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Pancake
11-14-2008, 10:27 AM
Can anyone show me the Jets glaring weakness?

Here's a hint. 511 TOTAL YARDS

And the NY media is already awarding the Jets the SB trophy. :rolleyes2:

neonleon
11-14-2008, 11:58 AM
Can anyone show me the Jets glaring weakness?

Here's a hint. 511 TOTAL YARDS

And the NY media is already awarding the Jets the SB trophy. :rolleyes2:


Ya Cassell had one hell of a game threw for 400 yards and ran for 60


most of his passing yards came from running backs and tight ends

except one long screen pass to aiken (sp)

satz
11-14-2008, 12:36 PM
He is a FA next year . if matt shaub can get 8 million a yr with 1 start and a few backup apperence can you imagine what he will get ?.

i hope favre does not retire or else i will be not be suprised a bit if he ends up in Jets land.

neonleon
11-14-2008, 01:29 PM
He is a FA next year . if matt shaub can get 8 million a yr with 1 start and a few backup apperence can you imagine what he will get ?.

i hope favre does not retire or else i will be not be suprised a bit if he ends up in Jets land.


from what i've seen in the games he's played in i wouldn't mind .

We also have some decent young QB that i would like to see with the first team .

Clemens didn't have an O line or any weapons last year and still went 3-5 should have been 4-4 atleast if wasn't for bad reciever play

Ratliff looked really good in the preseason but it is what it is preseason.

and who knows about Ainge

Jetsfan0099
11-14-2008, 02:39 PM
The Jets play a bend but not break defense. But they gave up some Red zone TDs today. That catch and throw to Randy Moss was completely lucky, Cassel will never make a throw or have a game like he did today again. Cassel can go where ever he wants, but he is a scrum still. Someone will pay him and he will be bad, the Pats system makes average Qbs look good.

kilgore Trout
11-14-2008, 02:48 PM
The Jets play a bend but not break defense. But they gave up some Red zone TDs today. That catch and throw to Randy Moss was completely lucky, Cassel will never make a throw or have a game like he did today again. Cassel can go where ever he wants, but he is a scrum still. Someone will pay him and he will be bad, the Pats system makes average Qbs look good.

+1

Cassel will not be a Jet!!

I think it's safe to say that Jet fans know what this team's weakness is. It's TEs and RBs outta the backfield running slants and other intermediate routes. Most LBs are not great in coverage, but we are having especially bad problems in this area.

The first half of last night's game, our defense was very good. Second half, our coaching staff was too conservative. We are one of the best teams in the league at sacking the QB. We need to keep up the pressure for most of the game or we will make the Matt Cassels of this league look like pro bowlers.

That being said, what a difference from last year when we couldn't stop anything.

The Myth
11-14-2008, 04:22 PM
He is a FA next year . if matt shaub can get 8 million a yr with 1 start and a few backup apperence can you imagine what he will get ?.

i hope favre does not retire or else i will be not be suprised a bit if he ends up in Jets land.
Well at this time he has been saying he is incredibly thankful to the Pats and Bob Kraft for taking a chance on him to start with. He told PFW that he would be more than willing to resign with the Patriots for decent backup money.

Pancake
11-14-2008, 04:38 PM
:threadjacked:


The Jets play a bend but not break defense. But they gave up some Red zone TDs today. Indeed they did. Not to mention FIVE football fields worth of yardage. That's an awfully large amount of bending IMO. Even when they put a 50+ spot up on the Cardinals, they still gave up 35 points to them. That's even more than the Cardinals scored on the Dolphins.

Do you see how silly your logic can be construed? :m359:


That catch and throw to Randy Moss was completely lucky, What? ... Why? :ponder:


Cassel will never make a throw or have a game like he did today again. Opinion noted. However, my crystal ball doesn't seem to work as well as yours does.
:bs:


Cassel can go where ever he wants, but he is a scrum still. Someone will pay him and he will be bad, the Pats system makes average Qbs look good.
Certainly you're not saying that Brady is an "average" QB, are you? :rolleyes2:
By the way.... What's a 'scrum'? Scrub perhaps?

In an attempt to steer the thread back on track, my original intentions were to illustrate an obvious and glaring weakness in the Jets defense. This is EXACTLY the type of defense that goes nowhere if they are to be fourtunate enough to earn a playoff berth.

Care to comment now?

djfresh47
11-14-2008, 07:04 PM
I think Brett Favre turning the ball over should be a concern. The Jets are good team. They've beaten everybody in the division on the road. Some people think stats are the end all but they won. Is losing giving up 200 yards better than winning and giving up 500?

They still lost to the Raiders so we'll see. The division race will be close. SNY is all over the Jets jock.

If anybody does happen to see Ray Lucas on tv. He's worse at analyzing football than he was at Qb. Really quite an accomplishment.

BleedinGreenNC
11-14-2008, 10:08 PM
I think Brett Favre turning the ball over should be a concern. The Jets are good team. They've beaten everybody in the division on the road. Some people think stats are the end all but they won. Is losing giving up 200 yards better than winning and giving up 500?

They still lost to the Raiders so we'll see. The division race will be close. SNY is all over the Jets jock.

If anybody does happen to see Ray Lucas on tv. He's worse at analyzing football than he was at Qb. Really quite an accomplishment.

Favre turned the ball over last night? :rolleyes:

djfresh47
11-14-2008, 10:52 PM
Favre turned the ball over last night? :rolleyes:

No but he does lead the league in interceptions. He's still a good player but he's always thrown alot of picks. So it's nothing new. I think he's probably what most Jets fans expected him to be. Makes some plays that make you cringe but makes plays that gets Madden hot and bothered.

kilgore Trout
11-15-2008, 04:55 AM
:threadjacked:

Indeed they did. Not to mention FIVE football fields worth of yardage. That's an awfully large amount of bending IMO. Even when they put a 50+ spot up on the Cardinals, they still gave up 35 points to them. That's even more than the Cardinals scored on the Dolphins.

Do you see how silly your logic can be construed? :m359:

What? ... Why? :ponder:

Opinion noted. However, my crystal ball doesn't seem to work as well as yours does.
:bs:


Certainly you're not saying that Brady is an "average" QB, are you? :rolleyes2:
By the way.... What's a 'scrum'? Scrub perhaps?

In an attempt to steer the thread back on track, my original intentions were to illustrate an obvious and glaring weakness in the Jets defense. This is EXACTLY the type of defense that goes nowhere if they are to be fourtunate enough to earn a playoff berth.

Care to comment now?

You say that this thread has been jacked. How has it been jacked if we are talking about the Jets' passing D?

And now that you have published your brilliant analysis of the "glaring weakness of the Jets," did you get the reaction you were looking for? What exactly is your point?

Oh, never mind, I just saw that you are the "smackmaster."

LOL.....carry on

Jetsfan0099
11-15-2008, 11:23 AM
:threadjacked:

Indeed they did. Not to mention FIVE football fields worth of yardage. That's an awfully large amount of bending IMO. Even when they put a 50+ spot up on the Cardinals, they still gave up 35 points to them. That's even more than the Cardinals scored on the Dolphins.

Do you see how silly your logic can be construed? :m359:

What? ... Why? :ponder:

Opinion noted. However, my crystal ball doesn't seem to work as well as yours does.
:bs:


Certainly you're not saying that Brady is an "average" QB, are you? :rolleyes2:
By the way.... What's a 'scrum'? Scrub perhaps?

In an attempt to steer the thread back on track, my original intentions were to illustrate an obvious and glaring weakness in the Jets defense. This is EXACTLY the type of defense that goes nowhere if they are to be fourtunate enough to earn a playoff berth.

Care to comment now?
You got to realize that the Jets give up most of their yards in their "prevent" defense they play. We were up big against the Pats 24-6, we were up big against the Cardinals 35-0. The Jets need to know how to put teams away, thats their problem.
And if you think Cassel is a stud you are mistaken, because the guy can't hit a 20+ yard pass for his life, at least Brady can throw downfield. Cassel can only throw dump offs, like 5 yard pass to Welker or the 7 yard out route, or just a simple screen. Like that one guy getting 43 yards off of a screen pass to make Cassel look better.
That throw was lucky by Cassel, he will never make that throw again. He is not a stud QB, whoever goes after him will be idiotic, hes a back up QB in the NFL. I wouldn't want that guy as a starter. I see more out of the Jets backups as future starters as they can actually throw a pass more than 20 yards. Trust me I can spot a 1 year wonder miles away, I remember saying Derek Anderson was a fraud last year and this year he is doing nothing and was benched.

Jetsfan0099
11-15-2008, 11:26 AM
I think Brett Favre turning the ball over should be a concern. The Jets are good team. They've beaten everybody in the division on the road. Some people think stats are the end all but they won. Is losing giving up 200 yards better than winning and giving up 500?

They still lost to the Raiders so we'll see. The division race will be close. SNY is all over the Jets jock.

If anybody does happen to see Ray Lucas on tv. He's worse at analyzing football than he was at Qb. Really quite an accomplishment.
SNY is a Jets network...... Sorry for that but trying to act like a New York Network won't talk about a NY team is stupid.

But anyways if Favre plays like he did against the Pats, then we will be fine. He played like he was with the Packers last year, throwing short slants and giving his WRs a chance to make plays. He was very efficient, and that last drive for the FG to win the game was beautiful.
By the way he is loving our stud rookie TE Dustin Keller, hes going to be a big time TE in the NFL. The guy is like a big WR out there.

Pancake
11-15-2008, 12:45 PM
What exactly is your point?I've made them quite clear. What you have done is dimissed them or respond to some with myopic opinions.
It's okay though. Typical 'blinded by the city lights" mentality. Living in the area, I've become accustom to it.


You got to realize that the Jets give up most of their yards in their "prevent" defense they play. We were up big against the Pats 24-6, we were up big against the Cardinals 35-0. The Jets need to know how to put teams away, thats their problem. So using this analogy makes you feel better? ... LOL WGAF? I mean really. Not just their pass defense, their overall defense sucks! In this game, the Jets didn't stop anything the Patriots were doing. The Patriots shot themselves in the foot time after time. At 24-6 Belichick appeared to panic. With plenty of time in the first half, New England elected to go for it on 4th downs in Jets territory and failed when he could have attemped field goals TWICE! That might have cut the deficit form 24-6 to 24-12 going into the locker room.

Twice more in the 3rd quarter, the Patriots stopped themselves with stupid mistakes (phantom fumble and the bad snap) but still managed to climb closer while the Jets OFFENSE; not their defense, did nothing. The Jets were very opportunistic. I'll give you that much.
By the way, I love that phantom sack of Farve. Seemed to be an invisble entity on the field all night for this one. LOL



And if you think Cassel is a stud you are mistaken, because the guy can't hit a 20+ yard pass for his life,I've said nothing of the kind. As a matter of fact, I never even mentioned Cassel's name. All I've been doing in trashing the Jets defense and outting your myopic points of view.


at least Brady can throw downfield. Cassel can only throw dump offs, like 5 yard pass to Welker or the 7 yard out route, or just a simple screen. Like that one guy getting 43 yards off of a screen pass to make Cassel look better. Then I guess you where in the bathroom when Cassel over threw that bomb to Moss, right? :rolleyes:


That throw was lucky by Cassel, he will never make that throw again. He is not a stud QB, whoever goes after him will be idiotic, hes a back up QB in the NFL. I wouldn't want that guy as a starter. I see more out of the Jets backups as future starters as they can actually throw a pass more than 20 yards. Trust me I can spot a 1 year wonder miles away, I remember saying Derek Anderson was a fraud last year and this year he is doing nothing and was benched.Trust you?... :sidelol:
Again.... WGAF! ... The topic remains the Jets crappy defense. I look foward to seeing it being exposed more and more as the season progresses...

djfresh47
11-15-2008, 01:19 PM
SNY is a Jets network...... Sorry for that but trying to act like a New York Network won't talk about a NY team is stupid.

But anyways if Favre plays like he did against the Pats, then we will be fine. He played like he was with the Packers last year, throwing short slants and giving his WRs a chance to make plays. He was very efficient, and that last drive for the FG to win the game was beautiful.
By the way he is loving our stud rookie TE Dustin Keller, hes going to be a big time TE in the NFL. The guy is like a big WR out there.

I know it's a NY network but they've not objectivity. It's the Mets network so the line is pretty much drawn in the sand. Anything the Yankees do= bad anything the Mets do= good. Ferrall and Tierney are alright.

I really dislike most hometown analysts like Ray Lucas because half the time they've got nothing ever to comment bad about a team. A prime example of that is Lamar Thomas wanting to get on the field during the Miami v Lil Sisters of the poor fight awhile back.

Jetsfan0099
11-15-2008, 02:15 PM
I've made them quite clear. What you have done is dimissed them or respond to some with myopic opinions.
It's okay though. Typical 'blinded by the city lights" mentality. Living in the area, I've become accustom to it.

So using this analogy makes you feel better? ... LOL WGAF? I mean really. Not just their pass defense, their overall defense sucks! In this game, the Jets didn't stop anything the Patriots were doing. The Patriots shot themselves in the foot time after time. At 24-6 Belichick appeared to panic. With plenty of time in the first half, New England elected to go for it on 4th downs in Jets territory and failed when he could have attemped field goals TWICE! That might have cut the deficit form 24-6 to 24-12 going into the locker room.

Twice more in the 3rd quarter, the Patriots stopped themselves with stupid mistakes (phantom fumble and the bad snap) but still managed to climb closer while the Jets OFFENSE; not their defense, did nothing. The Jets were very opportunistic. I'll give you that much.
By the way, I love that phantom sack of Farve. Seemed to be an invisble entity on the field all night for this one. LOL


I've said nothing of the kind. As a matter of fact, I never even mentioned Cassel's name. All I've been doing in trashing the Jets defense and outting your myopic points of view.

Then I guess you where in the bathroom when Cassel over threw that bomb to Moss, right? :rolleyes:

Trust you?... :sidelol:
Again.... WGAF! ... The topic remains the Jets crappy defense. I look foward to seeing it being exposed more and more as the season progresses...

First off I never wrote whats your point, you put that in. Second off saying the Jets overall defense is bad is the most idiotic thing I've heard.... The Jets run defense has been great this year, their running game was basically Cassel having wide open lanes because we weren't spying the QB. Their RBs couldn't get a run game going. The Jets pass defense is the only thing bad about them. If the Jets defense is so terrible how come they are top ten in run defense and top 5 in sacks????? Seriously the only reason we are bad against passes is because of young guys out in our secondary, Dwight Lowery has been having growing pains lately, and our nickel backs are bad. Hopefully Ty law helps. Right now we have 2 guys in our secondary that are playing good, Rhodes and Revis. The rest have been getting beat. Again you saying the Jets defense stinks is dumb, because they start out good we get a big lead go to prevent and then we start giving stuff up. Trust me, you probably watched maybe 1 Jets game this year. I've watched every Jets game this year. I know more about my team then you.
Seriously some of the fans on this board are so classless, people like you. Why do you have to talk about the Jets and bring them down? They won and they are in first place right now, someone seems jealous.

Pancake
11-15-2008, 04:39 PM
First off I never wrote whats your point, you put that in.My bad. You're absolutely right. It was that trout fellows drivel. Sounded like you. lol



Second off saying the Jets overall defense is bad is the most idiotic thing I've heard....Middle of the pack ,14th overall.


The Jets run defense has been great this year, their running game was basically Cassel having wide open lanes because we weren't spying the QB. Their RBs couldn't get a run game going. The Jets pass defense is the only thing bad about them. If the Jets defense is so terrible how come they are top ten in run defense and top 5 in sacks????? Basically? ... Deceiving because when jumping out to a 24-6 lead, the oppositions running game is all but an after thought. Even without Cassel's yardage, Patriot running backs still collected 63 yards on the ground.





Seriously the only reason we are bad against passes is because of young guys out in our secondary, Dwight Lowery has been having growing pains lately, and our nickel backs are bad. Hopefully Ty law helps. Right now we have 2 guys in our secondary that are playing good, Rhodes and Revis. The rest have been getting beat. Again you saying the Jets defense stinks is dumb, because they start out good we get a big lead go to prevent and then we start giving stuff up. Pass defense is 27th = STINKS.
You are correct though. Their run defense is pretty formidable but why run when you can pass all day?


Trust me, you probably watched maybe 1 Jets game this year. I've watched every Jets game this year. I know more about my team then you. Again with the "trust me's"?? ... How about trust me! .. You're absolutely right. I'd rather a frontal lobotomy then to be subjected to watching Jets games. Perhaps living in this area and being subjected to the NY fans and the incredibly biased media that's made me this way. Rest assured though, I'm so happy I don't view teams I like to follow with rose colored glasses on. I can and often do discuss the good and the bad about sports teams in general. My question to you is what's your excuse? <---Don't worry, it's rhetorical but then again, you'd dismiss it anyway because you'd have no answer for it. LOL

Seriously some of the fans on this board are so classless, people like you. Oh thank you very little. Seems you've misinterpreted objectivity and level headed thinking for classlessness. :sidelol:


Why do you have to talk about the Jets and bring them down? They won and they are in first place right now, someone seems jealous.As I've suggested to others here and elsewhere. Grow a pair, willya! "Bring them down"? ... ROTF! Did I hurt your feelings?

Tellya what... You answer some of the more difficult questions I've presented in this very thread for debate, and I'll answer your "bring them down" question.

Here's something that you can't fathom.
I give props to the Jets for their accomplishments so far this year. First place in the division. Congratulations! That my friend is called an honest and objective offering. Something I've yet to hear coming out of your piehole. :woot:

Finally, if what I've debated you about upsets you so much, why for phuck sake would you frequent a Miami Dolphins forum???

Jetsfan0099
11-15-2008, 05:10 PM
Dude I've said plenty of good things about other teams, but you saying you are even with everyteam is near retarded. Because you are extremely bias. You go on saying how the Jets defense is terrible that they are the worst and so on. Then you go on saying how you haven't watched a Jets game......... So how come you are saying they are so bad but you haven't watched a game??? Stats tell you that the Jets are at least a good defense. They have weaknesses in the secondary, but the rest of the unit is strong. Rankings indicate that exactly. They aren't "terrible" like you think.
I can talk football with anyone and be honest about other teams. I don't just bring down teams because they are in my division like you are. So PLEASE save me that crap you saying you are a very unbiased fan. Because the way you talk shows that is a load of crap.

Pancake
11-15-2008, 05:30 PM
Dude I've said plenty of good things about other teams, but you saying you are even with everyteam is near retarded. Because you are extremely bias. You go on saying how the Jets defense is terrible that they are the worst and so on. Then you go on saying how you haven't watched a Jets game......... So how come you are saying they are so bad but you haven't watched a game??? Stats tell you that the Jets are at least a good defense. They have weaknesses in the secondary, but the rest of the unit is strong. Rankings indicate that exactly. They aren't "terrible" like you think.
I can talk football with anyone and be honest about other teams. I don't just bring down teams because they are in my division like you are. So PLEASE save me that crap you saying you are a very unbiased fan. Because the way you talk shows that is a load of crap.
Okay I'll end this clusterphuck once and for all.

Apparently you will never answer any of the questions put forth so I'll leave you alone with your funky colored glasses on in never never land. K?

Here ya go.... :koolbang:Drink up. QUICK!

kilgore Trout
11-17-2008, 08:40 PM
My bad. You're absolutely right. It was that trout fellows drivel. Sounded like you. lol


Middle of the pack ,14th overall.

Basically? ... Deceiving because when jumping out to a 24-6 lead, the oppositions running game is all but an after thought. Even without Cassel's yardage, Patriot running backs still collected 63 yards on the ground.




Pass defense is 27th = STINKS.
You are correct though. Their run defense is pretty formidable but why run when you can pass all day?

Again with the "trust me's"?? ... How about trust me! .. You're absolutely right. I'd rather a frontal lobotomy then to be subjected to watching Jets games. Perhaps living in this area and being subjected to the NY fans and the incredibly biased media that's made me this way. Rest assured though, I'm so happy I don't view teams I like to follow with rose colored glasses on. I can and often do discuss the good and the bad about sports teams in general. My question to you is what's your excuse? <---Don't worry, it's rhetorical but then again, you'd dismiss it anyway because you'd have no answer for it. LOL
Oh thank you very little. Seems you've misinterpreted objectivity and level headed thinking for classlessness. :sidelol:

As I've suggested to others here and elsewhere. Grow a pair, willya! "Bring them down"? ... ROTF! Did I hurt your feelings?

Tellya what... You answer some of the more difficult questions I've presented in this very thread for debate, and I'll answer your "bring them down" question.

Here's something that you can't fathom.
I give props to the Jets for their accomplishments so far this year. First place in the division. Congratulations! That my friend is called an honest and objective offering. Something I've yet to hear coming out of your piehole. :woot:

Finally, if what I've debated you about upsets you so much, why for phuck sake would you frequent a Miami Dolphins forum???

Dude, it is you that is posting drivel. You posted a stat from one game and declared that "the Jets D sucks." I asked you "what's your point?" You didn't answer me, you just proceeded to attack another Jets fan.

You said that you would end this cluster****. You are the one who started this thread. With the intention of flaming the board. I asked you if you got the reaction you wanted. Well, did you?

Like most classless Patsy fans, your superiority complex because of the team you root for, causes you to find fault with a team that beat you.

Here's some advice: save the money you'd spend on your "Jets Suck" Tee Shirt, go to Walmart and buy yourself a personality.