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hooshoops
01-27-2009, 10:45 PM
#25- trade down or trade for peppers if not percy harvin wr/rb or duke robinson og

first 2nd rounder- sean smith/louis delmas/rashod johnson s

second 2nd rounder- cody brown olb/eric wood c/antoine caldwell c

3rd- keenan lewis cb

4th- tyronn greene og

5th- scott mckilop ilb

7th- sammie lee hill nt

7th- quinn johnson fb

these picks can and will most likely change after the combine.

cheyannefan
01-27-2009, 11:10 PM
While I do think that it is a major possibility that we will trade down (I hope it won't be too far maybe to #28-29), the only thing that I like of your options is Duke Robinson. I, like a lot of people on this board, think that we will go O-Line or Defense with the first pick. If someone happens to fall to #25, that we may not need or like for that matter, then trading down four or five spots would be nice. We could pick up an additional 2nd round pick and have an extreme possibilty of picking up Ron Brace as well as Macho in the 2nd round plus maybe a linebacker.

hooshoops
01-27-2009, 11:16 PM
my thoughts are once you get to around our pick in the first round you're essentially getting a 2nd round graded player. the exception being maybe duke robinson and percy harvin who i believe will carry first round grades.

thus i say either trade down which i'd prefer unless something no one expects drops or trade for a proven player like peppers to play olb. or take most likely duke robinson cause i think harvin will be off the board.

skipp2myloo13
01-28-2009, 09:26 AM
peppers is not fit for the 3-4. harvin pick is laughable. i doubt, but would love delmas at that spot. 2b do jasper brinkley-ilb, to replace crowder. dont go cb with 3-NT Ron Brace.

hooshoops
01-28-2009, 09:42 AM
peppers wants to go to a 3-4 team to play olb. don't underestimate this guy as an athlete.

harvin could be the playmaker this offense desperately needs and the one ted ginn is not. he could help out this wr core catching some passes out of the slot and backfield. a home run hitter in the mold of reggie bush in new orleans. this offense needs playmakers.

more likely harvin is gone by the time we pick anyways once he lights it up at the combine so then i if i can't trade down go with duke robinson og.

jasper brinkley at 2b imo is laughable. ron brace is a plugger nt nothing special.

phinfan33
01-28-2009, 10:12 AM
i've got no problems getting Duke Robinson with our #25 pick,and putting him next to Big Jake....can you imagine the holes he&Jake would open on the left side...or how nasty they'd be together...

jim1
01-28-2009, 10:16 AM
peppers is not fit for the 3-4. harvin pick is laughable. i doubt, but would love delmas at that spot. 2b do jasper brinkley-ilb, to replace crowder. dont go cb with 3-NT Ron Brace.

Most of the better mock draft guys have Harvin in the 15-20 range, yet you call that pick laughable. A supreme talent at a need position- that's what Harvin is.

RealDriscoll
01-28-2009, 10:24 AM
We sure do not need Percy Harvin/ We have a better version in him named Ted Ginn Jr. If we go receiver in Round 1 it must be Hakeem Nicks.

hooshoops
01-28-2009, 10:41 AM
We sure do not need Percy Harvin/ We have a better version in him named Ted Ginn Jr. If we go receiver in Round 1 it must be Hakeem Nicks.


ted ginn jr isn't a better version of anything.

skipp2myloo13
01-28-2009, 02:02 PM
ted ginn jr isn't a better version of anything.

Ted ginn has better speed and can actually last in the NFL, unlike Harvin who is tissue soft.

ArmyFin7
01-28-2009, 03:42 PM
YEAH! Lets get another midget speed reciever. Then we can draft pat white and run the option as well as the wildcat!

cheyannefan
01-28-2009, 06:43 PM
YEAH! Lets get another midget speed reciever. Then we can draft pat white and run the option as well as the wildcat!
Wow, that's not a bad idea!! Who will ever see that coming. No one will be able to stop the option. Or how about the triple option?
No, just joking before anyone thinks I'm serious.
I think the best option that was proposed by the thread starter would be Duke or trading down.

SamIam
01-28-2009, 06:56 PM
i've got no problems getting Duke Robinson with our #25 pick,and putting him next to Big Jake....can you imagine the holes he&Jake would open on the left side...or how nasty they'd be together...

that's what I have been saying for days, Duke will improve the Oline big time specially in the running game, Duke and Jake will form a nasty left side in our Oline

hooshoops
01-28-2009, 10:34 PM
harvin is probably more of a luxury pick for a team with better depth. but he's a 1st rounder.

sparano spoke specifically if his being underwhelmed with the way the ogs played this year especially after smiley and thomas went down. pretty good bet duke robinson is a very early target if available.

i still say trading down is the best option.

ckparrothead
01-29-2009, 10:47 AM
Peppers is going to command a monstrosity of a contract (bigger than Jared Allen's) in order to play a position he hasn't played.

That, IMO, is a lot of risk. Too much risk.

For that reason, I would pass on the idea. When you're getting into the idea of a MEGA contract (not just a big contract, not just a premium contract, but the biggest contract in the league) you need to iron out as much risk as possible from a character, stylistic, and physical standpoint. Having Julius Peppers play a position he's never played just adds heaping helpings of risk onto your plate and the problem is if he fails at it, you're hamstrung by the biggest contract of any defensive player in the NFL. You would then have to either switch to a 4-3 defense, which most of your players can't really play, or have him play 3-4 DE which he notoriously hates playing and probably will not play particularly well.

NashPhin
01-29-2009, 12:58 PM
Peppers is going to command a monstrosity of a contract (bigger than Jared Allen's) in order to play a position he hasn't played.

That, IMO, is a lot of risk. Too much risk.

For that reason, I would pass on the idea. When you're getting into the idea of a MEGA contract (not just a big contract, not just a premium contract, but the biggest contract in the league) you need to iron out as much risk as possible from a character, stylistic, and physical standpoint. Having Julius Peppers play a position he's never played just adds heaping helpings of risk onto your plate and the problem is if he fails at it, you're hamstrung by the biggest contract of any defensive player in the NFL. You would then have to either switch to a 4-3 defense, which most of your players can't really play, or have him play 3-4 DE which he notoriously hates playing and probably will not play particularly well.

I agree. Plus, when you look back at Parcells' and Ireland's track records, they have been able to find big bodies for the d-line and rush outside linebackers in the draft.

There is no need to pay a mega-contract to Peppers.

hooshoops
01-29-2009, 03:27 PM
no doubt. i think peppers and haynesworth have top 2 defenders in the league money coming their way.

i just for what i see grade wise being on the board at #25 would rather have peppers. b4 all the salary and cap ramifications which cannot be ignored.