to free up cap room to make some moves.

Roth's Wrath
11-05-2008, 11:08 PM
He was good the 1st 2 years with Atlanta but has been on the decline since, he's having a horrible year , i like the recent play of our cb's.

acmeanvil49
11-05-2008, 11:30 PM
No to DeAngelo Hall



In 8 games, Hall was beaten 40 times for 552 yards on 66 passes thrown his way


That makes him a liability, I'd stick with what we have now

Hass84
11-05-2008, 11:31 PM
no no no no! God there are so many fans on this sight that dont know football, who watch a couple of games each year on tv and call themselves fans. They see the name hall and say 'ooh i've heard of him he's meant to be good!' he's been thrown to 66 times this year 40 of which have been completed, thats terrible, he's been terrible for years, eddie royal embarrassed him this year and he was beaten consistently by the falcons. Some people are saying 'why did the raiders let him go' mmmmm.... Because he's crap and is costing them a fortune. Dont make the raiders mistake are own. Lets please put this to bed and end this thread.

retarmyfinfan
11-06-2008, 12:10 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AqTk69.NQI2PbozaWNTr2JhDubYF?slug=ap-raiders-hall&prov=ap&type=lgns

In his eight games in Oakland, Hall was beaten 40 times for 552 yards on 66 passes thrown his way, according to data compiled by STATS LLC. He gave up more yards than any defender this season and was tied for third worst in catches allowed

Cocelesti
11-06-2008, 12:20 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AqTk69.NQI2PbozaWNTr2JhDubYF?slug=ap-raiders-hall&prov=ap&type=lgns

In his eight games in Oakland, Hall was beaten 40 times for 552 yards on 66 passes thrown his way, according to data compiled by STATS LLC. He gave up more yards than any defender this season and was tied for third worst in catches allowed
Only there is a fair reason to not get him! Stay away from him, he is absolutely awful.

:err:

daniel3
11-06-2008, 12:31 AM
no no no no! God there are so many fans on this sight that dont know football, who watch a couple of games each year on tv and call themselves fans. They see the name hall and say 'ooh i've heard of him he's meant to be good!' he's been thrown to 66 times this year 40 of which have been completed, thats terrible, he's been terrible for years, eddie royal embarrassed him this year and he was beaten consistently by the falcons. Some people are saying 'why did the raiders let him go' mmmmm.... Because he's crap and is costing them a fortune. Dont make the raiders mistake are own. Lets please put this to bed and end this thread.

As someone who knows football you will know different schemes and situations breed different results. You put Will Allen, our best corner, in his shoes and he for damn sure won't come out looking good. Raiders are letting him go because yeah, his production doesn't match his pay, but that does NOT mean he is a crap player. If we can get him on a Will Allen type contract, he'd be a huge help.

Then again some of you seem very content with Andre Goodman.

kud
11-06-2008, 01:02 AM
He's been stinking it up lately from what i've seen anyway. I'll pass.

LonghornsLegend
11-06-2008, 01:33 AM
The Raiders have a history of destroying top caliber Safties. I would be more than happy to take a flyer on him after watching him at UT.

The Raiders have a history of destroying nearly every 1st rd pick they have had outside of Aso in the past 10+ years...Go back and look at their past 1st rounders, hard for me to believe all those guys didn't pan out due to lack of talent...Oakland is a hellhole, I bet Huff would of flourished any anyone else's system, he's a FS who can cover like a corner and tackle like a SS...I think he like alot of other guys who end up there are products of the environment around them, I bet had the Colts ended up with half these guys their careers would look completely different.

rickyfan85
11-06-2008, 01:59 AM
I wish we could pick this guy up. I cant imagine him being any worse than Goodman or somone on special teams.

elandre
11-06-2008, 02:16 AM
I wouldnt be surpized if he ended up with the browns or NE.

Dolpfan_72
11-06-2008, 02:37 AM
no no no no! God there are so many fans on this sight that dont know football, who watch a couple of games each year on tv and call themselves fans. They see the name hall and say 'ooh i've heard of him he's meant to be good!' he's been thrown to 66 times this year 40 of which have been completed, thats terrible, he's been terrible for years, eddie royal embarrassed him this year and he was beaten consistently by the falcons. Some people are saying 'why did the raiders let him go' mmmmm.... Because he's crap and is costing them a fortune. Dont make the raiders mistake are own. Lets please put this to bed and end this thread.

I KNOW this isn't directed towards me playa

Penny4president
11-06-2008, 10:50 AM
here is our chance at some real cornerback talent.. if we dont pick him up then the patriots will... thats the last thing we need right now.. come on miami this is a no brainer



the last thing we need if for the patriots to suck more right guys ?:lol:

Penny4president
11-06-2008, 10:50 AM
Deangelo Hallhas allowed more catches than any one in the league

MarinoForPres
11-06-2008, 11:41 AM
well the thing is hall can play football he is athletic and he is a good corner. he might not be worth nearly 10 mil a year but the fact of the matter is he wasnt used for his type of style. they had him pressing recievers and he is not strong enough to so he was getting beat. he can cover a lot of ground. given the right defense this guy is a solid football player. he just dint fit into their scheme. im not saying lets go out and sign him today but there is a team he will fit into maybe washington or the giants would be a great fit for him.

BAMAPHIN 22
11-06-2008, 12:53 PM
DeAngelo Hall was released from the Raiders, would you pick him up....?

The Oakland Raiders (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/oak/;_ylt=AvCTG71S2MbScEUS8PfwalIdsLYF) decision to waive DeAngelo Hall (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6767/;_ylt=Aoqch8XxAR08JSDnKa_nItsdsLYF) just eight games after signing him to a $70 million contract brought surprised reactions from his teammates who now wonder even more about the future of the franchise.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-raiders-hall&prov=ap&type=lgns

FinFan1nDC
11-06-2008, 12:55 PM
Other Breaking News..... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2736313

DefensiveEnd76
11-06-2008, 12:58 PM
DeAngelo Hall was released from the Raiders, would you pick him up....?

The Oakland Raiders (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/oak/;_ylt=AvCTG71S2MbScEUS8PfwalIdsLYF) decision to waive DeAngelo Hall (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6767/;_ylt=Aoqch8XxAR08JSDnKa_nItsdsLYF) just eight games after signing him to a $70 million contract brought surprised reactions from his teammates who now wonder even more about the future of the franchise.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-raiders-hall&prov=ap&type=lgns


Uh this has already been posted and discussed like 8 million times ...The answer is NO!!!!

FinKage34
11-06-2008, 01:02 PM
Other Breaking News..... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2736313

Why do people on this board feel the need to be jerks? Just skip it if you have seen it. :shakeno:

This cat has over 11,000 posts he probably just read it and got excited.

Also I would say Hall should be an option...

ssnjamerson
11-06-2008, 02:26 PM
What is wrong with you people. Do you know why he is gettin beat so bad and has so many Yards against. His name is Nmadi Asomugha. The guy has only been thrown at around 15 times this year. He is the real deal and we have no chance to sign him this offseason. Hall is a good player and I dont care what CB it is with the exception of maybe 3 CB in the league. ANy CB who gets thrown at 25 times a game will have bad stats. He performs well but hates being in a shotty town. Someone is goin to get a steal signing him to a 1/2 yr deal and then lettingn him become a FA. With teams throwing at Will Allen it will take the load off him. You guys like seeing Lehan and Goodman. If you do are you even watching the same games. Goodman has had 1 maybe 2 good games. Lets look at 2008 stats and career stats

Mike Lehan 2008-- 5 Games -- 11 Tackles-- 1 Pass Deflection -- 0 Int
Career 67 games--138 Tackles --12 Pass Deflections--1 INT

A Goodman 2008 --8 games--24 Tackles--7 Pass Deflections--1 INT
Career--79 games--218 Tackles--48 Pass Deflections--2 Force Fumbles--8 INT

Will Allen-2008--8 games--27 tackles--8 Pass Deflections--1 FF--2 INT
Career 111 games--441 tackles--102 Pass Deflections--7 FF--12 INT

Deangelo Hall--2008--8 games--48 Tackles--13 Pss Deflections--3 INT
Career--65 games --276 tackles--61 Pass Deflections--3FF-20 INT--2 TD

Lets do the math Deangelo Hall>>>than A Goodman/Lehan combined
Hall has 1 less INT than Allen,Goodman,Lehan combined. For their careers. Yeah thats how bad our secondary sucks. Problematic maybe but nothing BP cant solve. Sign him for the remainder of the year. Then if he plays well try to sign him for s few years. What would it hurt lettin himplay the rest of the year. We could make a playoff push if we dont continuously get beat by crap passes. Lood at week 1 when Favre killed us and beat us with the deep pass. Hall can break that up. He might get beat every once in a while but our guys get beat all day.

Predaphin
11-06-2008, 02:50 PM
Any word if he's coming to Miami????

Remember, leave no rock unturned!

dlockz
11-06-2008, 02:55 PM
Anyone can see that Al is doing some really dumb stuff. Let me see he is following this up with releasing Kelly and Walker. Kelly has been a good player for a few years and Walker well he was somewhat damaged goods so that might not be so bad. The minority owners of this team need to file to get Davis ousted because he is destroying that franchise now and that all started with dumping a coach that had the team playing well. Hall is a good player and anybody that thinks goodman and allen are better longterm options need to really acess thier thinking.

FINdestructible
11-06-2008, 03:28 PM
Like always, we will lose out & the Pats will pick him up & he will have a great career there.

Valandui
11-06-2008, 03:44 PM
Anyone can see that Al is doing some really dumb stuff. Let me see he is following this up with releasing Kelly and Walker. Kelly has been a good player for a few years and Walker well he was somewhat damaged goods so that might not be so bad. The minority owners of this team need to file to get Davis ousted because he is destroying that franchise now and that all started with dumping a coach that had the team playing well. Hall is a good player and anybody that thinks goodman and allen are better longterm options need to really acess thier thinking.
I think you are right on. That's why I think that it is only a matter of time before Huff gets let go. When that happens we should pounce.

Avigatorx
11-06-2008, 04:02 PM
I think you are right on. That's why I think that it is only a matter of time before Huff gets let go. When that happens we should pounce.


I'm pretty sure that as insane as Davis is, Huff wont be let go.

He is still under his rookie contract no? Why would he cut him?

Davis obviously sent the team a message that he can go 2-6 without paying huge salaries, Huff doesnt fall into that category.

That said, who the hell knows what Al Davis is thinking.

I just dont see any indication that Huff would be cut, maybe you have other information though.

Valandui
11-06-2008, 04:12 PM
I'm pretty sure that as insane as Davis is, Huff wont be let go.

He is still under his rookie contract no? Why would he cut him?

Davis obviously sent the team a message that he can go 2-6 without paying huge salaries, Huff doesnt fall into that category.

That said, who the hell knows what Al Davis is thinking.

I just dont see any indication that Huff would be cut, maybe you have other information though.
Just that he was benched earlier this week and that he is rumored to be one of the players on the list of possible cuts. Nothing concrete, but this is Al Davis we are talking about.

malzacher
11-06-2008, 06:50 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3686869

15 teams huh??? you know Mia has to be one of them..

ashraf-23
11-06-2008, 06:57 PM
pick him up MIA!!

X-Pacolypse
11-06-2008, 06:59 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3686869

15 teams huh??? you know Mia has to be one of them..

Secretary: "Hey Bill, it's Finheaven on Line 1. They say you need to sign DeAngelo Hall."

Bill: "Why?"

Secretary: "I don't know. You know how those guys are."

arcane1229
11-06-2008, 07:01 PM
BP wont give this guy a long term contract, wont happen.

Vaark
11-06-2008, 07:02 PM
Hey Bill, it's Finheaven on Line 1. They say you need to sign DeAngelo Hall.

LOL.. from the archives:

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2009/04/105t8op-1.jpg

shula_guy
11-06-2008, 07:07 PM
ireland will make him a fair offer if someone wants tooverpay for the guy let them.Its not like we are 1 cb away from winning the superbowl


besides we got that all pro jason allen to rely on

Drfletcherdc
11-06-2008, 07:07 PM
You mean Bill doesn't listen to us with our many years of knowledge by watching TV?

CitizenSnips
11-06-2008, 07:11 PM
Hall will get a ton of money from some one. Maybe the cowboys.

dolphinator86
11-06-2008, 07:15 PM
I watched this guy since he was a Va Tech...very good but not great he is overrated and a cry baby. Let W. Allen J Allen and Bell, Hill, Goodman and Culver keep developing they are getting better and better.

Who knows J Allen may become a very good corner and we wont need to pursue any kind of CB and can work on safety and other positions.

dolfan19
11-06-2008, 07:19 PM
Well, collectively, we have more time watching film that Bill does. He should listen to us.

oasis
11-06-2008, 07:21 PM
Well, collectively, we have more time watching film that Bill does. He should listen to us.

:foundout:

FinAtic8480
11-06-2008, 07:22 PM
Shefter just said the Giants, Redskins, Steelers, Pats and Saints are interested. No mention of the Dolphins. Jason Allen has finally settled in and in back to back weeks has played ball. Culver has been a nice surprise to the secondary. Goodman is finally making plays cause he is at nickel and Allen is have a great season. I dont see what the love fest for Hall is.

The guys is gonna demand money that can be used on Carey, Bell and Crowder. No to mention we are in awesome position to aquire FAs next year.

Clipse
11-06-2008, 07:23 PM
Yay! Overrated Hall cleared Waivers! Good for him, now let some team (not us please) overpay for him.

cafinfan408
11-06-2008, 07:25 PM
I rather not

greasyObnoxious
11-06-2008, 07:26 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3686869

15 teams huh??? you know Mia has to be one of them..

i'm not going to get into another lengthy discussion about Hall again, so his quality aside, i don't think he's the type of player we'd sign. he's a loudmouth. granted, Joey Porter is too, but he's working his butt off everyday and it shows on Sundays. Hall is simply a loudmouth.

Predaphin
11-06-2008, 07:32 PM
I hope we reach out to him and he gets interested.

We are thin at CB. We are 1 less CB from having a depleted secondary.

BillParFan
11-06-2008, 07:51 PM
:rotfl1:
Well, collectively, we have more time watching film that Bill does. He should listen to us.

finfan3223
11-06-2008, 07:57 PM
Secretary: "Hey Bill, it's Finheaven on Line 1. They say you need to sign DeAngelo Hall."

Bill: "Why?"

Secretary: "I don't know. You know how those guys are."


:hi5:

shula_guy
11-06-2008, 07:57 PM
Well, collectively, we have more time watching film that Bill does. He should listen to us.



:sidelol:

aquaman54
11-06-2008, 07:59 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3686869

15 teams huh??? you know Mia has to be one of them..
NO! :shakeno:

Phinatic8u
11-06-2008, 08:04 PM
F**** deanglo hall :hi5:
he is way to overatted, besides our secondry is plying reallllyyyyy goood lately

retarmyfinfan
11-06-2008, 08:22 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3686869

15 teams huh??? you know Mia has to be one of them..

Yes, we were the 1st ones to pass on him. Team with worse record gets 1st shot. Goes just like the draft order.