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MrEd
01-18-2009, 09:35 PM
I was looking over the roster needs and tried to figure out why would Parcells be thinking about spending a pick on a 3rd string QB who is not looked at as more than just a Wildcat trick play player who would be more of a specialist WR/RB/QB type player than a fulltime QB?

Then I realized that the DOlphins kind of struggled in their KR/PR game and weened Tedd Ginn Jr away from the return game and more into the fulltime WR role and the fact that Bess pretty much sucked as his replacement.

Well, it would be brilliant if Parcells is thinking of using every roster spot for a useful player than just an injury insurance policy that will be inactive in most, if not all games, like John Beck was this season.

Beck was basically a waste of cap space/roster spot, if you look at it. Not that he cost a lot, but just that he was basically inactive the whole season. And he is not our future QB, nor are we grooming him to take over for Henne or to compete with him.

Pennington is our QB and Henne is our backup/future.

So what Parcells is thinking here is that we can trade Beck away for a late pick and use that roster spot that we used on an inactive 3rd string QB for a 3rd string QB who can be active and used on KR/PR duties....as well as provide a specialist to use in our Wildcat formation that will provide us with a better threat than Ronnie Brown was at QB there....and on top of that provide a 3rd string injury insurance policy at QB that John Beck was, except being actually a young guy that can be groomed while being a useful roster spot. I likes the idea. Pat White in round 4. :up:

3rdandinches
01-18-2009, 09:40 PM
I'll give you everything except the trading of Beck, if you can get anything then go for it but I don't see a 3rd stringer getting traded for anything. Drafting a kid solely for the Wildcat is really a dumb idea that someone has put out there. If P.White gets draft it will be purely because the FO thinks he can play WR and do other things to help aswell but a WR first and foremost.

ZachThomas76
01-18-2009, 09:42 PM
Id rather take Jeremy Maclin then, he fills a return and wr need.

Kdawg954
01-18-2009, 09:42 PM
I like the idea of Pat White, well maybe I'm just open to the idea . . . but I think u are completely wrong when u say its to groom a QB.

The staff spent alot of working hours with Beck and call me crazy, I think they are impressed with Beck and his dedication and maturity he has shown and I would be suprised if they didn't go into camp with him. I really would be suprised.

That being said, they can still find room for White in an active role. Even if it means only activating 2 TE's.

X-Pacolypse
01-18-2009, 09:45 PM
I'm open to drafting Pat White, but as some have already said. If the front office believes he can develop into a good WR, then it makes sense to take him. Taking him solely as a "Wildcat player" would be foolish.

Imperium
01-18-2009, 09:55 PM
It's an interesting idea, but in my mind it may come down to just how much White can contribute as a KR/PR since I don't believe he did any returning in college and is he a legitimate prospect at QB or is he one of those likely to be converted to WR/TE?

I'm not in favor of spending a relatively high draft pick on a wildcat specialist. I'd rather that pick go to improving a more immediate area of need like an OL that will make the wildcat less of a necessity.

I like what little I've seen of White but if he doesn't pan out as KR/PR can we afford to consistently keep him on the active roster just to run the wildcat?

ZachThomas76
01-18-2009, 09:57 PM
we dont need another midget wr.

houtz
01-18-2009, 10:08 PM
He looked real good in the bowl game. Pat White IMO could have a real shot at being a quarterback in the NFL. But most likely he's a WR.

Phins Rock
01-18-2009, 10:16 PM
The middle rounds are where a lot of good lineman and LBs go, which is what we'll be looking for come draft time.

No thank you, although it is a very interesting idea.

MrEd
01-18-2009, 10:19 PM
I like the idea of Pat White, well maybe I'm just open to the idea . . . but I think u are completely wrong when u say its to groom a QB.

The staff spent alot of working hours with Beck and call me crazy, I think they are impressed with Beck and his dedication and maturity he has shown and I would be suprised if they didn't go into camp with him. I really would be suprised.

That being said, they can still find room for White in an active role. Even if it means only activating 2 TE's.

No, I'm not saying to groom him as a future QB, but to groom as a specialist QB out of the WIldcat is what the report stated.

I'm adding that he can be being looked at as "also" being our KR/PR and backup to TEdd Ginn Jr as a speedster should Ginn get hurt. Injuries "are" a part of the game you know..

Valandui
01-18-2009, 10:25 PM
we dont need another midget wr.
Pat White is 6'1" and 192 lbs.

Clipse
01-18-2009, 10:47 PM
I can guarantee you Parcells doesn't have White in mind at all. Get over it for God's sake.

insomnia411
01-18-2009, 11:32 PM
If we continue to run the wildcat and advance the formation, Pat White would fill the role perfectly as the "point guard" of that offense. I'm sure he has much more value as a passer than Ronnie Brown does.
We could use White to run the wildcat, and also groom him as a wideout/return man.
4th 5th round, why not?

nwskan
01-18-2009, 11:39 PM
Why does everyone have a fetish for Pat White on this forum? Is there any actual shred of a hint that the FO has any interest in him? Like, you know, not a secret source someone heard about?

Also, using White as our 3rd QB doesn't free up a roster spot because the 3rd string QB is inactive and special rules apply to him coming into the game. If we were using White as a return man, he'd use one of the active roster slots.

Phins Rock
01-18-2009, 11:41 PM
What would even be the difference between having White to run the Wild Cat...and having him as the QB in general???

There is just no point in drafting him.

Valandui
01-18-2009, 11:55 PM
What would even be the difference between having White to run the Wild Cat...and having him as the QB in general???

There is just no point in drafting him.
We would be drafting him to play WR. He would be able to run the wildcat as well as play WR.

dolpns13
01-19-2009, 12:27 AM
we dont need another midget wr.

Not that it matters, cause the odds of us taking him are slim to none, but he is 6-2 190... He'd be the second biggest reciever on the team next to London

Dors156
01-19-2009, 12:32 AM
I'd like White as one of our draft picks. Would be very excited to bring him in.

TheBow305
01-19-2009, 02:45 AM
I agree with the whole post. I like where you're head's at! :)

If we can get White in the 4th, I'm all for it, but any sooner would be foolish though IMO.

Clipse
01-19-2009, 03:57 PM
We would be drafting him to play WR. He would be able to run the wildcat as well as play WR.
No, he would not be running the wildcat... Teams will know when they see see White coming onto the field, "Well here comes the wildcat" :rolleyes2:. There is a reason why we don't use special subs for the wildcat you know.....

Valandui
01-19-2009, 05:03 PM
No, he would not be running the wildcat... Teams will know when they see see White coming onto the field, "Well here comes the wildcat" :rolleyes2:. There is a reason why we don't use special subs for the wildcat you know.....
That's exactly what I am saying. He would primarily be a receiver who could also do things in the wildcat. If he lines up as a receiver he can easily switch up in an unbalanced formation, similar to how Ronnie does it, only it would be White taking the snap. His main value would be as a WR and/or return specialist.

ZachThomas76
01-19-2009, 09:22 PM
Not that it matters, cause the odds of us taking him are slim to none, but he is 6-2 190... He'd be the second biggest reciever on the team next to London

if Pat White is 6'2 190, Id be shocked. Theres no way that dude is 6'2. College teams frequently lie pretty blatantly about that stuff. just looked at the thread with the weigh ins. Pat White was 6 ft. no thanks.

Arsenal WV
01-20-2009, 06:58 AM
Pat White is atleast 6'1 atleast. I've talked to him before and im 6'0 and he looked a little taller than me

ticophin
01-20-2009, 11:21 AM
Hey, anytime Ronnie lines up behind Sateles butt, and Penny is out wide, they KNOW we are running the Cat, nevermind the subs, its a matter of drafting a highly effective player for that specific play....

ckparrothead
01-20-2009, 12:18 PM
This team doesn't need a luxury like Pat White. If our WRs unit was already well established and stocked, that's one thing. No pressure, he would be learning from good players, and he could make the conversion. But we don't have that. We have a bunch of young players that aren't elite level or anything close to it.

We need someone polished that can play and help us win ball games. One would like that person to have some size...but I'm not going to insist on it because when you do that, you end up picking a player not because he's good but just because he's big...and that rarely works out.

That said, I would be absolutely scouring Ramses Barden's work this week. And I would be scouring Kenny Britt's tape.

But, see...I also like Hakeem Nicks, Juaquin Iglesias, Mohammed Massaquoi, Jarett Dillard, Mike Thomas, Brandon Gibson, Brandon Tate and Brooks Foster...and those guys aren't necessarily "big". Some of them are downright small (Thomas, Dillard).

utahphinsfan
01-20-2009, 10:58 PM
Pat White is 6'1" and 192 lbs.

So? He's the same size maybe a bit bigger (in terms of weight) than Ginn?

utahphinsfan
01-20-2009, 11:02 PM
If we continue to run the wildcat and advance the formation, Pat White would fill the role perfectly as the "point guard" of that offense. I'm sure he has much more value as a passer than Ronnie Brown does.
We could use White to run the wildcat, and also groom him as a wideout/return man.
4th 5th round, why not?

White's mechanics are already better than Tebow's and if memory serves put up decent passing stats in WV's bowl game. Lastly, PW is 4-0 as a QB in Bowl games.