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Finch83
11-05-2008, 11:55 AM
Fireman Ed calls Jets Gang Greed

BY Rich Cimini
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Tuesday, November 4th 2008, 12:52 AM

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Jets fan 'Fireman Ed' isn't a supporter of the Jets' decision to implement PSLs.

Fireman Ed is mad. M-A-D, Mad! Mad! Mad!

The Jets' most famous supporter, Ed Anzalone (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Ed+Anzalone) is appalled and disappointed that his beloved team is requiring most its fan base to purchase personal seat licenses. After months of holding his tongue, Anzalone, a season ticket holder since 1976, is ready to stand up and boo.

"I love the New York Jets (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/New+York+Jets), I love the green and white and I love the fans - I have nothing but passion for the fans and the team - but the organization has continued to drop the ball," Anzalone said.

In a phone interview, which included a lengthy rant against owner Woody Johnson (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Woody+Johnson) for his decision to co-own the new stadium with the Giants, Anzalone claimed the Jets are ripping off the common fan.

"This is pathetic," says Anzalone, who owns four seats in section 134, where the PSL would be $10,000 or $12,500 per seat. "I'm so twisted by the fact that they went with the Giants to begin with. Now you're going to have the (audacity) to charge your fans twice?"

Anzalone, a stadium icon known for leading the celebrated "J-E-T-S, Jets! Jets! Jets!" cheer, says he pays full price for his tickets.
But for how much longer?

"You won't see me in these seats (in the new stadium)," said Anzalone, 49, who retired last year from the city's fire department. "I don't know what's going to happen. Maybe I'll go upstairs. Maybe I'll fork over four grand for an end-zone seat. I love the Jets so much, maybe I'll get my tickets on Stub Hub.

"I just want to enjoy this year and next," he continued. "Maybe, with a little of God's luck, we'll win a championship. If that happens, I'm moving on, bro."

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I have always hated this guy but I definitely see where he is coming from. With that being said, Fireman Ed is a guido meathead.:lol:

feelthepain
11-05-2008, 01:20 PM
How about simply lowering the amount of money it takes to play football in the NFL? Seriously, why does a LT need to make 12 Mill a year, before endoursements?? Give all players a base salary of no more then 1 Mill a year for QB's down to 100,000 a year for kickers. Let the players make their big bucks through marketing.

Everyone wins, the fans have lower ticket prices, the owners make more money and the players still make a fantastic living playing a game. How frikin hard could it possibly be?? If players are worried about injuries....buy extra INSURANCE, or don't play!!! Firefighters and Police officers do a much more dangerous job everyday and they don't make 100 mil dollars to do it, why should athelets???

Name one person on this site or any site for that matter that wouldn't kick a football for a 100 grand a year?? Name one that wouldn't line up behind center for a Mil a year? My point is there's no need to pay a sports star 100 mill to play a sport, I don't give a damn how good you are, it's a sport, not brain surgery or cancer research, it's a frikin game.

Not only do you get the perks of being in the limelight, you then make ridiculous amounts of money to boot? What the hell did these guy's ever do to deserve this kind of lifestyle? Run fast? Catch a ball?? Hell when I was a kid, there was nothing I loved more then playing football in the empty lot in my neighborhood, I did it for nothing but the love of the game. It's truly insane. Sometimes capitalism sucks!!!

djfresh47
11-06-2008, 09:04 PM
How about simply lowering the amount of money it takes to play football in the NFL? Seriously, why does a LT need to make 12 Mill a year, before endoursements?? Give all players a base salary of no more then 1 Mill a year for QB's down to 100,000 a year for kickers. Let the players make their big bucks through marketing.

Everyone wins, the fans have lower ticket prices, the owners make more money and the players still make a fantastic living playing a game. How frikin hard could it possibly be?? If players are worried about injuries....buy extra INSURANCE, or don't play!!! Firefighters and Police officers do a much more dangerous job everyday and they don't make 100 mil dollars to do it, why should athelets???

Name one person on this site or any site for that matter that wouldn't kick a football for a 100 grand a year?? Name one that wouldn't line up behind center for a Mil a year? My point is there's no need to pay a sports star 100 mill to play a sport, I don't give a damn how good you are, it's a sport, not brain surgery or cancer research, it's a frikin game.

Not only do you get the perks of being in the limelight, you then make ridiculous amounts of money to boot? What the hell did these guy's ever do to deserve this kind of lifestyle? Run fast? Catch a ball?? Hell when I was a kid, there was nothing I loved more then playing football in the empty lot in my neighborhood, I did it for nothing but the love of the game. It's truly insane. Sometimes capitalism sucks!!!

I think the average career of an NFL player used to be like 3.5 years or around there. The little guy gets kicked in the balls. Though it's a players league and I think the guys deserve all the money they get. Rookie salaries are ridiculous? Though if they went to a different system I gurantee the NFLPA would want rookie contracts to be 3 years. Which isn't enough time to see what you've got in a player. The owners are doing ridiculously well, the players who aren't from the 60's or 70's seem to be doing well.

Paying to see a team like the Marlins who don't put a dime towards there franchise and paying to see the most popular sport in the US is apples to oranges to me. If the NFL wants to do something to help the fans. Quit sending teams to Europe to play to generate more money.

Firefighters and cops have a much more dangerous job. Though it doesn't garner as much attention as the NFL. Few people have enough ability to become a Pro so that drives the demand up for the few.

nyjunc
11-07-2008, 07:26 AM
I have no probelm w/ players making all they can, the ticket sales are not paying for the players salaries. It is a joke that 2 teams are building a Stadium and charging PSL's. If the jets got the NYC Stadiu by themselves I would have nopt had any problem w/ it but this is greed. PSL's are supposed to give you 1st choice to any event at the venue but now we have 2 PSL holders per seat so how does that work? it's a sham, they are getting rid of the real fans and they'll make more $ in the short tyerm but they'll pay somewhere down the road.

emeraldfin
11-07-2008, 07:54 AM
If the NFL wants to do something to help the fans. Quit sending teams to Europe to play to generate more money.



Pure ignorant statement. What about the European fans? If you did'nt know there was 83,000 people in Wembley stadium to see the Chargers vs the Saints. I travelled over from Ireland to see that game. When I was over there I met people from Denmark, Holland & Germany who spent there hard earned money going to see an NFL game in a different country because it may well be the only time they ever see one. We dont have the privilege to see an NFL team or college team every week.

There are many people from all over Europe who love the NFL, who stay up to all hours of the night, spent time on their teams fan forum, buy gamepass to watch there team and buy there teams jersey.

But eh, I suppose your right, why ****ing bother with allowing these so called European "fans" see one game :rolleyes2:.

djfresh47
11-07-2008, 08:28 AM
Pure ignorant statement. What about the European fans? If you did'nt know there was 83,000 people in Wembley stadium to see the Chargers vs the Saints. I travelled over from Ireland to see that game. When I was over there I met people from Denmark, Holland & Germany who spent there hard earned money going to see an NFL game in a different country because it may well be the only time they ever see one. We dont have the privilege to see an NFL team or college team every week.

There are many people from all over Europe who love the NFL, who stay up to all hours of the night, spent time on their teams fan forum, buy gamepass to watch there team and buy there teams jersey.

But eh, I suppose your right, why ****ing bother with allowing these so called European "fans" see one game :rolleyes2:.


I get what the NFL is doing. Though I think it's spitting in the face of season ticket holders and fans when they take away a home game from a team. Plus it hurts the team. No home-field advantage for one team. It's a neutral site game that a team has to have their bye week after out of necessity.

Fans went to the game that's great. Buffalo made a cash grab to play in Toronto but that's not working for the fans. I think it's bs the Dolphins had a home game last year overseas. If they were in contention I think it's an extreme disadvantage to the team to have a "home-game," in Europe.

emeraldfin
11-07-2008, 08:46 AM
I get what the NFL is doing. Though I think it's spitting in the face of season ticket holders and fans when they take away a home game from a team. Plus it hurts the team. No home-field advantage for one team. It's a neutral site game that a team has to have their bye week after out of necessity.

Fans went to the game that's great. Buffalo made a cash grab to play in Toronto but that's not working for the fans. I think it's bs the Dolphins had a home game last year overseas. If they were in contention I think it's an extreme disadvantage to the team to have a "home-game," in Europe.

In week 8? Seasons are hardly won and lost by that stage now are they? Thats why the games are played around week 8. How did that game hurt the Saints? Any neutral fan at that game was cheering for the Saints. It ment 1000's of jerseys and other Saint apperal was sold. It created a whole new fan base for the Saints = more revenue for the league.

As for the fans in New Orlenes? As I said earlier its not as if the franchise is being taken away from them, its one game. Also the Saints wont be back next year or any other year for the Internation Series so its one game in their entire history. After everything the Saints fans in NO have been through with rumours of the team leaving and the aftermath of Katrina, do you seriously think they will be that upset letting European fans have one game of football?

GoonBoss
11-07-2008, 09:31 AM
How about simply lowering the amount of money it takes to play football in the NFL? Seriously, why does a LT need to make 12 Mill a year, before endoursements?? Give all players a base salary of no more then 1 Mill a year for QB's down to 100,000 a year for kickers. Let the players make their big bucks through marketing.

Everyone wins, the fans have lower ticket prices, the owners make more money and the players still make a fantastic living playing a game. How frikin hard could it possibly be?? If players are worried about injuries....buy extra INSURANCE, or don't play!!! Firefighters and Police officers do a much more dangerous job everyday and they don't make 100 mil dollars to do it, why should athelets???

Name one person on this site or any site for that matter that wouldn't kick a football for a 100 grand a year?? Name one that wouldn't line up behind center for a Mil a year? My point is there's no need to pay a sports star 100 mill to play a sport, I don't give a damn how good you are, it's a sport, not brain surgery or cancer research, it's a frikin game.

Not only do you get the perks of being in the limelight, you then make ridiculous amounts of money to boot? What the hell did these guy's ever do to deserve this kind of lifestyle? Run fast? Catch a ball?? Hell when I was a kid, there was nothing I loved more then playing football in the empty lot in my neighborhood, I did it for nothing but the love of the game. It's truly insane. Sometimes capitalism sucks!!!

Four letters. NFLPA.

The market has not fallen for the NFL yet. The market has proven it will bear whatever gouge the NFL, owners and players want to give, and, will coming back, grubbing on it's knees, begging all of the afore mentioned parties for more. As long as we like the boot of the NFL, they've got thier heel on our throats. There's no use getting upset about it as you go to buy your NFL licensed authentic jersey, or other gear...Even down to the hat and keyrings. Keep throwing money at the NFL and they will continue to treat the fans like garbage. We are what we prove to the NFL we are.

The minute Ed tosses his season tickets back in the owner's faces..You know what they do? Sell those tickets and the PSL's to one of the people whose been on the waiting list for the last 10 years. Why should the owners change the way they do buisness?

GoonBoss
11-07-2008, 09:35 AM
In week 8? Seasons are hardly won and lost by that stage now are they? Thats why the games are played around week 8. How did that game hurt the Saints? Any neutral fan at that game was cheering for the Saints. It ment 1000's of jerseys and other Saint apperal was sold. It created a whole new fan base for the Saints = more revenue for the league.

As for the fans in New Orlenes? As I said earlier its not as if the franchise is being taken away from them, its one game. Also the Saints wont be back next year or any other year for the Internation Series so its one game in their entire history. After everything the Saints fans in NO have been through with rumours of the team leaving and the aftermath of Katrina, do you seriously think they will be that upset letting European fans have one game of football?

You have obviously never been to NOLA. Yes. They will be upset. You know who will be the most upset? The hotel association, the vendors, the cabbies, the Burboun Street club owners....NOLA's lifes blood is tourism. I don't mean, kinda sorta. I mean upwards of 75% of it's econemy. Every event taken from that city is food out of families mouths, who can least afford for it to be gone.

GoonBoss
11-07-2008, 09:39 AM
Pure ignorant statement. What about the European fans? If you did'nt know there was 83,000 people in Wembley stadium to see the Chargers vs the Saints. I travelled over from Ireland to see that game. When I was over there I met people from Denmark, Holland & Germany who spent there hard earned money going to see an NFL game in a different country because it may well be the only time they ever see one. We dont have the privilege to see an NFL team or college team every week.

There are many people from all over Europe who love the NFL, who stay up to all hours of the night, spent time on their teams fan forum, buy gamepass to watch there team and buy there teams jersey.

But eh, I suppose your right, why ****ing bother with allowing these so called European "fans" see one game :rolleyes2:.

Nothing against Euro fans. God bless every one of you. I wish *I* had the right to purchase season pass like you guys. A couple hundered bucks to watch the Dolphins on my CPU every week? Hog heaven baby! I can't get season pass, because I had to shut off my Dish Network, so, I'm just sucking. The point you can't deny is that a home game is taken from a team, and, if they are in contention, it is a disadvantage for that team.

nyjunc
11-07-2008, 09:48 AM
Pure ignorant statement. What about the European fans? If you did'nt know there was 83,000 people in Wembley stadium to see the Chargers vs the Saints. I travelled over from Ireland to see that game. When I was over there I met people from Denmark, Holland & Germany who spent there hard earned money going to see an NFL game in a different country because it may well be the only time they ever see one. We dont have the privilege to see an NFL team or college team every week.

There are many people from all over Europe who love the NFL, who stay up to all hours of the night, spent time on their teams fan forum, buy gamepass to watch there team and buy there teams jersey.

But eh, I suppose your right, why ****ing bother with allowing these so called European "fans" see one game :rolleyes2:.


No offense but they can watch games on Tv or hop on a plane and come to games here. There's no reason(besides greed) to play a game at a site other than the venue for the home tam. it's not a fair a team loses a home game b/c the NFL wants to generate more money. There are only 8 home games in the NFL, it's not like the NBA, NHL or MLB where there are a million games.

emeraldfin
11-07-2008, 10:10 AM
No offense but they can watch games on Tv or hop on a plane and come to games here. There's no reason(besides greed) to play a game at a site other than the venue for the home tam. it's not a fair a team loses a home game b/c the NFL wants to generate more money. There are only 8 home games in the NFL, it's not like the NBA, NHL or MLB where there are a million games.

Fact is the NFL wants to go International with the game. If you were the owner of a business and had the chance of exposeing it to a new market you would do it. Especially in the current economic climate, it would be foolish to ignore an entire market waiting to be tapped. And trust me, there is a huge market here.

GoonBoss
11-07-2008, 10:21 AM
Fact is the NFL wants to go International with the game. If you were the owner of a business and had the chance of exposeing it to a new market you would do it. Especially in the current economic climate, it would be foolish to ignore an entire market waiting to be tapped. And trust me, there is a huge market here.

Expansion is a better option than penalizeing one fan base to sate another. I'm all for an expansion team in Europe. Make it a regional team like New England or whatever....Heck, put two teams over there. One in Britan and one in Germany. Since LA has proven it can't support a team twice, heck, make the next team move to Europe. IF the market is as big as you say it is, it should work fine....That way it's a road game for one team and a home game for the other.

nyjunc
11-07-2008, 10:25 AM
Fact is the NFL wants to go International with the game. If you were the owner of a business and had the chance of exposeing it to a new market you would do it. Especially in the current economic climate, it would be foolish to ignore an entire market waiting to be tapped. And trust me, there is a huge market here.

It's not fair top the fans of those teams when you only have 8 home games. I'd rather they play a Super Bowl overseas b/c the Stadium for a SB isn't filled w/ real fans anyway.

emeraldfin
11-07-2008, 10:31 AM
Expansion is a better option than penalizeing one fan base to sate another. I'm all for an expansion team in Europe. Make it a regional team like New England or whatever....Heck, put two teams over there. One in Britan and one in Germany. Since LA has proven it can't support a team twice, heck, make the next team move to Europe. IF the market is as big as you say it is, it should work fine....That way it's a road game for one team and a home game for the other.

In an ideal world Goon that would be the prefered case. But I do see what the NFL is doing. Its giving a taste/test to Europe at the moment to see how it goes. If the reaction stays the same for the next three years as it did last year and this year, its not beyond the realm of doubt to see a team in Europe in the next ten years.

Fact is the NFL has to go somewhere with this now. After the five year deal, they cant just end the ties with Europe after building it since the NFL Europe days, they have to give Europe something else, be it more games coming over or a team.

emeraldfin
11-07-2008, 10:38 AM
It's not fair top the fans of those teams when you only have 8 home games. I'd rather they play a Super Bowl overseas b/c the Stadium for a SB isn't filled w/ real fans anyway.

Your looking at this from a fans point of view, not a business one. It helps my perspective and outlook when this type of venture is aimed at people like me. I'm not saying I would'nt feel the same if I was a person from NO losing a home game this year.

Also what do you mean by not filled by real fans? Are European fans not "real" fans?

nyjunc
11-07-2008, 12:31 PM
Your looking at this from a fans point of view, not a business one. It helps my perspective and outlook when this type of venture is aimed at people like me. I'm not saying I would'nt feel the same if I was a person from NO losing a home game this year.

Also what do you mean by not filled by real fans? Are European fans not "real" fans?

I am also thinking of it from a competitive standpoint as well, it's not fair that 1 team gets 7 home games and 1 team gets 7 road games. That is a HUGE benefit to the "road" team and a huge detriment to the "home" team and at some point hey have to do something for the fans that willjepp the NFL thriving and that is the American fans. There are ways to grow the game in Europe w/o screwing us and screwing the competitive balance of the league.

GoonBoss
11-07-2008, 12:46 PM
Your looking at this from a fans point of view, not a business one. It helps my perspective and outlook when this type of venture is aimed at people like me. I'm not saying I would'nt feel the same if I was a person from NO losing a home game this year.

Also what do you mean by not filled by real fans? Are European fans not "real" fans?

I think the inference was regarding "gawkers" and various flotsam and jetsam drawn to any event that is huge. In fairness, the Superbowl in the US is at least 1/4 to 1/2 full of the same sorts.

emeraldfin
11-07-2008, 01:10 PM
I am also thinking of it from a competitive standpoint as well, it's not fair that 1 team gets 7 home games and 1 team gets 7 road games. That is a HUGE benefit to the "road" team and a huge detriment to the "home" team and at some point hey have to do something for the fans that willjepp the NFL thriving and that is the American fans. There are ways to grow the game in Europe w/o screwing us and screwing the competitive balance of the league.

How would you go about it junc?

I mean its pretty hard to sell a product like the NFL any other way. Europe was'nt going to come over to the NFL, the NFL had to be brought to Europe. The NFL is a unique sport. Its really only played competitvely in America and to a lesser extent Canada. You cant compare it to a game like Basketball where there are leagues all across the world and you can play it in nearly every town across the country.

djfresh47
11-07-2008, 06:30 PM
I don't think the NFL will go to Europe. Even the game in Toronto isn't sold out. Play preseason games overseas if they want to test out Europe. Personally I don't believe European football works over here.

Didn't the NFL test out Europe with NFL Europe and the World League?

nyjunc
11-08-2008, 09:01 AM
How would you go about it junc?

I mean its pretty hard to sell a product like the NFL any other way. Europe was'nt going to come over to the NFL, the NFL had to be brought to Europe. The NFL is a unique sport. Its really only played competitvely in America and to a lesser extent Canada. You cant compare it to a game like Basketball where there are leagues all across the world and you can play it in nearly every town across the country.


I would bring a Super Bowl over there. The teams have the extra week to prepare and get used to the time difference and it will be probably a better atmosphere and European fans will get to see the best our sport has to offer. I just don't think it's fair to remove a home game from a team and remove a road game from another team.

Jimi
11-10-2008, 03:50 AM
How about simply lowering the amount of money it takes to play football in the NFL? Seriously, why does a LT need to make 12 Mill a year, before endoursements?? Give all players a base salary of no more then 1 Mill a year for QB's down to 100,000 a year for kickers. Let the players make their big bucks through marketing.

Everyone wins, the fans have lower ticket prices, the owners make more money and the players still make a fantastic living playing a game. How frikin hard could it possibly be?? If players are worried about injuries....buy extra INSURANCE, or don't play!!! Firefighters and Police officers do a much more dangerous job everyday and they don't make 100 mil dollars to do it, why should athelets???

Name one person on this site or any site for that matter that wouldn't kick a football for a 100 grand a year?? Name one that wouldn't line up behind center for a Mil a year? My point is there's no need to pay a sports star 100 mill to play a sport, I don't give a damn how good you are, it's a sport, not brain surgery or cancer research, it's a frikin game.

Not only do you get the perks of being in the limelight, you then make ridiculous amounts of money to boot? What the hell did these guy's ever do to deserve this kind of lifestyle? Run fast? Catch a ball?? Hell when I was a kid, there was nothing I loved more then playing football in the empty lot in my neighborhood, I did it for nothing but the love of the game. It's truly insane. Sometimes capitalism sucks!!!

See the problem with that is unfortunately your not paid by how dangerous, noble etc. your profession is, your paid by
A) how much you can make your boss
B) how rare your skill set is.

Fact of the matter is, owners know how much they can charge where fans will still come, so of course there going to make as much a profit as possible, and hence the players get there cut. That and theres a lot more people in the country who can do the job a cop does, very few people in this country can runover 250 lb freaks or run 40 yds in 4.2 seconds.

Al13
11-16-2008, 06:46 AM
Nothing against Euro fans. God bless every one of you. I wish *I* had the right to purchase season pass like you guys. A couple hundered bucks to watch the Dolphins on my CPU every week? Hog heaven baby! I can't get season pass, because I had to shut off my Dish Network, so, I'm just sucking. The point you can't deny is that a home game is taken from a team, and, if they are in contention, it is a disadvantage for that team.

i can tell ya the quality is great, its like HD with my 25 mbit line plugged to my 46 inch TV , i love it