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ckparrothead
01-16-2009, 05:12 PM
Player: Jarron Gilbert

Year: Senior
School: San Jose State
Position: DE/DT
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 287 lbs.
Age: 22
Arm Length: 35 5/8ths inches
Hand Size: 10 1/4 inches

Career Stats: 145 Tackles, 42.0 TFLs, 21.5 Sacks, 15 Passes Defensed, 3 Forced Fumbles
2008 Stats: 52 Tackles, 22.0 TFLs, 9.5 Sacks, 3 Passes Defensed, 2 Forced Fumbles
2007 Stats: 49 Tackles, 7.5 TFLs, 4.0 Sacks, 4 Passes Defensed, 1 Forced Fumble
*Stats provided by NFL Draft Scout (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/)

Most Unique Attribute: Burst
Areas For Improvement: Weight, Ball Skills

Projected Round: 1st

My Take: I feel like I am late to the party on Mr. Gilbert, but I can't feel too bad about it because it seems like everyone is late on him. I only started looking into him this last Monday, and I've been nattering on about him, like a teenage girl, ever since. The thing I should get out of the way is, I caught onto him by simply reading some reviews of Monday's Shrine Game practices. The bottom line is, sometimes a guy that plays for little ole San Jose State slips under the radar and you don't generally get to see them on television as much.

Every year I like to try and skim the Shrine practice reviews and see if I can catch wind of the next Marques Colston or Brandon Marshall (Hula Bowl). There seemed to be a near consensus, even on the first day of Shrine practices, that Jarron Gilbert was dominating the practices. So, you take a look at some stats, dig into his background, see if you can find some video, and go from there as best you can.

The stats are rather unearthly. This is a guy that played Defensive Tackle all year long and he accumulated 22.0 tackles for loss. Patriots fans creamed themselves about Shawn Crable's 28.5 tackles for loss in 2007, but Crable played a hybrid outside pass rush position specifically designed to put him in position to make those plays behind the line of scrimmage. It's a different story when you go from a down defensive end as a junior, accumulating only 7.5 tackles for loss, to a straight up 3-Technique Defensive Tackle as a senior with 22.0 tackles for loss.

I was going to have to just wait to see him in the Shrine Game this weekend, or wait until he gets brought up to the Senior Bowl next week (trust me, he'll get brought up), but luckily someone close to him has a habit of cutting up some quality highlight films, as well as videos of other impressive accomplishments, and posting them on the series of tubes known as the interwebs. There are four videos of him out there, and I had a lot of fun watching all four of them. One amazing video is of him crouching down under water in the 3 foot shallow section of a hotel swimming pool, then exploding upward and jumping clean out of the pool and onto the deck, landing on his feet. Talk about explosion. Another video is of him squatting 635 lbs. Yowsa. The video also has still shots of him dead lifting 655 lbs. Double yowsa.

The real good stuff was in his Junior and Senior highlight films. I watched them in progression, just to see how he came along from one year to another. What I saw made me think this unknown that had been pegged for a mid-Day 2 prospect, is actually a 1st rounder waiting to happen.

The first thing that jumps out at you is his burst. That's something you might suspect when you see a 280-290 pound man jump clean out of a swimming pool. There are two ways you really see that in the highlights, though. One is his get-up, going from his stance to having his opponents trying to dig their way out of a hole only two-steps into his rush. Sometimes it doesn't look fair. But the other thing that I really like, probably even more, is his standing acceleration, or rather the way he closes on the football. Once you've made it through the trash in the trenches, your standing acceleration is going to guide how effective you'll be at influencing the play. If you're not able to close fast enough, the quarterback may Dan Marino you and your pass rush will have been all for naught. Or even worse, he could Michael Vick you and make you look the fool. Size and arm length plays into this as well, as a larger guy closing on the football tends to throw up more panic signs than a smaller guy. Anyway, one thing that truly does stand out about Gilbert is his suddenness to the football. It looks pretty violent, and violent is good.

But really, when I'm trying to figure out what is unique about him, what I wanted to point out is how complete his profile looks (to me). He's got excellent burst, long arms, great upper and lower body strength, ideal height, ideal production, and as far as I know he hasn't killed anybody.

His hand use is tremendous, and he regularly displays a variety of pass rush moves. I haven't seen him play full games yet, but with a full set of tools in his tool box, you can imagine him setting up his opponents early in the game for different moves later on. He puts on a quality spin move that should be effective against interior OLs. He has a swim move that sees him regularly on the quarterback's hip before he can even execute a handoff (Anyone remember Tecmo Super Bowl? Think Bruce Smith). If he gets worked to the outside, he uses his hands to rip the offensive lineman away and get back into the play, displaying good motor a number of times on extended action. He makes plays against both the run and the pass. He shows the ability to keep offensive linemen away from his body. I like his lateral speed, he is able to outrun offensive linemen to the outside and beat them around the corner. He should be excellent at stunts.

At some point, you're left wondering...what haven't I seen this guy do really well? Normally when you're looking at a guy's highlights, you're seeing maybe 2 or 3 minutes worth of choice plays. His highlights run more like 9 or 10 minutes. The volume itself is impressive, not a lot of guys make this many physically dominant and impressive plays.

Who does he remind me of? I kept thinking something between a La'Roi Glover, Kevin Williams or Tommie Harris. Or perhaps Luis Castillo...without the steroids (I think)...

What are they saying about him? Without providing more of the quotes, since I started looking into him on Monday he's not disappointed at the subsequent Shrine practices. In fact, pretty much every single source that has discussed players at the Shrine practices, has mentioned that Jarron Gilbert is dominating. Most of them have him as the most impressive player there, although Jamon Meredith is coming up very strong as well. Most recently, San Francisco area scout Todd Brunner has given him some glowing comments.

What does it mean for Miami? Well, you have to admit...this staff is full of suckers for exactly this type of player, starting all the way at the top with Bill Parcells. He doesn't seem to even care how many of these guys he already has. If he sees one, he wants him. So, whether we have Langford, Merling and Starks here or not, when a guy comes out flashing the skills that Gilbert has, and if he somehow, some way manages to remain so grossly underrated all the way until the end of April (which I severely doubt), then he has to be on radar. We don't know that any of those three players (Langford, Merling, Starks) is more than a run stopper. Merling and Langford were pegged by many as exactly that, coming out, and neither displayed great pass rush skills during their rookie seasons (I know, I know, give them time). Gilbert has the size, strength, burst and hand use to be a dominant pass rusher as a 3-4 DE.

Plus, any of you familiar with our following of Phil Merling a year ago knows that many of us considered him a very strong chase player and thought that he could eventually move to outside linebacker in this heavy scheme that sees Matt Roth playing that spot. I know that seems less likely now, given all the extra chunk that Merling seemed to stuff into his gut and his butt during the season, but the fact of the matter is if the coaches didn't agree with that assessment of Merling as a potential chase player they would not have had Merling playing outside linebacker for entire games during the preseason (surprisingly few people noticed that, too).

All I'm saying is that, between Merling's flexibility, and Vonnie Holliday's age/contract, Miami has the flexibility to grab the best player they can get their hands on at various stages of the draft even if it means adding yet another DE/DT type. And if he somehow got to the 2nd round, this one might be too good to pass up.

Of course I could be way off. As my friend and colleague Boomer says many a time, I'm just a guy on the internet.

Phinacious
01-16-2009, 05:39 PM
dude is off the chains, sign us up

phinfan33
01-16-2009, 05:42 PM
first of all...where ya been CK? good to see you posting again...secondly...i've never heard of this guy,but then again,like you said...who really follows San Jose State...having read all that,i'll definitely look this guy up and do some research...great post btw...

RoninFin4
01-16-2009, 05:45 PM
CK, Gilbert's videos on youtube? ***Nevermind - I've found them.***

BTW, it might just be me, but I thought Merling looked a little smaller by season's end as compared to how he looked in training camp. Count me as one who is interested in seeing if he can slim down a little and eventually play some OLB.

A few more prospects and San Jose State will be turning into the new Troy. First Dwight Lowery, now Jarron Gilbert.

X-Pacolypse
01-16-2009, 05:47 PM
CK, Gilbert's videos on youtube? ***Nevermind - I've found them.***

BTW, it might just be me, but I thought Merling looked a little smaller by season's end as compared to how he looked in training camp. Count me as one who is interested in seeing if he can slim down a little and eventually play some OLB.

A few more prospects and San Jose State will be turning into the new Troy. First Dwight Lowery, now Jarron Gilbert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXDSPbZ_OUw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAqc85MT_-0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK_SxTr4jZs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHoBtyuof_A&feature=related

RoninFin4
01-16-2009, 06:03 PM
Impressive stuff from Gilbert. He's a very lean looking 287. Reminds me almost of Kendall Langford's build from last year.

CK, are you still of the thought that Merling might still make a move to OLB? I know your response to my PM prior to the season went along the lines of you thinking it might be in the cards eventually.

ckparrothead
01-16-2009, 06:14 PM
With respect to Merling, I think it's still an open-ended option. They had him play entire games at OLB during the preseason, that was not by accident. He definitely looked chunkier to most of the people I've spoken to about it, by the end of the season...but he had to deal with a hernia surgery last off season and this time he'll have a whole off season to try and lean up a bit. Who knows? I would imagine nothing is imminent while they have Matt Roth here.

JT-forpresident
01-16-2009, 06:42 PM
With respect to Merling, I think it's still an open-ended option. They had him play entire games at OLB during the preseason, that was not by accident. He definitely looked chunkier to most of the people I've spoken to about it, by the end of the season...but he had to deal with a hernia surgery last off season and this time he'll have a whole off season to try and lean up a bit. Who knows? I would imagine nothing is imminent while they have Matt Roth here.

nice to see you again mate, nice find on gilbert he really looks like the real deal... he faced some average players out there so i'm cautious, but the senior bowl and the combine will be good indicators on his chances to be a badass in the nfl



speaking of the OLB position, it seems like we share the same thought on roth ... one last year on his contract and he's a capable starter... i'm just assuming that that's what you think with your last comment i bolded... if that's trully the way you feel, who's your first rounder as of now ? you were high on hardy but he's staying in school... is sintim still your prediction ?

thejetssuck
01-16-2009, 06:44 PM
CK is back!:woot:

Great write up by the way! Miami needs all the pass rush help it can get. Can you imagine what this season would have been like if Porter went down for the year early on in the season? There is NO WAY we would have made the playoffs. Looking forward to more of your write-ups as I am sure we all are.:up:

ZILLA
01-16-2009, 06:57 PM
excellent

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2009/01/MrBurns-1.gif

DOC33
01-16-2009, 07:37 PM
nice to see you again mate, nice find on gilbert he really looks like the real deal... he faced some average players out there so i'm cautious, but the senior bowl and the combine will be good indicators on his chances to be a badass in the nfl



speaking of the OLB position, it seems like we share the same thought on roth ... one last year on his contract and he's a capable starter... i'm just assuming that that's what you think with your last comment i bolded... if that's trully the way you feel, who's your first rounder as of now ? you were high on hardy but he's staying in school... is sintim still your prediction ?

He has played against some better players than you think. In fact for someone that has some time you might look up his game against Boise St. in his jr season. He would have faced off against Ryan Clady in that game and he played against Nebraska this year. I saw him against New Mexico State this year and he completely dominated that game. I believe he had 6-7 TFL in that game alone. IMO I think he is better suited for a strongside DE in a 4-3 or a DT in a Tampa -2 scheme although he could grow into a 3-4 DE. In everything that I have seen of him he usually beats his guy with his quickness off the snap rather than power even though I do believe that he is plenty strong, I am not certain that he currently could handle the gap control that most 3-4 teams imploy. Kind of Justin Tuckish in my view.

ckparrothead
01-16-2009, 09:14 PM
CK is back!:woot:

Great write up by the way! Miami needs all the pass rush help it can get. Can you imagine what this season would have been like if Porter went down for the year early on in the season? There is NO WAY we would have made the playoffs. Looking forward to more of your write-ups as I am sure we all are.:up:

Thanks for havin me! Got your message on FB too, thanks.

And by the way that's the most awesome sig I've ever seen here. Freaking love that movie.

phinfan33
01-16-2009, 09:49 PM
Hey X...thanks for posting those Youtube links...that kid gets in the opposing teams backfield for the Sack or TFL with a quickness,and if he can bring that to the NFL...well,i'll just say that i damn sure would love to see him doing that for us in a Phins uniform...Welcome Back CK!!!!

skinstill
01-16-2009, 10:44 PM
I gotta say now that its been mentioned, it really does remind me that we need more pass rush from our DE's, so possibly drafting Gilbert does make sense, especially if merling makes the transition to OLB oppisite Porter and also because we may not have Holliday for much longer.

Gilbert/Langford/Starks/possibly Merling would be a great rotation at DE for quite a few years.

I dont think we can count on Merling to make the OLB transition for sure but it would be great since it would alleviate our obvious immediate need opposite of Porter, we would still probably draft an OLB to be porters eventual replacement.

I dont think its wise to scoff the idea of Roth moving to ILB since that move would cover for Roths overrall limited athletisicm and maximize his good run support, personally i think Roth could be a star at ILB.

With all that said i still think aquiring a a huge dominant NT should be the main focus for our D this offseason, since getting that type of NT will open things up for our supposedly "mediocre" ILB's.

ginn and juice
01-17-2009, 05:48 PM
I was looking at college football stats a couple weeks ago and came across his name. Searched for some video, and man was I impressed. Every draft site had him going in the mid rounds, but I feel there's no way he lasts past the 2nd round. Would love to have him.

MiamiDolphins34
01-17-2009, 06:49 PM
Someone show Parcells this kid's vids.

SamIam
01-17-2009, 06:58 PM
Someone show Parcells this kid's vids.

he is looking at them as we speak :D

MiamiDolphins34
01-17-2009, 07:05 PM
he is looking at them as we speak :D

I hope so.Is that you Bill?:D

cheyannefan
01-17-2009, 08:12 PM
One thing that I noticed right off the bat from watcing videos of him on youtube is that a lot of the plays that he made were against some pretty good schools. He was making plays against Arizona St., Boise St., Nebraska, Kansas St., etc. Those schools have some pretty good O-Lines, so the argument cannot be made that he played against inferior talent.

dolfan91
01-17-2009, 08:20 PM
CK... i think he got hurt in the shrine allstar game... i saw him in the 1st quarter than he limped off the field... didn't notice him the rest of the game... do you what happened?

ckparrothead
01-17-2009, 09:05 PM
CK... i think he got hurt in the shrine allstar game... i saw him in the 1st quarter than he limped off the field... didn't notice him the rest of the game... do you what happened?

Don't know, but I'm disappointed. He was a handful for offensive linemen before he got hurt but he took a shot to the ankle just at the start of the 2nd quarter and never came back in (trust me I looked for him).

ckparrothead
01-17-2009, 09:07 PM
I was looking at college football stats a couple weeks ago and came across his name. Searched for some video, and man was I impressed. Every draft site had him going in the mid rounds, but I feel there's no way he lasts past the 2nd round. Would love to have him.

When I introduced myself to him Monday, this is exactly what I thought, except I personally believe he will not make it beyond the first round...unless this ankle injury is significant.

When I started reading up on him he was graded as a mid-Day 2 guy. The 4th or 5th round, something like that. His draft stock rose tremendously throughout the week because of his Shrine practices, and now he's graded around a 3rd rounder. But when I saw him he was a 4th or 5th rounder and I had to say flat out, this is a 1st rounder.

fullerboy1
01-17-2009, 11:07 PM
Hey CK! Its nice to have you back, we miss you here. Great write up and I will keep my eye on this guy.

Dtronic
01-17-2009, 11:09 PM
Thanks for the exellent spotlight (I love DT/DE's).

Glad to see your posts again.

josekareh
01-18-2009, 01:38 AM
Welcome back CK, I was wondering where you were... It's nice to hear from you!!

General Tso
01-18-2009, 01:59 AM
Great write up, as usual, CK.

Didn't know anything about Gilbert until today, but that dude does appear to be an athletic freak, especially for his size, with the on-field production to back it up. I would've said there's no way we'd take another DE/DT tweener on the first day of the draft this year... but this dude might just be the exception to that rule (if the ankle's ok ofcourse).

ckparrothead
01-18-2009, 03:46 AM
To me, he's a first round talent. And right now everyone's projecting him in the third round. Big disparity there and that's part of what makes him so attractive. But if he starts settling in at a first round grade, then we can calm down, he might be there at #25 but there could also be guys that are more worth it there as well.

ZachThomas76
01-18-2009, 08:53 PM
I want fluid, explosive athletes coming off the edge rushing the passer for the Phins. All due respect to Merling and Roth, but just dont see that description fitting their skill set or body type. They are bulls.

Kdawg954
01-20-2009, 06:37 AM
Ck, since we are on these 3-4 DE types . . . is Tyson Jackson a possiblity for the Fins. I know we just drafted Merling and Langford, and we have Starks and Holliday right now . . . but do u think its possible we add him if available at 25? Seems to fit 3-4 DE perfectly

Nuno
01-20-2009, 08:45 AM
Tyson Jackson is going to be a RDE in a 3-4. Holliday starts at RDE and Merling plays a'lot of snaps in a game there as well.

The only chance you have is if we cut Holliday and odds are we won't.

He does look the part of a 3-4 DE and a RDE at that.

Kdawg954
01-20-2009, 10:27 AM
Tyson Jackson is going to be a RDE in a 3-4. Holliday starts at RDE and Merling plays a'lot of snaps in a game there as well.

The only chance you have is if we cut Holliday and odds are we won't.

He does look the part of a 3-4 DE and a RDE at that.

I was thinking we cut Vonnie, but even if we didn't, this guy Gilbert would also be a 3-4 DE, and like CK said, u can never have enough of these guys, especially with the way Sparano loves to rotate his linemen. I guess dreaming about Merling as a SOLB and then having Jackson and Langford as the ends . . . that would be nice.

We rotated 4 guys this year at end . . . Langford, Holiday, Starks and Merling . . . moving Merling and cutting Holiday (I am just assuming they aren't 100% comfortable with his fit as they tried him at LB alot last offseason) . . . would open up a spot at DE.

ADavieDolphin
01-20-2009, 11:57 AM
he's 287? he'd be a sick DE, not NT..
we need a 330 lb'er for that like Ron Brace.
Or if your looking for a small school big body, Sammie Lee Hill is 6'5 340lbs

ckparrothead
01-20-2009, 11:59 AM
Ck, since we are on these 3-4 DE types . . . is Tyson Jackson a possiblity for the Fins. I know we just drafted Merling and Langford, and we have Starks and Holliday right now . . . but do u think its possible we add him if available at 25? Seems to fit 3-4 DE perfectly

Tyson Jackson is a possibility, as is Jarron Gilbert I would say, because Bill Parcells and Jeff Ireland always love those bigger DE/DT types with great athleticism and the more of them you have the better.

And also, Peter King, who is a notorious Bill Parcells mouthpiece, just came out with a small blurb saying that he could see Miami sending the #25 pick to Carolina for Julius Peppers, and pairing him up with Phil Merling.

He couldn't have been talking about 3-4 DE, because Peppers is notoriously unhappy when Carolina asks him to play such a role, and his agent has specifically said that Julius would prefer to play for a 3-4 team so that he can play OLB.

It's entirely possible that King, who is close with Parcells, just indicated where Parcells & Co. view Phil Merling's long term future.

Which, again, would explain why Merling played entire preseason games at OLB this year.

RUDEbyallMEANS
01-20-2009, 01:12 PM
That is the type of player Miami desperately needs. Miami right now is pretty well set at 3-4 DE, but Miami does not have a pass rushing 4-3 DT on passing downs which was evident against KC, NE and Arizona. A 3-4 NT, a pass rushing 4-3 DT and a 3-4 OLB is what Miami currently needs in the front 7.

JT-forpresident
01-20-2009, 01:58 PM
That is the type of player Miami desperately needs. Miami right now is pretty well set at 3-4 DE, but Miami does not have a pass rushing 4-3 DT on passing downs which was evident against KC, NE and Arizona. A 3-4 NT, a pass rushing 4-3 DT and a 3-4 OLB is what Miami currently needs in the front 7.

randy starks and vonnie hollyday are very capable 3 techniques in a 4-3 .. or what you call a pass rushing 4-3 DT

what we need is a clogger, a big, strong, mo'fo who can "mhandle" the NT position. Raji, brace and jerry are the hot names right now...

ckparrothead
01-20-2009, 02:09 PM
Peria Jerry, I don't care what his listing size is, he's nigh on unblockable when I've viewed him and that's one of the things you need to be as a Nose Tackle. In the words of Jason Ferguson, it's not about handling the double teams, it's about commanding them.

lbmclean_sj
01-20-2009, 02:11 PM
is he Richard Seymour?

ckparrothead
01-20-2009, 02:17 PM
is he Richard Seymour?

Jarron Gilbert? Well, no rookie is Richard Seymour. But, he has an excellent chance because he is VERY quick, VERY athletic, has a hell of a lot of strength for being a 287 pound guy (stronger legs than most 320 pounders), and the thing that sticks out to me is how well he uses his hands. If he's got a head for the game, the sky is the limit.

JT-forpresident
01-20-2009, 03:00 PM
Jarron Gilbert? Well, no rookie is Richard Seymour. But, he has an excellent chance because he is VERY quick, VERY athletic, has a hell of a lot of strength for being a 287 pound guy (stronger legs than most 320 pounders), and the thing that sticks out to me is how well he uses his hands. If he's got a head for the game, the sky is the limit.

i must admit that squatting 600+ and seeing how well he moves with his two bazookas is pretty impressive, not to mention his variety of moves

if i'm right, he's not at the senior bowl... that sucks.. i would've liked to see a little bit more of him going agains the top recruits

JT-forpresident
01-20-2009, 03:03 PM
Peria Jerry, I don't care what his listing size is, he's nigh on unblockable when I've viewed him and that's one of the things you need to be as a Nose Tackle. In the words of Jason Ferguson, it's not about handling the double teams, it's about commanding them.

yeah well i was talking about handling the job of the true NT ... but i couldn't agree more with you anyways

ckparrothead
01-20-2009, 04:36 PM
i must admit that squatting 600+ and seeing how well he moves with his two bazookas is pretty impressive, not to mention his variety of moves

if i'm right, he's not at the senior bowl... that sucks.. i would've liked to see a little bit more of him going agains the top recruits

I guess the thing that I had been underestimating a bit is in order to move up to the Senior Bowl, you have to get people cancelling...and there's a certain sense of you don't want too many kids that got a chance at Shrine Week to move up to the Senior Bowl because then that means some guy won't have had a chance to show his stuff anywhere...whether that be Shrine Week, the Senior Bowl, or whatever.

JT-forpresident
01-20-2009, 08:06 PM
I guess the thing that I had been underestimating a bit is in order to move up to the Senior Bowl, you have to get people cancelling...and there's a certain sense of you don't want too many kids that got a chance at Shrine Week to move up to the Senior Bowl because then that means some guy won't have had a chance to show his stuff anywhere...whether that be Shrine Week, the Senior Bowl, or whatever.

good point

TedSlimmJr
01-20-2009, 08:37 PM
Peria Jerry, I don't care what his listing size is, he's nigh on unblockable when I've viewed him and that's one of the things you need to be as a Nose Tackle. In the words of Jason Ferguson, it's not about handling the double teams, it's about commanding them.

Nose tackle is also about playing 2 gaps...being a plugger...which isn't Peria Jerry's forte..

Similar to Glen Dorsey...Jerry is best playing over the shoulder of the guard...being disruptive and getting penetration in the backfield...

Peria Jerry is the best defensive tackle in this draft IMO...but not a prospective nose tackle...

CJGoCanes
01-20-2009, 08:57 PM
CK, what do you think of Roy Miller out of Texas? 6'2" 300#, extremely strong, and a leader. I think he can be a late round NT worth developing

http://www.texassports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/miller_roy00.html

BTW, is UTexas the only school that has season highlight videos on their football website? It would be helpful if every school did that

ckparrothead
01-21-2009, 02:43 AM
CK, what do you think of Roy Miller out of Texas? 6'2" 300#, extremely strong, and a leader. I think he can be a late round NT worth developing

http://www.texassports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/miller_roy00.html

BTW, is UTexas the only school that has season highlight videos on their football website? It would be helpful if every school did that

I put him under the microscope pretty strongly during the Shrine Game. He wasn't terrible but he wasn't that provocative, either.

I liked Darryl Richard and Myron Prior, of course Jarron Gilbert.

dolfan1980
01-24-2009, 04:53 AM
Hey All... I went to SJSU and follow the Spartans. This guy is a beast!! As a die hard Dolphins fan I would welcome him. (Also was hoping Dwight Lowery ended up a Dolphin but we know what happened ther)

MrEd
01-24-2009, 08:21 AM
Ck, since we are on these 3-4 DE types . . . is Tyson Jackson a possiblity for the Fins. I know we just drafted Merling and Langford, and we have Starks and Holliday right now . . . but do u think its possible we add him if available at 25? Seems to fit 3-4 DE perfectly

And don't forget Rod WRight and Lionel Dotson. They apparently are in Sparano's plans too. There's got to be a reason for overstocking in DEs this season. He didn't want to lose Dotson or Wright to the practice squad possibility.

So something tells me that even if Holliday is cut/traded....we don't add any DEs. I actually expect to add a NT to the mix to replace Holliday's spot.

Merling is "not" an OLB. He is a 3-4 DE. Sorry, CK. Hey, welcome back though! Love your input. But I don't agree with you on this one...

Kdawg954
01-24-2009, 02:19 PM
And don't forget Rod WRight and Lionel Dotson. They apparently are in Sparano's plans too. There's got to be a reason for overstocking in DEs this season. He didn't want to lose Dotson or Wright to the practice squad possibility.

So something tells me that even if Holliday is cut/traded....we don't add any DEs. I actually expect to add a NT to the mix to replace Holliday's spot.

Merling is "not" an OLB. He is a 3-4 DE. Sorry, CK. Hey, welcome back though! Love your input. But I don't agree with you on this one...

U may be right, but I will give you this . . . NEVER underestimate this front office when it comes to a front 7 player for there 3-4 defense . . . if they really like a guy, they will get him, even if they are "straight" at the position.

CedarPhin
01-24-2009, 02:24 PM
Dick Tomey is a Defense guy, so you know if anyone comes out of his system, they're going to be ready to play. This Gilbert guy looks pretty promising.

ckparrothead
03-20-2009, 04:47 PM
Jarron Gilbert's workout at San Jose State. There were three dozen scouts there and Gilbert showed up 4 pounds less than he was at the Combine, ran faster and jumped better. He ran a 1.67 – 2.75 – 4.76 in the 10-20-40 splits, running into the wind. At the Combine he was 1.69 – 2.70 – 4.81. He jumped 37 inches versus his Combine jump of 35.5 inches. He jumped an incredible 10’7” broad jump versus his Combine jump of 9’11” (wow that’s a heck of an improvement). His shuttle was in the low 4.4’s versus a Combine shuttle of 4.58. His cone was 7.57 versus a Combine cone of 7.70. At 6’6” and 284 pounds. Remember, he had like 36.5 inch arms at the Combine and lifted 28 bench reps, too.

In a word, ridiculous.

Did I mention that Rex Ryan himself conducted Jarron’s workout session?

The defensive backs actually started running their workout in the background while Jarron was still doing his session work, and supposedly hardly any scouts cared. They were all pouring over every detail of Gilbert’s workout

lbmclean_sj
03-20-2009, 04:52 PM
I heard he jumped out of SF Bay

Nappy Roots
03-20-2009, 06:06 PM
Jarron Gilbert's workout at San Jose State. There were three dozen scouts there and Gilbert showed up 4 pounds less than he was at the Combine, ran faster and jumped better. He ran a 1.67 – 2.75 – 4.76 in the 10-20-40 splits, running into the wind. At the Combine he was 1.69 – 2.70 – 4.81. He jumped 37 inches versus his Combine jump of 35.5 inches. He jumped an incredible 10’7” broad jump versus his Combine jump of 9’11” (wow that’s a heck of an improvement). His shuttle was in the low 4.4’s versus a Combine shuttle of 4.58. His cone was 7.57 versus a Combine cone of 7.70. At 6’6” and 284 pounds. Remember, he had like 36.5 inch arms at the Combine and lifted 28 bench reps, too.

In a word, ridiculous.

Did I mention that Rex Ryan himself conducted Jarron’s workout session?

The defensive backs actually started running their workout in the background while Jarron was still doing his session work, and supposedly hardly any scouts cared. They were all pouring over every detail of Gilbert’s workout


man at that size and explosiveness, does he have the hips or lateral movement to play OLB? i know most are looking at him to play 3-4 End, and obviously thats very likely, but hes an amazing creature.

BillParFan
03-20-2009, 07:23 PM
:vaark:
I heard he jumped out of SF Bay
:lol:

JT-forpresident
03-20-2009, 11:28 PM
one of your best finds CK ... this kid is pictured in the definition of "freak" in my dictionnary

if he's available at 44 (which i HIGHLY doubt), we won't pass him up for sure...

cs2p
03-30-2009, 11:44 AM
I‚ve just watched the game vs Fresno State..

He was excellent in the first half, always at the QB`s face.. However, as the game went on, he was becoming less and less visible. There may be some stamina concerns about him? I can`t find other SJS games to be sure, so what do you all think?

ckparrothead
03-30-2009, 12:20 PM
I‚ve just watched the game vs Fresno State..

He was excellent in the first half, always at the QB`s face.. However, as the game went on, he was becoming less and less visible. There may be some stamina concerns about him? I can`t find other SJS games to be sure, so what do you all think?

Did you notice something about that game though? Not only did he play a handful of snaps at TE in that game, but he never came off the field for a single defensive snap.

I know that can seem like a minor thing, but it's really not. There are so many guys I watch tape of and it's really tough to project them at the next level because you see such an active rotation going on they're only on the field like 60 percent of the plays. Phil Merling was a good example of that.

I thought he maintained a good intensity level throughout the entire game against Fresno State, and I didn't notice too many instances in other games where I thought he looked tired in the fourth quarter.

cs2p
03-30-2009, 12:29 PM
Did you notice something about that game though? Not only did he play a handful of snaps at TE in that game, but he never came off the field for a single defensive snap.

I know that can seem like a minor thing, but it's really not. There are so many guys I watch tape of and it's really tough to project them at the next level because you see such an active rotation going on they're only on the field like 60 percent of the plays. Phil Merling was a good example of that.

I thought he maintained a good intensity level throughout the entire game against Fresno State, and I didn't notice too many instances in other games where I thought he looked tired in the fourth quarter.
Hey, thanks for the response.

Really, I haven`t seen him taking snaps at TE, but I haven`t payed much attention at that side of the ball anyways.

ckparrothead
03-30-2009, 02:13 PM
Hey, thanks for the response.

Really, I haven`t seen him taking snaps at TE, but I haven`t payed much attention at that side of the ball anyways.

He did. He was a blocking TE. Did a good job, too.

wildvillage519
03-30-2009, 11:41 PM
I think Gilbert is a better 3-4 DE prospect then Tyson Jackson from LSU yet evryone is saying Jackson is a shoe in for the 1st round. Gilbert is superior in comparison to Jackson in my opinion.

ckparrothead
03-30-2009, 11:46 PM
Physically yes. The one thing that he has that teams will covet above Gilbert though is the immediate ability to stop the run. Or maybe I shouldn't say the ABILITY because Gilbert has as much ability or more, but rather there's a lot more tape of Jackson playing in a style that teams can be sure translates to run stopping ability. Gilbert played with a MUCH more penetrating, pass rushing style...that leaves gaps for runners to run through. He will have to change the way he plays in order to play in a 3-4. That makes him more of a project.

In other words...Tyson Jackson is like a Kendall Langford clone while Jarron Gilbert is a superior version of Rodrique Wright.

FaithfulFinFan
03-31-2009, 07:07 AM
Jarron Gilbert's workout at San Jose State. There were three dozen scouts there and Gilbert showed up 4 pounds less than he was at the Combine, ran faster and jumped better. He ran a 1.67 – 2.75 – 4.76 in the 10-20-40 splits, running into the wind. At the Combine he was 1.69 – 2.70 – 4.81. He jumped 37 inches versus his Combine jump of 35.5 inches. He jumped an incredible 10’7” broad jump versus his Combine jump of 9’11” (wow that’s a heck of an improvement). His shuttle was in the low 4.4’s versus a Combine shuttle of 4.58. His cone was 7.57 versus a Combine cone of 7.70. At 6’6” and 284 pounds. Remember, he had like 36.5 inch arms at the Combine and lifted 28 bench reps, too.

In a word, ridiculous.

Did I mention that Rex Ryan himself conducted Jarron’s workout session?

The defensive backs actually started running their workout in the background while Jarron was still doing his session work, and supposedly hardly any scouts cared. They were all pouring over every detail of Gilbert’s workout

CK,

I think your assessment of Jarron is spot on! I love this kid. I think the Dolphins should take him at 25 or move down and try to pick him up late in the 1st round or early 2nd. The thing that impresses me is his strength and burst. The Fins NEED desperately someone who can put a lot of pressure on the QB. Having great CBs don't mean squat if your D line gives the QB all day to throw. I hope Parcells sticks to building from the trenches on out--because if he does I hope he takes Gibert. This guy is little known and comes from a small school who has been flying under the radar. He got better from his junior year to his senior year. He might be a real sleeper and perfect for a 3-4 defense like Miami's. I really wish the Fins can get him at lower than 25 because I hope they trade this pick for more picks. Hopefully others will fall allowing them to trade down. Keeping my fingers crossed.