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kilgore Trout
11-10-2008, 07:17 PM
Jets sign Ty Law :rolleyes:

http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/11/10/jets-sign-cb-law/

rickfinsfan
11-10-2008, 07:45 PM
http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/11/10/jets-sign-cb-law/

Predaphin
11-10-2008, 07:46 PM
Let's hope he is old and out of football shape.

The Jets just keep getting older and older. No future for the Jets. Their window of oppertunity open and closed in the same season LoL!

rickyfan85
11-10-2008, 07:47 PM
Oh thats just great. I was hoping we'd pick him up for the remainder of the season atleast.

dlockz
11-10-2008, 07:50 PM
well I think are are making a mistake by not shoring up the secondary, we are 5-4 and the playoffs are a possibility.

foozool13
11-10-2008, 07:52 PM
well I think are are making a mistake by not shoring up the secondary, we are 5-4 and the playoffs are a possibility.

This team is being built for the future...if we can get into the playoffs during the process even better...but were not signing any old, sitting on the couch veterans...its just not part of the plan...its a system we have here and there is no reason to tinker something that is working so successfully so far.

dlockz
11-10-2008, 07:55 PM
This team is being built for the future...if we can get into the playoffs during the process even better...but were not signing any old, sitting on the couch veterans...its just not part of the plan...its a system we have here and there is no reason to tinker something that is working so successfully so far.


What young player will Law impede from learning. I am not just referring to law, Hall would have been a good young pickup also.

rickyfan85
11-10-2008, 07:56 PM
This team is being built for the future...if we can get into the playoffs during the process even better...but were not signing any old, sitting on the couch veterans...its just not part of the plan...its a system we have here and there is no reason to tinker something that is working so successfully so far.


Dude this "old, sitting on the coach veteran" is an upgrade over Goodman. I'm sorry but our secondary is that bad. I understand that we are building for the future, but signing law to the rest of the season would not hinder that process one bit.

Yessir
11-10-2008, 07:59 PM
Law hasn't been good in a while, and is a team cancer as well. And yes I'd rather have Goodman as of right now. Goodman has improved ya'll...He SHUT DOWN Brandon Marshall. SHUT HIM DOWN. Give the man his props. He's progressed. Outside of the Arizona game I can't think of another game where he was just downright bad.

Perfect23
11-10-2008, 07:59 PM
Dude this "old, sitting on the coach veteran" is an upgrade over Goodman. I'm sorry but our secondary is that bad. I understand that we are building for the future, but signing law to the rest of the season would not hinder that process one bit.

I don't know if I would want to sit Goodman yet

rent this space
11-10-2008, 08:07 PM
I wouldn't have a problem signing someone like Law, but the Trifecta definitely had first dibs and decided against signing him. I can't imagine he's not better than about 5 DB's currently on the roster, but hey, it's tough to argue with the plan so far...

finfan3223
11-10-2008, 08:10 PM
Good just another guy to be mad when the Jets dont make the playoffs and the Dolphins do.:woot:

oasis
11-10-2008, 08:14 PM
I don't think it was us that decided against signing him was it? I thought he was weighing other offers wanting to play for a contender. Maybe he didn't think we're contenders yet. Or maybe he's like Zach and would never want to play for a team he hates. :D

Either way, can't wait to see him crash and burn with the Gliders and old man river.

Pancake
11-10-2008, 08:15 PM
Let's hope he is old and out of football shape.

The Jets just keep getting older and older. No future for the Jets. Their window of oppertunity open and closed in the same season LoL!

Precisely.

The Jets are in the "win now mode" mentality. Their future is fairly bleak. Sign big notable name, over the hill players and hope they can contribute.

The Dolphins are in rebuilding stage and with the current regime in place, they will do what ever is needed to win on a consistant basis. Maybe not now, but for many years to come.

Patience.

dlockz
11-10-2008, 08:17 PM
Precisely.

The Jets are in the "win now mode" mentality. Their future is fairly bleak. Sign big notable name, over the hill players and hope they can contribute.

The Dolphins are in rebuilding stage and with the current regime in place, they will do what ever is needed to win on a consistant basis. Maybe not now, but for many years to come.

Patience.

well that does not explain why we did not attempt to sign Denagelo hall.

rickyfan85
11-10-2008, 08:22 PM
well that does not explain why we did not attempt to sign Denagelo hall.


BTW has anyone signed Hall yet?

rent this space
11-10-2008, 08:26 PM
I didn't want Hall. there has to be a good reason the Raiders let him go in the first year of a 7 year $70 million contract.

KlausC
11-10-2008, 08:31 PM
Precisely.

The Jets are in the "win now mode" mentality. Their future is fairly bleak. Sign big notable name, over the hill players and hope they can contribute.

The Dolphins are in rebuilding stage and with the current regime in place, they will do what ever is needed to win on a consistant basis. Maybe not now, but for many years to come.

Patience.
The Jets are still one of the younger teams in the league when you look at the average players age - Law will probably bump that up a bit though.

He's an upgrade for us at a position we're relatively weak at. We signed him to a one year deal so it won't hurt our future. If he becomes a distraction, Kris Jenkins will eat him.

I like the signing because he gives us an upgrade for this season and as of right now we have a shot at the division.

KlausC
11-10-2008, 08:32 PM
BTW has anyone signed Hall yet?
The 'Skins signed him last week.

BlackRob
11-10-2008, 08:44 PM
I'm sitting here watching ESPN & just realized that the Jets just signed this guy. I'll provide the link in a few. This SUCKS!

CitizenSnips
11-10-2008, 08:45 PM
sounds good to me. Ty Law is all or nothing at CB. He either gets a pick or he gets burnt/Defensive Holding. I'll take those odds.

BlackRob
11-10-2008, 08:46 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3694821

Here's the link

NRA
11-10-2008, 08:59 PM
id he sux so bad, then why would the jets want him?

they are winning! by HUGE margins! the division is most
likely in there hands.

so why would they spend MORE money on a guy who "if he
doesnt get a pick he is burned"?

we could have used him in a HUGE way. he is better at corner
OR safety than ANYONE we have at the moment.

but in all fairness, i am sure ty was just waiting ofr it all to
shake out, pats or jets, whoever looked liked the sure playoff
team and he signed.

but money talks! and miami has PLENTY! they should have made the
push now that we are in a spot to possibly make the playoffs.

aquaman54
11-10-2008, 09:01 PM
If he was still as great as he once was.........he wouldn't have remained out there for so long.And I'm sure the Jets probably gave him a chunk of cash too.I hope so.The Jets are headed for salary cap hell in a couple of years.

dreamwalker
11-10-2008, 09:05 PM
id he sux so bad, then why would the jets want him?

they are winning! by HUGE margins! the division is most
likely in there hands.

so why would they spend MORE money on a guy who "if he
doesnt get a pick he is burned"?

we could have used him in a HUGE way. he is better at corner
OR safety than ANYONE we have at the moment.

but in all fairness, i am sure ty was just waiting ofr it all to
shake out, pats or jets, whoever looked liked the sure playoff
team and he signed.

but money talks! and miami has PLENTY! they should have made the
push now that we are in a spot to possibly make the playoffs.

1) Jets are going to lose their next three games
2) 32 teams passed on him for 10 weeks straight (actually more if you go all the way back to when he was actually on a team)
3) You can either say the jets are winning by huge margins or the rams are losing by huge margins, either way it works sfor me

dreamwalker
11-10-2008, 09:08 PM
BTW has anyone signed Hall yet?
redskins

PhinzN703
11-10-2008, 09:12 PM
Dude this "old, sitting on the coach veteran" is an upgrade over Goodman. I'm sorry but our secondary is that bad. I understand that we are building for the future, but signing law to the rest of the season would not hinder that process one bit.

If the secondary was as bad as your opinion makes them seem, the FO would've done something about it.

PhinzN703
11-10-2008, 09:13 PM
id he sux so bad, then why would the jets want him?

they are winning! by HUGE margins! the division is most
likely in there hands.

so why would they spend MORE money on a guy who "if he
doesnt get a pick he is burned"?

we could have used him in a HUGE way. he is better at corner
OR safety than ANYONE we have at the moment.

but in all fairness, i am sure ty was just waiting ofr it all to
shake out, pats or jets, whoever looked liked the sure playoff
team and he signed.

but money talks! and miami has PLENTY! they should have made the
push now that we are in a spot to possibly make the playoffs.

If he was so good, why was he available in mid November?

PhinzN703
11-10-2008, 09:14 PM
I don't think it was us that decided against signing him was it? I thought he was weighing other offers wanting to play for a contender. Maybe he didn't think we're contenders yet. Or maybe he's like Zach and would never want to play for a team he hates. :D

Either way, can't wait to see him crash and burn with the Gliders and old man river.

So the Jets, a whole game up on the Phins, are contenders while the Phins aren't?

Clipse
11-10-2008, 09:51 PM
well that does not explain why we did not attempt to sign Denagelo hall.
Because Hall is overrated, and sucks.

dolpns13
11-10-2008, 10:14 PM
He signed with the Jets... and thankfully puts the Law to Miami talk to death :up:

http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/11/10/jets-sign-cb-law/

Jetsfan0099
11-10-2008, 10:17 PM
I don't get this crap you guys are saying with the Jets future is bleak. The Jets have been one of the top drafting teams since Tannenbaum and Mangini took over. Our future is not bleak, the Jets can always add more guys through the draft to develop, this was just getting things going. I mean how can a teams future be bad when your team is drafting studs like Ferguson, Mangold, Revis, Harris, Washington, Lowery, Keller... *Gholston is a question, don't know if he will ever do anything*
And the Jets still have young studs from the last GM and HC, Jericho Cotchery, Kerry Rhodes..
Ty Law gives us a DB that understands the position, doesn't need to be fast as he isn't starting anyways, Dwight Lowery will still be the starter. Law will play CB/S. You can't take away from Law the fact he knows how to read a QB. Plus he knows Mangini, he is close with Darrelle Revis, Revis grew up knowing Ty Law, Law is actually Revis' mentor.

QB is the main issue for the future, but the rest of the team should be fine. Alan Faneca should be good for another 3-4 years. Calvin Pace should be a good player for another 5-6 years, RB is the easiest position to fill so when TJ gets older we can find another. TJ is playing at a probowl level right now leading the AFC in rushing yards. On pace for 1,300+ yards 14 TDs 4.7 average.
The Jets really only need to find long term solutions for 2 spots on the OL, LG and RT. Ferguson and Mangold will be locked up for years to come, both only 24 and are playing at probowl levels.

Our CBs are extremely young, Lowery and Revis are 23 and 22 yrs old. Revis is already one of the top CBs in the game. Rhodes is only 26, so he will be here for a while.
A guy I am excited about is Dustin Keller, 23 yrs old and he looks like a stud. Hasn't gotten a lot of opportunities this year, but he shows so much promise. Yesterday he was showing that potential, ability to stretch the seam and he lines up at WR a lot. Hes going to be one of the top receiving TEs in the game, a match up nightmare.


The division should be competitive between our teams for a while, this is a up and coming division.

TPD1479
11-10-2008, 10:21 PM
If it was already posted sorry didn't see it, NY channel 7 news says he signed with jets today....

neonleon
11-11-2008, 12:13 AM
Not sure why people are saying the jets are in a win now mode they have the fourth yougest team in the nfl at 26 years and 115 days
did they sign alot of players in the offseason yes but they had the cap space to do so

Pancake
11-11-2008, 11:44 AM
Not sure why people are saying the jets are in a win now mode they have the fourth yougest team in the nfl at 26 years and 115 days
did they sign alot of players in the offseason yes but they had the cap space to do so


I don't get this crap you guys are saying with the Jets future is bleak.

Not you guys. Me!

Bottom line....
Because the Jets have sold out their immediate future by dumping Pennington in favor of an over the hill HOF QB. By the way, thanks very much.


What are the Jets going to do with all that young talent next year without a freakin quarterback. You guys can't be that myopic. :rolleyes2:

dreamwalker
11-11-2008, 06:32 PM
I don't get this crap you guys are saying with the Jets future is bleak. The Jets have been one of the top drafting teams since Tannenbaum and Mangini took over. Our future is not bleak, the Jets can always add more guys through the draft to develop, this was just getting things going. I mean how can a teams future be bad when your team is drafting studs like Ferguson, Mangold, Revis, Harris, Washington, Lowery, Keller... *Gholston is a question, don't know if he will ever do anything*
And the Jets still have young studs from the last GM and HC, Jericho Cotchery, Kerry Rhodes..
Ty Law gives us a DB that understands the position, doesn't need to be fast as he isn't starting anyways, Dwight Lowery will still be the starter. Law will play CB/S. You can't take away from Law the fact he knows how to read a QB. Plus he knows Mangini, he is close with Darrelle Revis, Revis grew up knowing Ty Law, Law is actually Revis' mentor.

QB is the main issue for the future, but the rest of the team should be fine. Alan Faneca should be good for another 3-4 years. Calvin Pace should be a good player for another 5-6 years, RB is the easiest position to fill so when TJ gets older we can find another. TJ is playing at a probowl level right now leading the AFC in rushing yards. On pace for 1,300+ yards 14 TDs 4.7 average.
The Jets really only need to find long term solutions for 2 spots on the OL, LG and RT. Ferguson and Mangold will be locked up for years to come, both only 24 and are playing at probowl levels.

Our CBs are extremely young, Lowery and Revis are 23 and 22 yrs old. Revis is already one of the top CBs in the game. Rhodes is only 26, so he will be here for a while.
A guy I am excited about is Dustin Keller, 23 yrs old and he looks like a stud. Hasn't gotten a lot of opportunities this year, but he shows so much promise. Yesterday he was showing that potential, ability to stretch the seam and he lines up at WR a lot. Hes going to be one of the top receiving TEs in the game, a match up nightmare.


The division should be competitive between our teams for a while, this is a up and coming division.

I explained this on an earlier thread but i will do it again. The problem with law is what you take as a positive. Law knows the game and he knows enough to get him INTO the game. It will not be until he is playing support, out of breath and five yards BEHIND where he is supposed to be (leaving your CB on an island) that you realize law was in fact not good for your team AND actually harmed your team.

What should worry you is that a Miami fan is extremley happy over this signing.

I also do not believe that the jets are in a position to win the division. They havent really proved any type of strength in the teams they have played- in fact the most telling is a game they didnt win but LOST Oakland. I can see why you would want to be optimistic but the tough part of your schedule is NOW and we will know if you are a pretender or a contender in two weeks.

Remember the only decent team you have beaten was Arizona. Yes you beat Miami (coming off their 1-15 season and was just starting to get their sea-legs)

Another telling sign will be when miami plays oakland this week. Maybe they match up well with the AFC east. If they beat us then you can breathe a sigh of relief. If not you better start worrying about Denver in 3 weeks.

At the beginning of the season I took Buffalo to win the division- thats not looking too good right now and as much as I LOVE Miami, we have a lot going against us right now. We cannot lose more than 2 games this year to get into the playoffs. That means we would have to sweep the bills, patriots and then beat the jets the last game of the season- that would also mean one of the other softer teams CANNOT upset us. That tells me the chances are slim THIS YEAR. THAT IS BEING REALISTIC. Especially the way thigpin has been playing with KC lately (that game scares me even though its WEEKS AWAY)

Being realistic puts a sup-par New England into the playoffs- although at this stage of the game I think the Jets and Miami is a better team- they just have a bit more experience coming through in pressure situations.

I also think the Jets are the dave wannstedt dolphins. They could have been a good team but they are starting to panic and make the wrong decisions. Favre was not a good decision, law is not a good decision and I was happy with both those calls. (another reason to doubt)

I do think you have a chance to make the playoffs IF you win 2 out of your next three games (a long shot at best) HOWEVER i would bet my house that once you were there your run would end with a patented late Favre interception.

If i were the owner of the jets I would start making changes to the team the second i lost 2 out of three games to the titans, pats or denver or I would start to believe Mangini was going to do to the jets what wannstedt did to the dolphins- which is destroy it from the ground up.

kilgore Trout
11-12-2008, 12:07 AM
I explained this on an earlier thread but i will do it again. The problem with law is what you take as a positive. Law knows the game and he knows enough to get him INTO the game. It will not be until he is playing support, out of breath and five yards BEHIND where he is supposed to be (leaving your CB on an island) that you realize law was in fact not good for your team AND actually harmed your team.

What should worry you is that a Miami fan is extremley happy over this signing.

I also do not believe that the jets are in a position to win the division. They havent really proved any type of strength in the teams they have played- in fact the most telling is a game they didnt win but LOST Oakland. I can see why you would want to be optimistic but the tough part of your schedule is NOW and we will know if you are a pretender or a contender in two weeks.

Remember the only decent team you have beaten was Arizona. Yes you beat Miami (coming off their 1-15 season and was just starting to get their sea-legs)

Another telling sign will be when miami plays oakland this week. Maybe they match up well with the AFC east. If they beat us then you can breathe a sigh of relief. If not you better start worrying about Denver in 3 weeks.

At the beginning of the season I took Buffalo to win the division- thats not looking too good right now and as much as I LOVE Miami, we have a lot going against us right now. We cannot lose more than 2 games this year to get into the playoffs. That means we would have to sweep the bills, patriots and then beat the jets the last game of the season- that would also mean one of the other softer teams CANNOT upset us. That tells me the chances are slim THIS YEAR. THAT IS BEING REALISTIC. Especially the way thigpin has been playing with KC lately (that game scares me even though its WEEKS AWAY)

Being realistic puts a sup-par New England into the playoffs- although at this stage of the game I think the Jets and Miami is a better team- they just have a bit more experience coming through in pressure situations.

I also think the Jets are the dave wannstedt dolphins. They could have been a good team but they are starting to panic and make the wrong decisions. Favre was not a good decision, law is not a good decision and I was happy with both those calls. (another reason to doubt)

I do think you have a chance to make the playoffs IF you win 2 out of your next three games (a long shot at best) HOWEVER i would bet my house that once you were there your run would end with a patented late Favre interception.

If i were the owner of the jets I would start making changes to the team the second i lost 2 out of three games to the titans, pats or denver or I would start to believe Mangini was going to do to the jets what wannstedt did to the dolphins- which is destroy it from the ground up.

:sidelol: Unreal. I will not sleep tonight knowing this. Do you actually believe what you post?

:sidelol: :sidelol:

Zandimd
11-12-2008, 12:14 AM
do the jests fans here think they have a chance at beating the pats? if they dont their season is over, and i will sleep soundly thursday night.

neonleon
11-12-2008, 12:19 AM
do the jests fans here think they have a chance at beating the pats? if they dont their season is over, and i will sleep soundly thursday night.

i don't think there season would be over they would still be 6-4

they would have to go 4-2 over the last 6 games which i think they could do

dreamwalker
11-12-2008, 12:21 AM
i don't think there season would be over they would still be 6-4

they would have to go 4-2 over the last 6 games which i think they could do

but then you wake up from your dream and you realize you have to face the titans the next week :lol:

dreamwalker
11-12-2008, 12:28 AM
:sidelol: Unreal. I will not sleep tonight knowing this. Do you actually believe what you post?

:sidelol: :sidelol:

:clap:

good job you took a 15 word dig designed get under the skin of jets fans while igonring the other 10 paragraphs.

I dont want to make it too complicated for you. Maybe now we got past those 15 words we can move on to the others or did the group tire you out too much?

kilgore Trout
11-12-2008, 02:09 PM
:clap:

good job you took a 15 word dig designed get under the skin of jets fans while igonring the other 10 paragraphs.

I dont want to make it too complicated for you. Maybe now we got past those 15 words we can move on to the others or did the group tire you out too much?
The other ten paragraphs weren't nearly as funny!!

Wait. This little gem isn't bad:

"Favre was not a good decision, law is not a good decision and I was happy with both those calls. (another reason to doubt)" :sidelol:

Maybe the Jets should have Mike Tannenbaum check with Dreamwalker before he makes any more deals. Too funny...:lol:

dreamwalker
11-12-2008, 05:22 PM
The other ten paragraphs weren't nearly as funny!!

Wait. This little gem isn't bad:

"Favre was not a good decision, law is not a good decision and I was happy with both those calls. (another reason to doubt)" :sidelol:

Maybe the Jets should have Mike Tannenbaum check with Dreamwalker before he makes any more deals. Too funny...:lol:

If you liked that one, then you will LOVE this one

Miami wins
Denver- DIVISION LEADER
Patriots- DIVISION LEADER
San Diego-probably a 500 club
Buffalo- probably a 500 club
Seattle- probably a sub 500 club

Miami losses
Ravens- DIVISION LEADER
Arizona- DIVISION LEADER
Jets- DIVISION LEADER
Houston- Whom we have never beaten

Jet wins
Arizona- DIVISION LEADER
Miami-probably a 500 club
Cincinnati- A sub 500 club
Kansas City A sub 500 club
Rams- A sub 500 club

Jets Losses
New England- DIVISION LEADER
San Diego- A 500 club
Oakland- A sub 500 club

Now we can both roll around in laughter
:sidelol:

kilgore Trout
11-12-2008, 09:35 PM
If you liked that one, then you will LOVE this one

Miami wins
Denver- DIVISION LEADER
Patriots- DIVISION LEADER
San Diego-probably a 500 club
Buffalo- probably a 500 club
Seattle- probably a sub 500 club

Miami losses
Ravens- DIVISION LEADER
Arizona- DIVISION LEADER
Jets- DIVISION LEADER
Houston- Whom we have never beaten

Jet wins
Arizona- DIVISION LEADER
Miami-probably a 500 club
Cincinnati- A sub 500 club
Kansas City A sub 500 club
Rams- A sub 500 club

Jets Losses
New England- DIVISION LEADER
San Diego- A 500 club
Oakland- A sub 500 club

Now we can both roll around in laughter
:sidelol:

Well, I guess all that stuff makes you feel all :kick: about your team and is supposed to make me :boohoo:, but...........................

















I still like ya! You are one hysterical dude :up:

dreamwalker
11-12-2008, 09:42 PM
Well, I guess all that stuff makes you feel all :kick: about your team and is supposed to make me :boohoo:, but...........................

















I still like ya! You are one hysterical dude :up:

I hope you know i had to tear my fingers from their sockets because they thanked a jets fan.

I hope you are happy, now i have to type with my toes :err:

KlausC
11-12-2008, 10:14 PM
If you liked that one, then you will LOVE this one

Miami wins
Denver- DIVISION LEADER
Patriots- DIVISION LEADER
San Diego-probably a 500 club
Buffalo- probably a 500 club
Seattle- probably a sub 500 club

Miami losses
Ravens- DIVISION LEADER
Arizona- DIVISION LEADER
Jets- DIVISION LEADER
Houston- Whom we have never beaten

Jet wins
Arizona- DIVISION LEADER
Miami-probably a 500 club
Buffalo- probably a 500 club
Cincinnati- A sub 500 club
Kansas City A sub 500 club
Rams- A sub 500 club

Jets Losses
New England- DIVISION LEADER
San Diego- A 500 club
Oakland- A sub 500 club

Now we can both roll around in laughter
:sidelol:
I took the liberty of adding our win on the road against the Bills to that list. Is the Dolphins loss to the Jets a credit to them because we're the division leader? If the Jets beat the Pats tomorrow night, what does there classification turn into?

Our only horrible loss was the one @Oakland. That was disturbing. San Diego on the road is tough. NE - bah - those pricks just have our number. Hopefully our fortunes change tomorrow night.

I really don't see how the Law move hurts us. We drop a player who was inactive the entire season except for one game and pickup a guy who will almost certainly be an upgrade in the nickel/dime position over the awful Drew Coleman. If he doesn't work out we just inactivate him like Miller or cut him. It's worth a shot to see if he has anything left in the tank.

It's simple really
someone who contributes on gameday > someone who doesn't

dreamwalker
11-12-2008, 10:43 PM
I took the liberty of adding our win on the road against the Bills to that list. Is the Dolphins loss to the Jets a credit to them because we're the division leader? If the Jets beat the Pats tomorrow night, what does there classification turn into?

Our only horrible loss was the one @Oakland. That was disturbing. San Diego on the road is tough. NE - bah - those pricks just have our number. Hopefully our fortunes change tomorrow night.

I really don't see how the Law move hurts us. We drop a player who was inactive the entire season except for one game and pickup a guy who will almost certainly be an upgrade in the nickel/dime position over the awful Drew Coleman. If he doesn't work out we just inactivate him like Miller or cut him. It's worth a shot to see if he has anything left in the tank.

It's simple really
someone who contributes on gameday > someone who doesn't
Any fair and resonable person can not look at what could be only what it is, and right now it is what it is.

IF the jets win tomorrow, and IF they bet the titans and IF they havent started to snowball out of control and beat Denver, of course i would give them credit for what they are. But right now they havent beat anyone of any importance. A fair and balanced person would say-yeah, all we have done is beaten bad teams.

Trust me I would be the first to say that if we had your record (i know you dont knnow me enough to trust me but...)

Your losses is real bad losses as I explained in my breakdown- we will see and will be able to know more in three weeks. It could be a tough 3 weeks for you.

As far as law goes- a lot of people would have said in 2003 "How does having jay fiedler on this team hurt us... Depth is a good thing"

I said its too tempting to have Jay "the washed up neverhasbeen" fiedler on our team because its too easy to fall back on. One minute he confuses you with his brilliant flash of mediocrity, the next hes throwing a game losing pick 6 in the last minute of a season ending game.

Of course thats just me, maybe you have 100 percent faith that your coaches could never fall for a "name" player. I just dont have it in me for that type of faith. :unsure:

phinMikeDC
11-12-2008, 10:48 PM
Regardless of the argument as to whether the Jets or the Dolphins have more quality wins, Ty Law was cut by the stinkin Chiefs by his former coach in NY. I just don't think he has it anymore. As a Jet fan I would be hopeful, but reminds me a little of the Ravens signing Deion a few years back. He may make a few big plays but as a whole he probably doesn't help the team any more than Miller or Lowery as a 3rd CB.

KlausC
11-12-2008, 10:58 PM
Any fair and resonable person can not look at what could be only what it is, and right now it is what it is.

IF the jets win tomorrow, and IF they bet the titans and IF they havent started to snowball out of control and beat Denver, of course i would give them credit for what they are. But right now they havent beat anyone of any importance. A fair and balanced person would say-yeah, all we have done is beaten bad teams.

The Cards are a good team. The Bills are OK and pretty tough at home. My opinion is that the Fins are better than the Bills, but we beat you guys week one and you're a better team now. To say we only beat bad teams isn't a fair statement IMO, but I agree we haven't beat any world killers. We don't have a signature win.



Trust me I would be the first to say that if we had your record (i know you dont knnow me enough to trust me but...)

Your losses is real bad losses as I explained in my breakdown- we will see and will be able to know more in three weeks. It could be a tough 3 weeks for you.

SD in SD is a tough team. Oakland was horrible. The Pats was probably the worse loss simply because they are a division opponent, but they're still a good team. I guess we just disagree.



As far as law goes- a lot of people would have said in 2003 "How does having jay fiedler on this team hurt us... Depth is a good thing"

I said its too tempting to have Jay "the washed up neverhasbeen" fiedler on our team because its too easy to fall back on. One minute he confuses you with his brilliant flash of mediocrity, the next hes throwing a game losing pick 6 in the last minute of a season ending game.

Of course thats just me, maybe you have 100 percent faith that your coaches could never fall for a "name" player. I just dont have it in me for that type of faith. :unsure:
I don't think you understand how bad Coleman is. Odds are Law is an upgrade, but only time will tell. If he isn't then we just cut him, no big deal really.

dreamwalker
11-12-2008, 11:13 PM
The Cards are a good team. The Bills are OK and pretty tough at home. My opinion is that the Fins are better than the Bills, but we beat you guys week one and you're a better team now. To say we only beat bad teams isn't a fair statement IMO, but I agree we haven't beat any world killers. We don't have a signature win.
Now you forced me into being fair, Arizona is a good team, that as why i listed them as a division leader in my breakdown. I do tend to discredit a jets win because, i am that 70s hardcore dolphin kind of fan that has two favorite teams, Miami and any team that is playing jets this week.

However i am not even going to go as far as you. I dont think Miami is as good as the Bills, until they get their run blocking problem fixed (having ronnie and ricky in the backfield and still cant get 3 yards when you need it is not acceptable) and we play special teams like a bunch of high school students.

But I do believe we beat the bills in one area- our coaches (excluding our ST coach) are better coaches.

NE is in trouble, unfortunatly for the rest of the division, they dont realize it yet.


SD in SD is a tough team. Oakland was horrible. The Pats was probably the worse loss simply because they are a division opponent, but they're still a good team. I guess we just disagree.

I am not sold on the "Let me throw 2 interceptions but i will get you 3 touch downs" approach to winning games. I dont know why but I could never like that. :unsure:


I don't think you understand how bad Coleman is. Odds are Law is an upgrade, but only time will tell. If he isn't then we just cut him, no big deal really.

I tried to put myself in your place, I know i didnt want law here and our secondary can have 747 size holes in it, yet i still didnt want him. Like i said above older players can become traps. Coaches tend to pass on good players for other holes simply because of the name, they tend to put them in games just because of the name and a prayer that they can come up with one more primetime play. To me the risk outweighs the reward- this i think is where we disagree the most.