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Rio
03-14-2009, 11:33 AM
as we close FreeAgency, our attention turns to the draft. At least one of the draft pundits (Scott Wright) has Miami @ Round 2, Pick 56 going with Pat White, QB/WR, West Virginia. :up:

I like this improbable, if not controversial choice. White would contribute immediately out of the WildCat as a hybrid QB/RB/WR, giving the team versatility while providing an immediate positive impact on our change-up offense. He could also work in as a WR. (slot?) the yards he'd gain after reception would warrant special prepartion by any defense we would face.I would really like to see this prediction come to fruition.

Pat White:up:

67Stang
03-14-2009, 12:00 PM
Um, no. We are no where near good enough and have to many holes to waiste a 2nd round pick on a gimmicky pick IMHO. We have too many needs in the trenches, at CB, and a legit #1 receiver to gamble with such a high draft pick.

Rio
03-14-2009, 12:11 PM
White would be no gimmicky pick".

He is a total package & premier football player. He would present a hybrid player that would have an immediate impact on the WildCat & a back up @ QB & RB, while legitimately competing in the WR stable.

How many holes or roles do you want to get with one DraftPick?

SF Dolphin Fan
03-14-2009, 12:30 PM
I like the pick, but 2nd round seems really high.

feelthepain
03-14-2009, 12:32 PM
white would present a hybrid player that would have an immediate impact on the WildCat & a back up @ QB & RB, while legitimately competing in the WR stable.

how many holes or roles do you want to get with one DraftPick?

The problem is, Miami isn't going to be running the wildcat more than maybe 4 or 5 times a game, if that. Miami only used the wildcat because they couldn't line up and run the ball from a conventional formation last year. With the additions to the Oline this off season and the return of D.Thomas and J.Smiley, Miami is going to be known as a run first style offense. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if we never see the wildcat in Miami again unless we struggle offensively.

Pat White has a lot of ability, but he won't be drafted here because we have specific plans for him to play in the wildcat formattion, imo. I think Miami likes his versatility and his athleticism and because of that I could see the Dolphins drafting him in the right situation, but I wouldn't think Maimi is in the market of a hybrid WR/QB, you need to consider he's not as big as Miami would like at the WO position either.

It also didn't help Pats stock that he didn't workout as a WR during his pro day. I think Pat can play QB, but can he play QB at the pro level? I think he would have been wise to at least show his ability at the WO position during his workout. If Miami thinks he can play at either WO or QB I won't lose sleep over drafting him as long as it's not earlier than the late second round.

NJL52
03-14-2009, 12:34 PM
He isn't NFL starter caliber at any position. You don't draft for back ups in the second round.

1 dol fan
03-14-2009, 12:36 PM
I say 3rd and down is appropriate. He is not a first day pick for the Miami Dolphins because that is where the talent is. The starters of the future are in the 1st and 2nd round. anything below that is usually hit or miss, with an emphasis on hit in the 3rd round. If a team finds a solid starter anything lower than 3rd, it is a huge bargain.

flynryan15
03-14-2009, 12:39 PM
Um, no. We are no where near good enough and have to many holes to waiste a 2nd round pick on a gimmicky pick IMHO. We have too many needs in the trenches, at CB, and a legit #1 receiver to gamble with such a high draft pick.

Being that my brother goes to WVU I have watched almost everyone of Pat Whites games. This kid is no gimmick he is the real deal! He has every tool to compete in the NFL as a QB or WR. Until last year he ran the spread Wildcat type offense and even tough they ran it last year he actually threw the ball a lot more. He crushed all of McNabbs Big East records.

He is a very intelligent kid, a tremendous athlete, but most importantly a great leader and never a problem off the field. You could see it go either way with Pat White, he could become a Randel El or if given the chance could give Henne a run for his money!

Matter of fact I would want him to have a shot to compete against Henne! This kid won some big games for WVU. He punched Georgia in the mouth in the Sugar Bowl! Then after Fraudriguez left for Michigan he went out and embarrassed poor Bob Stoops! BRING HIM IN LET HIM PLAY!!!

rev kev
03-14-2009, 12:40 PM
Better not happen first day..., or I'm pissed

flynryan15
03-14-2009, 12:51 PM
Better not happen first day..., or I'm pissed

Trust me it pains me to say this because then I have to listen to my little brother for LIFE. But drafting White in the 2nd is not a bad pick. Even if he only runs the wildcat 4-5 time a game, he brings a entire new demention to it that Ronnie doesn't. If they load up with 8 in the box like they started to do against us with White back there he can burn them deep.

I know a lot of you are big on Henne, but keep in mind he never won a big game at UM. He was 0-4 against Ohio State and 1-3 in bowl games only beating UF in the Capital One Bowl his senior year. He also gave up 19.75 sacks a year and is highly criticized for his lack of mobility. I for one don't believe the true QB of the future is on the roster and do see Pat White as adding fire power! This kid could easily throw for 7 tds and run for 5 out of the wildcat.

Rio
03-14-2009, 12:53 PM
Friend FeelThePain:
I respectfully & vehemently disagree with you about the WildCat (single wing formation)
1) it is essentially a running formation
2) extremely difficult to defend against when you begin to shift the balance of the offensive line @ the line of scrimmage, reversing the weak & strong sides of the wing. keeps a defense honest & on their toes & becomes miserable to go up against when you have the right personnel in place to run the system.
3) Sparano has openly stated he will approach the draft with the WildCat in mind & promised to continue with a more sophisticated single wing next season.
4) you can consider the single wing relative to the run, like deep routes in the passing game. sets things up & you have the potential to break a big one.
5) I called for the inclusion of the single wing for years in posts on other forums. I'd have to check but I probably brought the subject up on this forum too.Took major flack everywhere & every time I brought it up on a forum. I was right then & I'm right on this call now.
6) The Tuna came up with the 3-4 thirty years ago & has used it with great success everywhere he has called home. Now we have the next great innovation (old is new) in offensive play offered up by Coach Henne under the watchful & approving eye of the great innovator, Bill Parcells. The system is here to stay, as surely as the deep route in the passing game.

Pat White is taylor made to run the system, you could plug him in tomorrow & it would sail.

catapano
03-14-2009, 12:57 PM
Trust me it pains me to say this because then I have to listen to my little brother for LIFE. But drafting White in the 2nd is not a bad pick. Even if he only runs the wildcat 4-5 time a game, he brings a entire new demention to it that Ronnie doesn't. If they load up with 8 in the box like they started to do against us with White back there he can burn them deep.

I know a lot of you are big on Henne, but keep in mind he never won a big game at UM. He was 0-4 against Ohio State and 1-3 in bowl games only beating UF in the Capital One Bowl his senior year. He also gave up 19.75 sacks a year and is highly criticized for his lack of mobility. I for one don't believe the true QB of the future is on the roster and do see Pat White as adding fire power! This kid could easily throw for 7 tds and run for 5 out of the wildcat.easily huh? he should be the first pick of the draft then

feelthepain
03-14-2009, 01:40 PM
Friend FeelThePain:
I respectfully & vehemently disagree with you about the WildCat (single wing formation)
1) it is essentially a running formation
2) extremely difficult to defend against when you begin to shift the balance of the offensive line @ the line of scrimmage, reversing the weak & strong sides of the wing. keeps a defense honest & on their toes & becomes miserable to go up against when you have the right personnel in place to run the system.
3) Sparano has openly stated he will approach the draft with the WildCat in mind & promised to continue with a more sophisticated single wing next season.
4) you can consider the single wing relative to the run, like deep routes in the passing game. sets things up & you have the potential to break a big one.
5) I called for the inclusion of the single wing for years in posts on other forums. I'd have to check but I probably brought the subject up on this forum too.Took major flack everywhere & every time I brought it up on a forum. I was right then & I'm right on this call now.
6) The Tuna came up with the 3-4 thirty years ago & has used it with great success everywhere he has called home. Now we have the next great innovation (old is new) in offensive play offered up by Coach Henne under the watchful & approving eye of the great innovator, Bill Parcells. The system is here to stay, as surely as the deep route in the passing game.

Pat White is taylor made to run the system, you could plug him in tomorrow & it would sail.

It still doesn't change the fact that you'll be using the wildcat maybe 7% of your offensive plays per game. IMO Pat White is on Miami's radar, but not unless the perfect situation presents itself.

MrClean
03-14-2009, 01:42 PM
Friend FeelThePain:
I respectfully & vehemently disagree with you about the WildCat (single wing formation)
1) it is essentially a running formation
2) extremely difficult to defend against when you begin to shift the balance of the offensive line @ the line of scrimmage, reversing the weak & strong sides of the wing. keeps a defense honest & on their toes & becomes miserable to go up against when you have the right personnel in place to run the system.
3) Sparano has openly stated he will approach the draft with the WildCat in mind & promised to continue with a more sophisticated single wing next season.
4) you can consider the single wing relative to the run, like deep routes in the passing game. sets things up & you have the potential to break a big one.
5) I called for the inclusion of the single wing for years in posts on other forums. I'd have to check but I probably brought the subject up on this forum too.Took major flack everywhere & every time I brought it up on a forum. I was right then & I'm right on this call now.
6) The Tuna came up with the 3-4 thirty years ago & has used it with great success everywhere he has called home. Now we have the next great innovation (old is new) in offensive play offered up by Coach Henne under the watchful & approving eye of the great innovator, Bill Parcells. The system is here to stay, as surely as the deep route in the passing game.

Pat White is taylor made to run the system, you could plug him in tomorrow & it would sail.

Miami began running the 3-4 as a base formation in 1977. Parcells didn't become head coach of the Giants until 1983. The Giants adopted the 3-4 as a base formation in 1979. Parcells was hired as their DC that year for one season, so he likely was behind the Giants implementing it. He was still 2 years behind Miami though. He left to be the Pats' linebackers coach for 1 yr before returning to be the Giants DC/LB coach for 2 seasons before becoming the HC.
The Dolphins were the pioneers though of the 3-4 in the NFL, using it as a part time formation even before 1977 with a 4th LB, Bob Matheson, replacing DT Bob Heinz, in certain down and distance situations. It was called the 53 Defense, after Matheson's #53.

SpaceMountain16
03-14-2009, 01:43 PM
If we take Pat White in the second round i'm going to literally murder somebody.

twohype
03-14-2009, 01:49 PM
No Way - maybe in round 7

Elliott 1
03-14-2009, 02:11 PM
The thing is, if he isn't taken in the 2nd, it is highly unlikely that he is still there at the 87th or whatever our pick#.

Getting Pat White in the early third would require some kind of trade. Up from 87 or down from 56 so it isn't too big of a reach.

Maybe a player or players; Beck would be obsolete with the addition of White,maybe Roth or Satele, Ricky Williams.

TonySporanoTuna
03-14-2009, 03:13 PM
I want him. I think this needs to be in the draft forum though.

Lorenzo Rules
03-14-2009, 03:44 PM
I dont think we can get rid of beck so i cant see us drafting a qb this year. if we did then we could end up trading one of our current qbs but that doesnt seem wise to me.
we really need two wrs two olinemen and two defensive linemen in my opinion.

feelthepain
03-14-2009, 04:40 PM
I dont think we can get rid of beck so i cant see us drafting a qb this year. if we did then we could end up trading one of our current qbs but that doesnt seem wise to me.
we really need two wrs two olinemen and two defensive linemen in my opinion.

Why can't we get rid of Beck? If he can't play and has no potential, you simply release him. Maybe the FO likes the guy and thinks he has a future. It must be something cause you don't keep players who can't or won't contribute.

steveo style
03-14-2009, 05:03 PM
What a homer

67Stang
03-14-2009, 09:08 PM
The guy is an amaizing athlete, but he would be a gimmick player in the NFL. He is a jack of all trades master of none type you don't risk a 1st day pick on IMO.

CedarPhin
03-14-2009, 09:13 PM
He reminds me of Seneca Wallace.

Wallace went in the 4th round. If we were to spend a 3rd or 4th on him, I wouldn't be too annoyed, but I wouldn't want to see us spend a 2nd rounder on him, not when there are other positions we need to address.

Geforce
03-14-2009, 09:56 PM
The guy is an amaizing athlete, but he would be a gimmick player in the NFL. He is a jack of all trades master of none type you don't risk a 1st day pick on IMO.
People said similar things about Kordell Stewart and Antwaan Randle El when they came out of college and they were both 2nd round picks.

Geforce
03-14-2009, 09:57 PM
He reminds me of Seneca Wallace.

Wallace went in the 4th round. If we were to spend a 3rd or 4th on him, I wouldn't be too annoyed, but I wouldn't want to see us spend a 2nd rounder on him, not when there are other positions we need to address.
Are you saying we cannot find players for those positions in the other rounds? I mean Kendall Langford was a 3rd round pick and Donald Thomas was a 6th round pick.

BARF
03-15-2009, 12:12 AM
we need a real wr

uga3406
03-15-2009, 12:29 AM
There's no way we waste a 2nd round pick on White. Aint happeneing, sorry no way!

eric1317
03-15-2009, 12:33 AM
The problem with white is if we take him that high he has to be a 2nd round WR talant. In order to be part of the wild cat he has to be part of our base offense at WR. We use our base personal in the wild cat offense to try to catch our opponent off guard. If white only comes in for the wildcat it would not surprise our opponent at all and teams could easily game plan for it. I don't think white is a top 10 to 15 wr in this draft.

Finfang
03-15-2009, 12:36 AM
I love the fact that Pat White chose to be a QB first. He didn't run a single route at his Pro Day. Everyone was there to see him. Big arm small frame. He and his agent are trying to gain big value. Bad mistake. White's hand will be forced.

Guess what? He will be sitting there on the second day. :up:

Kaleta
04-28-2009, 01:13 AM
Why can't we get rid of Beck? If he can't play and has no potential, you simply release him. Maybe the FO likes the guy and thinks he has a future. It must be something cause you don't keep players who can't or won't contribute.

Truer words were never posted.