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jim1
03-09-2009, 05:59 PM
Clay Mathews
Darius Butler
Pat White

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php

playmaker1
03-09-2009, 06:09 PM
I like this mock

traptses
03-09-2009, 06:15 PM
Mathews is garbage. But I do really like the other 2 picks

playmaker1
03-09-2009, 06:27 PM
Why do you say that about Matthews. Did you happen to see him at the combine, or play any this season???

traptses
03-09-2009, 06:34 PM
yeah. I saw him play this season.

and..... this season.

One year of starting experience in college football isn't enough to sell me on a first round pick. And even in that one year, his play was above average at best.

paulomac77
03-09-2009, 06:37 PM
That mock would be a nightmare draft scenario, Patriots take Sintim at 23 and the Falcons take English at 24. Hopefully one of those two are still on the board because I don't want Matthews in the first.

Love the Darius Bulter pick

Pat White is an interesting pick, he could be a boom or bust in the wildcat but I dont think he'll go in the second round because not enough teams IMO will even consider him a first day pick. Especially since he hasn't worked out at WR yet.

I'd like this a whole lot more;
L. English or Sintim
C. Butler
P. White

playmaker1
03-09-2009, 06:47 PM
yeah. I saw him play this season.

and..... this season.

One year of starting experience in college football isn't enough to sell me on a first round pick. And even in that one year, his play was above average at best.

I would take someone with less games started from USC than someone who started 4 years at a small school/small program. Your talking about one of the best programs in the country, and he walked on! He would fit our 3-4 perfect.

traptses
03-09-2009, 06:50 PM
I would take someone with less games started from USC than someone who started 4 years at a small school/small program. Your talking about one of the best programs in the country, and he walked on! He would fit our 3-4 perfect.

What does the school have to do with anything? Judging by the last few years, USC prospects dont really live up to their hype

playmaker1
03-09-2009, 06:56 PM
I said School and Program, and I think it has a ton to do with a guy. Look at the coaching he had. Look at the guys he went up against every day in practice. Point is, he played on the best D in College. They crushed teams. Guys numbers were impressive. His combine was very impressive.

I your gonna call a guy garbage, at least back it up with more than only one year experience starting. There are guys who start 4 years at schools that wouldn't make the practice squad at USC.

traptses
03-09-2009, 07:19 PM
I said School and Program, and I think it has a ton to do with a guy. Look at the coaching he had. Look at the guys he went up against every day in practice. Point is, he played on the best D in College. They crushed teams. Guys numbers were impressive. His combine was very impressive.

I your gonna call a guy garbage, at least back it up with more than only one year experience starting. There are guys who start 4 years at schools that wouldn't make the practice squad at USC.

Well, you could say the same thing about Reggie Bush. Same coaching staff. Same guys going up against him in practice. What is he now? 3rd string on the Saints?

And how has Leinart done lately?

playmaker1
03-09-2009, 07:27 PM
You could say the same. I guess. You do know that Reggie and Leinart would be starting on a lot of teams in the NFL right now. It depends where you go and how they use you.

No one was saying Reggie or Leinart were garbage when they were coming out though.

Matthews has not done one thing wrong thus far to hurt his stock draft wise. If anything, he has done nothing but prove he belongs in the first round. He has done everything asked of him, and done it well. I don't see how you can call him garbage.

traptses
03-09-2009, 07:31 PM
ok, maybe I was a bit over the top by calling him garbage. But in my opinion, regardless of school, one year as starter isn't enough to convince me to spend a first rounder on someone.

playmaker1
03-09-2009, 07:45 PM
I understand. I'm from the west coast so I have to see USC play every flipping weekend. It is well known that the best team in the Pac 10 is USC, and the second best team is USC's practice squad. I'm not sure if you follow them too much, but they have guys who are 3rd and 4th string that would be absolute beasts if they had gone elsewhere. I never can figure out why except they know that if they get that one year to start, they are looking at an NFL career because of it. Flat out blows my mind. Think about it, there have been drafts where they had 6 D-line man go. So a guy who maybe plays half a game is getting drafted over a guy from another school that could have started 4 years in a row.

Why, because of coaching and who they are practicing against. I mean when a team has 6 or 7 starters from each side of the ball going in the draft every year it is just ridiculous.

My point is, his one year starting meant he was one of the best of the best. And the years he didn't start, he was working out against guys who are playing on Sundays right now.

The Dolphins would be lucky to get a guy with that kind of credentials, and that kind of a motor. I think OLB is one of our top needs. Tuna is always looking for a guy like that. I would be very happy with Matthews lining up opp of J.P. Who know, just my thoughts. Cheers buddy.

traptses
03-09-2009, 07:55 PM
Yeah. I get what you're saying. I do know that that USC is known for having great players. However, looking at Bush, Leinart, and Booty, they were all starters for atleast one season, and they haven't done much since then.

Now I'm not saying that Matthews won't be a good player, but it's just too much of a risk for me.

Although, I wouldn't mind him in the second round

RealDriscoll
03-09-2009, 07:56 PM
Clay Matthews is anything but garbage. You must be sharing the pipe

newlownorder
03-09-2009, 08:01 PM
I can't complain with that mock.

Valandui
03-09-2009, 08:16 PM
Pat White in the second? I hope not.

RealDriscoll
03-09-2009, 08:17 PM
Wozers that would be sweet. I think we are eyeing Buler with pick #25

Phinatic8u
03-09-2009, 08:35 PM
With Peria Jerry still on the board i would scoop him way before Matthews IMHOthe way that anderson played at the end and the siging of wake we are pretty good at OLB maybe one of the 2nd round picks but not first IMO

jim1
03-09-2009, 10:36 PM
Wozers that would be sweet. I think we are eyeing Buler with pick #25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s-oGumvPz0

dtjp17
03-09-2009, 10:51 PM
why does everyone want white hes a waste of a pick and frankly the wildcat is a dead offense its not producatbel anymore everyone knows hoe to defend it

MadDog 88
03-09-2009, 10:55 PM
I think Parcells will pick a NT over Pat White. Quite possibly Terrance Thomas. If White is around in the third, maybe.

MadDog 88
03-09-2009, 10:58 PM
why does everyone want white hes a waste of a pick and frankly the wildcat is a dead offense its not producatbel anymore everyone knows hoe to defend it
When you run the same play from that formation over and over it is easy to defend. When you add someone like White who can run or pass it opens a lot of options.

CrazyCarl
03-10-2009, 05:01 AM
Is it just me or would anyone else be pretty upset if we passed on Vontae Davis at 25?

Buff
03-10-2009, 07:08 AM
I don't want White before the third round. I siad some time ago that I wouldn't mind Tebow for the wildcat, but the way the FA has gone, I wouldn't want to waste a high draft pick on someone who would play occasionally in the wildcat. I'd rather draft if not a possible starter, then someone who can be come in and at least play nickel.

The more I think of it, the more we need a CB (DJ Moore or Sean Smith) with our 1st, a rushing LB/DE with our second (maybe Barwin if he is still there at 44) and a NT or WR with the 3rd.

FinaticalOne
03-10-2009, 09:00 AM
That mock would be a nightmare draft scenario, Patriots take Sintim at 23 and the Falcons take English at 24. Hopefully one of those two are still on the board because I don't want Matthews in the first.

Love the Darius Bulter pick

Pat White is an interesting pick, he could be a boom or bust in the wildcat but I dont think he'll go in the second round because not enough teams IMO will even consider him a first day pick. Especially since he hasn't worked out at WR yet.

I'd like this a whole lot more;
L. English or Sintim
C. Butler
P. White

That is a nice pick, but it would be hard for me to pick Clay Matthews over Vontae Davis in the first, especially since we have a gaping hole in our secondary.

I'm not in favor of drafting Pat White, but if we did; def. coordinators everywhere would have nightmares trying to figure out how to stop us. Pat White would make our offense more dynamic then we've ever seen. We could line up Ronnie to take the snap, while White is lined up as a wideout (this would take Pennington off the field). We could run the reverse, reverse pass (so many other options too). Or line up White in shotgun formation, defenses wouldn't know if its the wildcat or a regular formation. There is so much this offense could do if we draft White, it would be an entertaining offense to watch.

Dredd1050
03-10-2009, 09:17 AM
Matthews- Tweener with non-stop motor/poor in coverage. Don't they already have that in Roth?

3/4 of his notes are about his family. I hope the draft doesn't go down like this.

Phishpunk@WCU
03-10-2009, 09:25 AM
If we take Matthews with Vontae Davis, James Laurinaitis and Hakeem Nicks still available I will be pissed. I don't want the 3rd best LB at USC with our first round pick!

Pat White is a huge reach at 56 as well.

miamiballer
03-10-2009, 11:50 AM
1. clay matthews
2a. ron brace
2b. sean smith
3. louis murphy
4. gerald cadogan
5. antonio appleby

illscriptures
03-10-2009, 12:04 PM
Well, you could say the same thing about Reggie Bush. Same coaching staff. Same guys going up against him in practice. What is he now? 3rd string on the Saints?

And how has Leinart done lately?

I think he starts.:up: