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MrEd
01-20-2009, 11:12 PM
We all know Mike Mayock is the most accurate Draft Expert out there. He always hits on players. He called Matt Ryan having the "it" factor that others doubted, but he kept with his guns...and he also called Chad Henne the 2nd best QB in the draft last April...he should hit on that too...

Now he just stated that Pat White has the "it" factor and is going to be "special".

He and Charles Davis mentioned that he will be the evolution, so to speak, of the Wildcat....and that he is going to be the Antwan Randel-El type of slot WR that will be perfect for those Wildcat teams.

And we already know that reports came out a few weeks ago that Parcells likes Pat White and is willing to take him in the 3rd round.

Also, they interviewed him and Pat White mentioned that he talked to some teams about the Wildcat when asked....

...1+1= "he spoke with Sparano/Ireland/Parcells"...:up:

Maybe we use the #57 pick on him to ensure we get him?

Of course, the #25 and #44 picks are reserved for NT and either LB or DB.

dlockz
01-20-2009, 11:15 PM
We all know Mike Mayock is the most accurate Draft Expert out there. He always hits on players. He called Matt Ryan having the "it" factor that others doubted, but he kept with his guns...and he also called Chad Henne the 2nd best QB in the draft last April...he should hit on that too...

Now he just stated that Pat White has the "it" factor and is going to be "special".

He and Charles Davis mentioned that he will be the evolution, so to speak, of the Wildcat....and that he is going to be the Antwan Randel-El type of slot WR that will be perfect for those Wildcat teams.

And we already know that reports came out a few weeks ago that Parcells likes Pat White and is willing to take him in the 3rd round.

Also, they interviewed him and Pat White mentioned that he talked to some teams about the Wildcat when asked....

...1+1= "he spoke with Sparano/Ireland/Parcells...:up:

Maybe we use the #57 pick on him to ensure we get him?

Of course, the #25 and #44 picks are reserved for NT and either LB or DB.


Ill pass on him at 57. why not draft a real wr and not a super project. Boldin had already shown he had the goods when he was drafted but White has never shown anything as a wide receiver.

MrEd
01-20-2009, 11:16 PM
Ill pass on him at 57. why not draft a real wr and not a super project. Boldin had already shown he had the goods when he was drafted but White has never shown anything as a wide receiver.

The #57 pick was just "me" talking...

Reports have come out that Parcells likes Pat White for the Wildcat and is willing to use a 3rd or 4th round pick on him if he's still available...

Vertical Limit
01-20-2009, 11:17 PM
If he's there in the 5th round then sure.

dlockz
01-20-2009, 11:19 PM
The #57 pick was just "me" talking...

Reports have come out that Parcells likes Pat White for the Wildcat and is willing to use a 3rd or 4th round pick on him if he's still available...


Well hopefully Ireland has differant ideas. Stupid to waste high draft picks on players to run the wildcat. Like I said just sign Michael Vick if thats the case or even Marcus Vick. We can go find Michael Bishop from Canada for almost nothing.

Nappy Roots
01-20-2009, 11:27 PM
Ill pass on him at 57. why not draft a real wr and not a super project. Boldin had already shown he had the goods when he was drafted but White has never shown anything as a wide receiver.



i dont understand what Boldin has to do with Pat White.

a ton of high school QBs switch to WR in college

dolfanmark
01-20-2009, 11:58 PM
The #57 pick was just "me" talking...

Reports have come out that Parcells likes Pat White for the Wildcat and is willing to use a 3rd or 4th round pick on him if he's still available...

Where did these reports come from? Because we know that Parcells is not stupid enough to announce his intentions in public.

Flip Tanneflop
01-21-2009, 12:01 AM
Well hopefully Ireland has differant ideas. Stupid to waste high draft picks on players to run the wildcat. Like I said just sign Michael Vick if thats the case or even Marcus Vick. We can go find Michael Bishop from Canada for almost nothing.

Youre lost again Dlockz. Because Mike Vick is a criminal and Pat White is a good person. Most importantly though, you may not realize this but, Pat White has more speed and playmaking ability than Mike Vick does.

Having Pat White play around 8 plays a game in various spots on the field out of the wildcat would be absolutely deadly. The guy would be good for 1 or 2 big plays a game, and thats worth every bit of a 2nd round pick. Realistically, the dude could be good for adding 4 pts a game avg. to our team.

Think about this. You could use White in the wildcat at Ronnie's current spot, Ricky's sweeping around the end, or at wide out. You could put White and Pennington on the field at the same time in that formation and have two guys capable of throwing it. Well more if you account for the fact that Ronnie or Ricky could throw it.

We could mix and match so many big time play makers with a ton of speed on the field at the same time, the defenses heads would spin trying to figure out what to do. White, Ricky, Ronnie, Cobbs, and Ginn. You could put any 3 of the 5 on the field with Pennington, or put 4 of those guys and take Pennington off. It would be sick. Ive been imagining the possibilities all week.

White would be a great pick for us. He could be very similar to what Kordell Stewart added to the Steelers in his rookie year as "slash", when they went to the Super Bowl. And White would have no problem taking the direct snap out of the wildcat and being given multiple options to choose from. He did it his whole college career.

He wouldnt be used as a primary WR, more of a playmaker who can be put in position to do a multitude of things. Mainly make the defenses in this league sick. Id use one of those 2nd rounders on him if I felt another team may take him before we pick again. Like I said, if he is good for 1 or 2 big plays a game while only being on the field for about 8, then thats a helluva value from a 2nd rounder.

MAdolfan
01-21-2009, 12:02 AM
Ive seen things saying the phins are interested but idk bout parcells. But if white is there in the 4th round he would be a perfect wildact, and maybe a decent receiver as well.

ala josh cribbs and brad smith.

dlockz
01-21-2009, 12:36 AM
i dont understand what Boldin has to do with Pat White.

a ton of high school QBs switch to WR in college


white played qb in college thats the differance

dlockz
01-21-2009, 12:40 AM
Youre lost again Dlockz. Because Mike Vick is a criminal and Pat White is a good person. Most importantly though, you may not realize this but, Pat White has more speed and playmaking ability than Mike Vick does.

Having Pat White play around 8 plays a game in various spots on the field out of the wildcat would be absolutely deadly. The guy would be good for 1 or 2 big plays a game, and thats worth every bit of a 2nd round pick. Realistically, the dude could be good for adding 4 pts a game avg. to our team.

Think about this. You could use White in the wildcat at Ronnie's current spot, Ricky's sweeping around the end, or at wide out. You could put White and Pennington on the field at the same time in that formation and have two guys capable of throwing it. Well more if you account for the fact that Ronnie or Ricky could throw it.

We could mix and match so many big time play makers with a ton of speed on the field at the same time, the defenses heads would spin trying to figure out what to do. White, Ricky, Ronnie, Cobbs, and Ginn. You could put any 3 of the 5 on the field with Pennington, or put 4 of those guys and take Pennington off. It would be sick. Ive been imagining the possibilities all week.

White would be a great pick for us. He could be very similar to what Kordell Stewart added to the Steelers in his rookie year as "slash", when they went to the Super Bowl. And White would have no problem taking the direct snap out of the wildcat and being given multiple options to choose from. He did it his whole college career.

He wouldnt be used as a primary WR, more of a playmaker who can be put in position to do a multitude of things. Mainly make the defenses in this league sick. Id use one of those 2nd rounders on him if I felt another team may take him before we pick again. Like I said, if he is good for 1 or 2 big plays a game while only being on the field for about 8, then thats a helluva value from a 2nd rounder.


white is not faster than vick by any means. white is not even close to vick in playmaking why do u think vick was drafted number one overall and white will be a huge question mark. vick is scum i was just making a point. please go back and watch vick in college and tell me white is a better playmaker. seriously i say screw the wildcat and use a qb in a solid offense instead of putting second rate throwers at qb

hooshoops
01-21-2009, 12:44 AM
pat white in the 4th or later i can see as a wildcat qb and maybe slot wr...but pat white in the 2nd???...heck no.

we just took our every down qb of the future late in the 2nd LAST YEAR UNDER THIS REGIME in henne. not a guy you plug in on a handful of plays under center and as a possible slot type wr who as of now no one knows if he can contribute as a wr.

put away the pat white fathead.

dlockz
01-21-2009, 12:49 AM
Pat White has never clocked below 4.45 but Vick has clocked in the 4.3 range.

SR 7
01-21-2009, 01:51 AM
Youre lost again Dlockz. Because Mike Vick is a criminal and Pat White is a good person. Most importantly though, you may not realize this but, Pat White has more speed and playmaking ability than Mike Vick does.

Having Pat White play around 8 plays a game in various spots on the field out of the wildcat would be absolutely deadly. The guy would be good for 1 or 2 big plays a game, and thats worth every bit of a 2nd round pick. Realistically, the dude could be good for adding 4 pts a game avg. to our team.

Think about this. You could use White in the wildcat at Ronnie's current spot, Ricky's sweeping around the end, or at wide out. You could put White and Pennington on the field at the same time in that formation and have two guys capable of throwing it. Well more if you account for the fact that Ronnie or Ricky could throw it.

We could mix and match so many big time play makers with a ton of speed on the field at the same time, the defenses heads would spin trying to figure out what to do. White, Ricky, Ronnie, Cobbs, and Ginn. You could put any 3 of the 5 on the field with Pennington, or put 4 of those guys and take Pennington off. It would be sick. Ive been imagining the possibilities all week.

White would be a great pick for us. He could be very similar to what Kordell Stewart added to the Steelers in his rookie year as "slash", when they went to the Super Bowl. And White would have no problem taking the direct snap out of the wildcat and being given multiple options to choose from. He did it his whole college career.

He wouldnt be used as a primary WR, more of a playmaker who can be put in position to do a multitude of things. Mainly make the defenses in this league sick. Id use one of those 2nd rounders on him if I felt another team may take him before we pick again. Like I said, if he is good for 1 or 2 big plays a game while only being on the field for about 8, then thats a helluva value from a 2nd rounder.

also the pass wehre RB missed the TE Haynos vs the Jets taht woudl have gone for a TD in that case white would complete it b/c he was a QB/IS a qb. Also hes far more explosive and quick and acc faster and faster adn elusive then RB so u get hte point loll. this wont allow them to stack the box so we wont need a power RB like R.B. running for 4 yards of pounding yards but since it can be maybe 6 guys n the box he can use his speed and be elusive.

3rdandinches
01-21-2009, 05:07 AM
We all know Mike Mayock is the most accurate Draft Expert out there. He always hits on players. He called Matt Ryan having the "it" factor that others doubted, but he kept with his guns...and he also called Chad Henne the 2nd best QB in the draft last April...he should hit on that too...

Now he just stated that Pat White has the "it" factor and is going to be "special".

He and Charles Davis mentioned that he will be the evolution, so to speak, of the Wildcat....and that he is going to be the Antwan Randel-El type of slot WR that will be perfect for those Wildcat teams.

And we already know that reports came out a few weeks ago that Parcells likes Pat White and is willing to take him in the 3rd round.

Also, they interviewed him and Pat White mentioned that he talked to some teams about the Wildcat when asked....

...1+1= "he spoke with Sparano/Ireland/Parcells"...:up:

Maybe we use the #57 pick on him to ensure we get him?

Of course, the #25 and #44 picks are reserved for NT and either LB or DB.


The same guy that said J.Long will struggle playing LT, that he'd struggle with speed rushers. The guy that is a pro bowler didn't struggle afterall!

I like Mayock but it doesn't mean he's 100% right all the time.

I absolutely hate the idea of drafting a player based on a package we use every once in awhile. If you find a diamond in the ruff in the later rounds great but there's no reason to use a 1st through 3rd pick on a guy unless you think he could start or at the very least is a starter in the very near future.

Kdawg954
01-21-2009, 05:41 AM
I'm sorry but this team can't afford to draft a PROJECT WR in the 2nd round, we don't have that luxury. One of the great things about the wildcat was the guys on the field made it work, U break the huddle and Ronnie is taking the snap . . . anytime White comes on the field, u know something is up . . . because realistically, I don't see him beating out any of the current WR's we have and as a 3rd string QB he can't enter the game as the QB.

The earliest I would look at Pat White is the 4th round and that is even too high for us IMO.

Kdawg954
01-21-2009, 05:42 AM
also the pass wehre RB missed the TE Haynos vs the Jets taht woudl have gone for a TD in that case white would complete it b/c he was a QB/IS a qb. Also hes far more explosive and quick and acc faster and faster adn elusive then RB so u get hte point loll. this wont allow them to stack the box so we wont need a power RB like R.B. running for 4 yards of pounding yards but since it can be maybe 6 guys n the box he can use his speed and be elusive.

But u don't think teams realize that he is a QB . . . after seeing Ronnie go up the middle soooo many times in the wildcat, they weren't expecting him to throw it . . . if White is back there they will defend that better and White isn't going up the middle in the Wildcat.

FINMAN13
01-21-2009, 06:16 AM
Pat White has never clocked below 4.45 but Vick has clocked in the 4.3 range.

lol...Vick was clocked running a 4.23...

Vick has done some horrific things...he will have a chance to get his life straight after his sentence.

Maybe football will be there again for him, maybe not...

But the only way Pat White could run past Vick is if, Vick had 2 dogs on each leg and they would not be humping his leg either.

Vick in a Wildcat...deadly for a team that knows how to run it. Vick's best passes came after he scrambled.

Right now I still would not sign Vick after he is released. Maybe if he truly gets his life in order and gets right with god over the dogs. But until he can show that has happened...I hope the NFL leaves him out in the cold.

But then again the NFL lets players drink and drive and get a slap on the wrist...time after time. They let men built for battle abuse women...time after time. It's a shame none of them ever hit a dog while driving drunk or beat a dog while acting like the lowest form of a human being.

Damn Pacman will have to kill 10 people and beat up Roger's old lady, before he will be kicked out for good. I would take a Vick in the league long before a Pacman. Vick did something that can never be fixed entirely. But he did more good for the charities and kids than most in the NFL during his time. Make no doubt about it...it was FREAKING SICK of him to do what he did for SPORT....SICK...SICK...SICK...SICK. I still feel the pain of hearing that HE was a ring leader in it. He has no understanding of what an animal is...but at least he treated people good and truly cared about helping poor families and kids. Half of the cowboys and some of their own ring of fame, have done more damage to humans...I cannot even type the hotel room overview from the cowboys probowlers actions...I would get kick out for a while from here...

Vick is a sick man...bottom line. We don't need him and the NFL does not need a lot of the sick *******s getting away with crimes vs. humans every other day. But chances are all of the above will be back in the NFL by 2010 season.

:(...Just think about what gets covered up by pro sports...:(

Nappy Roots
01-21-2009, 10:58 AM
white played qb in college thats the differance


.....and?

like i said, what does Boldin have to do with Pat White?

Flip Tanneflop
01-21-2009, 10:00 PM
white is not faster than vick by any means. white is not even close to vick in playmaking why do u think vick was drafted number one overall and white will be a huge question mark. vick is scum i was just making a point. please go back and watch vick in college and tell me white is a better playmaker. seriously i say screw the wildcat and use a qb in a solid offense instead of putting second rate throwers at qb

Dude, I dont have to go back and see anything. I went to every WVU vs. Va Tech game when Vick was in college, including the ones in Blacksburg. I also went to a couple of other Va Tech games in Blacksburg when Vick played. Ive been to a ton of games that Pat White has played and watched everyone I didnt go to. Im telling you, Pat White makes for a better playmaker than Vick in the NFL. Neither one is a real NFL QB, but as far as using a guy as a WR or multipurpose playmaker type guy, White is far superior.

But, you tell me. :rolleyes: I guess I should clean my loope after all that stuff I said about Matt Ryan being a natural only to see him turn out to be a total bust. Pat White wont be a better playmaker than Vick either. Im lost.

TedSlimmJr
01-21-2009, 10:26 PM
It says an awful lot about the senior class of QB's when the one that's projected as a WR is the best one there....

Pat White spins the ball better than any QB at the senior bowl...also has the strongest arm and best footwork...but he needs to shorten that hitch up a little bit...

I still think a position change is in White's future...

RaboGrande24
01-21-2009, 11:18 PM
Dude, I dont have to go back and see anything. I went to every WVU vs. Va Tech game when Vick was in college, including the ones in Blacksburg. I also went to a couple of other Va Tech games in Blacksburg when Vick played. Ive been to a ton of games that Pat White has played and watched everyone I didnt go to. Im telling you, Pat White makes for a better playmaker than Vick in the NFL. Neither one is a real NFL QB, but as far as using a guy as a WR or multipurpose playmaker type guy, White is far superior.

But, you tell me. :rolleyes: I guess I should clean my loope after all that stuff I said about Matt Ryan being a natural only to see him turn out to be a total bust. Pat White wont be a better playmaker than Vick either. Im lost.
You were so right about Ryan.Props on that. I myself argued with you on a few posts regarding Matt Ryan. Dude you were right about that but NO WAY is white a better playmaker than Vick. Vick should have PLAYMAKER on the back of his jersey. I like White in the 5th but no sooner

Kdawg954
01-22-2009, 12:59 AM
White a better playmaker than Vick? Let's see:

Vick is faster
Vick has the stronger arm
And honestly, Vick probably catches the ball better also (Marcus had great hands)
Vick is the better athlete

How on earth is White the better playmaker?

Vick not a real NFL QB? For years he CARRIED the Falcons to the playoffs. They finally started to draft WR's and they took time to develop and Matt Ryan reeped the benefit of having 2 WR's with 3+ years in the NFL drafted in the first round. Vick is not the ideal NFL QB, but he definitely was an NFL QB.

Vick is the definition of a "playmaker" in the NFL . . . he touches the ball on every snap and can do just about anything with the ball. If he wasn't such a dumb ***, he would be still doing the same right now.

MrEd
01-22-2009, 07:03 AM
The same guy that said J.Long will struggle playing LT, that he'd struggle with speed rushers. The guy that is a pro bowler didn't struggle afterall!

I like Mayock but it doesn't mean he's 100% right all the time.

I absolutely hate the idea of drafting a player based on a package we use every once in awhile. If you find a diamond in the ruff in the later rounds great but there's no reason to use a 1st through 3rd pick on a guy unless you think he could start or at the very least is a starter in the very near future.

Actually, Mayock said that Jake Long "will" be a Pro Bowl "RT" tackle but a "good" LT nonetheless. He's right. Jake Long "does" struggle with speed rushers, like Mayock said. Long gave up 4.5 sacks this season, you know.

But my point is his mock drafts are always the closest to what takes place. He also calls the players like Matt Ryan having the "it" factor, when other gurus were doubting...

Finally, Mayock wasn't the one who said that MIA will take Pat White in the 3rd round....Mayock just said Pat White has the "it" factor...

It was Parcells, according to reports, who stated that he really likes Pat White and is thinking of picking Pat White in the 3rd or 4th round....

MrEd
01-22-2009, 07:08 AM
Dude, I dont have to go back and see anything. I went to every WVU vs. Va Tech game when Vick was in college, including the ones in Blacksburg. I also went to a couple of other Va Tech games in Blacksburg when Vick played. Ive been to a ton of games that Pat White has played and watched everyone I didnt go to. Im telling you, Pat White makes for a better playmaker than Vick in the NFL. Neither one is a real NFL QB, but as far as using a guy as a WR or multipurpose playmaker type guy, White is far superior.

But, you tell me. :rolleyes: I guess I should clean my loope after all that stuff I said about Matt Ryan being a natural only to see him turn out to be a total bust. Pat White wont be a better playmaker than Vick either. Im lost.

Hey WV! What's up! Yup. It was me and you persecuted here last offseason telling them about how Matt Ryan had the "it" factor and was a franchise QB and how we wanted Ryan to be the pick. People here were riding the Chris Long/Vernon Ghoulston bandwagon...hard!

But, then we paid attention to reports and how we didn't have a LT and that there wouldn't be one at pick #32...we knew that although we wanted Ryan and knew he was going to be good....that we were likely to pick Jake Long. And poof! There you go...

So, now they are angry at the Pat White call. Well, poof! We'll see...:hi5: