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WVDolphan
11-23-2008, 06:50 PM
At least I got to enjoy something that happened today. Jets won, Bills won, we lost to the Cheatriots, Ravens won. Wow. Bad day. If it werent for how much Culpepper blows, I wouldnt have even gotten a single laugh for the day.

emeraldfin
11-23-2008, 07:39 PM
He also looks like a defensive end.

He must live in the Lions canteen.

CedarPhin
11-23-2008, 10:28 PM
He had a nice start, but you knew he'd have at least 2 INTs in the game.

What a bum.

X-Pacolypse
11-24-2008, 12:53 AM
That's why he's Dumbte. The guy looks totally clueless out there.

dlockz
11-24-2008, 02:35 PM
Yea Daunte is the reason that the Lions have not won a game lol. Not saying Culpepper was good but people just cant wait to pile on a Qb that did not go through an offeseason with a team, did not go through a training camp with a team and was not signed until half way through the season. Realistically would many qb's do well in that scenario and be honest.

SpaceMountain16
11-24-2008, 02:53 PM
Yea Daunte is the reason that the Lions have not won a game lol. Not saying Culpepper was good but people just cant wait to pile on a Qb that did not go through an offeseason with a team, did not go through a training camp with a team and was not signed until half way through the season. Realistically would many qb's do well in that scenario and be honest.

Yep

Not that i'm a Culpepper fan, but Warren Moon couldn't win a game with that Lions team. Not in the situation that Culpepper has been in.

dlockz
11-24-2008, 03:28 PM
Yep

Not that i'm a Culpepper fan, but Warren Moon couldn't win a game with that Lions team. Not in the situation that Culpepper has been in.


people just keep dumping on daunte no matter what happens. Did anyone see the guy that replaced Daunte in Miami play yesterday. Trent green signed a pretty good contract, had a full off season and training camp with the Rama and went out and threw 4 interceptions. for the season he has a passer rating of 41.7 and 0 tds 6 interceptions. I dont see people going around making Trent Green still blows threads.

emeraldfin
11-24-2008, 04:17 PM
people just keep dumping on daunte no matter what happens. Did anyone see the guy that replaced Daunte in Miami play yesterday. Trent green signed a pretty good contract, had a full off season and training camp with the Rama and went out and threw 4 interceptions. for the season he has a passer rating of 41.7 and 0 tds 6 interceptions. I dont see people going around making Trent Green still blows threads.

Thats because everyone knows Green is well passed his best days and he was brought in by Cameron.

I dont have any ill feelings towards Culpepper, I could'nt care less whether he succeds or fails. But the guy left Miami without proving a single thing or doing anything of note. I dont think that was all down to Culpepper, alot of that was out of his control.

But lets be honest there is a reason why he was cut by a team that would eventually go 1-15, the lowly Oakland Raiders and not get picked up till mid-way through the season by the worst team in the league. Its not all a co-incidence.

dlockz
11-24-2008, 06:29 PM
Thats because everyone knows Green is well passed his best days and he was brought in by Cameron.

I dont have any ill feelings towards Culpepper, I could'nt care less whether he succeds or fails. But the guy left Miami without proving a single thing or doing anything of note. I dont think that was all down to Culpepper, alot of that was out of his control.

But lets be honest there is a reason why he was cut by a team that would eventually go 1-15, the lowly Oakland Raiders and not get picked up till mid-way through the season by the worst team in the league. Its not all a co-incidence.

Not to defend Culpepper but he was cut so Cam could bring in his own guy. As for why he did not get picke up until now, mainly because he turned down other offers that did not invlove any chance to start. Pittsburgh had interest in him. Seriously Im over Culpepper but for people to label him as like the worst qb in the NFL, i guess they have not watched Trent green as of late.

shula_guy
11-25-2008, 01:22 AM
Dlockz your a funny guy. You keep that candle lit for your boy Dauntee. Do you have a book somewhere with all of Dauntees excuses and you just look one up and post it everytime someone has something bad to say about your guy. Daunte's career is over. He cant even hold his starter postion on a winless team.

PhinzN703
11-25-2008, 11:48 AM
people just keep dumping on daunte no matter what happens. Did anyone see the guy that replaced Daunte in Miami play yesterday. Trent green signed a pretty good contract, had a full off season and training camp with the Rama and went out and threw 4 interceptions. for the season he has a passer rating of 41.7 and 0 tds 6 interceptions. I dont see people going around making Trent Green still blows threads.

He stinks too, what's your point?

dreday
11-25-2008, 01:17 PM
Keep the dream alive Lions!


0-16

shula_guy
11-25-2008, 02:32 PM
DLOCKZ

I think it is hypocritical to Complain about how everyones bashing Culpepper when your main line of defense for him is to bash Green. I just dont get the logic in that. If you want to defend Culpepper give us something positive he did for us (other then leaving). Im tired of hearing about he is no worse then Green. I want to hear what single good thing he did for this team. I dont think anyone who dosnt like Culpepper misses Green either. I know immeadiatly that as soon as someone mentions Culpepper in a thread your are going to immeadiatly bring up Green to use as a comparison to justify his tenor here. WHY IS THAT???????????

dlockz
11-25-2008, 03:23 PM
Its simple Green is brought up because thats the guy we replaced him with. When you speak about Brett Favre the next name most people think of is Aaron Rodgers its really that simple.

Name of any Qb that with no training camp, no preseason and not signed until after half the season is over could do much better with that dreadful Lions team.

I have never said Daunte played well for us. When we traded for Daunte most fans knew he would not be ready to start the season and were fine with that and know thats the reason we signed Harrington as an insurance policy. He should have never been named starter at that point and we should have gave him more time, he was not moving at all like he should.
The entire season was a disaster and he not only was not very mobile but we had a pitiful oline which is definately not a tonic for a qb coming off of injury.

The next year we get a new coach who basically trys to jerk Culpepper around as he signs his buddy trent Green who was just as bad as Culpepper was the previous year. I dont blame Culpepper for what happened in his time in Miami, injuries happen and some players never come back from them. The reason Culpepper and green are always linked in Miami is one replaced the other. Both were horrible in Miami, neither played well. Neither was a winner, neither one of them groomed anybody. They were both a waste of a draft pick and time here.

I just think its pure lack of knowledge that some people try to make Culpepper out to be the worst Qb ever. He had three great seasons and Moss or not you cannot take that away. Moss never turned any qb in Oakland into a pro bowler so its a BS excuse.

As bad as Culpepper is now there are other qb's that have played just as bad and worse, and have better teams as well as full training camps around them.

Examples Trent Green 0 tds 6 int 41 qb rating
Brad Johnson 2 tds 5 int 50 qb rating witht the friggin Cowboys
Matt Hasselback 5 tds 9 int 54 rating


All of these qb's had a full training camp and are doing similar. Daunte has never had this low of a rating in his career and Im damn sure that even though he is but a shadow of himself he would have done better with a training camp.


You asked what did Daunte do as a dolphin, I will say not much.

His Stats as a dolphin

Started 4 games . team record with him as qb 1-3. Lost at Pitt by 11, lost to buffalo by 10 and beat Tennessee by 3 as well as lost to Houston by 2 much like we did this year.

Completed 60 percent of his passes 2tds 3 int was sacked 21 times which speaks to his lack of mobility at the time and the poor oline play. Had a 77 Qb rating which is basically mid pack in football not great , not awful. No lost fumbles but did fumble three times which usually happens when you are sacked that many times. He has been a fumbler throughout his career anyway.

Lets check his replacement basically 4 games was injured at begginning of 5th. Completed 60 percent of his passes 5 tds 7 int 72 percent Qb rating.

Team record with green 0-4 we were close in two games and the lost the other two by an average of 17 points. He was sacked only 9 times and fumbled twice not losing any.


Cleo Lemon, John Beck and Joey harrington none were notably better than Culpepper but we dont have this endless bash a thon . Some people are simply mad that they are wrong that Daunte would never start in the NFL again I think. Personally Detroit should have went with stanton since he had been there and Daunte should have signed with Pittsburgh. The funny thing is that early in the game versus the Bucs you could see Daunte doing some good things but Im sure if it stayed that way we would not hear this crap on the board about him.

I personally wanted Drew Brees as our Qb, but I applaud Saban for trying to upgrade qb and wish he would have stayed here so we did not start a whole new plan the next year. I also applaud Cameron for drafting a qb, even if it was the wrong one, because prior to him we refused to draft a qb for some damn reason. Im not a Daunte fan, have no Daunte merchandise but I will give him his proper due. He was mishandled from day one here so how can I blame him for not playing well after such a serious injury. Some player's never make it back to the NFL at all. Daunte was put into a no win situation here that just escalated with the idiotic handling of the next season by our incompetent dumbnamic duo Mueller and Cameron. If you want to hate someone hate on Cam/Mueller the duo that almost put us back in the record books.

Bumpus
11-25-2008, 04:00 PM
Nah, I'll just hate on Daunte.

shula_guy
11-25-2008, 05:18 PM
I dont hate on any of them. Respect for them is another conversation. You have given us nothing positive for anyone to build a case that Dauntee was a good aquistion. In fact you yourself admit that his production on the field here was dismal. You say you excuse Cam for using a draft pick to aquire us a QB, yet you dont excuse him for missing the call on Green. Judging by your posts I think you would conceede the fact that Culpepper was clearly not the answer that Saban thought he would be. I fail to understand why you wont give Cameron the same amount of slack for wanting to go in a new direction that did not include Dauntee. I have often read in your posts that you seem to think that Trent Green was brought in because he was Camron's freind. I think that is a very reasonable postion for him to take. I think it's good to bring in people who share your visions and ideas of what direction you as a team are headed towards. I dont believe that he would of brought Trent in if he did not believe Trent could get the job done. I also dont believe he would of cut ties with Culpepper if he believed Culpepper was on the same page as him and had enough left in him to get the job done. You present it like it was based on personal reasons, when in fact, I would argue that as bad as a choice Green turned out to be for us, we did get him because him and Cam were buddies.

We can all sit here and bash Cam for giving us the very worst record in one season under any headcoach in the history of this franchise, but if you step back and look at the bigger picture. Cam is a sucessfull OC in the NFL. SD sux without him. Baltimore now has an effective offense so far, which is something that team has never been able to boast about, since they moved to Baltimore. The guy was not completly wrong about everything he did here.

You claim Culpepper was jerked around by Cam, I don't see that at all. The only questionable activity I think you can argue is that he did not get practice time in camp. I don't think the team is obligated to give him that but I am unsure about the exact rules regulating that. I think Cam had every right to decide to go in another direction and had every right to hold onto Culpepper and try to recooperate some of what Saban invested in him via draft picks. I understand you feel differently and you think Culpepper was treted unfairly. I'm past arguing that point with you.

In regards to why people hate on him so much. I can easily explain that to you. It is all about Dauntee's personal conduct when he left here. It is the same type of hate that revolves around Wes Welker and Jason Taylor. They left bad mouthing the team as they went, so the fans turned on them. Look at chris Chambers, I dont see any hate threads about him. WHY? Because he left with grace and showed his appriciation as he was escorted out the door. The same holds true with Zach Thomas. And yes it holds true for Trent Green as well. I'm sure KC fans have a different perspective and opinion of him then we do, but he left here gracefully and he is given back the same respect as he showed us.

I know you dont view his return here in an Oakland uniform and pointing to his knee as he scrambled into the end zone as an insult. Some of us however, do not share your view point. First off, he did not turn to the coaches on the sidelines to do that. He did it to the crowd and as far as I am concerned he might as well flipped the crowd the bird. His little knee pointing gesture was just his way of circumventing the NFL's TOS so he did not get fined.

My personal opinion of him is that he is a very bitter and selfish person. I dont hate him, I pity him. I have no respect for him. I dont care how much you have, you cant buy chacter and in that department he is bankrupt. I dont go out of my way to create "Lets bash Dauntee" threads, but I can certainly understand why they exist. Personally I was not thrilled with Saban's choice at the time and did not have high expectations but alot of people did and he let them down. I gave Saban the benefit of the doubt that he knew what he was doing, and it turned out he did not. If you want to point fingers at people, start there.

Saban single handedly set us back years. Cam added to a mess that was already here. Cam does not have the leadership skills needed to be an effective HC. He was not wrong in identifing the need to replace our QB. Cam actually reminds me of a Norv Turner Jr. He is decent with the X's and O's but he has no buiness trying to be the leader of a team. They are both good number 2 guys.

dlockz
11-25-2008, 11:08 PM
i dont excuse Cam for aquiring Green because Green had already lost his hold on the KC job and was coming off an concussed horrible season. If you want to upgrade Qb you dont go looking at 37 year old qb's with declining skills coming off of a concussion. That was beyond stupid. at least with Culpepper you could make the arguement he was younger and proabbly not as likely to have declining skills. I dont generally look at age of qb's but you definately dont trade for an older qb coming off a bad season. Jeff Garcia is an example of an older qb you might look at to improvbe your team based on hi previous season, not a guy who is losing his job to Damon Huard.


As for the knee, we all have opinions I dont see it as a slap he was saying you know what the knee is fine in my opinion, he was telling the fans the coaches gave up on him and he was fine. I dont necessarily agree that was true but that was him. Daunte never once spoke ill of the organization.

I agree that the dolphins have a right to try to get a pick for a player but we have no clue what was told to Daunte prior to the draft(remember even when we aquired green he said Green was going to have to beat him out, why would he say that if he knew he would never get a chance at all.) Even our own GM said he would not evaluate players until they were healthy. Odds are they deceived him. I do find it suspicious that the fins released Daunte before the hearing, so I think they would have lost if not why not prove your damn point. I personally think Cam and Mueller showed just another reason they were the worst combo in dolphin history. I hate Cam Cameron as a coach to the upmost. He has the distinction of being horrible in the NFL and college as a head coach. OC he may be fine but there are alot of people that coordinate real well but suck as coaches.

Again on Cam just because you recognize the need to replace the qb does not make you a genius. Its like saying we need to replace Marty Booker and signing Troy Brown. Big deal you identified a weak spot and did not make a serious attempt to improve it.

X-Pacolypse
11-27-2008, 11:06 PM
Dumbte got pulled in favor of Drew Henson today. Dumbte sucks.

CedarPhin
11-28-2008, 11:54 PM
Dumbte got pulled in favor of Drew Henson today. Dumbte sucks.

Lions are going 0-16 this year.

WVDolphan
11-29-2008, 11:23 AM
Lions are going 0-16 this year.

I almost choked on some green beans when he made that pathetic attempt to elude that rusher and throw back across only to be intercepted by a DLman for a TD. :sidelol: That was hillarious.

Almost as bad as John Beck :lol: attempting a downfield throw only to have the ball spin end over end, straight up in the air and fall into a LBs hands a couple of feet away for an easy Barfallo TD.

What a disgrace those 2 are. Easily the worst two QBs in football today. :lol:

dlockz
11-29-2008, 03:50 PM
I almost choked on some green beans when he made that pathetic attempt to elude that rusher and throw back across only to be intercepted by a DLman for a TD. :sidelol: That was hillarious.

Almost as bad as John Beck :lol: attempting a downfield throw only to have the ball spin end over end, straight up in the air and fall into a LBs hands a couple of feet away for an easy Barfallo TD.

What a disgrace those 2 are. Easily the worst two QBs in football today. :lol:

I say your boy Trent Green is the worst qb in pro football and numbers do bear me out. Seriously with the defense the Lions have and that excuse for a line Jesus Christ would struggle.

No training camp, no preseason, signed at mid season. Yea name me all the qb's that would come in and play well.

CedarPhin
11-29-2008, 05:10 PM
I almost choked on some green beans when he made that pathetic attempt to elude that rusher and throw back across only to be intercepted by a DLman for a TD. :sidelol: That was hillarious.

Almost as bad as John Beck :lol: attempting a downfield throw only to have the ball spin end over end, straight up in the air and fall into a LBs hands a couple of feet away for an easy Barfallo TD.

What a disgrace those 2 are. Easily the worst two QBs in football today. :lol:

Culpepper, no matter how big an idiot he actually is, at least had some success.

He sucks, but Beck is much, much worse.

Dolpfan_72
11-30-2008, 06:03 AM
I say we all go try out for the team. One of us has to be better than this bum.

Jrm_Fin_Fan
12-01-2008, 07:22 PM
whats sad is culpepper is playing better for the lions than he did for us meaning he is throwing touchdowns somthing he didnt do very much for us.

Vaark
12-01-2008, 07:39 PM
Saban screwed up by ignoring Culpecker's piizz poor performance the year he got injured, his first without Randy Moss. I wanted Brees BADLY, but NEVER wanted to settle on Culpecker who already was pegged as dumber than a doorknob and already refusing to rehab in Mpls under the team's supervision.

Sure enough, without a tall gazelle of a receiver and no scrambling ability, having to depend on his wits , the outcome was and has been inevitable. Still even with all that, the blowback on him would be nowhere as adverse as it is, if he would have not gone out of here like the byotch that he is, no matter whether he got a raw deal or not (someone wants to give ME $6million for riding a stationary bike, I'm fine with that). Undermining possible trades by telling suitors to wait, quoting Gandhi and crap like that left a bad taste in everyone's mouth. And let's not even get into his taunting the fans last year during his one aberrent moment of glory.

How some fans can continue to defend is beyond me. A slow-witted, over-the-hill QB lacks the gravitas to be belligerent or a prima dona.

WVDolphan
12-02-2008, 02:28 AM
Saban screwed up by ignoring Culpecker's piizz poor performance the year he got injured, his first without Randy Moss. I wanted Brees BADLY, but NEVER wanted to settle on Culpecker who already was pegged as dumber than a doorknob and already refusing to rehab in Mpls under the team's supervision.

Sure enough, without a tall gazelle of a receiver and no scrambling ability, having to depend on his wits , the outcome was and has been inevitable. Still even with all that, the blowback on him would be nowhere as adverse as it is, if he would have not gone out of here like the byotch that he is, no matter whether he got a raw deal or not (someone wants to give ME $6million for riding a stationary bike, I'm fine with that). Undermining possible trades by telling suitors to wait, quoting Gandhi and crap like that left a bad taste in everyone's mouth. And let's not even get into his taunting the fans last year during his one aberrent moment of glory.

How some fans can continue to defend is beyond me. A slow-witted, over-the-hill QB lacks the gravitas to be belligerent or a prima dona.

Wow. One of the finer post Ive ever seen you make IMHO Vaark. I love reading your stuff when we agree on something.....:lol:. Somehow its much funnier that way.

CedarPhin
12-02-2008, 05:50 AM
Saban screwed up by ignoring Culpecker's piizz poor performance the year he got injured, his first without Randy Moss. I wanted Brees BADLY, but NEVER wanted to settle on Culpecker who already was pegged as dumber than a doorknob and already refusing to rehab in Mpls under the team's supervision.

Sure enough, without a tall gazelle of a receiver and no scrambling ability, having to depend on his wits , the outcome was and has been inevitable. Still even with all that, the blowback on him would be nowhere as adverse as it is, if he would have not gone out of here like the byotch that he is, no matter whether he got a raw deal or not (someone wants to give ME $6million for riding a stationary bike, I'm fine with that). Undermining possible trades by telling suitors to wait, quoting Gandhi and crap like that left a bad taste in everyone's mouth. And let's not even get into his taunting the fans last year during his one aberrent moment of glory.

How some fans can continue to defend is beyond me. A slow-witted, over-the-hill QB lacks the gravitas to be belligerent or a prima dona.

Great post. Almost as good as your sig.

Vaark
12-03-2008, 02:11 PM
More Daunte being Daunte:



Stats say current Lions QB isn't best bet

Among this season's 3 starters, Culpepper ranks the lowest, with Orlovsky at the top.




The Lions have used three starting quarterbacks for four games each. So who has been the best?
Statistically, Dan Orlovsky edges Jon Kitnahttp://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2011/08/magglass_10x10-1.gif (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081203/SPORTS0101/812030329/1126#) as the Lions best quarterback. Current starter Daunte Culpepper is a distant third.
Culpepper has passed for just 566 yards in his four starts and completed just 50.5 percent of his passes. He also has fewer touchdowns (three) and more interceptions (six) than the other two starters.


http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081203/SPORTS0101/812030329/1126

Sure he's "rusty" and thrown into a terrible situation, BUT a low draft pick who doesn't even know where the back of the endzone ends is outperforming him. Cameron may have been the worst Fins HC in a long time, but, even a broken clock is correct 2X a day!

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2008/12/2qi6zk0-1.jpg

dlockz
12-03-2008, 06:23 PM
More Daunte being Daunte:





http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081203/SPORTS0101/812030329/1126

Sure he's "rusty" and thrown into a terrible situation, BUT a low draft pick who doesn't even know where the back of the endzone ends is outperforming him. Cameron may have been the worst Fins HC in a long time, but, even a broken clock is correct 2X a day!

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2008/12/2qi6zk0-1.jpg


I think you are stating this way too simply. Orlovsky has been with the Lions for 4 years and has been the backup at times so I'm sure he knows the offense very well. He was drafted in the 5th round and actually has outperformed jon kitna this season also. So lets not act like he was some guy that just got drafted to detroit and should not be able to run the offense better than a guy that just got with the team. Mark Bulger played much worse this week than Daunte did and he has been with his team for quite a while.


As for Cameron being correct , all he did was replace one overpriced underperforming coming off an injury player with an older overpriced, underperforming coming off an injury player. real friggin genius. Hmm didn't this decision play a part in going from 6-10 to a great 1-15. At least we won a game with daunte lol. Daunte and Trent sucked for us but at least we know Daunte was not 100 percent so what was Green's excuse. One year later neither qb is good but Green makes Culpepper look like an all star with his 6 interception no td season thus far. Thats with a full training camp with a team that was running his offensive system that he is supposed to excel in.
A few excerps from his current coaches
The more he plays and the more practices – the more he does the same things over and over – the more comfortable he’ll get at it,” said Offensive Coordinator Jim Colletto. “You’re talking about a guy that hasn’t had any OTAs, no offseason practice, no two-a-days, nothing. He has practiced six times and has played decently in two games. That’s pretty remarkable.”

Daunte has really been a jolt for us,” said Marinelli. “(It's) not just that he's a talented guy. He can make plays, (but) he’s got a tremendous way with the players in terms of leadership. It’s really good – I mean really good. He’s, I think, helping us bring that offense together, which will also affect our defense.”


and players
“The main thing I’ve noticed from him is leadership,” said cornerback Brian Kelly. “He’s been a big leader for those guys over there on the offense. He’s coming out with a mentality that, ‘Hey, I wasn’t here when it was bad, but I’m here to help it get better.’
“When you watch him on Sunday that’s how he plays. He’s still throwing a good deep ball, (he) still has the big arm, still moving around and seems healthy coming off of the knee injury. I tell him I’m happy to be playing with him. We’ve had a lot of battles going against each other, so it’s good to be out there playing with him on Sunday’s.”

The whole article
http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?document_id=477465

Vaark
12-04-2008, 09:14 AM
I think you are stating this way too simply. Orlovsky has been with the Lions for 4 years and has been the backup at times so I'm sure he knows the offense very well. He was drafted in the 5th round and actually has outperformed jon kitna this season also. So lets not act like he was some guy that just got drafted to detroit and should not be able to run the offense better than a guy that just got with the team. Mark Bulger played much worse this week than Daunte did and he has been with his team for quite a while.


As for Cameron being correct , all he did was replace one overpriced underperforming coming off an injury player with an older overpriced, underperforming coming off an injury player. real friggin genius. Hmm didn't this decision play a part in going from 6-10 to a great 1-15. At least we won a game with daunte lol. Daunte and Trent sucked for us but at least we know Daunte was not 100 percent so what was Green's excuse. One year later neither qb is good but Green makes Culpepper look like an all star with his 6 interception no td season thus far. Thats with a full training camp with a team that was running his offensive system that he is supposed to excel in.
A few excerps from his current coaches
The more he plays and the more practices – the more he does the same things over and over – the more comfortable he’ll get at it,” said Offensive Coordinator Jim Colletto. “You’re talking about a guy that hasn’t had any OTAs, no offseason practice, no two-a-days, nothing. He has practiced six times and has played decently in two games. That’s pretty remarkable.”

Daunte has really been a jolt for us,” said Marinelli. “(It's) not just that he's a talented guy. He can make plays, (but) he’s got a tremendous way with the players in terms of leadership. It’s really good – I mean really good. He’s, I think, helping us bring that offense together, which will also affect our defense.”


and players
“The main thing I’ve noticed from him is leadership,” said cornerback Brian Kelly. “He’s been a big leader for those guys over there on the offense. He’s coming out with a mentality that, ‘Hey, I wasn’t here when it was bad, but I’m here to help it get better.’
“When you watch him on Sunday that’s how he plays. He’s still throwing a good deep ball, (he) still has the big arm, still moving around and seems healthy coming off of the knee injury. I tell him I’m happy to be playing with him. We’ve had a lot of battles going against each other, so it’s good to be out there playing with him on Sunday’s.”

The whole article
http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?document_id=477465


Bottom line:

started 4 games, lost 4 games just like John Beck
50.5% completion rating vs 56.1% for Beck
3 TDs, vs 1 for Beck
6 Interceptions vs 3 for Beck
566 yds vs 559 for Beck
QB Rating: 53.6% vs 62% for Beck
Has Calvin Johnson to throw to vs Marty Booker for Beck

So I'm trying to determine what you're saying??? :unsure::unsure:

Is it that Culpepper has breathed new life into the Lions and exceeded expectations for someone who didn't take a first team snap until 4 games before (sound familiar?)...or that based on your endorsement of Culpepper's current performance, you have to think we gave up too soon on Beck? hmmmmmn

edit: oh fumbles you're gonna say? well yes, Beck had 7 (lost 5) in 4 games vs Culpecker's mere 3 (lost 1) but when you factor in intereceptions and fumbles lost for total turnovers each were responsible for, rookie Beck had 8 and seasoned vet Culpecker had 7. Bottom-line, you can't extol one and downgrade the other when you consider stats in the perspective of total body of work. If you want to talk fumbles, google "culpepper vikings fumbles" and you'll see that was one of his many achilles heels even when going good.

Oh, Daunte's 2005 Vikings rating before injury and without Moss's ability to compensate for his boneheaded plays was 72% and 6TDs in 7 games. This guy is worthless no matter how vociferously you protest!

I don't care what a coach who can't win or the points of view of his players entrenched in stench might say about his "leadership." That resonates as much as Rosie Ruiz (look her up) defending Belichick's ethics.

shula_guy
12-04-2008, 11:37 AM
This guy is worthless no matter how vociferously you protest!





When you are making your point in the future, please dont use words I have to look up. :boohoo:

Vaark
12-04-2008, 01:29 PM
When you are making your point in the future, please dont use words I have to look up. :boohoo:

Guess you think I should have used "clamorously"??? :tongue:...so what's wrong with learning something new??

Now despite yourself, whenever you hear or use that word in the future, there'll be a cognitive association with the blue aardvark, right? :up::up:

shula_guy
12-04-2008, 03:50 PM
Guess you think I should have used "clamorously"??? :tongue:...so what's wrong with learning something new??

Now despite yourself, whenever you hear or use that word in the future, there'll be a cognitive association with the blue aardvark, right? :up::up:





YOU DID IT AGAIN!!!!!!! http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif


:tongue:

dlockz
12-04-2008, 07:47 PM
Bottom line:

started 4 games, lost 4 games just like John Beck
50.5% completion rating vs 56.1% for Beck
3 TDs, vs 1 for Beck
6 Interceptions vs 3 for Beck
566 yds vs 559 for Beck
QB Rating: 53.6% vs 62% for Beck
Has Calvin Johnson to throw to vs Marty Booker for Beck

So I'm trying to determine what you're saying??? :unsure::unsure:

Is it that Culpepper has breathed new life into the Lions and exceeded expectations for someone who didn't take a first team snap until 4 games before (sound familiar?)...or that based on your endorsement of Culpepper's current performance, you have to think we gave up too soon on Beck? hmmmmmn

edit: oh fumbles you're gonna say? well yes, Beck had 7 (lost 5) in 4 games vs Culpecker's mere 3 (lost 1) but when you factor in intereceptions and fumbles lost for total turnovers each were responsible for, rookie Beck had 8 and seasoned vet Culpecker had 7. Bottom-line, you can't extol one and downgrade the other when you consider stats in the perspective of total body of work. If you want to talk fumbles, google "culpepper vikings fumbles" and you'll see that was one of his many achilles heels even when going good.

Oh, Daunte's 2005 Vikings rating before injury and without Moss's ability to compensate for his boneheaded plays was 72% and 6TDs in 7 games. This guy is worthless no matter how vociferously you protest!

I don't care what a coach who can't win or the points of view of his players entrenched in stench might say about his "leadership." That resonates as much as Rosie Ruiz (look her up) defending Belichick's ethics.


Rod Marinelli is not a bad coach, they just should never have hired Millen. The cupbard is bare and they have no depth.

As for the Beck /Culpepper comparing its silly. Beck had a full offseason with the team and did actually practice playing some football as well as plaYing in preseason. Beck still was not good which is expected for a rookie, there was little doubt of what the result would be much like Culpepper in Detroit. Can you imagine how bad Kurt Warner would be with that team even with a training camp. I am under no illusion that Culpepper is a great or even good qb at this point but no qb would do much better with the same situation, exact situation. The funny thing though is no matter how much Culpepper is bashed he keeps finding legitimate work( well somewhat it is the Lions).