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jim1
03-11-2009, 12:08 PM
The accepted myth around some NFL circles is that Bill Parcells long-ago planted a philosophy in former assistant Bill Belichick that the New England coach has harvested religiously in bringing great success to the Patriots.
Well, that is not exactly true and watching the Dolphins and Patriots play defense highlights that difference as one 3-4 (New England's) is a hybrid of the other, more traditional (Miami's) 3-4. More evidence of the difference can be found in the approach to the offseason -- this one specifically.

The Patriots had a great need in their secondary and pass-rush last season as they were failed by both on third down. New England was the worst NFL defense in the third-and-10-or-more situations last season, which only means they lost on the game's most important plays, the get-off-the-field plays, more than any other team. Terrible. With the 23rd pick in the first round and three picks in the second round, one would assume the Patriots would address this problem by picking up some pass-rush help and a cornerback or two. And they still might do that.

But in searching for cornerbacks the Patriots won't necessarily be banking on them being starters right away. The rookies might become starters, but if they aren't ready, Leigh Bodden and Shawn Springs are already on the roster to serve as a transition to the younger players.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2009/03/philosophy-differences-between-miami-ne.html

Rhody Phins Fan
03-11-2009, 12:40 PM
New England was the worst NFL defense in the third-and-10-or-more situations last season,[/B] which only means they lost on the game's most important plays, the get-off-the-field plays, more than any other team. Terrible.

Performances on 3rd down don't have much correlation from season to season so even without making any changes their defense was bound to get better just by regression to the mean.

3rdandinches
03-11-2009, 12:51 PM
The accepted myth around some NFL circles is that Bill Parcells long-ago planted a philosophy in former assistant Bill Belichick that the New England coach has harvested religiously in bringing great success to the Patriots.
Well, that is not exactly true and watching the Dolphins and Patriots play defense highlights that difference as one 3-4 (New England's) is a hybrid of the other, more traditional (Miami's) 3-4. More evidence of the difference can be found in the approach to the offseason -- this one specifically.

The Patriots had a great need in their secondary and pass-rush last season as they were failed by both on third down. New England was the worst NFL defense in the third-and-10-or-more situations last season, which only means they lost on the game's most important plays, the get-off-the-field plays, more than any other team. Terrible. With the 23rd pick in the first round and three picks in the second round, one would assume the Patriots would address this problem by picking up some pass-rush help and a cornerback or two. And they still might do that.

But in searching for cornerbacks the Patriots won't necessarily be banking on them being starters right away. The rookies might become starters, but if they aren't ready, Leigh Bodden and Shawn Springs are already on the roster to serve as a transition to the younger players.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2009/03/philosophy-differences-between-miami-ne.html


Actually the approach is very similar, the difference is NE is established with their core players and they place in cheap FA's to fill in the gaps. Now they also have a great advantage rigth now because players will sign with them for less to have a shot at winning the Superbowl. We do not have that opportunity with FA's, we would have had to pay alot more for Springs or Bodden. Once we get established as a constant threat we will get the same benefit, but until then fill ins are not neccesary at least in this FO's eyes.

jim1
03-11-2009, 12:58 PM
Performances on 3rd down don't have much correlation from season to season so even without making any changes their defense was bound to get better just by regression to the mean.

Well, if their coverage and pass rush continued to blow it might.

ckparrothead
03-11-2009, 01:26 PM
This analysis by Armando is what you get when you have tunnel vision and focus on one single isolated data point.

A year ago, the Patriots lost Asante Samuel and therefore lost a starting cornerback. What was their answer? They signed Fernando Bryant, who was pretty much a has-been at that point in his career, and Jason Webster, a never-was. Then they drafted Terrence Wheatley at the very end of the second round, and Jonathan Wilwhite in the fourth round.

I would not be surprised if by the time all is said and done, Miami has done EXACTLY the same thing.

jim1
03-11-2009, 02:43 PM
This analysis by Armando is what you get when you have tunnel vision and focus on one single isolated data point.

A year ago, the Patriots lost Asante Samuel and therefore lost a starting cornerback. What was their answer? They signed Fernando Bryant, who was pretty much a has-been at that point in his career, and Jason Webster, a never-was. Then they drafted Terrence Wheatley at the very end of the second round, and Jonathan Wilwhite in the fourth round.

I would not be surprised if by the time all is said and done, Miami has done EXACTLY the same thing.

Interesting point, but in your estimation why didn't we try hard enough to land Shawn Springs or Leigh Bodden? Why were they both values for NE but neither values for us? I liked Armando's article- I don't remember what CB's were out there last year and what NE was thinking. But they had a need this year and filled it. I have a hard time giving up on Jason Allen and I haven't- he's just too talented. But hot damn tamale Ahab, we sure could use a solid veteran CB.

p.s. Bonus points for anyone who can name or place the Ahab reference.

KingCsonka
03-11-2009, 02:57 PM
Mobey Dick.

We'll get our veteran CB after cuts are made by other teams. If you look hard enough there is always talent available. Why overpay now?

jim1
03-11-2009, 03:04 PM
Mobey Dick.

We'll get our veteran CB after cuts are made by other teams. If you look hard enough there is always talent available. Why overpay now?

Be more specific- it's not the actual book I'm referring to. No cigar.

KingCsonka
03-11-2009, 03:20 PM
Mobey Dick by Dread Zeppelin (Un-Led-Ed Album)

jim1
03-11-2009, 03:24 PM
Mobey Dick by Dread Zeppelin (Un-Led-Ed Album)

Absolute winner, cigar for you. I've read this damn book 22 times Charlie, and I still don't understand the thing.

KingCsonka
03-11-2009, 03:31 PM
Absolute winner, cigar for you. I've read this damn book 23 times Charlie, and I still don't understand it.

I haven't read it in years. I might dig it out and re-read it, it's a classic. I might even listen to a bit of Dread Zeppelin.

jim1
03-11-2009, 03:37 PM
I haven't read it in years. I might dig it out and re-read it, it's a classic. I might even listen to a bit of Dread Zeppelin.

When I'm in the mood for it they crack me up big time. Great concept they have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CO7FPU7a2g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOZ_Wya-lps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNSSpXapks0