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matt11390
01-16-2009, 10:58 AM
With yesterday's announcement that Percy Harvin is entering the draft it got me thinking about the past. Most mock drafts have him going anywhere from 16 to the end of round one. Because there are so many players leaving school early it is possible he could slide to our pick. With that said, he could be a great athlete at the WR position for Miami. He has the speed and quickness...and he could be utilized immensley in any wildcat formations Miami could run...he has great running ability and explosiveness as well.

If we drafted him it would be similar to the trio Marino had early in his career. That trio was of course Duper, Clayton, and Moore. Chad P would have Harvin, Ginn, and Bess...with London and Greg C coming off the bench. That receiving core along with Ronnie and Ricky and Fasano and Martin would provide our offense with a load of skilled talent...not to mention they are all young and hungry.

I know many of you are going to say we need other areas before WR and I don't disagree because we need much still. But just remember, our OL will have Donald Thomas back and Smiley back so we have a good nucleus there. The decision makers will have to decide if they want to keep Carey and Satele in place. We have a few good backups on the OL so our offense is close.

With Harvin I thing our offense could become explosive. Those three of Harvin, Ginn, and Bess would be small but speedy and elusive, kind of like the trio in Marino's day. I think Harvin would be a great asset.

FinaticalOne
01-16-2009, 11:05 AM
I don't agree with a WR in the first. We still have to focus on OL or DL in the first. I like the prospects BJ Raji, Ron Brace, or an OG like Duke Robinson. Although I'm not in favor of drafting a center in the late first round, Alex Mack is supposed to be the best center to come along in a very long time and he could help stabalize the o-line too.

We should wait till the second round and draft Hakeem Nicks with our first second round pick.

emeraldfin
01-16-2009, 11:12 AM
After the FO decided not to draft a WR last season, when our WR corps was alot worse, I would be shocked if they drafted a WR before the 4th. I would'nt surprise me if they did'nt draft a WR at all.

FinaticalOne
01-16-2009, 11:21 AM
After the FO decided not to draft a WR last season, when our WR corps was alot worse, I would be shocked if they drafted a WR before the 4th. I would'nt surprise me if they did'nt draft a WR at all.

You have to consider the fact, they believe they didn't have to draft a WR last year because they were banking on the Ernest Wilford signing to work out for us. We are very thin at the position, and if they lost faith in Wilford, expect something to happen there.

SQuinn17
01-16-2009, 11:24 AM
terrance cody, alphonso smith or a lb. no to harvin, gets hurt too much and we already have a fast guy like that in ginn. we need a big possession receiver.

Chainsaw
01-16-2009, 11:31 AM
I agree that adding Percy would be awesome. But, I also agree that the FO is not likely to go get him in the first round. I see them going defense in the first round and WR later.

Dolfan3773
01-16-2009, 11:58 AM
I wouldnt take a WR in the first, but it would be hard to pass on Michael Crabtree if he was there ( i know he wont be)

JimToss
01-16-2009, 12:11 PM
Harvin is just plain not a good fit for many reasons.

1) We just plain have too many needs to address before WR.
2) He is very injury prone, and I am not sure he has the body to play in the NFL.
3) He is entirely to similar to Ginn. He is a burner, and stands only 5'11. He need a big target with great hands. Speaking of hands I don't think he is as surhanded as a team would like.
4) I don't believe he runs the most crisp routes. Like Ginn, he has always been able to run away from anyone in college and routes are not refined.
5) I think he has decent potential but do not think he will be able to step right into an NFL offense. We would need him to step up now if he was our 1st rounder.

I think even if Percy is still around at our pick, I sitll think we pass for more pressing needs.

emeraldfin
01-16-2009, 12:33 PM
You have to consider the fact, they believe they didn't have to draft a WR last year because they were banking on the Ernest Wilford signing to work out for us. We are very thin at the position, and if they lost faith in Wilford, expect something to happen there.

I dunno about that. I mean when the FO signed Wilford he was never anymore than a 3rd WR. Then you had Ginn coming off a very average season. Under that you had another unproven player in Hagan, and then the little known Greg Camarillo whos only claim to fame at the time was his TD vs Baltimore.

This season we go into the draft with two very good posession recievers in Bess and Camarillo. Ginn is also coming off a very good season (IMO). London is a very good blocker but un-proven and raw.

IMO I think we are in better shape at the WR position than we were last year. Only piece we are missing is a solid big physical reciever. I really like Ramses Barden from Cal-Poly but I really do hope he is still there at the 4th as I dont see us going WR in the frst three rounds.

outlawd2u
01-16-2009, 01:04 PM
With the Phins needing everything except QB, and RB's I just hope they take BPA no matter what position it is when they pick. Those of you who think we don't need a WR are kidding yourselves, we may have bigger areas of need but we are far from set at WR IMO. If Harvin is the best player on the board when we pick I hope they take him, if it's a LB, OL, DT, MLB, OLB, CB, S then that's what they should take. Also Harvin is actually a physical WR despite his height, but have any of you actually seen this guys physique? The kid is built, and he can break tackles or run people over, something Ginn will never do. I'm not saying he will ever be that good but he has the potential to be another Steve Smith or Anquan Boldin.

C-HUCKS
01-16-2009, 01:07 PM
After the FO decided not to draft a WR last season, when our WR corps was alot worse, I would be shocked if they drafted a WR before the 4th. I would'nt surprise me if they did'nt draft a WR at all.

The reason we did not draft a wr last year was because Parcells said that he was building this team from from the lines first. In last years draft we had so many needs every position could not have been adressed in the draft. That is why I think we will draft a WR and secondary help in the early rounds. I would like to see us draft Nicks with one of our 2nd round picks. I don't see Harvin in a fins uniform at all.

X-Pacolypse
01-16-2009, 01:29 PM
I'm loving me some Percy

Why?

ZILLA
01-16-2009, 01:52 PM
nooooooooo

CedarPhin
01-16-2009, 02:14 PM
I'm just not too big of a fan of Percy Harvin. Reminds me of a more fragile Ted Ginn.

I'd rather have a guy like Nicks/Heyward-Bey/Britt

I hope we get Sintim in the 1st round though, he's going to be a stud.

miabrown23
01-16-2009, 02:30 PM
i wouldnt mind if we could get patrick turner in round 4. not sure if he lasts that long i dont know were scouts have him going in the draft.

jim1
01-16-2009, 05:23 PM
I'm just not too big of a fan of Percy Harvin. Reminds me of a more fragile Ted Ginn.

I'd rather have a guy like Nicks/Heyward-Bey/Britt

I hope we get Sintim in the 1st round though, he's going to be a stud.

He's got an injury history, but this ain't no Ted Ginn:

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2009/01/339525682_sAY9FL-1.jpg

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2009/01/339530221_awj2MM-1.jpg

The dude is a solid 200 lbs. and benches 405. I'd rather have Harvin than 2 Ted Ginns. Harvin's quickness/1st step are lethal- although Ginn has a great 2nd gear, just watch his punt returns and you can see that he absolutely lacks for quickness. He's a long strider, doesn't have the quicks.

EJay
01-16-2009, 05:48 PM
He's got an injury history, but this ain't no Ted Ginn. The dude is a solid 200 lbs. and benches 405. I'd rather have Harvin than 2 Ted Ginns. Harvin's quickness/1st step are lethal- although Ginn has a great 2nd gear, just watch his punt returns and you can see that he absolutely lacks for quickness. He's a long strider, doesn't have the quicks.

It's good news for the Dolphins that you aren't in charge of their draft.

You'd rather have Percy Harvin over 2 Ted Ginn's? That statement makes more sense in reverse. Two Harvin's MIGHT play in the same number of games per season as TGJ.

Ginn was a better player than Harvin in college. Was nowhere near as injury prone (never really got hurt until his final game in college) and, despite his frailty (according to most), he hasn't missed a game due to injury during 2 seasons in the NFL.

Sorry, I'll take the player that is seemingly ready to break out during his 3rd season AND isn't injury prone.

Harvin will NOT go 2 seasons without a significant injury as TGJ has. Bookmark it.

A lot of good that solid 200 pounds and impressive bench press is doing for him.

dlockz
01-16-2009, 06:07 PM
It's good news for the Dolphins that you aren't in charge of their draft.

You'd rather have Percy Harvin over 2 Ted Ginn's? That statement makes more sense in reverse. Two Harvin's MIGHT play in the same number of games per season as TGJ.

Ginn was a better player than Harvin in college. Was nowhere near as injury prone (never really got hurt until his final game in college) and, despite his frailty (according to most), he hasn't missed a game due to injury during 2 seasons in the NFL.

Sorry, I'll take the player that is seemingly ready to break out during his 3rd season AND isn't injury prone.

Harvin will NOT go 2 seasons without a significant injury as TGJ has. Bookmark it.

A lot of good that solid 200 pounds and impressive bench press is doing for him.


He is better than Ginn when healthy but this is rarely

jim1
01-16-2009, 06:11 PM
It's good news for the Dolphins that you aren't in charge of their draft.

You'd rather have Percy Harvin over 2 Ted Ginn's? That statement makes more sense in reverse. Two Harvin's MIGHT play in the same number of games per season as TGJ.

Ginn was a better player than Harvin in college. Was nowhere near as injury prone (never really got hurt until his final game in college) and, despite his frailty (according to most), he hasn't missed a game due to injury during 2 seasons in the NFL.

Sorry, I'll take the player that is seemingly ready to break out during his 3rd season AND isn't injury prone.

Harvin will NOT go 2 seasons without a significant injury as TGJ has. Bookmark it.

A lot of good that solid 200 pounds and impressive bench press is doing for him.

You're entitled to your opinion. Time will tell, we'll see what Harvin does in the NFL. I put this in a different post- yesterday Bob Griese said that Harvin is a special, Reggie Bush type of talent and should go in the top 5 of the draft- his words, not mine. Gin is ok, getting better, but will probably never be a tru #1 WR IMO. He's just not a go to guy. To be fair about it, Hakeem Nicks seems to fit the #1 WR bill more than either of them and I would love to have him. Nonetheless, I think that Harvin is a special talent, and Ginn is not.

X-Pacolypse
01-16-2009, 06:14 PM
A lot of good that solid 200 pounds and impressive bench press is doing for him.

I know. You would think that a guy who has the build of Harvin wouldn't be as soft as he is.

X-Pacolypse
01-16-2009, 06:17 PM
You're entitled to your opinion. Time will tell, we'll see what Harvin does in the NFL. I put this in a different post- yesterday Bob Griese said that Harvin is a special, Reggie Bush type of talent and should go in the top 5 of the draft- his words, not mine. Gin is ok, getting better, but will probably never be a tru #1 WR IMO. He's just not a go to guy. To be fair about it, Hakeem Nicks seems to fit the #1 WR bill more than either of them and I would love to have him. Nonetheless, I think that Harvin is a special talent, and Ginn is not.

Reggie Bush? For all the hype Bush got, he certainly hasn't shown people that he's the second coming of Gayle Sayers that many thought he would be. Harvin would be a disappointment to any team that drafts him that high.

jim1
01-16-2009, 10:28 PM
Reggie Bush? For all the hype Bush got, he certainly hasn't shown people that he's the second coming of Gayle Sayers that many thought he would be. Harvin would be a disappointment to any team that drafts him that high.

I would take Reggie Bush, or Harvin, over Ginn in a heartbeat. It's not that I completely dislike Ginn, I just don't view him as a top notch talent. Hopefully he proves me wrong next year- he sure did make progress this year.

matt11390
01-16-2009, 10:51 PM
I was reading an article about him in my local sports page. I live in his hometown and they did a nice two page write up on him the day after he declared. They covered those pros and cons. He does have a reputation among some scouts that he is injury prone. However, his college coach at Florida said he is the most talented football player he has ever coached. That's a big compliment coming from a guy like Urban Meyer.

Some of you have stated we need a bigger WR like Nicks. I love Nicks also and the Tar heels are my favorite college and I would jump for joy if we drafted Nicks. But, there is something about the trio of Duper, Clayton, and Moore that tells me Harvin, Ginn, and Bess would by dynamite in today's game. Those guys were short but quick and elusive. Can you imagine a defense gaming on how to stop the likes of Harvin, Ginn, and Bess? Their skills would create nightmares for defenses.

Harvin or Nicks would be great.:)

2413fanphins
01-17-2009, 12:16 AM
I also would rather opt for the BIG STRONG PHYSICAL dominate WR.

the chances of us landing one at 25.... not good. thereafter... even worse.

only one way to fix that, and that is trade for one.

I wish andre johnson was a free agent. I would love him on this team. can we clone him?

jim1
01-17-2009, 12:27 AM
I also would rather opt for the BIG STRONG PHYSICAL dominate WR.

the chances of us landing one at 25.... not good. thereafter... even worse.

only one way to fix that, and that is trade for one.

I wish andre johnson was a free agent. I would love him on this team. can we clone him?

No, but we did sign Todd Lowber to the PS- his physical skills are extraordinary- runs in the 4.3 range, can jump through the roof, has quicks and goes about 6-3, 205. The problem is translating that ability into production on the football field- I saw him on the Cowboys HBO show- looks like he has soft hands, I'm curious as to what he can do. Antother possibility is the guy who declared from LSU- apparently very talented and about 6-3, 215 I believe. I don't recall seeing him play- here's his page on NFLDC and you can access his bio fromthere:

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/Brandon-LaFell.php

2413fanphins
01-17-2009, 10:16 AM
theres a reason bob griese isn't a hot commodity in anybodys war room either. IT's just one mans opinion.
It's a different game from when duper and clayton were running around. EVERYBODY is bigger and stronger... For the most part smaller receivers aren't deep threats. of course you have the steve smiths of the league, but you can count the number of them on one hand.

smaller receivers ala... wes welker and davone bess are making there money on the short quick crossing routes and slants and in routes.
when you get to the redzone you try to utilize height and size to score the TD. corners are more physical. I don't see how percy harvin fits on this team, and I highly doubt you will see him on this team.
I wholeheartedly disagree he will go in the top five of the draft.

lafell is very intriguing, but I need to do more research. thanks for the link jim!!!!

jim1
01-17-2009, 11:12 AM
theres a reason bob griese isn't a hot commodity in anybodys war room either. IT's just one mans opinion.
It's a different game from when duper and clayton were running around. EVERYBODY is bigger and stronger... For the most part smaller receivers aren't deep threats. of course you have the steve smiths of the league, but you can count the number of them on one hand.

smaller receivers ala... wes welker and davone bess are making there money on the short quick crossing routes and slants and in routes.
when you get to the redzone you try to utilize height and size to score the TD. corners are more physical. I don't see how percy harvin fits on this team, and I highly doubt you will see him on this team.
I wholeheartedly disagree he will go in the top five of the draft.

lafell is very intriguing, but I need to do more research. thanks for the link jim!!!!

You're very welcome. Check out Todd Lowber if you get the chance- if what I heard and saw is correct, at 6-3, 205 he's one of the fastest guys in the NFL. I think that Hakeem Nicks and Kenny Britt are very intriguing, and maybe Brandon Tate, too. Percy Harvin- yeah he's only 5-11, but the guy's speed and quicks are amazing. I don't think that he'll last until #25 anyway. Personally, I think that if we could get Max Unger or Alex Mack, and then get Hakeem Nicks- that would be fantastic.

matt11390
01-17-2009, 11:15 AM
You mentioned Steve Smith and how infrequently that kind of WR comes along. Percy Harvin is in that mold. He is quick and fast. Yet he is also strong and built. Outside his injuries concerns he is a young Steve Smith in the making. I read an article quoting one NFL scout comparing him to Steve Smith so even some of the NFL guys are seeing that. I think if you put Harvin on one side of the offense, Ginn on the other, and Bess in the slot, the field would open up for many big plays...not to mention open defenses more so our running game would improve.

Chainsaw
01-17-2009, 11:39 AM
You mentioned Steve Smith and how infrequently that kind of WR comes along. Percy Harvin is in that mold. He is quick and fast. Yet he is also strong and built. Outside his injuries concerns he is a young Steve Smith in the making. I read an article quoting one NFL scout comparing him to Steve Smith so even some of the NFL guys are seeing that. I think if you put Harvin on one side of the offense, Ginn on the other, and Bess in the slot, the field would open up for many big plays...not to mention open defenses more so our running game would improve.


Agreed. Harvin is actually stronger than Steve Smith I think. He might even be quicker. Harvin is likely to be there at 25 as well. Most mocks have Crabtree, Maclin and probably Heyward-Bey going before Harvin.

I only see Maclin as a guy I would want over Harvin.

Harvin will do what Smith does in the NFL I believe.

And Harvin's injuries are I believe because he plays too much RB for his size. He is big for a WR but, a very small RB. He won't be in the backfield on Sundays. So, he is likely to stay much healthier.

If we get a guy like him AND a big possesion guy like Collie or Barden later in the draft, we would have Harvin, Ginn and Collie in 3 WR sets. THAT would be unstoppable in a few years or maybe even in 2009.

But, we won't be drafting a WR in the first round. I just can't see Parcells allowing that.

#1dolphinsfan
01-17-2009, 12:40 PM
if we can get him with out 2b then sure i would take him he is a good player

2413fanphins
01-17-2009, 01:00 PM
so the scouts have maclin, heyward-bey and crabtree rated higher than a guy who they think is the next coming of steve smith.

that makes little to no sense. who do the other receivers remind them of than. If I thought as a scout, I had a guy who was the next steve smith, I can't believe he would be the fourth rated receiver on my scouts list.

just trying to make some sense here.

WE need a BIG TALL physical guy. not another sub six footer. if it's not in this draft or a Free agent. maybe it's in next years draft.

skipp2myloo13
01-17-2009, 01:07 PM
we dont need a reciever, nevermnd a terrible hurt overrated recievier in the first round

Chainsaw
01-17-2009, 01:22 PM
so the scouts have maclin, heyward-bey and crabtree rated higher than a guy who they think is the next coming of steve smith.

that makes little to no sense. who do the other receivers remind them of than. If I thought as a scout, I had a guy who was the next steve smith, I can't believe he would be the fourth rated receiver on my scouts list.

just trying to make some sense here.

WE need a BIG TALL physical guy. not another sub six footer. if it's not in this draft or a Free agent. maybe it's in next years draft.

Maclin is a big time playmaker and is more polished as a WR than Harvin as is Crabtree. Heyward-Bey has a lethal size speed combo.

I also think that Harvin's injuries has put him down on the list some as well.

But, we are only talking about guys opinions who are putting out the mocks anyway. We never TRULY know what the scouts are thinking until draft day.

So, Harvin could wind up being the first WR taken OR he could fall to the second or third round depending on what the scouts think.

Personally, I think he goes in the first round somewhere after Maclin and before Heyward-Bey.

Beasley
01-17-2009, 01:28 PM
Aaron Kelly......

LtDan
01-17-2009, 02:08 PM
With yesterday's announcement that Percy Harvin is entering the draft it got me thinking about the past. Most mock drafts have him going anywhere from 16 to the end of round one. Because there are so many players leaving school early it is possible he could slide to our pick. With that said, he could be a great athlete at the WR position for Miami. He has the speed and quickness...and he could be utilized immensley in any wildcat formations Miami could run...he has great running ability and explosiveness as well.

If we drafted him it would be similar to the trio Marino had early in his career. That trio was of course Duper, Clayton, and Moore. Chad P would have Harvin, Ginn, and Bess...with London and Greg C coming off the bench. That receiving core along with Ronnie and Ricky and Fasano and Martin would provide our offense with a load of skilled talent...not to mention they are all young and hungry.

I know many of you are going to say we need other areas before WR and I don't disagree because we need much still. But just remember, our OL will have Donald Thomas back and Smiley back so we have a good nucleus there. The decision makers will have to decide if they want to keep Carey and Satele in place. We have a few good backups on the OL so our offense is close.

With Harvin I thing our offense could become explosive. Those three of Harvin, Ginn, and Bess would be small but speedy and elusive, kind of like the trio in Marino's day. I think Harvin would be a great asset.
no thanks

matt11390
01-17-2009, 04:06 PM
We may already have that big receiver on the roster in London. He is raw but as the season ended he began to step up. He is tall, fast, young, and teachable.

2413fanphins
01-17-2009, 05:03 PM
We may already have that big receiver on the roster in London. He is raw but as the season ended he began to step up. He is tall, fast, young, and teachable.



it remains to be seen, but this could very well be true.

BARF
01-17-2009, 05:11 PM
another 5'11 wr are u out of your mind we go other holes in our team, i would rather find another devon bess, undrafted, gritty, and hardworking, u do not want to tie up that much money into the wr's

jim1
01-17-2009, 06:17 PM
another 5'11 wr are u out of your mind we go other holes in our team, i would rather find another devon bess, undrafted, gritty, and hardworking, u do not want to tie up that much money into the wr's

The offense has some serious problems. Getting Smiley/Thomas back will help greatly- if Harvin is there, I'm against the grain in thinking that we'll consider him. Alex Mack, Max Unger and Hakeem Nicks have my attention. We may have to go RT if Carey isn't retained.