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dolphinator86
02-04-2009, 11:25 AM
Now this is simply hypothetical i just have this feeling we will build our trenches and get some value with other positions later.

So would you be surprised if a draft like this occurred....

1st: Duke Robinson OG 6-5 335- Powerful and nasty and a great finisher. Great run blocker is great at the point of attack and uses his hands well. Inconsistent at times and work ethic is questionable but i think this regime can whip him into shape. He and Jake will dominate football for YEARS.

2nd A: Ron Brace NT 6-3 324- Stout against the run big and strong and has great instincts. Quick off the snap and a great tackler when it calls for it. Stays behind Fergie for a bit but becomes our NT of the future.

2nd B: Eric Wood G/C 6-4 309- Very good size and bulk...Excellent strength. Super tough and real physical. A finisher who plays with a nasty demeanor. Light on his feet with nice footwork. Can pull and get to the second level. Can be stiff at times and may have trouble with HUGE NT's but he will be going up against Brace in practice that should be worked out. Plus i think he will put on 10lbs b4 the season.


This does not reflect the draft i want because i believe that in the situation we are in i believe that we will have better options at each pick.

TedSlimmJr
02-04-2009, 11:33 AM
I'd be surprised that they reached on both 2nd round picks with much better talent still available...

Oraclepz
02-04-2009, 11:37 AM
all of those picks are a reach... robinson as of right now didnt impress me. Ron Brace is a one trick pony, Eric Wood has 1 or 2 centers ahead of him right now.

FinaticalOne
02-04-2009, 11:40 AM
Now this is simply hypothetical i just have this feeling we will build our trenches and get some value with other positions later.

So would you be surprised if a draft like this occurred....

1st: Duke Robinson OG 6-5 335- Powerful and nasty and a great finisher. Great run blocker is great at the point of attack and uses his hands well. Inconsistent at times and work ethic is questionable but i think this regime can whip him into shape. He and Jake will dominate football for YEARS.

2nd A: Ron Brace NT 6-3 324- Stout against the run big and strong and has great instincts. Quick off the snap and a great tackler when it calls for it. Stays behind Fergie for a bit but becomes our NT of the future.

2nd B: Eric Wood G/C 6-4 309- Very good size and bulk...Excellent strength. Super tough and real physical. A finisher who plays with a nasty demeanor. Light on his feet with nice footwork. Can pull and get to the second level. Can be stiff at times and may have trouble with HUGE NT's but he will be going up against Brace in practice that should be worked out. Plus i think he will put on 10lbs b4 the season.


That actully looks like the consensus. I'm started to lean in the direction of Robinson too, but I haven't made the decision to change my mock yet.

dolphinator86
02-04-2009, 11:41 AM
all of those picks are a reach... robinson as of right now didnt impress me. Ron Brace is a one trick pony, Eric Wood has 1 or 2 centers ahead of him right now.


Yeah Mack is a clear cut better center but Unger is on the same level IMO....Wood dominated Raji several times in the senior bowl game and Raji is widely regarded as the best and most dominating DT. With some weight added and a training camp our 2b is a deal considering he can play both guard and center.

dolphinator86
02-04-2009, 11:44 AM
That actully looks like the consensus. I'm started to lean in the direction of Robinson too, but I haven't made the decision to change my mock yet.

yeah his ONE bad game shouldnt outshine his body of work. i mean Jake was supposedly poor against the pass and would struggle against elite pass rushers.....WELL Pro bowl LT with wide praise from players and coaches seems like he is pretty good against everything to me.

Robinson is a run block first guy like LONG...which is what we want to do he is and will be a stud guard next to long for 10 years.

TedSlimmJr
02-04-2009, 11:45 AM
Yeah Mack is a clear cut better center but Unger is on the same level IMO....Wood dominated Raji several times in the senior bowl game and Raji is widely regarded as the best and most dominating DT. With some weight added and a training camp our 2b is a deal considering he can play both guard and center.

The North wasn't playing a 3 man front....Wood didn't have a nose tackle lined up directly over him....there's a significant difference there...

Caldwell proved the most capable of anchoring against dominating NT's in the one-on-one drills...

dolphinator86
02-04-2009, 11:48 AM
The North wasn't playing a 3 man front....Wood didn't have a nose tackle lined up directly over him....there's a significant difference there...

Caldwell proved the most capable of anchoring against dominating NT's in the one-on-one drills...

I personally dont take much off of one-on-one drills.....with free range for both it really isnt a good judge...i mean i could complete 80% of passes in a 7-7 drill....like im sure a freshman DE could run around some LT's in one-on-one drills.

Wood can play guard and center....either or i havent stapled him into a position

TedSlimmJr
02-04-2009, 11:54 AM
I personally dont take much off of one-on-one drills.....with free range for both it really isnt a good judge...i mean i could complete 80% of passes in a 7-7 drill....like im sure a freshman DE could run around some LT's in one-on-one drills.

Wood can play guard and center....either or i havent stapled him into a position

I understand...but those particular one-on-one drills were slanted towards the defensive lineman...they performed those drills for a reason...it wasn't just to kill time...

It allowed them to see which offensive lineman had the best technique...and which played with the best base to anchor...the offensive lineman weren't allowed to be aggressive..the defensive lineman was the aggressor...

Caldwell is the best pure "center" capable of handling the massive NT's that Miami faces...Wood is more of a utility or "swing" interior lineman...

dr.jake
02-04-2009, 12:00 PM
the duke was one of 3 outland finalists 2008 along with andre smith and oher so i'm just guessing the dude can play some football.link below
http://www.sportswriters.net/fwaa/news/2008/outland081124.html

TedSlimmJr
02-04-2009, 12:07 PM
the duke was one of 3 outland finalists 2008 along with andre smith and oher so i'm just guessing the dude can play some football.link below
http://www.sportswriters.net/fwaa/news/2008/outland081124.html


College awards are most definitely the way to determine if a player can cut it in the NFL...

Just ask Mike Hass (Belitnekoff Award Winner)

Jamar Fletcher (Thorpe Award Winner)

Eric Crouch (Heisman Trophy)...

phinfan33
02-04-2009, 12:19 PM
i'd be happy if those 3 were our first 3 picks...we have a new OL Coach who i'm sure will whip our OL into shape,and i just have a good feeling about Brace...so if those guys were our first 3 picks,i would not complain at all...

mroz
02-04-2009, 12:37 PM
I wouldn't mond Robonson though I would prefer a OT if we go OL there. I wouldn't touch Brace with a ten foot pole. I think he is a slow one dementional player that is getting way over hyped right now. As for wood, I have been one of his earliest supporters, but that was when I thought he would be on the board in the 3rd. If I had to take a "pure" center I would agree with Tedslim that Caldwell is a better choice. I like his upside at center better.

P_lock
02-04-2009, 12:41 PM
i'd be happy if those 3 were our first 3 picks...we have a new OL Coach who i'm sure will whip our OL into shape,and i just have a good feeling about Brace...so if those guys were our first 3 picks,i would not complain at all...

Seconded. Improving the trenches with talent and depth is never going to be a bad thing. That being said, I could definitely live with a draft like this, even if we did miss out on a solid bunch of players in other spots (S, LB, CB).

WelcomeBack
02-04-2009, 12:49 PM
I understand...but those particular one-on-one drills were slanted towards the defensive lineman...they performed those drills for a reason...it wasn't just to kill time...

It allowed them to see which offensive lineman had the best technique...and which played with the best base to anchor...the offensive lineman weren't allowed to be aggressive..the defensive lineman was the aggressor...

Caldwell is the best pure "center" capable of handling the massive NT's that Miami faces...Wood is more of a utility or "swing" interior lineman...

Very true. The whole 1-on-1 drills that people see at the senior bowl practices are leaned heavily towards the defensive linemen. No double teams to watch for. And the way Caldwell handled all moves thrown at him has shown me he is an amazing center with strength.

I'm personally not giving up on Satele, but if the front office feels that center is a need, Caldwell would be the best pick in my opinion.

dr.jake
02-04-2009, 12:57 PM
well as you no doubt know the outland covers both sides of the trench.I SUPPOSE you'd have passed on jake long,glenn dorsey or anthony collins at the #25 pick LAST YEAR.

TedSlimmJr
02-04-2009, 01:05 PM
well as you no doubt know the outland covers both sides of the trench.I SUPPOSE you'd have passed on jake long,glenn dorsey or anthony collins at the #25 pick LAST YEAR.

Of course not....but the Outland Trophy doesn't guarantee you're destined for anything...just ask Robert Gallery...

You assess players on how their skills project to the next level...not awards...

Duke Robinson is the best run blocking interior lineman in the draft IMO...but the Outland Trophy has absolutely nothing to do with how he'll turn out in the NFL...

3rdandinches
02-04-2009, 01:35 PM
I'd be surprised at that draft, I think the FO wants to improve the depth of the Oline not necessarily replace half the line. I could see a Center drafted earlier then people want pushing Satele to back up guard and Center which improves the depth right there. Then drafting an OT later on to develope behind carey and Long.

I certainly wouldn't have a problem with it but I would be surprised.

Digital
02-04-2009, 01:35 PM
I'd be happy with Wood at 2b, but disappointed at the other two. I just don't think Brace is an elite NT, so I'd rather roll the dice later in the draft. Robinson is a good prospect, but let's be honest here, he's not a LT nor is he a blindlingly good RT, so I don't see him being worth the pick at 25. There are a lot of good OL players in this draft and I'd rather spend our first rounder elsewhere.

phinfan33
02-04-2009, 02:13 PM
I'd be happy with Wood at 2b, but disappointed at the other two. I just don't think Brace is an elite NT, so I'd rather roll the dice later in the draft. Robinson is a good prospect, but let's be honest here, he's not a LT nor is he a blindlingly good RT, so I don't see him being worth the pick at 25. There are a lot of good OL players in this draft and I'd rather spend our first rounder elsewhere.
you put Duke Robinson at LG next to Jake and watch how nasty,mean,and dominant the left side of our OL becomes....i like that idea alot...

3rdandinches
02-04-2009, 02:22 PM
you put Duke Robinson at LG next to Jake and watch how nasty,mean,and dominant the left side of our OL becomes....i like that idea alot...

Can we hope that Mack would be available at our 2nd round pick to boot to push Satele to back-up?

RaboGrande24
02-04-2009, 03:41 PM
Ill pass on Brace but I wouldnt mind the other 2 picks. Id replace Brace with H. Nicks if not A. Allen from UGA

skipp2myloo13
02-04-2009, 05:19 PM
id rather give up that second for gabe watson NT, Zona. with Delmas/Robinson/Sintin/Cushings in the first and wood or caldwell in the 2b.

Avigatorx
02-04-2009, 07:17 PM
I could see a Center drafted earlier then people want pushing Satele to back up guard and Center


I'd guarantee that if we did draft Mack, Satele would be a starting guard. (Would certainly be nice to have him as our back-up center :))

Alot of Samson's issues stemmed from our weakness at guard this year. He is goodat cneter, make no bones about it. Could Mack be better? Alot of people think so.

But Satele would also make an amazing RG, and we need one badly.

#1dolphinsfan
02-04-2009, 07:22 PM
Id like a CB with our 2b pick

The Goat
02-04-2009, 10:01 PM
College awards are most definitely the way to determine if a player can cut it in the NFL...

Just ask Mike Hass (Belitnekoff Award Winner)

Jamar Fletcher (Thorpe Award Winner)

Eric Crouch (Heisman Trophy)...

Now why would you go there? Are you suggesting it's not probable or even possible that award winners WILL cut it in the NFL?

Just ask Calvin Johnson, Braylon Edwards, Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Bryant, Randy Moss, Terry Glenn, or Bobby Engram (Biletnikoff Award Winners)

X-Pacolypse
02-04-2009, 10:05 PM
The first two picks wouldn't surprise me, the third pick on the other hand, would be a bit of a surprise.

3rdandinches
02-04-2009, 11:02 PM
I'd guarantee that if we did draft Mack, Satele would be a starting guard. (Would certainly be nice to have him as our back-up center :))

Alot of Samson's issues stemmed from our weakness at guard this year. He is goodat cneter, make no bones about it. Could Mack be better? Alot of people think so.

But Satele would also make an amazing RG, and we need one badly.

If that's true then why didn't Satele go to Guard and stay there after A.Johnson was tried at Center. We needed all the help we could get at that point.

Satele will battle it out with Thomas if a Center is brought in. If he wins then the team is better for it because Thomas was a starter at the beginning of the year.

Avigatorx
02-06-2009, 03:28 PM
If that's true then why didn't Satele go to Guard and stay there after A.Johnson was tried at Center. We needed all the help we could get at that point.

Satele will battle it out with Thomas if a Center is brought in. If he wins then the team is better for it because Thomas was a starter at the beginning of the year.

Thats a good question:)

I'd imagine that the drop-off at center with Johnson in there was just too big, especially mid season.

Center has alot more learning involved and putting a new guy in there mid season would probably throw off the entire offense b/c of snap counts, blocking assignments, etc...

finfan54
02-08-2009, 09:43 AM
I wouldnt mind it, but I do think Caldwell is better at C. It all depends on what we do in FA. If we get Brown in FA, all C's are off the table to me. Eric Wood at G/C? Maybe. Not likely if that happens.

P_lock
02-08-2009, 12:59 PM
I wouldnt mind it, but I do think Caldwell is better at C. It all depends on what we do in FA. If we get Brown in FA, all C's are off the table to me. Eric Wood at G/C? Maybe. Not likely if that happens.

I don't know if C would be completely off the table if we got Brown. Sure we would have Satele at backup C/G, but with the amount of good C's coming out and the fact that it can give depth at C and G (with Smiley and Thomas both coming off injury, its a little more of a concern), it wouldn't surprise me if we did pick up one in the later rounds.
Though I have to say, if we got Brown, I'd be a lot more concerned with getting a backup T rather than a G.

NRA
02-09-2009, 05:17 PM
you dont spend a #1 pic on a guy with "inconsistant" and "questionable
work ethic" attached to him.

bad, bad drafting there.

we dont need another guy that the "regime has to whip into shape".

skipp2myloo13
02-09-2009, 06:07 PM
no,....just no

ssnjamerson
02-10-2009, 12:25 AM
Duke Robinson
Sean Smith
Max Unger/Wood

Would be a better draft for me
Or
Alex Mack
William Moore
Phil Loadholt/Herman Johnson

skipp2myloo13
02-10-2009, 07:52 AM
Duke Robinson
Sean Smith
Max Unger/Wood

Would be a better draft for me
Or
Alex Mack
William Moore
Phil Loadholt/Herman Johnson

willaim moore is a for ss, we dont need that. rashad johnson, delams, or even chung would be better fs