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cyesae
01-28-2009, 11:59 PM
okay this list maybe a little shaky but dont hate correct me if i am wrong here it is...

2008-#1 Jake Long T
2006-#18 Bobby Carpenter LB
2005-#11 DeMarcus Ware OLB
2005-#20 Marcus Spears DE
2003-#5 Terrance Newman CB
1997-#8 James Farrior OLB
1996-#7 Terry Glenn WR
1995-#23 Ty Law CB
1994-#4 Willie McGinest OLB
1993-#1 Drew Bledsdoe QB

ZILLA
01-29-2009, 12:08 AM
so odds are we draft a olb or de conversion player

SR 7
01-29-2009, 12:20 AM
I say DJ Moore if hes on the board which i HIGHLY doube or Delmas which should be there will be our pick. If not, its OLB 110% loll

either way its a LB or CB haha

Ricky4Life
01-29-2009, 12:40 AM
Parcells loves his Linebackers.

phinfan33
01-29-2009, 12:56 AM
Parcells loves his Linebackers.
probably because he was a LB's coach early in his career,and never got that love for playmaking LBer's out of his system...

JT-forpresident
01-29-2009, 01:19 AM
I say DJ Moore if hes on the board which i HIGHLY doube or Delmas which should be there will be our pick. If not, its OLB 110% loll

either way its a LB or CB haha

i feel like delmas would be a reach at 25... yes, he's in the top 3 safeties, but remember that this year's crop of safeties is pretty weak.

there's a lot of offensive linemen and defensive linemen that will go in the first round (about 10 to 15), there are also some skill players at the WR, QB and RB position that will leave in the first round (about 10 of them) . there's also a good LB pool ( about 5).

IMO, there will be 1 safety at most that will be a first rounder.

The cornerback is another story though... i think at least 3 of them will go in the first round.

so now, if you're the dolphin staff, you ask yourself: at what position will the best players slide to 25 ?

because obviously, there will be a top prospect in one of those positions that will fall in our laps, and this staff has to identify who before they can think of resigning every free agent we've got. On a sidenote, that's why they are not in a hurry to resign any of our FA... because the draft process just started...

the way i see it, there either will be a very good RT, a very good CB or a very good LB/DE at 25... there will also have good to average safeties, good WRs and maybe a good DE (for a 3-4) in tyson jackson (RBs and QBs might slip but they are not worth mentionning in our case)

guess what, we have holes at all those positions on our roster...



right now, it's up to ireland to put the pieces of the puzzle in the right place:
- resign vernon carey, or draft a guy like jamon meredith and let him compete with Ndukwe for the RT spot ?

- Keep carey and:
- move Merling to OLB to compete with roth and draft a big guy like Tyson jackson to be our DE ? or a guy like jarron gilbert in a later round?
- Don't resign Bell and draft moore in the first round ?
- Don't resign goodman and draft a guy like alphonso smith or dj moore ?
- be cautious and draft delmas or R.Johnson in the first round to be your free safety, even though you know it's a reach ?
- resign a few guys in the secondary and draft a big DE with OLB potential in the mold of demarcus ware ... but really, are there any ?
- etc etc ...

obviously, what will be available in later rounds will also dictate how they will attack the draft...


here's a last food for thought... last year, the dolphins spent A LOT of money on the offensive line by drafting Jake Long and signing smiley... do they really want to tie up another 4 to 6 million per year on that unit ? I really don't know. The offensive line is gelling together, vernon had a good year and he's offering good versatility... on the other side, you can get younger/cheaper (and better ? :ponder: ) in the first round of the draft...


the vernon carey situation, IMO, is the one to monitor right now. Cameron wake changed our draft but now carey can have an even bigger impact, so it's really not as simple as " a LB or a CB"

Ricky4Life
01-29-2009, 01:22 AM
probably because he was a LB's coach early in his career,and never got that love for playmaking LBer's out of his system...

In my opinion one can never have to many great linebackers. :D

Nuno
01-29-2009, 04:05 AM
probably because he was a LB's coach early in his career,and never got that love for playmaking LBer's out of his system...

I heard he is gay as well:d-day:

Digital
01-29-2009, 07:37 AM
Virginia's Clint Sintim sounds like the logical choice. He's a big, fast, pass rushing 34 OLB who played at UVa under Parcells Protege' Al Groh. He is projected to go about the time we pick, and there aren't many other OLB's that meet the trifecta's preference regarding triangle numbers.

But, if James Laurinaitis is there, I must admit, I'll be quite pissed if we don't select him. I'm a UVa fan, so I know how good Sintim is, but Laurinaitis is one of those linebackers that define teams, like Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher. He'll be a fantastic player and an instant leader. If Crowder leaves (very possible), he'd also be a perfect fit in a position of need.

CedarPhin
01-29-2009, 09:31 AM
Sintim, DJ Moore, or Delmas

3rdandinches
01-29-2009, 09:44 AM
i feel like delmas would be a reach at 25... yes, he's in the top 3 safeties, but remember that this year's crop of safeties is pretty weak.

there's a lot of offensive linemen and defensive linemen that will go in the first round (about 10 to 15), there are also some skill players at the WR, QB and RB position that will leave in the first round (about 10 of them) . there's also a good LB pool ( about 5).

IMO, there will be 1 safety at most that will be a first rounder.

The cornerback is another story though... i think at least 3 of them will go in the first round.

so now, if you're the dolphin staff, you ask yourself: at what position will the best players slide to 25 ?

because obviously, there will be a top prospect in one of those positions that will fall in our laps, and this staff has to identify who before they can think of resigning every free agent we've got. On a sidenote, that's why they are not in a hurry to resign any of our FA... because the draft process just started...

the way i see it, there either will be a very good RT, a very good CB or a very good LB/DE at 25... there will also have good to average safeties, good WRs and maybe a good DE (for a 3-4) in tyson jackson (RBs and QBs might slip but they are not worth mentionning in our case)

guess what, we have holes at all those positions on our roster...



right now, it's up to ireland to put the pieces of the puzzle in the right place:
- resign vernon carey, or draft a guy like jamon meredith and let him compete with Ndukwe for the RT spot ?

- Keep carey and:
- move Merling to OLB to compete with roth and draft a big guy like Tyson jackson to be our DE ? or a guy like jarron gilbert in a later round?
- Don't resign Bell and draft moore in the first round ?
- Don't resign goodman and draft a guy like alphonso smith or dj moore ?
- be cautious and draft delmas or R.Johnson in the first round to be your free safety, even though you know it's a reach ?
- resign a few guys in the secondary and draft a big DE with OLB potential in the mold of demarcus ware ... but really, are there any ?
- etc etc ...

obviously, what will be available in later rounds will also dictate how they will attack the draft...


here's a last food for thought... last year, the dolphins spent A LOT of money on the offensive line by drafting Jake Long and signing smiley... do they really want to tie up another 4 to 6 million per year on that unit ? I really don't know. The offensive line is gelling together, vernon had a good year and he's offering good versatility... on the other side, you can get younger/cheaper (and better ? :ponder: ) in the first round of the draft...


the vernon carey situation, IMO, is the one to monitor right now. Cameron wake changed our draft but now carey can have an even bigger impact, so it's really not as simple as " a LB or a CB"


Your really putting alot of stock in these kids coming in and starting with no safety net. Why wouldn't you want to keep Goodman and bring in a young CB to compete and learn. The kid could take over when ready not just thrown in the fire when Goodman is pretty good, same with Bell.

Cameron Wake has only changed the fact that we now have a replacement for Porter further down the road. We still need to improve the other OLB spot, Roth is adequate but he needs competition to improve the impact of the position.

nyjunc
01-29-2009, 09:56 AM
okay this list maybe a little shaky but dont hate correct me if i am wrong here it is...

2008-#1 Jake Long T
2006-#18 Bobby Carpenter LB
2005-#11 DeMarcus Ware OLB
2005-#20 Marcus Spears DE
2003-#5 Terrance Newman CB
1997-#8 James Farrior OLB
1996-#7 Terry Glenn WR
1995-#23 Ty Law CB
1994-#4 Willie McGinest OLB
1993-#1 Drew Bledsdoe QB


1996 he didn't have draft power so he doesn't get credit for Glenn(he wanted Cedric Griffin) and in 1997 the Farrior pick LOOKS good but you have to take into consideration we had the #1 overall pick and dropped down, took Farrior(who underachived under BP and Groh) then flourished when he left.

JT-forpresident
01-29-2009, 12:24 PM
Your really putting alot of stock in these kids coming in and starting with no safety net. Why wouldn't you want to keep Goodman and bring in a young CB to compete and learn. The kid could take over when ready not just thrown in the fire when Goodman is pretty good, same with Bell.

Cameron Wake has only changed the fact that we now have a replacement for Porter further down the road. We still need to improve the other OLB spot, Roth is adequate but he needs competition to improve the impact of the position.

i was merely pointing out examples of possible roster moves

we already have joey thomas and jason allen to compete at the cb position... i know they're not as good as goodman ...


as for wake, he DID change the draft because now we've got to worry about the SOLB position... so we're looking for a completely new player.

if the staff considers moving merling to the SOLB position, the need is now at DE, where we have a capable hollyday, a one dimensional langford and a good player in randy starks. It's not enough to go through a season if you ask me, I wouldn't take a DE in the first round but if that scenario unfolds, i'd see the staff draft a DE between round 3 to 5

phinfan33
01-29-2009, 12:42 PM
In my opinion one can never have to many great linebackers. :D
and i wholeheartedly agree with your opinion. :up:

Valandui
01-29-2009, 12:48 PM
1996 he didn't have draft power so he doesn't get credit for Glenn(he wanted Cedric Griffin) and in 1997 the Farrior pick LOOKS good but you have to take into consideration we had the #1 overall pick and dropped down, took Farrior(who underachived under BP and Groh) then flourished when he left.
I agree, but the only reason Parcells traded out of that pick was because Peyton Manning decided not to come out as a junior.

nyjunc
01-29-2009, 12:51 PM
I agree, but the only reason Parcells traded out of that pick was because Peyton Manning decided not to come out as a junior.

He did have a chance at a franchise LT and he chose dropping down and getting more picks. The move turned out to be a poor one.

Run'n'gun Udown
01-29-2009, 01:51 PM
Hind-sight is 20/20. i'd say he's done, at the very least a solid job.

ssnjamerson
01-29-2009, 02:04 PM
I think Delmas is a big reach in the first round. If nothing else wait till next year and try for Myron Rolle or Mays. But if WIlliam Moore is gone in the 1st then wait and try for Sean Smith in the 2nd. If not then grab a Chip Vaughn in the 4th or Otis Wiley in the 5th. A Safety can be had later on or through FA. I dont see it as a high priority unless the right player is there

JT-forpresident
01-29-2009, 02:31 PM
I think Delmas is a big reach in the first round. If nothing else wait till next year and try for Myron Rolle or Mays. But if WIlliam Moore is gone in the 1st then wait and try for Sean Smith in the 2nd. If not then grab a Chip Vaughn in the 4th or Otis Wiley in the 5th. A Safety can be had later on or through FA. I dont see it as a high priority unless the right player is there

safety IS a big need, but like you said with the poor talent pool out there this year and the three solid safeties coming out next year (mays, berry, rolle), you can't draft a safety early simply because you need one

that's the biggest reason why i took rashad off my wish list for the first round ... and i'm starting to think we might not draft a safety in the first two rounds after all

sean smith really makes sense, because if they manage to get a berry or a mays next year, smith can make the transition to SS or maybe also to corner...

Valandui
01-29-2009, 02:58 PM
He did have a chance at a franchise LT and he chose dropping down and getting more picks. The move turned out to be a poor one.
Honestly, I think that's why he took Jake Long this year. Even he makes mistakes and learns from them.

123KID
01-29-2009, 03:26 PM
would jake long have been the best LT coming out this yr?

RealDriscoll
01-29-2009, 04:19 PM
Larry English.... That's who we NEED to draft

RealDriscoll
01-29-2009, 04:20 PM
Jake Long is better than any Left Tackle coming out

3rdandinches
01-29-2009, 05:23 PM
i was merely pointing out examples of possible roster moves

we already have joey thomas and jason allen to compete at the cb position... i know they're not as good as goodman ...


as for wake, he DID change the draft because now we've got to worry about the SOLB position... so we're looking for a completely new player.

if the staff considers moving merling to the SOLB position, the need is now at DE, where we have a capable hollyday, a one dimensional langford and a good player in randy starks. It's not enough to go through a season if you ask me, I wouldn't take a DE in the first round but if that scenario unfolds, i'd see the staff draft a DE between round 3 to 5


I understand their roster moves but why would you get rid of more talented players and keep ones that have struggled. We want to improve the overall talent on the team not just the starters, that's how Pitts, NE can let players walk without missing a beat, depth.

I really would have been surprised if we draft a WOLB anyways this year (just my opinion), I think Wake was a opportunity and BP jumped all over it, again because of overall depth. We've always had to worry about the SOLB because Roth is so one dimensional, Merling is a good idea but are you gonna pass up a L.English, C.Sintim or another pass rushing specialist hoping Merling can do it.

skipp2myloo13
01-29-2009, 05:41 PM
hahaha..... and some people think we will take Harvin or any other receiver for that matter... just stupid haha

JT-forpresident
01-29-2009, 05:54 PM
I understand their roster moves but why would you get rid of more talented players and keep ones that have struggled. We want to improve the overall talent on the team not just the starters, that's how Pitts, NE can let players walk without missing a beat, depth.

I really would have been surprised if we draft a WOLB anyways this year (just my opinion), I think Wake was a opportunity and BP jumped all over it, again because of overall depth. We've always had to worry about the SOLB because Roth is so one dimensional, Merling is a good idea but are you gonna pass up a L.English, C.Sintim or another pass rushing specialist hoping Merling can do it.

i wouldn't be surprised one bit by that move

and i also wouldn't bet against the possibility of signing goodman again, but where would we stand ?

-goodman, 31, average starter
-W allen, 31, good starter (slightly overrated)
-J allen, who cares, he's a bust
-Thomas, 28, has potential, that's it
-Jones, 26, same here

that's really an ugly DB unit. You might want to mix in the safety position that offers not a lot more.

we need a playmaker back there, and while i think the more important position in a 3-4 defensive backfield is the safety position, there will be better corners than safeties available at 25... also keep in mind that next year there will be 2 Elite safeties and a very good one in myron rolle who will come out ...

i was high on rashad johnson but i'm starting to lean more towards an alphonso smith who is a gamer with great confidence and ball skills...

but that's just my opinion...

2413fanphins
01-29-2009, 06:12 PM
looks like he's due to select a Corner or Wide REceiver!!!!!

jbrunne93
02-06-2009, 09:14 AM
we should shoot a lauranitis kiper has him going to the giants and he would be a good pick at 25 or manaluga

Asicswrg85
02-06-2009, 11:14 AM
We have had more Busted first round picks in the last 5 to 6 years that Bill has since 93 lol

utahphinsfan
02-11-2009, 03:43 PM
Virginia's Clint Sintim sounds like the logical choice. He's a big, fast, pass rushing 34 OLB who played at UVa under Parcells Protege' Al Groh. He is projected to go about the time we pick, and there aren't many other OLB's that meet the trifecta's preference regarding triangle numbers.

Last yr, I used similar rationale as I thought Chris Long would be the pick. Look how that turned out.

I'd be fine if Miami didn't get any more poison nuts from Columbus IMO. Anthony Gonzalez or Santonio Holmes recently would've been okay. Ireland & Sparano acquiring Boeckman in the 7th or as an UDFA would be tolerable. I'll hurl if they draft Laurinitis or Jenkins.

dougfinsfan72
02-12-2009, 08:57 AM
Our FIRST pick will be MLB from USC Rey Manaluga (sp?).

Simply put, we need a Zach Thomas/Ray Lewis type linebacker in the middle.

Manaluga is the closest thing to a stud linebacker apart from the kid from Georgia Tech who is supposed to go top 5 top 10.

TOUGHNESS is one of the things this new regime wants out of our Dolphins players and they probably don't get any tougher than Manaluga.

With our second pick we'll go best WR available on our board then we'll go with a CB, G,or R OT with our third pick.